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It is fluffy don't believe the fearmongers. Yohan might not be a perfect human but he's not the worst. I think he's just normal just a bit obsessed with his love (▰˘◡˘▰)

While this is true to some extent, personally from my own pov I stiil think Carcel was in the wrong for sleeping with other women while knowing full well the only reason he did so was for Ines to pay attention to him. If the only thing he did was sleep around, then that from my own pov, wouldn't have been an issue, but the fact that he did it only for attention is what pmo. I mean damn, you can literally do anything else for attention why does it have it be cheating?

Sleeping around is not the issue, sleeping around while knowing full well the only reason you do so is to get your partner's attention is just dumb to me.

*why does hit have to be sleeping around?

true, my only answer to that would be that it'd be the most obvious and easiest answer to act out by sleeping around, what with everyone throwing themselves at him cause he's such a looker ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Actually true coz I guess he was also young and kinda immature during that time so that's what he resorted to ╥﹏╥.
But he still turned out to be one of the greenest flags(if not the greenest) in all of manhwa world, I love him sm(づ￣ ³￣)づ,,,,, thnx for the reply (≧∀≦)

Carcel initially slept with a girl because he was hurt by Ines’s rejection. He was a teenage boy who acted irresponsibly. Afterwards, Carcel moved on. He realized intuitively that Ines did not care about him. It’s the same way his mother told Ines quite frankly that Ines never cared about her son and Ines couldn’t refute this fact.Then Carcel went to the military academy and basically lived his life separate from Ines. Sleeping with others became about relieving stress and/or rebeling against authority. As the author of the novel points out, Carcel only slept with others when he visited Mendoza where the pressure of expectation from the imperial family and the existence of his indifferent ‘fiancée-in-name-only’ resided. In Calztela where he spent 9 months of the year, he lived a strictly mundane and celibate life.

In terms of modern concept of consent, Carcel is the only character in this novel who practiced full consent. The one time he did something without consent, Ines slapped him and he accepted the punishment willingly. Other than that one time, he is the only character who upholds and adheres to clear consent and those noble ladies were the ones to pursue him so they knew where they stood. Notice no woman whom he had any past dealing with ever appeared to create problems for him after marriage. Why is that? He kept strict boundaries with them. Instead, all the trouble that appears since he married stem from both of the men Ines dealt with in the past and has nothing to do with Carcel and his past.

thank you queen, love this XD

You said what i wanted to say so eloquently

While I do agree with all the points made, from my own pov, I found Carcel sleeping with other women just so he can get Ines' attention weird and wrong. However, I do understand that he was still immature and young at the time so it makes sense and is not that big of a deal. Honestly no one should care about him sleeping around before marriage since no official vows had been made, however what I'm questioning in particular here is not the act but the intention. One's response to being turned down shouldn't be sleeping around just for attention(to get over the person or to lessen the heartbreak however, is not an issue).I repeat I'm condemning the intention and not the act.

Tho I also feel like the issue is being inflated and pple are just overexaggerating, Carcel is still one of the best green flags rn and what he did is not even close to the shit these red flags put our fl's through ╥﹏╥ (Again I do not hate Carcel and I think he's one of the best characters rn so plz don't come for me).

Fair enough but I should also point out that the manhwa doesn’t even get inside of Carcel’s head so I can understand why manhwa readers dismiss his hurt as frivolous but are we being real? In modern times, there are teenagers who are hurt, get drunk and sleep with someone? In fact, it doesn’t even have to be a teenager. Adults do this too.

For me, personally, being a loser is just as bad. Why should anyone stay hung up on someone who doesn’t give a damn about them? That’s a loser right there. What readers who have a problem with Carcel living his life are suggesting is he cling to a girl who did not care even a tiny bit about him and basically waste 7 years of his youth begging for her love like a loser. What a waste of life. Meanwhile, she’s still hung up on her past with another man between the age of 16 to 20. Life is far too short to waste it pining for someone who doesn’t care about the rejected person. The engagement was always an agreement between the two families and something that Ines chose to keep for the expressed purpose of divorce. Otherwise, she would’ve undoubtedly gotten rid of Carcel because she didn’t care about him at all.

As I said, my main issue is not that he's sleeping around, its that he did most of it primarily for attention. Sleeping around to get over being rejected is not in any way an issue. Moreover I too agree that Carcel sticking around Ines while she kept on rejecting him would just be dumb and I fully support him seeking more for himself since his relationship with Ines at the time was going nowhere.

The primary reason was not only her rejection. The first time it was from her rejection then afterwards it became a relief from the stress of obligation from the imperial family and pressure of the engagement. Author even highlighted this fact in her questions and answers with fans. She also pointed out that fortunately for Carcel, the fact that he was estranged from Ines saved his life because Oscar no longer saw him as a threat. Notice as soon as the rumors recently spread to Mendoza that Carcel is crazy about his wife, the assassination attempts began. So, in a way, Carcel unwittingly protected his life that Ines took for granted would always be safe. Only now she found out that her careless choice meant a 6 year old boy was being physically abused and tormented.

i also kind of find it a bit weird, but only when the MC is drawn in a baby/chibi way during sex (￣∇￣")

LMAO yes i always think of freud, it’s like the electra complex but gay and its soo weird even in general. also the baby play feels like it’s infantilizing the mc, i mean it’s one thing to act like a baby but it’s another to role play it in bed… well to each their own lol

What are you blabbing about, he literally left Ian alone since and moved on with his life so how is he trouble to him? And what do you mean by he destroy Ian life. The wrong he did was trying to stop Ian from going which results to Ian's injury. He regretted it and Ian forgave him too so just STFU.

sorry love i couldn't be bothered to explain it myself but this comment made a good list of how tj sabotaged ian so he could stay with him:

MC's athlete career sabotaged, MC going to jail, MC going into debt. And so MC beimg stuck with the gang activities (which resulted in him becoming an addict amd getting raped).

ultimately its not all tjs fault obviously but anytime tj gets involved with stuff things go downhill im noticing. and honestly idc if ian forgave him, the man was in love and coping with his situation linked to tj, so just because he forgave him doesn't mean everything is justified.

i agree its not like he's bothered ian since he left, i only left that comment because as he gets more screen time i felt that in future chaps they will end up meeting again and things are going to get worse as they always do with tj and i wanted to voice my anxiety.

sorry for the yap, just wanted to make sure i made sense ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Ian was on or was doing drugs way before they even join the gang. It's an effect from his childhood cause by his Mom. TJ was the one who saved him. It's okay not to like TJ but stop making it looks like he's nothing important to Ian.

God you sound like a whiney bitch

You too bitch

Rite ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ .... Luv the story but m mostly here to c Wonnie... He is sooo cute ╥﹏╥