It's coming back on 31st of August. Finally my beloved
I have never had any issues with people shitting on seoin cz it's valid. Just because he was angry at yw and yw didn't explain things doesn't mean he had the right to be mean and cruel. That being said I find it hypocritical that y'all can't keep the same energy with Taegu when he's shown how weird he gets towards yw. Even when yw establishes clear boundaries this man acts ignorant. Y'all wanted him to be in love with yw but now that there are pedophilic implications to his feelings y'all change tune and says he just cares as a normal hyung would. Y'all are weird!!! One thing I've noticed with child abuse, abandonment and neglect overall is that their is always a strong desire to protect the image of the adult especially when the fuckery is not outright aggressive. It's quite literally fuck how the child feels because he's making an adult look bad. The way y'all conveniently ignore yw has been trying to keep a healthy distance from Taegu cz he knows how he feel, telling him to not show up to his place uninvited and unannounced and telling him to let him be and not interfere in his life is telling. This man needs to know his place and he's quite aware that he's been crossing boundaries shamelessly. Let's be for real the only way anything can happen between them ATP is if Taegu took advantage of yw in a vulnerable psychological state. And if that happens he would have proven the point of being a creepy old man who lets his lustrous feelings cloud his judgement instead of doing the right thing for once by yw. He ignored yw being abused and suffering PTSD from the abuse and the bullying incident. Yw will never love him for simply that. He refused to see the plight of yw when he needed it the most. The only redemption here is being a wholesome hyung and moving on from whatever disgusting feelings he holds.
Another thing this is just betrayal, like he positioned himself to be a "reliable" hyung for ten years now you just wanna fuck him. All of a sudden you are jealous seeing how he looks when he's in love with someone? Can't convince me this ain't bullshit. If he truly ever had filial/platonic affection for yw why would it change so suddenly?? Is it because yw is an adult now and he thinks it makes it less weird that he wants to fuck him?? These characters have a bad habit of disrespecting yw even from the calling him and idiot, that's why seoin smacking people is necessary cz yw would never do it even though he can(let's never forget bbes is a judo champion). I don't care if people think am reaching yw isn't an idiot for being a child in an abusive situation and not knowing what to do, he isn't an idiot for loving seoin and wanting him greedily especially when we know the feeling is mutual. Seoin was the first person to see his plight and not dismiss it. Even in his own shit situation he tried his best to protect him and even wanted to run away not for his own sake but yw's. Don't ever compare him to that old man who didn't do shit for a child in need when he could have.
I don't know why the Taegu fans are trying so hard to act like subtext doesn't exist in the story. We don't have to be told outright this man had feelings for a minor when he was in his mid twenties. It's in the subtext which is part of the narrative if you activate your comprehension skills. Instead of keeping his distance he waited for yw to be of age to start being weirdo that flashes his junk in yw's face. You won't be telling me that it was some family friendly gag. It's sexual harassment especially when you are fully aware the other person is not into that shit. Yw has a fatal character flaw of not checking mf playing in his face. I hope he improves on that and learns how to stand up for himself.
Anyway for me Taegu is a weirdo that needs to let go of yw especially now that yw doesn't work for him. It's clear yw has been trying to establish a healthy distance and Taegu just ignores it. I don't care for his feelings or whatever backstory cz he didn't even try to save a child from a shitty situation. Seoin isn't a saint but one thing that stays consistent with him is that he actually rides for yw even when it's a disadvantage to him. This grown ass man ignored a child being abused because of his disgusting feelings. No one will make me think great of him. Now he's just guilty which is too little too late. Yw will never love him!!!
Ps. I'm watching the new amazing world of gumball and I can't help but think that yw kinda looks like Darwin
hold tf on!!!!! i missed the flashing part wth
i knew he was a weirdo but i didn't think it was this bad ewww
In the early chapters a drink pours on his trousers and takes it off and quite literally has his crotch on yw's face. It was weird. In hindsight I should have seen this subplot coming
It’s the part when yeongwoon kicks taegu and taegu shows up at his place and pulls his pants down then proceeds to show his “injury” he got from yeongwoon. All the while his dick is right up in his face.
yeah he lwk weirded me out in the chapter when they were on the rooftop
Bro shut up no one is perfect but at least he is better than that blonde bitch
How is he better when he's a weirdo who harasses someone that doesn't want him??? He'll never be better for yw. Stay mad and bitter!!!
I don't think being into someone younger than you is any better lmao
Taegu is so jealous of seoin. It hurts knowing yw doesn't like old men who aren't pretty on top of that. He's jealous that it took seoin a few months to pull yw and lock him in while he had a ten year headstart and couldn't do shit
Exactly, he is so jealous of Seo-in, like sir please step back, you're like his family bro
I'm glad Taegu has some self awareness and actually realises how much of a hypocrite he is. The audacity to call out seoin when he did absolutely nothing when a child was being abused is just ridiculous. I don't give a flying fuck about his very heavily implied pedophilic feelings for yw. It's like he was waiting for yw to grow up to have a chance. He's even worse than those other "dating the kid I raised" people in these stories. I hope he really just let's yw go and not try to pursue shit romantically. For yw sake at least. Taegu is a pimp too so minus points there too.
Seoin slapping that little shit was so glorious. Haeyool has no respect or love for yw. He literally just wanted to own him cz yw is nice to him. He sees yw kindness as weakness. So what if yw wants to love and be fucked by seoin??? Back again to what I said that he just wants to own yw cz god forbid our baby has autonomy and actually pursues love with someone he has liked for a decade. It's yw's life not his. He has no right to determine what yw does with his life and ass. Haeyool has shown he is a danger to yw. He'll feel resentful for being smacked and hurt yw.
People need to stop praising yw for having a harem of questionable people. At this point in the story the only least questionable one is seoin. I don't like Taegu and haeyool calling yw sorry ass and idiot respectively. They act like yw being kind and wanting the love he's been yearning for ten years is a reason to think of him as less. Fuck them
Say it louder queen
You know when I called out taegus feelings as pedophilic months ago I was attacked at least he's admitting it himself now. Glad to know I was always right.
U were cause how can u, as a grown ass man (and not just any man but the freaking debt collector of this poor child’s dad and he quite literally ruined his life if my memory is correct ) develop some sort of feelings for him when he was a litteral minor that’s so fucking weird and people shipping them are just as weird sorry
Exactly my point. People ignoring how these loan sharks debt trap people and ruin households and contribute to domestic violence is beyond me. He quite literally participated in making yw's life hell even if indirectly. Yw tolerates him cz he is kind. Yw clearly wants space from this man but he literally shows up unannounced even when yw points out that he doesn't like it. Yet somehow he's the ideal man for ye. These people who shit this are disgusting weirdos.
I want bls like this but longer, horny and light-hearted. I'm tired of struggle love
I think comparing jjk to Dan is so disingenuous cz if jae has to be kind cz of similar backgrounds then why is Dan poor with nothing to show for his 30 years of life?? Dan too should have risen above the poverty and general adversity and make something great of himself that he can be proud of. But what is Dan, a coward, drunkard and habitual chainsmoker. And it's not hidden that he is ashamed of his life. It's why he admires jjk in the first place.His grandmother can't even die in peace, she raised him and tried to give him some semblance of stability but yet here we are. By y'all's logic that should be enough to make him a great man but really it's not. It's an unfair comparison really, I didn't even like writing that out loud. Y'alls binary way of thinking dismisses so many factors about how they got to be where they are. I don't think Dan is kind especially if he is so unkind to himself.
I see people say jjk had people but it seems like he left for Seoul quite early to pursue boxing seriously. We are not assured he was given emotional and mental support by the granny and ahjussi. What are the chances that he had to raise himself still even if he had boxing?? We have to wait and see. I get people hate jjk and that's why being dismissive of his upbringing is just an assured thing. I won't be doing that though cz I know trauma affects people differently. I have a soft spot for all traumatized people (doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable though).
Y'all act like Dan is peak human when he's been trying to off himself unconsciously. I would even say he hates himself that the so called kindness y'all admire is a mask to hide how broken he is. It's an unfortunate characteristic of people with suicidal ideation. He is tired of his life and I don't blame him when you can't ever truly express yourself when you've locked yourself in a cage where you are good to others but never to yourself. Jaekyungs shit treatment of him and rejection just asserted all those feelings of worthlessness he's carried around for as long as he can remember. It broke him to be discarded by the one person he has emotionally invested in beyond his grandma.
Any I might have went off track but I think the comparison thing oversimplifies the hard life both this people have lived through.
That's why Jaekyung called Kim Dan a BUM. He saw a pretty college graduate with a loving grandma with nothing to show for it but an alcohol and smoking problem and shit ton of dept
It's not even a lie cz where I come from you'd be shunned by society. Everyone will always wonder wtf are you doing for your life to be so shit when you already have the tools to do something for yourself. It's unfair tbh but I don't blame people for thinking like that . Also because of jjk soft spot for old people to him Dan is a shit grandson stressing his grandma and not even trying to do and be better for her
You quite literally put into words what I was thinking, I feel people always want to pick and choose only in surface level understanding, it’s honestly a waste for such well written characters to be only categorized as “good & bad”, these characters portray real human emotions, we ourself can’t be considered perfect, and even if this is “just” a story doesn’t mean their background isn’t as complicated, their actions and thoughts are a straight vein coming from their past, and it is unfair to compare such different upbringing, since they both suffered differently and processed that emotion differently, before “taking sides” let’s be more proactive and focus more on understanding each side. (Then again obviously, I’m not saying trauma is an excuse to treat other people badly but it the reason for the behavior)
Jaekyung is right to think that Dan is a shit grandson.
That old woman raised him with love and Kim Dan repaid her with a vice that landed her in the hospital
Exactly. Things don't have to be black and white. These characters emulate human beings, as you've said we aren't perfect and so are they. They fall short and should be held accountable but I don't believe in them being written off completely. I often take side but not on this I will not be doing that.
I think the backstory is important to understand jjk, because all he learned from his father was to be abusive to the people who are near him. A child thinks, that the parents love it and when the parents hit the child all the time it can create the thought, that hitting is a way to show that you like someone.
The story also show's that jjk slowly learns to love in a proper way. He tries to take care of Dan but he didn't lern this important part from his Parents. Dan had his Grandma who always protected him and loved him no matter what.
did y'all forget that it's implied in the beginning that his entire career was derailed by a creepy superior? like he was pretty much blacklisted from the industry.... yall have 0 empathy and zero concept of mental health. I get y'all are prob too young to understand the nuances of addiction and mental health but this is a terrible mindset to have towards others. And if y'all aren't even young then idk what to say other than goddam your parents failed you
This is such a fresh perspective and this is the type of conversations I wanna have and honestly see more of on here. I would also like to add that Dan had love and was taught kindness but he wasn't taught how to be confident and take up space in the world. Then you have jaekyung who took his place in the world with his fists and with lack of love and guidance beyond boxing he developed extreme apathy towards anything he didn't see as worthy of his attention or that that didn't serve his interests.
We didn't forget that but did you also forget his grandma tells jaekyung Dan's issues were there from the very beginning even before his job? You think all this just started cz of his shit superior? That man targeted Dan cz he saw how weak he was. Dan is so oblivious to himself as prey that attracts predators not only jae but the shit doctor, the loan sharks and even the guy that framed during jjk match. We can have empathy but he too needs to change how he moves in the world. Mental health awareness is not to shield you from struggle but to help one accommodate struggle and not just sit there to never fight back. Dan being weak is a character flaw that even if jae apologizes and holds himself accountable as long as he doesn't do better it will be the same cycle with another predator.
Why do y'all default to insulting people for having ideas that aren't similar to yours? You're weird for saying this over some fictional characters. You haven't expressed any nuances in your statement when all I've done is express the nuances from beginning. Anyway you can have empathy for Dan's situation and still want him to be better at least for himself. His life is shit and no one but him can change that.
It’s honestly ironic that you’re accusing others of lacking empathy while completely misinterpreting a conversation that is rooted in trying to understand complex trauma responses in both characters. No one here denied what Dan went through. In fact, that was the entire point: to avoid reducing him or Jaekyung to simple tropes of “villain” and “victim” without acknowledging the deep psychological damage both carry. This isn’t about defending one or vilifying the other. It’s about trying to comprehend how and why they became who they are.
Bringing up that Dan was blacklisted by a superior and essentially derailed professionally only reinforces the point being made: that people are shaped by sustained systems of harm and neglect. But here’s the thing. Recognizing where that pain comes from is not the same as excusing behavior. This is a distinction that keeps getting lost. The original comment and mine were centered around understanding characters like Dan and Jaekyung as layered individuals, not moral binaries.
The story, however controversial, is portraying trauma, shame, survival, addiction, and control in very human, very uncomfortable ways. And instead of asking why these characters act out in such self-destructive or damaging ways, the discussion often becomes about choosing a side. But this isn’t a football match. These are narrative tools designed to reflect the complexity of being broken and how people can hurt others while being deeply hurt themselves.
You said we “have no empathy,” but if anything, I’d argue empathy is exactly what we’re practicing. Empathy that includes uncomfortable truths, that allows us to hold two ideas at once: that Dan is a victim of a brutal system and poor mental health, and that he’s not just a passive, innocent martyr. That Jaekyung has power and has abused it, and that he likely has never known a healthy emotional framework either. It’s not one or the other.
Your tone, while claiming to defend mental health awareness, turned immediately to personal insult. Calling people too young to understand, or worse, suggesting their parents failed them. That’s not mental health advocacy. That’s deflection masked as righteousness. It’s also a textbook example of what happens when people become so fixated on their interpretation that they stop listening altogether.
If we can’t explore these characters beyond surface-level labels, what’s the point of storytelling at all? The beauty of fiction, even controversial fiction, is that it allows us to dissect the uncomfortable. To explore why people do what they do, and to reflect on it in ways that mirror real life. That’s exactly what was happening here. A conversation not about condoning, but understanding. It’s disappointing that rather than engage with that, you chose to accuse others of lacking empathy while demonstrating none yourself.
At the end of the day, we’re analyzing fictional people through the lens of real-world trauma psychology, not trying to “win” an argument. I truly hope you can reread what was said with a more open mind and recognize that, because throwing around accusations and shutting people down for having a different perspective isn’t the progressive take you think it is.
Thank you so much for this. I don't know why people have such a hard time that some of us want to understand the characters beyond superficial labels. Red-green flag discourse has really fucked bl readership because god forbid people want to explore the characters ideation deeply. You have expressed my thoughts on this so beautifully and so precisely. Thanks
I’m really glad it resonated with you. Your original comment honestly put into words something that’s been sitting heavy with me for a while. There’s this constant rush to label things as good or bad, red flag green flag, like that’s the only framework we’re allowed to use. But stories like this are meant to be messy. That discomfort? That gray area? That’s where the actual meaning lives.
It frustrates me how often empathy gets mistaken for blind approval. Trying to understand someone’s pain or inner world doesn’t mean we’re excusing their actions. It just means we’re willing to look deeper and acknowledge that not everyone processes trauma the same way. There’s value in that. And honestly, it takes a lot more care and effort to hold that kind of space for complexity.
So seriously, thank YOU for putting that into words first. It’s so refreshing to see people still engaging with nuance and not just parroting hot takes. It makes me feel like there’s still hope for meaningful conversations in the BL community
Apply this logic to Jaekyung too since he suffered more than Kim Dan. Show Jaekyung empathy and recognize that Jaekyung's mental health is also in shambles.
I'm going to piss y'all off but this chapter isn't about Dan and his feelings. It's not how jjk should change for Dan and even be kinder to Dan. The way we all experience life is different same goes for fictional characters. Just cz they grew up in similar situations doesn't mean their outcome will be the same. This is why pop psychology is so dangerous bcz of it's often deductive nature. The backstory is for us to further understand the man jaekyung and his fuckery overall. Once again it's not about Dan and what Dan deserves. It's for us to see and understand jjk beyond his sex life(it's not romance yet to me). Y'all want to center Dan so much when this part of the story isn't even about him. We get it you hate jjk and love Dan but y'all are annoying trying to shit on people's enjoyment of the progress we are getting. I don't know why y'all want jaekyung to be so obsessed with Dan that every part of his character should be about grovelling for Dan. Unless y'all want Dan to be manipulated let jjk deal with his shit and have some introspect before we get some accountability.
I don't believe this backstory is to justify his behaviour but it sure ash explains it. Don't be swayed tho, we can empathize and still not fuck with his fuck ass behaviour. I don't know why this is so common in manhwa where a parent dips and leaves the kid with the someone they know is an abuser. I hope his mom doesn't come back. I hope she stays away forever, shit I hope she's dead tbh. As for his nasty dad I hope he beat the shit out of him with his new found power. The man had a child in biologically hazardous environment on top of the abuse. He was probably injecting himself with jaekyung present. We finally understand why he doesn't care for anything more than boxing. We also get to see why he has such love-hate feelings towards Dan. Poor Dan unintentionally triggers him. I'm not saying jaekyung ain't a dickhead but we finally see why one moment he wants to save Dan and the other he quite literally hates his existence for lack of a better description. Anyway I'm here for it. I want to know more and I hope we finally see where the fuck ass jinx came from its about time the story is named after it.
Taeha need to stop just doing chest and skipping leg day. his face and chest give then I see his legs and I feel like ripping out my pussy hairs. Some walking lunges, barbell squats and hip thrusts would do wonders. Calf raises too.
Anyway another great chapter. I love when they pine for each other and are mutually greedy for each gimme 20 more of those
Clearly you didnt see his big GINIMANISAUROUS A$$ in the second time they FREAKED. His legs are JUICY AF IN THAT WYM!!???!!
The should be juicy too in them trousers.