I'm confusing the liquid to the vein or is it vein to the liquid???? Either way I just wanna say the thing is THICC
Yes I call her b*tch, & no matter what happens b*tch is the word that I will use 2 address her
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Idk why, I really don't know why people kept hating this manwha, ugh can't they just stop?!?!..... Are people reading this a newbie in yaoi? I think they are, this isn't even an abusive one & they keep hating this manhwa and saying rude stuff.....Sungyeon did that at first, but we can see that after that happened he did really care for hosik and prove himself in the end( well it is their opinion but at least respect the authors work, can't they do that? )....
For real. Their criticism towards the manhwa, particularly at the Sunbae, is so exaggerated. Like if I didn't read the manhwa myself and just read the comments alone, I would really think that this was very fucked up manhwa, which is far from the truth. I have never seen so much dedication to hate/bash/criticize a character ever. The way some people here vehemently condemn the Sunbae's actions honestly feels a bit conceited.
Honestly at this point, I really think hating the Sunbae here is just a bandwagon. (I mean the criticisms is either repetitive or exaggerated)
Like let's be real here, there are other mangas/manhwas where the character has far worse behavior than the Sunbae here and yet they don't get the same amount of bashing/criticism as the Sunbae here. Like the Sunbae here is just really possessive but they make him sound like the most manipulative rapist ever. Also, again with the rape thing, did anyone purposely turned a blind eye on Chapter 53-54?
Ikr some people are just amateurs in this kind of stuff, they keep saying his a rapist and stuff, did they not read other manhua, manwha & manga at all? It seems like it's the first they've seen stuff like this the rape thing that they refer to which isn't really that big of a deal tbh( they keep saying they pity hosik and if they were in that situation they won't even give a damn about sunbae's kindness ) , are they dumb or what? Did they not understand the story at all after reading it?..... Some people are just clueless and new to this manhwa when they read the comments saying bad stuff about this manwha I feel pity for the author since there would be less readers even though the story is good and heartwarming, I agree he is possessive but his not like other seme that hurts the uke, even though his like that he is very caring to both the uke and his children..... It's true they are being exaggerated about sunbae's behavior I kinda just feel angry when I see those hate comments about it, I'm just thinking here are they dumb or what? For those people who are just in the beginning reading they stop because of those hate comments, all stories have their ups and downs it just happened that the down was at the beginning and they stop because they listen to those hate comments, tbh I feel like this manwha is underated despite having 9.3 reviews because there are manwha that is worst than this rated higher than you would expect..... Well I just wanna say I'm glad that someone understands me (=・ω・=)
Sorry I think I just made a novel lol
There's literally a manga where the character rapes and blackmails the other character just so he can force him to have sex with him again even though the guy was initially straight. But I'm not seeing any criticism towards the character because in the end, he actually loves the character and they both love each other in the end and also, the character was just really cute and adorable so yeah, no criticism towards him, it's cool ╮(￣▽￣)╭
But the Sunbae here? Nooooooooo. All hell breaks loose and he is bashed into oblivion.
(Note: I'm not hating on the manga, I'm just using it as an example/comparison)
The Sunbae is just very possessive but he's honestly one of the mildest and kindest possessive characters I've seen. He doesn't even hurt his uke. He's even very loyal, so in love (too in love I might say) and a hard-working lover but nah, let's just skip that part and only focus on his flaw.
Yeah, I actually agree with the ratings of this manhwa because, in its entirety, this manhwa is a pretty cute domestic lovey-dovey story. I'm glad someone (you) understand me too.
Haha lol I like that note of yours, and I know what you mean by that, basically all that we said are facts....... Some people are just blind they haven't been exposed in many yaois yet, I think, judging from their stupid reactions..... They should read more so that they could understand that this is a cute story not a rape&abusive one, so that they could realize the worth of this manwha...... Honestly idk why, I've gone back to the yaoi manwha, manhua & manga that I've read before that has rape in it and had a happy ending in the end just to see the comments, and written in there are “ Awe they finally end up together and cleared their misunderstanding" or “Great story I love it so much" without even a single hate comments meanwhile sunbae received so much lol
Right?! I can't believe this double standard.
Conclusion: Some people who are reading are to sensitive, exaggerating things, haven't read that much yaoi yet since they act like this is the first time they've seen stuff like rape in manwha, manga or manhua ( and they kept saying: imagine if you are in that position the position where hosik is , where he have a possessive, forceful, doing things without his consent, overprotective, pscho and many more lol) is what they use to hate sunbae lol ( and they're excuse are: people who just reading this is blind haven't they see the seme doing all those stuff to the uke are they blind? Why aren't they mad about it and kept saying misleading stuff like this manwha is cute and all fluff, I think they're just saying those to protect the seme because the seme could get away by doing those forceful things at the uke since his rich and stuff ) so those in the parentheses are the things of those haters said about sunbae which I think is stupid since they like I said they are new to this kind of stuff lol
Honestly, I want what Hosik is having.
Haha same lol
Are ya'll delusional? I mean like you have to BLIND to not see how obsessive and manipulative the seme is to the uke. He is a manipulative rapist. Just because you guys might like this manwha and think it's cute in the way the author draws it does not rule out the fact that this is one of the most toxic relationships ever. He might not abuse the uke physically but his control over the uke's life is just not it. The criticism your lovely seme receives is well deserved and not at all exaggerated. Ya'll are sick if you can't see what a manipulative control freak the seme is.
Btw it's not stupid if people think this is a toxic relationship. It's not because 'they're new to it' either. Ya'll are literally missing the red flags in this manwha.
Oh and please take out JK out of your profile picture because I just know he wouldn't stand for this type of shit either.
First of all, the "rape" thing has been cleared out in Chapter 53-54.
Oh please, this is hardly the most toxic relationship out there. I've read a substantial amount of mangas/manhwa of varying genres and I can say with confidence that is hardly the most toxic relationship out there.The seme is definitely obsessive/possessive.
Oh really, not exaggerated at all? Pleaaaaase, if it weren't then I wouldn't have bothered commenting about it. Y'all just bunch of "woke" people whose fragile sense of control and power is easily "disturbed" by a character like this.
Please, would you kindly list the red flags?
What the hell are you on about? Are you seriously so blind that you do not see the disturbing shit the seme does? And just because it's not the 'most' toxic relationship you've seen does not mean it isn't toxic, because it is. It's not about being woke and having a fragile sense of control and power like you described. It's about not romanticizing this type of toxic relationship and you're honestly asking me for the red flags? You clearly see them if you can agree the seme is obsessive/possessive. The fact that you're even bothered by what I wrote clearly says a lot about the toxic person you are. Btw no rape was cleared out anywhere bc unless you're forgetting or simply have a mind of a goldfish, may I remind you that in the beginning of the manwha the seme literally forced him to do sexual acts in exchange for his clothes? Or the fact that he was heavily under the influence of alcohol where he was raped by the seme?
Yes, I'm blind. That's why I'm asking you to show me so I can "see".
You see toxic is a strong word here and so is rape. Many of you think that you are so in the right that you haphazardly use the words "rape" or "toxic relationships" based solely on one-sided and narrow observations.
If he was heavy under the influence of alcohol he wouldn't be able to speak or think coherently, which he was capable of in that chapter.
And excuse me, I'm a toxic person? You're hardly acting a non-toxic person yourself.
Clearly.
It's not based on one-sided and narrow observations if you see what's going in the manwha. The amount of control the seme wants to have over the uke's life is toxic whether you see it or not. Of course rape is a strong word since it's a crime and should not in no way be romanticized. Btw do you not know what it means to be under the influence of alcohol? It affects your judgement meaning that under the law he cannot consent and if you haven't noticed the uke was really black out drunk to the point that he fainted in the middle of it and woke up the next moment freaked out of his mind that the seme was on top of him. That is rape.
Never claimed to not be a 'non-toxic' person unlike you I actually can recognize the toxicity in this manwha.
"Clearly"
Well if you agree then why don't you start listing it now.
I actually don't. You see, alcohol is a mythical drink here.
He was initially. When they were in the apartment, Hosik was awake and the seme asked him if Hosik likes him or not. Then immediately the next chapter shows them making out then finally going to the bed and then had sex. Hosik only passed out when the seme said he was still inside him and so he stopped, gave him a bath and put him to bed. Literally Hosik woke up the next morning with the seme beside him, not on top of him. Please reread the chapters to avoid any erroneous recollection.
Unless you're forgetting that hosik could not consent to having sex with the seme because he was so heavily intoxicated. Btw I don't think you remember the part where during the rape hosik LITERALLY woke up and completely freaked out that the seme was inside him and then continued to pass out again. Are you ignoring that part? Or the fact that he did not remember anything the next day and was having a breakdown in the shower. Or the fact that the seme wouldn't give him his clothes and phone and FORCED him to suck him off in exchange for his stuff. I already listed some red flags but ofcourse you would turn the blind eye and ignore them just like how you're ignoring the fact that what happened to hosik was rape. What isnt clicking? Seriously I'm curious as to why you're defending the actions of some obsessive manipulative character? Just because he stopped doesn't mean he isn't guilty of taking advantage of hosik during a vulnerable time.
"No we didn't have s...s...sex!" (Nokchae 1).
"It wasn't mutual, I'm a victim!" (Nokchae 1).
"I wouldn't feel like it's this unfair if I agreed to do..." (Nokchae 1).
Words that hosik himself said. Check your sources before commenting pls and thank you.
A heavily intoxicated person can barely speak, let alone maintain consciousness.
Mea culpa on those parts.
The seme clearly shows signs of psychopathy, I'm not gonna deny that.
The point of this thread was why does this seme garner so much consistent and repetitive criticism and yet some characters from other mangas/manhwa, who are similar or even worse than the seme don't? It's tiring to see the same criticism, over and over and over again.
I will not deny those but technically, anything I cited/referenced here was correct therefore I don't need to check them.
As I said before, Mea Culpa.
Ultimately, you cannot really completely apply real-world logic in these sorts of things which makes both of our discussion kind of meaningless.
Ohh sorry for the late reply I just saw this now.....
Ok first of all my acc name and profile pic is not included in the argument that your talking about ,it's just simply random of you to brought it out all of a sudden and it has nothing to do with you on what what my username and profile pic shall be.......
2nd, I get what you mean by the things that you've said since I've read it, and all of those are your option so I very much respect it.......
3rd, all of the things that I've said before in the conversations are my opinion and what I believe off, I just simply pointed out those things that has been in my mind for along time now and just voiced it out, I'm sorry if you can't agree with it and I didn't really asked you to so what are you mad for?
4th, I'm a bit mad because you brought up an unnecessary thing in this conversation, don't you ever bring that kind of excuse that has nothing todo with this topic in what I've mentioned at the first paragraph.....
Lastly all of us have our own opinion I just voiced out mine and I respect yours, I hope you respect mine too
HAVE A GREAT DAYヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
2nd, I get what you mean by the things that you've said since I've read it, and all of those are your opinion so I very much respect it.......
I corrected it because the some words had been autocorrected
An intoxicated person still can't give consent and seeing as hosik barely remembered anything and was so out of it I'd say that he was heavily under the influence of alcohol. Just because he isn't speaking coherently doesn't mean shit. His judgement was clouded by the alcohol resulting in him unable to consent. I do not have the answer for your other question because I don't care. All those other mangas/manhwa you're talking about should still receive the same criticism this manwha gets bc romanticizing and normalizing rape is not okay at all and should not be swept under the rug just because the uke is okay with it or because the story is cute or whatever. Anyway if you're seeing repetitive and constant criticism given to the seme here, then that should really say something about how crazy the seme is.
It may be your opinion like you said but honestly speaking you're just feeding right into the rape culture and that isn't right. That's why I'm so 'mad'. Rape shouldn't ever be normalized and this relationship shouldn't be seen as 'goals' either. It has many red flags and considering how hosik is also aware of it should say something.
Nah, I still believe at this point that the criticism is sort of like a bandwagon already, and overly-exaggerated. There was literally a manga where the seme clearly raped the sober formerly-straight uke and then blackmail him just so he can fuck him again and again but I don't see any criticism towards him because hey, the sex was hot, they fell in love, and the seme was cute anyway.
Honestly, it's the same with you and the other people I have already previously argued with. Just because I like this manhwa doesn't mean it was because it's romanticizing rape or whatever. I liked it for its other features. Frankly, if it only takes a fictional and digitally drawn material to influence your mind into thinking that something as serious and real-world thing such as rape is okay just because it was "romanticized", then I believe you are the one with a problem, not me.
I'm not saying you can't like the manwha I'm literally telling you that what happened with hosik was rape and shouldn't be romanticized along with the toxic relationship they both have and I'm not the one with the problem when shit like this actually happens in real life and in the end the victims aren't heard. I could give less shits about whatever manga/manwha you're talking about. You are the problem along with anyone else who believes this shouldn't receive criticism bc the uke ends up with seme in the end. You refusing to believe what happened to hosik is clear evidence that I'm not the one with the problem here.
Sure, whatever goes well with your tea.
Oh I'm sorry if you don't like my opinion of it being a relationship goal, well I only said that because even though you think the seme is a pscho or maybe even a bastard in your eyes I think he is very caring and kind too ( well in my eyes that is )........
You said that, I think that rape is normal? Well no it isn't, I didn't think of it as a normal thing, but if you thought I said it that way, sorry for misleading you by the words that I've said.....Well for me rape is big deal in real life, but here you could say that it isn't that much of a big deal here because first this is fictional 2nd I just think of it that way here since I've already read a lot of manga,manhua&manwha that has rape in it and I think since I've done that, it's normal for me to think that way here.........
I don't know if your one of those people who imagines fictional as a real life thing just to understand the story and take those things by heart, well sorry I'm not one of those people and I don't imagine myself in a situation being rape......
Again I have my opinion you have yours, I do my thing and you do yours I'm sorry if you misunderstood some of the things that I've said, and now that I've cleared that up.......... GOOD BYE
Have nice dayヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
That's quite concerning, but alright. It might be fiction but things like what happened to hosik does happen in real life... btw I can distinguish between reality and fiction I don't know about you... but I just pray that you don't meet anyone like sunbae bc his actions are not okay even if you might think he's kind.
I don't drink tea.
Good to know.
I know that those happen in real life too but we were talking about the story so it's fiction now, idk why you bought that up, is it because to notify me, well how kind of you (=・ω・=)
If you want to know whether I can distinguish between reality and fiction you can reread my reply to you before, the 2nd paragraph ( pls kindly reread it to understand )........
Thank you about your concern as well as praying for me....... I'll pray for you too(⌒▽⌒)
Again have a nice dayヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
I don't need the prayers but thanks?
Sure no worries lol
Ok, I see some people saying that the sungyeon is creepy and since he raped hosik.... I get that he is creepy but I've seen worse since I have read a lot of manhua, manga&manhwa..... Tbh I just don't get why some people say bad things about the story, I love this manwha and kept rereading it over and over again..... Sorry but I'll be honest, FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DOESN'T LIKE OR APPRECIATE THE STORY YOU CAN STOP READING IT AND F*CK OFFヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Yeah he is manipulative but at least he treats hosik well besides the rape part. I still want him to apologize and admit he did it but besides that he is pretty decent. If people complain about this they should check out Killing Stalking cause boi was that a mind fuck
He didnt “try” to rape him, he RAPE him and not just one time. If you gonna defend him, at least be clear with that.
Well sorry, I forgot to use the right term
I'll change it
Okay I understood all the things that happened so far, but the thing is the plot is getting longer (don't get me wrong I only said longer but I mean it in a good way since the story is interesting) with this updating slowly I don't think this will be completed soon. I'm glad that it won't be finished soon but the thing is no offense to the author and translator ( I respect their work), in this manhwa with things going slowly/slowly updating and having such a long plot, I'm afraid of this manhwa getting hiatus ( I'm not saying it will be hiatus but there may be possibilities but I pray for that not to happen), when it comes to this kind of thing, when there's a long plot and slowly updating manga, manhua and manhwa most of them get hiatus and that's what frustrates me the most since most of them have great plots and liked by the others alot, I just wish for this to not become like that since this is my fav manhwa
Nobody cares, quit being a douche.
Me too
Ok
I almost screamed reading this & I finished reading the chapter slower than usual(*sigh* I hate tht I always get 2nd hand embarrassment in this kind of things)