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But they're not doing anything.. he's more like her guardian..it's political.. and I think BECAUSE this story will have modern aesthetics, they probably won't have a romance until she's much older.. I don't know if I can wait that long personally

yeah, that. grosses me out... When he was like "you're my wife" I so hoped that she would say "How can you called someone you married when she was seven months old. your wife? How can you call a 12 years old girl your wife when you're almost 30?"

And thought, the FL accepts it all so easily... If it where me, I would throw a fit. Twelve years old again? Married to a man I don't know? What the living fuck? And here she is "I want to be a good consort!!" Why? Doesn't she have anything she wants to do for herself?

I don't think it's fair to expect the modern way of thinking and modern behaviors to be adhered to in historical stories. Even if they are not accurate historically, they still are world building their story where women ( sadly) do not have the same rights we have today. Engagements from birth, young brides are part of world history. There are still places in the world where women aren't allowed to hold a job, or have basic rights many other women in the world do. I understand that it rankles, but honestly , what's exactly the point of historical stories if they only thing that is different is the clothes they wear? There is an obstacle built into this particular story, her marriage is arranged since birth for political reasons. She is not brainwashed by this world but has to find a way to live in it. *That's* what this story is about, not pedophilia. As of right now in the story, her 'husband' is more of a guardian than anything.

Yeah you're right... But what use of using reincarnation if the FL is going to accept the sexism of this world like it is completely nothing? I mean, she didn't get brainwashed as you said. She came from a world where she could do all the shit she wants by herself and now, she is thrown into a world where her gender has already decided of her destiny? She should be losing her shit instead of being all "I want to be a good consooooort".

And thought, I wouldn't have any problem with the engagement if it was part of the plot as an obstacle or something she needs to work on. But here, it is just written as a convenient way for the author (whom I suspect to have some lolicon tendencies) to write a love story about a 12 years old girl and a 27 years old man. (And the way he is depicted sounds too perfect, almost as if it was the actual fantasy of a perfect man for the author.)

We'll see if I am right. But if I am and if we see any kind of romance without her being a grown-up, mangago should put the lolicon tag on it.

I could even go further ahead and say that this is not a coincidence that the soul is 33 years old already. First, it would be a way to justifie any kind of love interaction, cause you know she is supposedly to be older than him. Secondly, it wouldn't be surprising that the author herself was of this age when she wrote that manga. I suspect it to be her fantasy of a perfect world, with a perfect husband and the perfect face (aka a 12years old girlish face)

If it is true, she didn't give a flying fuck about politics in her story and this manga is just her lolicon fantasm.

There are a number of things about these stories where they reincarnate/transmigrate to a completely made-up world that make me wonder why they choose to keep particular "historically accurate" parts of the story that unnecessarily force the MC into situations and behaviour that doesn't match modern values, when you know that otherwise they're just gonna write whatever kind of idealistic stuff they like. It always feels a bit off that a modern person would go "Oh, let's add this backwards idea in IT'LL BE FUN, RIGHT?"

I'm not talking about the historical ideas they borrow because they've genuinely developed an interesting story around the specific idea. I'm talking about the things like childhood marriage and multiple wives/concubines (this is even worse when it's added to European-based worlds) that just feel a bit lazy. And the MC just accepts it.

Anyway, so far this one seems like the ML is only thinking about their future and not about any current romance. Plus, the age-gap does solve another thing that I'm sometimes uncomfortable with, which is when an adult-turned-child develops a romance with someone the same age as their new child self, even though they're mentally 20 years older. At least their mental ages in this one are more aligned.

(And I'm not saying that all stories with these elements are bad, either! I just mean that sometimes they feel put in for no good reason other than unoriginality and they detract from the story either by making it less appealing, more mundane, or unnecessarily forcing the MC into very old-fashioned goals - like getting a husband.)

it is but back then it was normal to get married at such young ages and if u think about it she is 42 actually soooo...... it's not that weird

There are plenty of other historical webtoons like this where the FL gets stuck in a situation like this and does whatever she can to show that she is repulsed and does not want that life. I don’t see why someone would want to make a story about a child and an adult.

Just because its a historical manga, does not mean a child being married off to an adult should be romanticized. There is nothing wrong with writing a story about child marriage as long as it’s not romanticized. And if it is, it just shows that the author fetishizes that kind of thing.

At this point, even if they do end up together it’ll just be really weird because he’ll be grooming her for years. There’s a reason why society no longer sees child marriage as an acceptable thing. Therefore, we should not accept stories that romanticize those kinds of relationships just because its supposed to be a historical story. This isn’t even a story based on real history, it just has history elements so they could leave out the child marriage.

Also, the fact that you said you might not be able to wait until shes an adult for the romance to start- yikes dude.

Stop romanticizing historical based mangas about children and adult relationships because it was normal at that time. Its not normal now so we shouldnt continue to write stories that romanticize it. Also shes still in a child’s body even if shes 42 or whatever. That’s literally just the authors excuse for it to be okay to have a romance between the FL who is in the BODY of a 12 year old an the ML whos 27.

U know what im gonna be nice to u but i have to say i disagree i pretty sure there not gonna get married until the girl becomes of age( ofc) but your too stupid to notice that apparently... i just wasted my time and energy on u i hope u are happy

Yea I totally agree. I just dont see why the author couldnt have had the FL reincarnate into an adult. Its just kind of weird to me that she made this very odd decision of making her a child whos forced to marry an adult. Like why even write a story like that unless the FL is going to fight against it and try to live her own life?

They literally call her princess. She refers to herself as his consort and so does he. Definition of consort: a wife, husband, or companion, in particular the spouse of a reigning monarch. He refers to her as his wife sometimes too like?? Please work on your reading comprehension skills before you call someone else stupid for not jumping to the same assumptions as you :).

look here bitch i can read your the one who needs to chill i don't have time for your petty ass attitude so go sit down and shut the fuck up no one cares about the age it just a comic so SHUT THE FUCK UP U DUMB BITCH with that funky ass attitude

oh and just b/c she's called a consort doesn't mean there married yet she is his wife but did i don't remember seeing the wedding do u

Yup it’s fkn weird. If she was ateast close to being an adult, I could maybe understand the political marriage aspect but tf she’s literally not even half his age he was a full ass adult when she was borb

Girl, you’re the one calling me stupid and cussing and shit. You need to calm down. Even if they aren’t married yet shes still his fiance and he treats her like a wife and she tries to act like a wife. So how about, you, who commented on MY post, move on with your nasty ass attitude. I simply refuted your first comment where you began to insult me for no reason and made assumptions. It’s sad how you not only have terrible reading comprehension skills but then you feel the need to insult someone after they refute a statement you made.

Exactly like what was the point of doing that??

I don t want to get into an argument with anyone, but they are not married just jet. Only when she is off age it is mentioned in the story as well. And if she is off age an adult in other words than is it not totally usless to argue about their age difference? I mean in real world there are young women who marries men old enough to be their grandpa for money or other reasons. Also I believe there are some of you whoes parents age gap are 9 or more years. Then what is so wrong with a 15 year age difference? Just becouse they are promised to each other from a young age? And the ml was 15 when she was promised to him. Where is that an adult for you all? I think it is pretty much a child. And since it does not have much chapter I won t say anything about the main characters, because there are some things that are mentioned but still unexplained so I am waiting for at least until thoes are explained to form an opinion.
One last thing all of the things you complain about was mentioned in the summary of the manga so what are you so unstatisfied about if you read the summary you should have been prepared for it.
And congrats for thoes hwo read my comment until the end, it became pretty long.
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I agree completely with everything you said!

First, just because there are lots of stories where the heroine 'does whatever she can' , should all stories be that way? Can't each author decide their own story?
Second, she is promised at birth, this story so far has him watching over her, quite often from afar for a great deal of the time. I don't find that 'romanticizing'.
Third, has he been 'grooming' her or watching over her for her protection? We see it differently.
Fourth, just because it's not based on a true story or real history, it's up to the author to 'world build'.. It's not the readers who get to decide what they should write or how the story should go. Basically, if the reader doesn't like that kind of thing why'd they pick it up? Which brings me to, it was in the synopsis, why did you continue to read?
Finally, what I meant was, to me, this is obviously a respectful story where nothing will really happen between them until she is of age.. That could be 150 chapters of her learning to live in those times, and that will bore me. I am in no rush to see a romance between a child and an adult, but rather for her to grow up faster in the story. Their true age gaps when adults will not be a big deal.. I think truly the people who need to get their minds out of the gutter are people seeing something that isn't happening in the story.

Even if she raised hell it wouldnt change much because its not the eight time for that movement to gain favor for women if that novel was true. Bra burning time.

Just ignore people who resort to insults. You don't need to waste energy on that.

Yep, these are all valid points. Personally, I'm not hating on this story specifically or anything, merely commenting on general trends in isekai comics (and novels) that I wish were different. When a single story like this is considered on its own, it may be handling an issue such as child marriage fairly moderately and consideredly (and we'll have to see how it all unfolds to be sure).

When considered as part of a genre or trend, one can begin to recognise certain values that are (perhaps subconsciously) perpetuated time and again. They may not be an issue if one story wrote about it, they would just be an interesting perspective, but when many do, it can feed what readers subconsciously see as normal or acceptable ways of thinking.

Of course, no reader is actually thinking "Oh yay, let's marry off my five-year-old daughter!" The influence film, television, manga and novels have is subtler than that. What it can do is subtly perpetuate the idea that relationships where one party is still immature and therefore impressionable are romantic, or where it is normal for a woman's fulfilling goal or means of survival is to marry/rely on a man. Many people, especially younger readers, aren't even aware of the concepts they form about romance, love, gender roles, independence, agency, fulfillment being influenced in this way.

So, rather than thinking "This story is horrible," I'm merely remaining critical of the bigger picture while I read anything, and sometimes wishing creators in general would come up with something different and original.

One final note. I am also aware that in some of these cultures it may be that even many modern women consider it natural, desirable and fulfilling to have marriage as a goal above and beyond any personal interests or vocations. I just find it, personally, disappointing that even the most entertaining isekai comics and stories rarely have a female MC who achieves her goals through her own ability without significant help from her (often super-powerful/-influential) ML. Compare that to similar stories with a male MC, and the FL (or leads) is usually somehow weaker and may even be fairly superfluous to the main plot.

Just some things I notice and wish were different. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Hehe. Yeah, I hate when people feel like they have to slam an opinion that's different from theirs. I don't mind if someone wants to present their own, differing view, but I dislike it when people see it as personal if someone thinks differently from them and has to make them see the error of their ways!

Personally, I don't care about age gaps in stories, my issue is with child marriage (in this story, setting aside the debate about whether she was married or merely engaged in infancy, she will be considered an adult at 13 or thereabouts, so that's still child marriage). What we know now is that it takes until roughly the end of adolescence for a brain to fully develop to the stage where its ability to predict and judge situations and to self-monitor and manage emotions and impulses (so there's no exact age, but setting adulthood at 18 or 20/21 is more reasonable). Before then, people are much more impressionable and susceptible to the influence of those around them and their own impulses.

So, I can usually somewhat suspend the realistic part of me if I'm reading a romance between a 17yo and an adult (depending on the story), but there is no getting away from the fact that an adult having a relationship with someone younger is problematic. That doesn't mean I can't read this story from the perspective of "it's normal in this world so people don't know any better," but it does mean I'm aware that the CREATOR chose this setting, and that the MC is supposed to be aware of these things, so I'd realistically expect some repulsion or resistance.

But I'm also aware that it's standard for these isekai stories not to bother about these things. The MCs accept servants, highly-stratified societies, slavery, taking up weapons as an occupation, becoming a concubine etc. often without batting sn eyelid. So, I merely WISH more stories were better than that, and I sometimes like to whine about it, even when they're otherwise great and entertaining stories. Hehe.

That's my personal opinion.

I completely agree with you and to your last response too.

Finally someone who get it! There is also another story in which the mc is the mother to the children of a duke, but he's like 40, 50 years old and she was like 16 or sth when they get married. The part that uncomfy me the most is that the eldest son IS BASICALLY THE SAME AGE AS HER, and the "love interest" is that son's enemy/used to be friend, WHO IS ALSO THE SAME AGE AS HER.

It's a shame that when modern ideals are taken into the story people complain about historical accuracy then when they bring in tid bits of things from actual history people complain that it's not appropriate. While yes it is unsettling, it's their social norms in that world. I tend to just look at it like we are peering into their world. Our ideals and norms don't follow us when experiencing the world that has been brought to us.

Why are people literally defending child marriage and pedos just bc it was normal back then like it’s NOT something that’s easily accepted now and I’m pretty sure the author knows that. It’s creepy and gross, out of all things to make ‘historically accurate’ it had to be fucking child marriage...

Historically accurate? You do understand that this manga is screwing history big deal? Like, seriously. It isn't even that far fetched, this manga is just a projection of the fantasme of the author, nothing more.

Where did you see the pediophilia? I must have missed it, I think it's in your mind like the other commenters who are calling this out.

Girl stfu, you know this is creepy ash don’t defend it.

I see, you must be around 14.. k , nuff said

This conversation literally ended a month ago, why are you still trying to argue with people who don’t have the same opinion as you?? You already stated how you felt and why you don’t see this story as creepy. And that’s great! This girl obvious doesn’t agree with you even after seeing the whole thread, so what you say isn’t going to change her mind. Also, the fact that you want to assume that someone is 14 just because they don’t have the same opinion as you.....yikes..... Stop being immature and move on.

Because I was responded to a month later.. so I answered... Because when I said my opinion I was told to STFU... it's not about a different opinion, it's about rudeness.

I’m 18 LMFAO, also if even if I was a 14 year old- my statement still stands. I’m telling you it’s creepy, the fact that you’re so desperate to defend a marriage between a 12 year old and a nearly 30 year old man just bc it was the norm back then is stupid. This was published recently, not 200 fucking years ago.

You were told to shut the fuck up because you’re a fucking creep, never go near kids pls

lol..

Ok but all those who hate it just becouse the age difference are unable to read it as a fantasy or what? I do not understand why does this happen allways in these mangas comment section. I read it and I keep it on a level where I accept it in a story but not in reality. But everyone is making a mess because it is not acceptable now and was acceptable in the past does it even matter in a fantasy if it is a fantasy? And how do you know for sure that the author wanted to be historically accurate Sorry to butt into the conversation.┗( T﹏T )┛
I also can not understand when some started the same thing under I am a chiled of this house. The age difference there was at the most 7 years and they made a fuss about it as if he was 30 years older than her. And not only there. But when I read the coments that even that much was too far appart in age I was like fuck then what about a lot of parents in this world who are 9 or more years appart. Huh? My parent are 50 and 41, I am 20 shuold I be ashamed that my parents are not the same age as well?#－.－) sorry I am usually not the type to argue but I read too much comment about age gaps this and that. Sometime I question the sanity of a few people. ╥﹏╥

I don’t care about age gaps if they’re 18+. But it’s when you put an 12 year old and a 30 year old (or whatever his age is) in a marriage together is when I have a problem. We don’t know for sure if the author wants this to be historically accurate, it’s just the way she’s writing the story for me that’s turning me off. Yes fantasy is fantasy, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to be okay with things like pedophilia (for an ex) in a story just because it’s fantasy. That’s like saying pedophilia is okay in a fantasy story just because it’s fantasy. Pedophilia is disgusting and I personally don’t read stories with that in it. Same thing with child marriage. There are many historical stories that are about child marriage, but usually it’s about the child overcoming it and escaping the marriage. The problem that I have with this story is that he’s treating a child like his wife which is weird and grooming in a way. He’s literally raising her and the fact that she’s going to grow up to be her caretaker’s wife is off putting to me. So you can enjoy this if you want to, but I have no idea how you can enjoy a story about child marriage just because it’s fantasy. Also, I don’t read “I am a child of this house”, so I can’t really speak on it.

Okay first of all, you could apply that to literally any fucking story. ‘Just bc it’s a book and it’s not actually happening irl it’s fine’ But that’s literally adding onto the problem, child marriages although not a social norm occur A LOT- it’s not just a silly issue that ppl choose to ignore. Second of all, if the author didn’t want to make it ‘historically accurate’ then why tf make her a 12 year old. It holds barely any relevance to the story, her being an adult wouldn’t change the plot of the story at all. What was the point of making her a fucking child.
And NOWW you’re talking about the age gap between your parents, was your mother a fucking child when she married your father or was she an adult that could make conscious decisions for herself?
STOP and I repeat STOP defending shit like this, it’s literally impossible to read this on a ‘fantasy level’ when she’s literally a 12 year old marrying a 30 year old man. Also I just wanna say, when she does become of age and they do have sex- that’s still considered child grooming LMAO.

I can’t believe we actually have to explain to people why this is wrong and creepy omg

I am sorry but I do not unerstand why you can not keep it on fantasy level. It is as if you are saying you can not keep a murder rape war or discrimination on a fantasy level when you read it in a manga. Of course all of them are bad and/or disgusting.
Bigger agegaps can be disgusting even if they are adults. In my country there was a woman who was able to marry a man old enough to be her grandpa just cause she wanted his money. It was digusting seeing a 28 and a 80 years old as a married couple, and I had to see them every day couse they were celebrities.
I am not defending it for gods shake I just said that I read it and will not complain about it since the summary said that it will most likely be like this, so I have prepared myself for it. And I said this previously but it has too few chapters to say that it does not have any meaning why she is a 12 years old. Of course I do not mean that it will definietly will have a reason but we do not know much about the plot yet.
About my parents I said it in accordance to another manga, I just drew a paralell between here and there, sorry if it was confusing.
Although I know that childmarriage is disgusting but I accept it in the plot as unchangeable since no matter how much I complain and swear, the author will not hear it and change the plot just because I do not like it.
Thats all and have a nice day. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

That’s bc when I read war scenes and rape scenes, they’re never shown in a positive light- telling the readers that it’s something okay/normal. And at this point I’m not complaining about the age gap, it’s the fact that this manga is showing child mariage in a positive manner, Romanticising it and basically telling the readers it’s okay!! He’s literally treating a 12 year old as his wife, he’s also fucking raising her. That shit is so creepy and fucked up that it’s beyond reading it on a ‘fantasy level’. Honestly, we’re all allowed to state our views on it whether the author changes the plot or nah. It’s just odd to me that the author deliberately made her a 12 year old, knowing that it’s creepy even though age gap romances are popular in Japan.

Well I don't know how many people know the story of the prophet Muhammad in the Koran, he married his favorite wife Aisha when she was like 10 or 11 he was like in his 40's. What I'm saying is that it is something that was practice in our past, our history is well known. Men in the past were all petos and women had no rights to refuse who they married. It's fucked up, but it DID happen - That's a fact that can't be changed.

he’s 34

Thank you so much :)!

So he’s young..........

I agree...since the change is so fast it feels unrealistic and somehow I recognize them as characters which I hate doing... though I love the story the plotline is great.

I would like to chalk it up that she had unknown natural talent that bloomed.

Yep, it's just been stated she has the talent, just never utilised it.

The fact her identity is hidden could have helped. She may be different when she wears it and when she doesn't

Oh shit that was stated too! Wearing the mask allows her to feel free. Able to do anything.

Oh shit, I wasn't talking to you. No one cares about what a disrespectfull and arrogant person like you thinks.

Wouldn't it be more disrespectful to insult a person out of the blue? Please, enlighten me as to what I've done to offend you. I, at least, have enough decency not to attack a person I don't know. Yikes. What's got your pants in a twist?

There is many way to insult someone, one is the manner of speech. That is what you have done, I simply matched the way you speak to people you don't know, because you did it twice. Maybe you thought you could freely make fun of people that you believe are stupid, but said people have feelings you know and above all, not blind.

What are you talking about point out when I'd made fun of anybody

LMAO you thought I was being sarcastic? No no the tone must have come off wrong but I love this webtoon a lot, I genuinely enthusiastically meant "oh shit" and not in a condescending way. It clicked. I'm sure I've praised this webtoon somewhere. You've completely misconstrued my tone & that's fair and all, tone can be interpreted wrongly on the internet but there was really no need to personally attack me ESPECIALLY since there was a chance I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I'm not that petty. I only attack those who've wronged me personally this came out longer than intended but I hope I got my point across. You really had me confused

Yea I literally saw no problem with your comments. I thought you were genuinely surprised and enlightened by their comments.....

I genuinely was!! Everything made sense then. I thought I'd said something sorta rude in another thread (I can't remember ever attacking anyone personally on this site but there you go) but then it'd make no sense to square up to me here where I'm just vibin, so I got defensive. I was so confused thanks for understanding

Bro,I think it's probably dropped or somethin┐(´ー｀)┌

If anyone actually read this then wow,you dropped this

Oh wow same i didn't like it that much and yes it was fucked up the moment the seme really did imprisoned the uke, i was flippin and it's such a short manga i wish there was more closure and the problem of the story isn't a big deal actually (talking to another girl wth cliche and childish actually) It's not bad but just wasn't enough for me, wish it was atleast 4-5 chapters more

Hear, hear. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I mean, I agree with everything you said up until you called it rape
You're one of those people who choose to ignore the tags and leave a nasty comment I see...

Right!!! I was so confused. They really pushed everything to the extreme.

And the last little flash back to "prove" how they both depend on each other changed nothing.

He assaulted him but go off . Since when was chaining someone against their will and touching their body not assault? Just because I didn’t like the story doesn’t mean I can’t critique it.

Was the author trying to justify what he did like??? I was also so confused.

I'm thinking if they presented lots more information early on about how much they both needed each other before it got wild it wouldn't have felt so broken.

It could have been more of a gradual build-up with a serious payoff.

But when he flat out calls the romance one-sided it should have been all over.

Let me just go rewrite this real quick -- But yeah definitely some tonal issues.

The story really had so much potential. I didn’t mind them being dependent on eachother, but the seme became so possessive to the point where he became psychotic. The author really dropped the ball there. But @ me after you finish rewriting this

Um
Lol okay
So because you didn't like the manga it was bad???
Right...
The manga was good.
Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it was bad smh.
If the author wanted to write a story with a psychotic seme then I'd say they're free to do what they want
Ofc it had pages many people are gonna dislike but if that was the idea then the manga was good.
Either way it was good, you just mad it wasn't fluffy ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Go ahead and continue enjoying your mangas where the main character restrains and sexually assaults another character. Because thats so uwu cute and acceptable. Having the victim end up with the person who assaulted him was suchhhhh a great choice

Omg I love your comment! TOTALLLY EXPRESSED WHAT I WAS feeling. I thought I was the only one. ヾ(☆▽☆).

I’m so glad someone else agrees T_T. I was wondering why no one was mentioning this.

Pffft haha didn’t realize I had actually responded to you in the previous comment. I guess some people here aren’t expecting much anymore cuz thats how most of these yaoi webtoons are nowadays. < had to be careful with what I say. (⊙…⊙ ) which is can be applied to me too. BUT I think this series CAN DO so much better or I just HAD high expectations for it. First the artwork of this series is TOP NOTCH! Gorgeous characters! ITS JUST MISSING 2 IMPORTANT THINGS! 1st: A better plot that shows character development or ATLEAST I HATE TO SAY IT, put in some cheesy aspects of romance into this. It could be anything that people IN LOVE would do for one another or etc. (aside from sex) Or disclose like past history or reason why the director fell head over heels for the uke. HIM being cute doesn’t really do justice for me. :0 (Which you already mentioned it but for me I don’t really feel that much romantic feelings coming from the main pair.) 2nd: actual communication. Like if the seme didn’t always seem to be horny all the time, he could have had several conversations with the uke abt this and that. (But in my opinion it’s both parties fault. Because ones too forceful (seme) and ones (Uke) not clear/too submissive. Tho I believe that the director has communicated his feelings clearly in this series.< all his emotions were fresh as fuck. A MAN CRYING= breaks my heart ) Then maybe we the readers would understand their relationship more. Ahh there so much to say.. I’m gonna stoop here for now.... ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~