Wow, just read through these 5 volumes today. What a true follow up to Love Mode.
But Ze is still one of the best manga I've read TT.TT
agreed(▰˘◡˘▰)
Same, and I can't believe I haven't read it before.
Follow up? Is there any connection between this and love mode? What do you mean?
I just meant that many mangaka write one great manga but then the rest of their careers live rather in the shadow of that great success. This manga, though, is just as fantastic as Love Mode and captures a lot of what made Love Mode manga great thematically.
I'll also say that I'm just now reading Ze! Don't know how it slipped under my radar!
I see.. yeah I agree with you.. but I think this mangaka's greatest masterpiece is ZE. And it's one of the best yaoi manga I have ever read.
I wonder if John's power is somehow a psychic ability. I thought that he needed to activate his power while the other person was using theirs in order to copy it. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. Elaine wasn't using her ability in order for John to copy it. Which could mean either 1) John can mimic other peoples ability by psychically read their power, so he needs another person present in order to copy their ability or 2) John just needs to imagine how another persons ability works in order to impersonate it.
The latter case would explain why John could scan and find Sera's wound when Elaine couldnt. Maybe John doesnt copy the ability at all. Maybe he just observes other peoples abilities, imagines how they work, then impersonates/mimics them. If this is the case, John is likely the most powerful person in the comic....
I agree with number 2
Me too
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Elaine and Arlo are definitely going to interpret the situation as Sera was attacked by John. i mean, he is the only one possible they know that could even touch Sera.
Yeah, I agree. But I so freaking hope that's not the case. Cause Elaine and Arlo need to back the F off!
Another thing, I presume this is the same group that is taking down other people with powers. Is this how they've managed to do it so far? And I wonder if the drug in the needle has something to do with John's blood?
Well, Arlo saw what John's ability is. Her wound and symptoms shouldn't make any leads to that. Besides it is well known that sera hangs out with John for quite some time, and for that time Sera has never shown signs of getting hurt.
I think is more probable for them to just get worried about what happened to her, and in case of an overreaction, they might blame John responsible (But not guilty) for whatever reason.
Guess bluerobintail was right. And Elaine doesn't care about how often they've been hanging out together.
After all, she's acting like a total b**** but everyone defends her and tells JOHN to calm the fuck down? Hypocrisy.
Well, it's true. but just partly, because Arlo doesn't jump to conclusions like Elaine does. And John being an ass with Elaine and Arlo IS bad not because it's him being mean to them, but because right now he hasn't assert how bad Sera's condition is and is focusing on lashing out on the ones he called to help.
Um you missed my point. My point was that Elaine lashed out at him without asserting Sera's condition. No one is taking her to task for it. But she's supposed to be Sera's friend? AND this after she ignored John calling her for precisely that reason. So you actually prove my point. Just sayin'.
i believe i understand why people compare this to real life bdsm. while there is obvious distortion of bdsm relationships to create tension and plot (you agreed to be tied up while drunk! then you forgot you agreed to bondage! oh no!), the mangaka obviously understands why bdsm can be psychologically and sexually appealing/pleasurable for both the dom and sub-- the kind of erotic trust between being dominant and being submissive.
i'm interested in seeing where the manga goes from here, because hopefully in the next chapters the sub's consent (to an S&M relationship) will be more explicit. i mean, at this point the sub understands the dynamic of the relationship and either agrees to it or backs out of it.
also, just to clarify something in the comments, all bdsm relationships are different. while safe words are a common practice in the community, not all relationships have/need them. safe words are mainly useful in roleplay and abuse play (whipping, spanking, etc). there are also other ways to gain non-verbal consent from someone. for instance, if the sub is gagged or tied up, the dom can disengage from the sex/play and can let the sub reinitiate things. if the sub can choose not to, the session is over. if the sub reinitiates the sex/roleplay, the session continues.
that happens here:
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sm_gokko/mi/30ba27864169047076448c274a9d7eb5_chapter-1/32/s
and finally, depending on the agreement of the relationship, the sub could or could not have a say in what's done to him. two different types of relationships in bdsm: sub/dom vs. slave/master. in a sub/dom relationship, the sub communicates his limits and the dom respects those limits. in a slave/master relationship, the master decides what the slave's limits are and the slave agreed (by the conditions of their relationship) to be at the mercy of the master.
it's complicated, but what is important is understanding the type of relationship you're agreeing to and maintaining trust.
if these two characters agree on the type of bdsm relationship they want to be in and maintain that trust, this manga could actually turn into a realistic depiction of a bdsm relationship.
despite this unrealistic first chapter.
Unfortunately, I think you're missing the point, if your argument is that master/slave relationships have not been discussed even peripherally on the board. Because they have. Master/slave relationships STILL rely on consent, and (again) we've said that, after all. The dom also still relies on what they think the sub wants or needs. It is the dom who must prove themselves trustworthy.
I agree. Even (especially actually) in M/s relationships, there needs to be explicit consent beforehand. The Master needs the slave's 100% full, un-coerced consent before entering into the relationship. After it's begun is a different story, because both parties have agreed and understand the terms.
Well the problem is that neither of them had agreed to a BDSM relationship in the first place, never-mind what kind of BDSM relationship. And there is a distinct lack of trust here, so maintaining a nonexistent trust is kind of out of the picture. Of course, trust develops along with the relationship, but this was definitely not a good start to one.
i agree that there needs to be explicit consent beforehand. my point was mostly that the beginning of their relationship seems to have gotten muddled by the mangaka's urge to create drama in her story, resulting in an unrealistic first chapter.
in the future chapters, though, there seems to be plenty of opportunities for them to establish the actual terms of their s/m relationship if/when they continue. and i believe ther relationship definitely has the potential to become a realistic depiction of a bdsm relationship.
my other other point was that all bdsm relationships have different dynamics, and i was pointing out how some of those differences typically play out. i didn't intend to apply those dynamics to this couple. i just wanted to point out that there is no one right way to be in a bdsm relationship, that is, beyond forming and maintaining trust, which i rather hope happens with this couple in the coming chapters.
That's reasonable. I agree that there could be potential for it to develop into a more realistic BDSM relationship in the future. At least consent was mentioned in the first chapter...many BDSM-esque manga never mention it at all, ever. It would be nice if more mangakas could write realistic stories right off the bat, instead of trying to hook readers in with unnecessary added drama that ends up misrepresenting areas like the BDSM community. Though I kind of understand--real life just isn't interesting enough to fantasize about, I guess. Let's hope for better future chapters, eh?
+ 1
So what the hell happened to Hyeseong once that sleazy guy drugged him?
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/if_you_hate_me_that_much/uu/if_you_hate_me_that_much-chapter-27/17/
...he was never seen again...
haha, jk I've been wondering bout that too.
His story is the 3rd one of the series, it's up and available on lezhin. ^^
waaaaah thanks!!!
I love this mangaka, but what a weird fucking last chapter. LUL.
Still sweet, tho.
Wow... I'm actually starting to believe that Hyung and Subin may end up together in the end. I will let myself believe this and hope that the artist is original enough to let that happen.
I totally want him with Hyung. I don't want him with a guy who'd butt sex him and then deny it the next day. I still don't forgive him for lying.
In the end, if Arlo was really concerned about maintaining 'order' and 'hierarchy', he'd just expose John, then let John dethrone him as king since John's the more powerful one between the two anyways.
Instead, Arlo is just insecure and resentful about not being the strongest, or even the second strongest, anymore-- and more than that, in his mind he's always been THE rightful leader, and now that someone more powerful has shown up, he doesn't know how to adjust his world view to accommodate the idea of people stronger than him--- and him being obligated to do what they say.
No, its more that Arlo doesn't believe John to be worthy of being king. If he exposed John, it would do nothing but cause chaos. I don't think Arlo really sees John as being more powerful, but in fact weaker and pathetic.
Not supported by what has been said in the story, at all. If Arlo wanted him to take some of the burden off of him (as was directly stated in one of the episodes itself) then he can't plausibly believe that he's ALSO weaker and more pathetic than he is at the same time now can he? Besides, Arlo isn't worthy of being King if he thinks that his selfish ass is more deserving of sharing the burden than John's was when he was King. It's precisely BECAUSE of people like Arlo that John was lonely at the top in his position as King AND at the bottom, after all. Kt.
We were left with a fucking cliffhanger for a year! Thank god! ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄