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Yes ayden will be in fever time and a candidate for daichi (from the author’s replies on twitter)

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Although I agree with you that MD was manipulating chanwoo into doing sth he doesnt want. It's not as if MD is forcing anything on him. Chanwoo can choose to stop or reject what he is told to do. As you can see, once chanwoo said the safe word MD immediately stopped the play and even asked the new guy to leave. Ultimately Chanwoo agreed to do what he did.

Omg.... How literally how can you proposed the play and say oh you can use a safe word or refuse... BUT. Situation like that shouldn't be created in the first place. It's clear manipulation.

MD knows perfectly Chanwoo won't refuse and lose another relationship after he was just rejected and used by the other guy.

Like I said, I agree that MD was taking advantage of Chanwoo's vulnerability at the point in time. But both are adults, and Chanwoo, despite knowing MD's intentions, still chose to go along with it. I'm not saying MD is right here. But he definitely did not force Chanwoo to do anything

You have to take in the consideration that Chanwoo isn't completely stable guy. He didn't say safe word while being strangled, tray strangled. And was in abusive relationship on last and get in another and another one.

Honestly I just feel it's unfair to put this situation into the same category as rape. This is definitely not rape

MD threw concent out of the window when he placed terms like that to the play. There shouldnt be any emotional conditions for a play. That's emotional abuse. Chanwoo hated it from the get go and MD knew that, but used the power he had over Chanwoo instead of solving it in other ways. He could have been the bigger guy. But he didn't.

I mean.. when Chanwoo adamantly rejected the idea of making out with SH in the beginning MD made it clear that he could leave anytime he wants. But chanwoo chose to stay. You can't expect MD to read chanwoo's mind. In the end, MD made it clear he could leave if he hated the play, but Chanwoo agreed to do it. Looking at it in MD's POV, why should he be the 'bigger man'? MD got rejected, and after a few weeks of not communicating Chanwoo initiated the meet up not even to talk about what happen, but to ask for permission to date? How would MD feel in that situation. Most importantly, everything that happened Chanwoo consented

It's unfair to assume that Chanwoo didnt say the safe word because he's an "emotionally unstable". The manhwa didnt clearly indicated what was his thoughts as to why he is not choosing to say the safe word. There is a possibility that he is enjoying the play very much, or his tolerance is high. Good on MD to worry about him. But Chanwoo is well able to take care of himself. It's not as if he is purposely staying in the abusive relationship anyway. Once things gets out of hand, chanwoo knows well enough to leave the r/s for good. And knowing chanwoo's personality, he is very direct and expressive in what he wants.

Yeah we should consider someone notusing safe word while being nearly strangled to deat normal. Or getting in another and another abusive relationship. He IS a victim of abuse and it shows.

It was clear, manipulated abuse and Chanwoo didn't enjoy this scene in the slightest. It was clear. It's not how BDSM works. You can't put conditions on sub so he will feel obligated to do things he doesn't want to and is uncomfortable with.

Sigh. I have no words. Yeah his abuse was justified. Yeah it's completely normal to manipulate someone into the play which is clear abuse. Yeah he wasn't interested in the other sub he had ulterior motives like grudge and pseudo lesson.
Chanwoo was a victim of abuse and he was just rejected and used, he also had problems with saying no while being strangled and MD took advantage of that. That consent wasn't consent at all because concent can't be impacted by some conditions.

Well technically you already finished reading Alex and DG’s story so obviously you know that Jiwon took accountability and learned. MD and Chanwoo’s story isn’t even finished yet, so how can you say that he hasn’t learned when it’s literally been only one day since making the mistake. Alex had weeks to learn from his mistake, so it’s pretty unfair to say that MD should learn right away. Right now you’re just predicting/assuming that MD will use this to manipulate Chanwoo in the future, you don’t actually know that he would unless you’re the author themself.

And maybe you’re seeing the situation from a different perspective but, it sounds like you think MD did all this to make Chanwoo stay. In my opinion I think he did it to make Chanwoo speak up for himself and break things off on his own. Because if you remember the previous chapters, MD wanted Chanwoo to say the safe word before, but he wouldn’t so he said it instead. I don’t think he was trying to make Chanwoo sad/cry, I just think he was trying to make him mad and give up on their relationship. Maybe cause he couldn’t bring himself to break things off on his own because he loves him too much.

(And idk about you, but out of all the BDSM BL stories I’ve read, MD is by far the most respectable one. All the previous ones I’ve seen actually raped and/or manipulated their sub partner, so I don’t know if you’re basing your feelings off of previous stories, but this is the only one where I’ve seen the Dom/Seme say the safe word first and stop immediately when the other said the safe word).

LOL. Maybe you should read that chpt again. MD was constantly asking Chanwoo if he was ok, and emphasized again and again that he should notify him if the play was too much. And mind you, the reason why chanwoo always chooses abusive guys is because n It is insinuated that chanwoo is always picking up guys in the clubs, and jumping into r/s before even getting to know that person. At least he knows when to leave. Count it on bad luck that somehow he always get the wrong guy, but MD is not responsible for Chanwoo's choices

Chanwoo thought that saying no will make him lose MD. Not only did he lose the first person that he thought could be in a well and stable relationship with just a gew minuntes ago, now losing another reletevly stable person in his life? That was "concent". Not something he actually wanted to do.
Also, MD know Chanwoo enough in that context. The first time they met Chanwoo was drugged and nearly raped, but acted so calm that you can think he was used to it. MD watched him get in and out from one unstable relationship to another. Their relationship was stable but in Chanwoos perspective, the only stable relationship he had was with a business only rule. As a person that had all of that expirience, isn't it scary to take a stable relationship into a place you know as unhealthy?
And it's impossible to say MD was unawere to the abuse, since MD was so fully awere to Chanwoos mentality that he told him they should get together for Chanwoo's sake. One of the reasons was that he was worried. Being wortied and then... doing this:/
I'm not sayimg Chanwoo is innocent, but how can anyone ask for a person that was constently abused to be in that situation? He was driven to tears. No sexual situation should do that that yo a person, especially when MD was grinning every time he knew he made Chanwoo feel bad.

MD crossed boundaries THREE TIMES. He manipulated him into the play and consent which is impacted by conditions is not consent.
And Chanwoo is a victim of abuse and abuse impact psyche. It's all really simple. He was fragile after being just used and rejected and MD fully took advantage of that.

Exactly.... Thank you. I feel like talking with the wall. I don't know it these people are too young to understand obvious manipulation or abuse or just... Don't care. I don't understand.

preach

Read Momentum....
BJ Alex is horrible representation of BDSM.
Yeah seems legit. Hurt someone both mentally and physically, manipulate them, force to do things (under pseudo consent impacted by conditions) he doesn't want to and feel uncomfortable with, break them and make them do hings with the guy who JUST rejected him and used him. Seems legit. This method should be used more frequently *sarcasm*.
And he did that as I said just after he was rejected and used by his new pseudo bf. He took full advantage of that.

You're right, MD is aware of the abuse and even warned Chanwoo to stop jumping into r/s so easily and haphazardly. And chanwoo's fear to losing his r/s with MD because it was the only stable one, how on earth do you expect MD to know how he feels if Chanwoo does not share this with him? He always brushes things off regarding his emotional well-being with his personal relationships.

Yeah.. And MD is supposed to know all this through his telepathic abilities

He is experienced Dom and even a random reader can see how Chanwoo is uncomfortable... What are we even talking about. He saw how abused Chanwoo was in the past.

I guess that's another perspective to look at things, and I hope you are right and MD will learn and that his actions came from a different point of view. I could be wrong of course, that's how the story came through to me for now. I might change my opinion later on and I hope I will. As I've seen it, thought, MD was enjoying himself. He had fun with it. And it's actually more sinister in comparition to Alex, that was unreasonable due to his anger. MD was caculating all along and enjoing it as well. He was awere to the situation and the weight of his actions. That's atleast how I took when I saw the smiles he had everytime he looked at Chanwoo. That is why I believe he won't learn. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
I agree this is way healthier then the other BDSM stories out there. That's actually why I'm disapointed. If it was any other story I probably wouldnt cared, but they had a great thing going.

But MD was smiling, he knew what he was doing LMAO

Can you give Chanwoo a chance to speak for himself next chapter? No one knows themself better than the person themself. You can’t expect MD to act clear-mindedly after being rejected like that, who can? It doesn’t excuse what he did, but its up to Chanwoo to decide what to do next because at least MD isn’t the kind of man who would emotionally manipulate Chanwoo into going out with him, he doesn’t even know he has feelings for him yet.

Totally. I really wanted MD to help him especially knowing how good MD in reading people and how focused he was about Chanwoo. I really hoped he'll back down sooner:/

I'm actually so scared of momentum cause it seems tragic and I'm scared XD Am I missing out?
And yes honestly I'm so sad that happend cause up till now they had such a great relationship;___; The mains were rotten from the start, but this was goodd I'n frusterated.

It's yaoi. Of course he will forgive him and we will pretend nothing bad happened.

I sincerely recommend. It's good but you are right it's rather heavy title at times. But really poetic and mature one.

I'll check it out aginst my better judgement then XD thanks~

Now I'm even more scared XD I need some mental preperation before going into it XD

Of course bad things happen? Why would Chanwoo ever pretend nothing that emotionally scarring happened to him? Ofc course he’ll still think about it even if the author doesn’t show it jesus but U AINT CHANWOO. Yes its yaoi but I’m gonna firmly say that a) Chanwoo couldve left the moment he hated it period. Just because you were digusted by that and wouldn’t forgive it doesn’t mean that Chanwoo wouldn’t. BJ MD better be prove he’s sorry for that play, yes People change and people also have have flaws. Please keep that in mind

Lmao well I guess MD smiling comes from his sadist side after all (don’t come for me i don’t actually know if there’s much of a difference between being a sadist and a dom). (I’ve seen some crazy sadist stuff, there were some that just loved dominating and humiliating their sub to the max and another where it was so violent that I thought the sub needed to go to the hospital after their “play.”) (btw the ones I’m talking about is one where a sadistic girl tells a masochistic boy to jump into the school pool naked. And the other one was the uke wasn’t actually too into pain, liked it tho, gave consent, but the sadist guy literally was so into it he smashed the uke’s head into the floor maybe a couple times). I do of course know that MD took it too far, but I believe his intentions were to let Chanwoo decide for himself to stop their relationship.

Literally I have no strength. Chanwoo is just fictional character so even if he cut off his arm and author would write he wi forgive him... It would be like that.
Abuse shouldn't be ever justified.
We have to point out it was manipulative and abusive behaviour.
But his consent was impacted by threat. You seriously don't see it.

So you are a believer that you can do anything for "greater" good? And who MD is to be entitled to play with Chanwoo and manipulate him like that even if his intentions were good.
And it wasn't about being sadistist. He clearly enjoyed the situation.

Oh, that's great you know that it was too fae cause there are some that just totally chose to think this is just fine... which is sad. I agree that the next chapter will determine more about their relationship and I might have reached here and there but I don't think MD can make up for everything he did. Just from my point of view. Either way I hope they'll be happy and healthy~

Also WTF did you read oh boiXDDD

Bro. I never even said that. See this is the whole problem with assuming things, words that were never made were suddenly pressed onto me. And I dunno if you know what a sadist is but it basically is a person who enjoys seeing someone in pain, humiliated, cry, etc. so that’s pretty much just being a sadist (aka enjoying it)

He was sadistic but sadism wasn't main point why he was smirking. He smirked also in cafe.

A sadist is a type of person who enjoys seeing those stuff, it doesn’t have to be an adjective or noun. He may naturally enjoy seeing someone in certain situations that others normally wouldn’t like seeing.

Ok I agree but it looks like his sadism was mainly focuse on Chanwoo. It didn't look like he enjoyed humiliating the other guy.
It looks more like grudge/plan being fulfiled than pure sadistic reasoning

Lmao maybe it’s cause MD doesn’t care one bit about the other guy. MD definitely doesn’t like the old sub, his focus was mainly on chanwoo. Ehh I don’t know too much how sadism works, I guess it’s like a fetish? Ex: if someone’s got a fetish for toes, they probably aren’t gonna like just any toes, maybe special ones. Lol pardon my gross example, anyways I’m just gonna read DG and Jiwon’s fluffy moments again so my mind isn’t too focused on people fighting in the comments section

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Thank you~~

true (〜￣△￣)〜 the most satisfying part was when gintoki turned drunken hijikata down (︶︿︶) normally, mcs would just have a go for it lmao

Yessse I was so happy! That made the story 200% better:DDD

If im right did the MC destroyed the princess vajayjay using his magic? (yes i said vajayjay) if so thats bat shit crazy......... And loving it..... Im still hoping to know what happened to casandra or sandra i forget. Tye captain of the guard or something..... I feel pity for her.

I think here romance will be different, that's why I need it XD

I want a messy romance too, but not with the princess. More like, with someone like a partner in crime. A person on path of revenge as well. Similar expressions too. ~~

That would be great too :DDDDD I hope we get it

Meee too. That would be freaking awesome. Maybe even compete in who gets the best revenge. Oh, the possibilities. ( ° ʖ °)

I think he'll have some form of romance with the GODDESS. She's the one in the cover right. I think the princess is dead - or she will be.

Unfortunately, the princess is on the cover. About the goddess, I don't think being a couple with the MC will work. He does not seem to like her in any way. Unless a new character appears, no romance will make sense at the moment.

Hot damnn. Thank you.
At least he be getting revenge doe.

I know a manga like that ^-^ Its nice

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/nidome_no_yuusha/
Here it is! It only has 11 chapters so far though... I'm so exited to see what happens in this story as well.

Just read it. It is perfect. Two heads plotting revenge is better than one.

Ikr! Its a fun and amazing read. I'm looking forward to all the ways they will get their revenge :D

We needs updates ASAP.

same here #－.－) I've been waiting for a little while, I'll go check and see if there is any sort of schedule for updates

the last few updates have been quite sparse, with the last one being on April 1st. If it continues on this trend, we shouldn't expect an update anytime soon. I'll look around for something to read in its place that has a better update schedule.

I loved got, so the fight for power is not the problem at all. Also, the story never seemed unrealistic to me from that point of view, my only problem when we talk about realism was the second prince's character, which is kind of all over the place.
The real problem to me, tho, is the characters that are unlikeable for their personalities, not their choices. They are really unlikeable XD I have a really hard time trying to find a redeeming personality traits for anyone. It makes the reading not enjoyable and makes me not care. Maybe in the long run the story will improve but for now things are not looking great.

Wow that's one hell of a question. Ahmmm I'm fine with the dark things like saezuru tori wa habatakanai, and I also enjoy simple minded shoujo/josei - the only one that comes to mind rn is mangaka to yakuza? It was really something else XD
But if we are speaking of something with a more similer note to this one, maybe the villainess reverse the hourglass, when the pretty awful female lead is rivaling with her much worst sister that killed her in their prevoius lives. Or maybe the feel of king maker (first season tho, the second is not at the same level) in which the characters face an awful villain that ruined all of their lives so much that it's impossible not to get behinde them. Or the character dynamic in raisawa tanin ga il, that is great cause the leads are one the same side but not. Also as much is we go into the plot the characters become more rotten and that is greattt.
Anyway all of those last menstions included anti heros that are very likeable from all kinds of reasons/maintained the readers through other means, and honestly I think here they tried to go with an anti hero theme but failed.

Raisawa tanin ga il is so good it's illigal ;____; I need an update fast. And I want romance but scared at the same time XD ML such trash I hate that I love him.

Are you talking about the 300 chapters one? Cause omg I am terrefied of starting things as long as thisXD

Yeah I wounder too. Well I hope we get some updates soon! I can't wait;_;

Never got to read something so long in mangaland. it didn't got stale, lost the original plot or streatched too far? :0000

Oops I guess I was unclear ^^' I mean usually when stories are this long they are going stale or something, I meant to ask if you read all the chapters and if the number of chapters didn't influence the quality or something XD

Ohhhh ok, so I'll check it out. Thanks for the reccomandation! ^^