I especially like this manhwa cause i can see my own flaws in characters despite the cliché plot but the character development is relatively in manhwas strong. This manhwa shows Traumatized characters who have been neglected in childhood and the inability to express themselves very well. The despair, the depression the obsessive attention seeking. Its heavily dramatised but thats totally relatable.
But i have a big problem:
Does people even read the story? There is rape as its taged at the fucking beginning but there wasn't even a single scene romanticizing rape. In all of the story the characters and author all label it rape. Even hee seo is doing that because he want tae kyung to hate him not to show his love. The characters and we all know its rape and its another thing i really like about this manhwa.
They are both traumatized and problematic in showing affection and there is a chain of misunderstanding that lead them to do horrible thing to eachother. Both characters know how cruel the things they did are and are actively showing regret. Yes there is some baits for making plot more dramatic that i wish there wasn't but they are addressing the rape all the time and work to make peace without ignoring that or sugarcoating the traumas and injuries.
How could you talk about rape in intimate relationships without showing it?
And beside all of this if you read things because you want to see how bad they are why complaining about why someone is writing this stories? You are the reason cause people like you are here just because there is abusive behaviour and sex not following character in their journey to cope with their trauma which you should seek in storytelling.
I couldn't agree with you more, I really like this manhwa because of the reasons you explained before, and I think most of the people in the comments are giving it more importance to the rape or abuse than the story itself when the story is much more than just abuse
Yes! I hope more people read your comment!
Here we go again, people who read the pearl boy and now are complaining about the SA. Truly unbelievable
Nanjoo is even more upset than twink when they were exposed. WTF man, chill let him fuck you properly
I think Nanjo’s like the person who can’t accept their feelings easily yk like tsundere or smth
Exactly and im pissed by that attitude
People all fucking mad about jaekyung and still reading this? I don't get it. Both have so much flaws and are developing why all this hate. Dan -fully aware- sold himself and the buyer was harsh with him. Technically it wasn't rape, he is a twisted bastard but you cant label every sick relationship rape.
Again i dont say its a good relationship and he should have stayed or he should love him. For me Its just a story of people learning about how to be a relatively better person i dont understand the mad people reading this just to hate characters.
im not reading this i dropped this a while ago. just wanna say jaekyung is a rapist since he raped dan while he was under the influence of drugs (correct me if I'm wrong its been a while), also coercion is definitely rape. i mean yall can read it and like it whatever but he's a rapist, that's just a fact.
The internet is a truly beautiful place when you realise someone will spread wisdom while correct also being called gojos cock sleeve
But yeah seconding this; a good portion of people also read this to hate-read.
Jaekyung is a rapist, and all round piece of shit. Coercion isn't even the worst of it; he actively treated Dan like he was below human for most of their time together. Even beyond the jinx he had, he'd treat Dan as an outlet for his repressed emotions.
No one is saying you can't like what you read, but if you have to convince yourself (to op) that Jaekhyung wasn't absolute scum to Dan, then that's on uou.
Lol non it's Dan who did it when Jk was drunk
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He is a absolute scum but not the evil rapist people like to see him. It was a consensual contract. The only act of him that you can say didn't have dan's consent was calling that actor which i dont remember his name. That was a disrespect and a shitty move that you can never forgive but not rape.
On the other hand it was Dan who tried to do things outside of this contract that jk wasn't aware of it or content with it.
Im not trying to sugarcoat jk and make him a nice person. I just say dan totally knew the acts and consequences and chose this fucked up relationship and when he wasn't content anymore he ended it, so how can you say he is a rapist? Im totally on dan's team exactly because he is not a totally useless victim and i honestly hate that jerk, jk. but you must admit he is not a rapist by any means. And it wasn't coercion, there was no force or threat it was a fully aware decision for money.
I just dont like this trend of calling every problematic character rapist and spreading the hate.
And If my memory is lacking pls correct me.
Thx u !!! even if u don't like him u know how to read and don't choose what u please.....
let me explain it!! also I suffered through rereading some parts of jinx for u so I need a thanku please ALSO I'm not trying to excessively hate on jaekyung I have nothing against him, he's a lot tamer than other shitty male leads but i just wanna explain some stuff about how he's a rapist.
anyway, in chap 3 of jinx jaekyung and dan make their first deal. jk offers him 5k dollars for one night of sex. dan says okay. when they're about to start though, dan says he can't do it and wants to stop. jaekyung threatens to beat him up if he leaves. dan, scared, agrees to go on. let's remember that consent is like fries= freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic and specific. here the consent was neither freely given, nor enthusiastic. consent is reversible, can be taken back at any time, and dan does try to take it back but he's threatened with violence so he doesn't. that's just plain rape, there's no way around it.
even if they have a contract, it is to have sex. does the contract say that jaekyung can rape dan whenever he wants to? no, it says he can have sex with him. the difference between sex and rape is the presence of consent. consent is not a one time thing, u can't sign away ur rights to consent. it's given every single time u wanna have sex, and u can say no anytime. otherwise, jk is literally just buying dan as a sex slave with no rights.
jaekyung rapes him multiple times after. like when dan is drugged off aphrodisiacs and jk knows that he's not in his right mind, he still thinks it'd be fun to rape him in that state. also, I'm sure there are multiple scenes where dan says no and stop but jk doesn't, and that's rape too. however, we can just say that's a norm in bl so I can look past that, but the other things are real.
I think I'm being too preachy rn I mean, its okay to enjoy jinx, it's just a little weird when people say he's not a rapist he's just rough when that's not it. sorry for the yap I hope this was informative though^^
you're sooooo wrong!!! they consented to do it anywhere and anytime, after that Dan wanted to take the time before starting he asked to take a shower and then to prepare himself JK say ok for every thing and Dan say "no" but he reminded him that he already say yes and let's it go. For the US Event, for JK Dan look like he was in a hurry to do it, bc after he know for the aphrodisiacs he was surpris ans understand why Dan look so invest this day. U say was always "rape" it's like u don't want see that he beginning to enjoy do it w Jk (that why he fall in love) ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
I'm sorry, even if u dispute all of the other things (which I don't agree with but anyway) chapter 3 is clearly rape? jaekyung doesn't 'remind' him he already said yes, he literally threatens him. he says if u go back on ur word I'm not gonna send u off home safe and sound. that's rape? as I said, consent can be withdrawn. please understand what consent is. I get that it's fiction it doesn't matter, but u should still know it's wrong. consent can be taken back any time. if dan said yes in the beginning and changes his mind later on, he has full right to do so. he only said yes because he was scared to get beaten up. that's not consensual at all? also, 'enjoying' the rape doesn't mean u aren't being raped. it's a physical reaction. this is literally the logic men use, if a woman climaxes then it's not rape. if a woman said yes in the beginning and changed her mind for some reason later on, it's not rape. legally, it's rape. end of the day these are fictional characters, calling them a rapist won't put them in jail.
references btw:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-245505/pg-1/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-245505/pg-1/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/jinx/uu/br_chapter-245505/pg-1/
When u enjoy, start to love this person and agree w this it's not rape ᕦ(ಠ_ಠ)ᕤ
Dan know what he do he already tall JK when he don't want something (like the liar jk make to bring Dan) and in the S1 leave (n bc of the sex) in S2 he say no to jk multi time. Sex never be the problem for Dan.
this is... really concerning. either you're very young or you're rage-baiting me idk. I'm just gonna explain things one more time, because ur views on consent seem to be genuinely warped. in chapter 3, dan agrees to having sex in the beginning. after he gets out of the shower, he tries to say no. which means he took back his consent. which is valid. u can always take back consent any point in time, and the other person is obliged to stop. it doesn't matter if you're a top or bottom, u can take back consent if u want to, its your right. dan says stop, jaekyung says if he asks him to stop he'll beat him up. dan is scared so he goes along. when jaekyung puts it in, dan again says stop. jaekyung tells him to shut up or he'll smash his head in. dan shuts up. that is coercion = threatening someone with violence so that they go along with what u want. coercion is rape. i don't care if u don't agree with this, that's a fact and u should search up more on it. u should search up about what consent is.
also, dan did not 'love' jaekyung in chapter 3. it was maybe his second time meeting him. jaekyung is literally the strongest MMA fighter, dan was scared of him. he was scared to get hit. he was raped, its okay to acknowledge that.
one more thing, even if dan 'fell in love' with jaekyung later on, that doesn't erase the fact that he fell in love with his rapist. we call his stockholm syndrome actually. this is all fictional, so its not that serious here, but I hope u don't extend the same views irl. please search up about what consent is for ur own good too. have a good day.
I never said that Dan was in love with JK from the beginning. of course at first he "forced" him. but if Dan really didn’t want to do it anymore they could have discussed it, and at this moment in the story JK would just change partners. dan, managed to go twice against JK. from the beginning it’s a matter of choices. after that you can no longer talk to me about "rape".because you describe this story by removing lots of factors..
for Stockholm syndrome, it is someone who falls in love with a person who imprisons them and where prevents them from leaving and having no other means, they fall in love with their captor. dan has the choice from the beginning. JK does not keep him captive. if dan falls in love with him it is because of the good actions of jk. while he has a bad temper...
In other hand Minwa greatly exaggerated jk’s anger, to make a contrast with season 2. there are many things that I found awkward from him. I do not excuse the violence in a couple,and she plays a lot on the codes of consent. but your vision is also extreme and you only take one part to make it your speech
I mean, dan did try to stop him thrice and jk told him he'd break his ankle, beat him up or smash his head in if he tried to back out so... but I'm glad u acknowledged that it's rape, that's what I was trying to explain. OP said jaekyung isn't an evil rapist when he literally is. that's all. I see the "sex" scenes they had in later chapters as rape too, but yall can have ur opinions. at least we agreed on the first thing though.
Seconding this;
How can Dan have a discussion with him if JK threatens physical violence? It just shows that JK is not mature enough to have a discussion so Dan must just suck up the pain.
Not to mention their contract creates a horrible power imbalance
Someone mentioned love; Just cause you love someone doesn't mean it's okay for someone to take advantage of you? I know that's not the topic at hand but I've seen people say that just cause Dan loves him it makes it more consensual?
If majority of the sex scenes start with "stop" or "no"; then it isn't consensual. Just cause Dan stops saying no doesn't mean he suddenly consents either???? It means he's given up trying to get through to him; because what else can he do? Slap the guy? Beat him up? He's a wrestling athlete with Dan's grandmother's life in his hands.
Also the premise of, "Dan signed a contract so he consents at all times <3" is so incredibly fucked. He signed a contract (to keep his grandmother alive and) to help with JK's Jinx; not to obey every single one of JK's sexual whims. JK doesn't have the right to treat him like absolute garbage yet he does. JK barely listens to him during sex. Just cause it's written with a yaoi filter on doesn't make it less fucked.
JK is still a horrible scummy person and just because he's slowly realizing he has a thing called "empathy" doesn't mean he isn't scummy and a dirt bag.
I'm gonna mute this chat now sorry if this reignited the discussion
no come back youre so right thats the point I try to convey too, that dan signed a contract to have sex with him and sex involves consent. but ykw its not worth arguing about it I just realised I'm literally talking to jinx fans what did I expect so yeah lets just shut up I always end up wasting so much time on here when nobody's actually here to learn smth and are just here to defend rapists and abusers who arent even real
Thank you in this case clearly my memory was lacking. I fully accept the rape here. we can call him a rapist. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Im gonna reread this every fucking day. God i need more and more
Everybody in the manhwa is a dumbass but i like the dynamic (●'◡'●)ﾉ
LMAO FOR REALLL GIRL
What the fuck was that arcane crossover?
What?