can someone give me spoilers for ch 61 raw?
thanks but i meant a translation
My bad, I would spoilers too! ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
idk if someone else has said this but the moles on his face are asymmetrical cuz his wings were asymmetrical
Haesoo's face when his mom says it cant be Joowon... ╥﹏╥ im not gonna let myself get invested in this story tho cuz i really dont know who he will end up with and im only here for it if he is with Joowon
People be raving about how amazing Taku is in this ch but what I heard was that he thought he would Haesoo easy and his motives for getting close come off as verrrrry ambiguous. Also not that he even loves Haesoo, just that he is starting to like him. like and love are 2 very different things. This ch made me very skeptical of Taku and why he got close to Haesoo to being with. After rereading up to ch 12 it gave me a really new perspective of Taku that was not pretty. It seems like he wants to get close to Haesoo because its entertaining and he wants to photograph him...idk just how I'm seeing it. I don't think Taku is the amazing guy a lot of people are making him out to be
like i was never on his team but i was pretty neutral about him before but the "i love you" shit is so shallow. there is no way that he sees his relationship with haesoo as anything more than a good time for right now. imo taku is playing haesoo. and fuck people that joowon hate on joowon and say he is a bad person or selfish or whatever. like yeah he isnt perfect but he sincerely loves haesoo and has always been there for him. there relationship is very complex but i really admire his loyalty and how much he treasures haesoo.
Yes, Jowoon has remained closed off, as both characters are majorly impacted by Haesoo's mothers comments, but Taku honestly seems manipulative. He's really inserted himself into those two's lives, is meant to be in Korea for a short time, and his relationship with Haesoo is so weird, from sending him his sex tape, to then suddenly declaring his love for him, after a couple of sex scenes? What exactly are his motives, as any love at this point seems so shallow, is he wanting to play some voyeur in Haesoo and Jowoon's taboo relationship?
It doesn't help that Haesoo is an unreliable narrator, but it's a messy story at the end of the day, filled with messy characters, and looks like Leo is about to stir the pot too. Wonder what happened to that Cartier ring also lol.
also not to mention that taku was first intrigued by haesoo's stories about his love affair with his brother.
and im not saying people cant have problems with Joowon, but he isnt the devil, he is not malicious, and he is not manipulative like taku is.
Agree, I didn't get the intense Jowoon hatred either, as if Haesoo is just a passive character in their relationship. Forgot about that scene, it really shows how determined Taku was to track this man down, and what does he do within knowing each other for a few hours, sends him his sex tape, and let's him watch a voyeuristic photography session. Then this immediately leads to Taku. Always. Being. There. And crossing professional boundaries, constantly pushing Haesoo to do a nude photoshoot.
how is Jaewoo and Haesoo's relationship toxic? Jaewoo clearly loves Haesoo, they went through some shit when they were younger which has caused both of them to be very immature about relationships but Jaewoo is realizing he cant keep pulling that shit. Haesoo is for some reason suddenly super into Taekyung. Haesoo's relationship with Taekyung is certainly more conventional but it seems only skin deep to me. there is history and real love with Jaewoo.
I am not trying to hate on anyone who likes Taekyung but I really dont like him with Haesoo, he seems pretty emotionless/bland to me. And one thing that I keep thinking about is who would be more hurt between Taekyung or Jaewoo is Haesoo were to leave them. the answer is undoubtably Jaewoo.
I personally think he will end up with Taekyung which would be a real shame to me because it would set back any character development for Jaewoo and Haewoo would just be taking the easy road/ignoring his past. also why even have this whole history and everything if in the end they just ignore it. idk just my thoughts, people are free to like Taekyung he just doesnt do it for me.
the think is taekyund and haesoo seem to be whats best but like jae something being a whole dady sooo. i feel like the earlier chapter it looked like jae dude was being toxic and taking advantage of him like in the car but then now i feel like hes actually serious and its just that the two are scared of showing emotions
their relationship early on to me was consensual but they were just both angsty and immature from their history together. and i hate it when people establish a history/relationship between two people only to have the mc get with someone else. feels like such a tease. i used to really be into this manga but now i wanna see how it ends but im not invested in it
Anyone that has you picking the skin around your fingers to thr point you bleed, adds to your anxiety and dont care about your relationship with your mom or being honest about anything is toxic to me.
bro thats true but like he cares and also haesoo is always stressed like someon just needs to take hime to like see a llama or some shit
im such a sucker for back stories
Not me, I'm more realistic. Just because you've known someone longer and have love for each other doesn't mean you need to be together
casually rips heart.
does it mean you have to be together? no. does it make a better story? yes.
But we've all already seen that type of stories before. This is different and a breath of fresh air. So it's quite intriguing to me. And it does not make it a better story it just makes it cliche because we all know life and love does not work that way.
Well, for one, Haesoo is and was hardly ever happy with Joowon, he was so stressed he literally bit his nails to the point they were bleeding, and not to mention we hardly ever saw him smile. In fact, the first time we see haesoo genuinely smile is with taekyung, on multiple occasions as well. I dont know about you but i love when characters are happy, smiling, and actually feel relaxed. So, that makes Taekyung the perfect person, he makes haesoo feel safe, feel loved, feel confident, feel calm, feel happy, feel so much good. And omg, in that one chapter where haesoo was feeling very very stressed, (because of joowon, if i might add) the way Taekyung helped him destress and allowed all of haesoos pain to melt away and just embraced him, talked to him, and comforted him, just melted my heart and caused me to adore Taekyung so so so much more.
i personally have never read a story like this before, and my point still stand of why build a history between two people if it is going to be irrelevant in the end. this story is not chliche no matter how it ends which is one reason why i was into it. but again, i feel lust between haesoo and taekyung, not love.
I never said this story was cliche. I said the types of story you want or implying you want is cliche. Not this story. And of course, every relationship initially starts off as lust and curiosity for everyone but it is starting to become more than that between them now.
well we dont actually know how it ends yet so based on what youre saying if he ended with jaewoon this story would be cliche, but i disagree. i think no matter who haesoo ends up with the story is not cliche. just because a character get with someone they have an established relationship with does not make a story cliche. thats like saying game of thrones had a good ending because no one expected it even though it made no sense and had no build up in previous seasons. you cant just establish a plot line and then abandon it in an attempt to not be cliche. and no not every relationship starts from lust. in fact, i would argue that most do not start with lust. certainly what haesoo and taekyung have can develop, but i still dont see the point in having jaewoo as a character if he is just going to be left behind. as far as i can see this story is just going to end in his heartbreak, which is a real pity because i think his character has a lot of potential. i do not think taekyung as a character has a lot of potential. i understand that a lot of people enjoy taekyung and haesoo, i just dont. i think that the story will suffer if they end up together since jaewoo and haesoo's history has been so played up. i do think that haesoo with end up with taekyung but again, to me its a side romance, its something that developed outside of the main story plot line. there have been stories where the mc does not get with the person they have history with but that is done when 1. the story starts with them meeting the new person and the history is developed later. and 2. the person they have history with has moved on in some capacity. this story does neither and has set jaewoo up to be an unfulfilled plotline. like what you want, im just saying jaewoo makes more sense based on the story thus far and that no matter who haesoo ends up with its not a cliche story (also i would much rather have a cliché story than one that doesnt make sense)
I'm just going to say that just because Jowoon had more history with Haesoo does not mean they have to be together. So what if they have been together for so long? What does that matter? How many relationships have I seen where people have been together or have had history with their partner for years and they end up breaking up or finding someone else they loved more or was attracted to more within such short time spans. It happens so much am surprised you are questioning something like this happening in this story. History with a person means shit when it come to human emotions and attraction.
Also I have not watched Games of Thrones so I have no idea what you are referencing but I never said that if Haesoo ended up with Jowoon that this story would become cliche. You assumed I said that. What I meant with my use of the word cliche is that many, many stories have plots where the main character goes back to the toxic behaviour because suddenly their partner has had a change of heart and saw the errors of his ways when really he hasn't and just doesn't want to lose his toy. I'm personally sick of those types of plots.
listen, i have no idea why you are taking this so seriously and you def implied that if he ended up with joowon it would be cliche and you totally have a right to think that, i just disagree. you can like taekyung more, i just disagree. i have never said that just because they have history they have to be together. you assumed i said that. i didnt even imply it. i said i would prefer them to be together because when you set up a plot line you should follow through with it, thats like story telling 101. but who knows, maybe they will end the story in a dif way that ties up their history. and i do not think joowon has ever seen haesoo as a toy. idk. however, to me in my opinion, it would make more sense to be with joowon. i would prefer him to be with joowon. but you are free to like who you like. at this point i have literally no idea what you are trying to accomplish with your comments cuz it just sounds like youre trying to shut people who dont agree with you down.
Why would I want to shut people down who don't agree with me? Did I say anything in particular like curse you off etc. that makes you imply that? I am just invest in the story. And yes I do like Taekyung because he is a much better and straightforward guy the Jowoon. Most of all he is not toxic to Haesoo. But I would still be happy with the outcome if Haesoo ended up not choosing any of the guys because he needs to focus on himself and his own mental state and well-being. And I am a writer and just because the character is part of a plot line does not mean you canont kill them off or get rid of them later on in the story. The author most of the time doesn't care what the reader wants. And everyone has their own way of storytelling. So no it is not storytelling 101 as you say. We, as readers, can either decide to continue reading despite what route the story takes or stop reading.
And another reason why I am invested in this story is because I can on many levels understand Haesoo and how he has just gotten so tired of Jowoon and his bullshit. They, 've been together for 10 years and in all those 10 years nothing changes and it remains to be toxic. This year alone I have gotten to the point that I have gotten tired of people's bullshit and have cut them out of my life after I have have gotten enough. Whether close or not if you are bringing bullshit and stress to my life and mental wellbeing I will cut you off and have done this to my own brother. So I can understand where Haesoo is coming from on a personal level and how Taekyung who is so straightforward and knows what he wants, may seem like a breath of fresh air to him. Because like I said I have been experiencing the same thing in my own personal life and history be damn, I am not stressing myself and putting up with people's bullshit and toxicity for something as silly as having a history with them.
no you didnt curse at me, but what made it feel like you were trying to shut this all down was firstly you saying haesoo getting with joowon would be cliche.(i know you said that thats not what you meant but if you were not trying to imply that then why bring it up at all, other stories are completely irrelevant when we are talking about a specific story). then you seemed like you were really coming at me for suggesting that having history is basis for a relationship. i never said "they have history so they have to get together" i said "they have history so for me it would make more sense for them to get together and i hate it when authors build up a history to just completely drop it". and if you are a writer than you should absolutely know that you dont build a plot line just to abandon it. sure you can end it in an unexpected way so long as it makes sense (kill them off, make them evil, whatever) but you dont just drop it or change established facts to have an unexpected or unconventional story. that would be bad storytelling. i mean yeah i mean every writer has their own way of telling a story but there are also bad writers (not saying you are one, i would have no clue ive never read your stuff). like game of thrones. last 3 seasons: bad writing.
the problem is that you and i have fundamentally different images of joowon and taekyung. i do not think joowon is toxic. i think he is going through an inner struggle just as much as haesoo. i think his life is shaped around haesoo and he genuinely loves him and is growing as a person to be able to express that. i am invested in joowon as a character. i am not invested in taekyung. i see where you are coming from, i just dont agree. its all a matter of personal perception and i just dont think we will ever agree with each other on this.
Totally agree, I couldn’t have said better
I get that they are supposed to be reincarnated but does that mean they have to look exactly the same? they are supposed to be aboriginals in the past yet they are asian/fair skinned. they could have made them keep certain characteristics while also making them actually look aboriginal. just a thought ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Its not that deep
yeah its a manga but i just feel like if youre gonna try to use another culture/race as a key aspect of the story you should probs represent that culture accurately. its not a big deal, just kinda annoying
I totally agree with you.
The author didn't have to use the aboriginal culture. The story could work if everything happened in Korea. But if you are going out of your way to bring in another race and culture you could also try to make it a bit accurate.
Definitely bothered me too; it’s complete erasure actual aboriginal people. Story would have worked without this whitewashed backdrop and in another more appropriate setting - say something geographically and culturally closer to Korea like Mongolia/Manchuria