Yujin starts as a pos and ends up growing as a person to be able to be with Sian. At the same time Sian can only be with Yujin because she wants to change herself. Yul is regression and Yujin is progression, It’s not high art but it’s very intentional that Yujin starts bad and gets good.
This is genuinely a happy ending for Yul. He has grown since he last saw her because she was kind enough to “forgive” him so he can move on. The ending in real life would be jail, lmao.
For people who are lost - Nene has come back to the year Hanako turned 4. She meets an older Hanako who has also been sent back to this year (unclear how/why yet). He remembers meeting Nene before and makes the connection that she is about to meet 4 year old Hanako and spend time with him - this is currently a closed time loop so memories with Nene now are retained between baby Amane and older Amane.
She’s here to protect baby Amane from the clock keepers so she can return to her original timeline.
I have a theory that the cat we met in the past chapters was the Amane that's trying to change the future and I might have guessed he's trying to save Tsukasa but failed, then he became the clock keeper servant because of him going insane from trying to change the future. I kinda have a theory he also used the hourglass thingy, but we don't know yet
You Hanbit for being a brotherfucker, I hate him because he is annoying. We are not the same.
seriously… “i-i font have feelings for him” and i’m fucking sangwoo
I’m older than the MC and it feels SO uncomfortable reading all the “he’s my son” stuff. Bro was touching this 16 year olds abs and blushing, like hello? It’s giving skeevy old man energy This isn’t quite an Usagi drop situation but this 26 year old man is occasionally having to control his urges over a 16 year old boy!!! Age up Abyss and age down Prince and this wouldn’t be an issue. It’d be kind of silly and funny if a 20-21 year old was proclaiming he was a 17-18 year olds dad, you know? MC is already a mega genius so it’s not like it’s an unrealistic change and you could make it work for a time skip where Abyss is now older than Prince. You can still make him a twink -> slightly larger twink from 18-26 for instance (18-year old boys often still have a lot of bulking up or even growing to do). At the very least just don’t have your much older MC have creepy moments with their currently underaged future lovers. Author keeps highlighting the age gap and dad talk which makes their future relationship that much more uncomfortable to consider. (For reference, I like Prince and would not hate his behaviour if Abyss was of age or he was younger. This is an author decision issue).
I literally have a shrine to Seto Kaiba and I still think this man is a freak (affectionate)
Hanbit - You know we’re just helping each other out there are no feelings here
Also Hanbit - Omg Woojoo
I’ve not caught up since the returning to the capital boat chapters but timeskip Abel is so stupid that it’s making this hard to read. I feel like before the timeskip there was evidence he understood more than he let on and, as the adult in the situation, his choice to protect and later die for the prince was a calculated one because he knew he was the only one who could protect him. Now it feels like he lost all of those layers and he’s just an optimistic idiot with no depth. It feels like the tone has changed from mostly serious at the start with some funny moments to comedic with few serious moments is throwing off some of the characterisation for me. Honestly, I wish this were just a childcare manhwa rather than a BL because those chapters were definitely the peak of the story for me.
(also given the novel spoilers I don’t think the ML is very cool either, lmao)
No.. you're not wrong to think he's stupid but I think it'd be more accurate to say he's naive? Even before his reincarnation he grew up away from civilization and spent most of his time in the forest with his master. Actually it's because he's so naive that he was able to connect with the young prince because he belived there's good in everyone. That didn't change even when he got reincarnated it just got worse.. even when faced with war and reality he's still choosing to be naive and ignore the hard truth in front of him, to be clear I'm not saying he doesn't think bad people exist it's more so he has this specific qualities that make a person good and good people should deal with bad people? I'm not sure exactly how to put it
I think my issue is that his nativity feels odd after seeing his character pre-timeskip. He came across as a bit bumbling at times but in a reasonable way where he obviously wouldn’t understand how to navigate a conversation with a duke given his background (honestly the yapping gave me ADHD vibes which would’ve been interesting to explore but I digress). But he never seemed like a person who had no idea about anything going on around him. He understood the world in his own way - that the prince was in pain and in danger, that he was being slowly killed because of his relationship with the prince, that he COULD help and he was certain of it. He might act silly but under that silliness was an adult who was able to fend for themself to an extent. Once he ended up in the twink body he was suddenly a character who seemed to have no idea what was going on. It’s forgivable to not understand stuff when you first end up in a new body but he seems incapable of internalising information given to him even after being in that body for an extended amount period. The tone changed, like I said originally, to skew more comedic so this grown man isn’t taking obvious advice from people seriously. I can under that he has gone from a character with agency and physical prowess protecting a weaker person to becoming that weaker person but it has also weakened him as a character for me. He now has to totally rely on other people due to his new constitution while before he was reliable to others. How much of his previous characterisation was actually just naivety that I mistook for well-placed confidence in his own abilities and understanding of the situation even if that understanding was skewed. If this is a conscious choice of the character to pretend bad stuff isn’t happening then I just don’t think they are for me because I couldn’t see that in the text
I do think it’s both naivety and well placed confidence considering in his past body he had the constitution to handle what present him can not. Another factor would be because everyone around him is trying to keep a secret, even in his past life he’s pretty oblivious to what people around him are actually thinking and misunderstood their intentions until it slaps him in the face. It could also be because he has no knowledge of the people of status or anyone from the palace which is also a factor considering he was basically isolated. I think he does know but because he has no basic knowledge who is who he hasn’t fully understood and also because he knows he’s weak he has to be more careful in order not to be a burden to the people around him
Christ, I was abused by my irl parents and I still think Lydia needs more grace from the audience. In my real ass life my parents have never tried to make amends for what they did to me. At least this woman is trying! I even like that she is too overbearing and fucks up at times - if she were just immediately reformed and perfect like it was that easy it would be a disgrace to her victim. Unlike most other OI’s with abusive parents who are reformed she isn’t working on herself because her daughter changed personality - SHE fucked up and she knows it. She is throwing everything into this and fuck me would I have appreciated that sort of love from my family.
EXACTLY
She's an imperfect character who screwed up and is trying
That doesn't immediately mean she's a saintess, but it also doesn't mean we should just hate her
People ask for characters with depth, but absolutely can't handle it when they get one
If she was the MC she wouldn’t get nearly this amount of flak, I swear. She’s literally going through a redemption arc right now of her own volition. If we don’t allow bad people to ever be redeemed then what’s the point of them atoning in the first place?
THANK YOU!!!, I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE BEGGINING!!! there's like a billion time return manhwas were the MC was a horrible human and then tries to redeem themselves after returning but no one seems to ever bring up any of the bad things they did since they're too busy fangirling over the romance
Beginning* sigh ~ I hate the comment section interface on this damn website
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Oh yeah, I just want to make it clear that if Lyrica remembers her previous life and didn’t want to forgive her mother that would be SO fair. She wronged her daughter and she is not owed forgiveness from her victim (although Lyrica is a saint so she probably would anyway). I’m just saying that as an audience we shouldn’t hate her with such vitriol when she is trying her damndest to right those wrongs. I appreciate seeing an abuser genuinely try to atone. I prefer Lyrica overcoming her messy, complicated, overbearing, mother over a one-dimensional villain mother. I hope they both end up happy.
i know, but this woman should not be around her daughter. You talked about disgracing the victim, but maybe I'm crazy for thinking this (I'm not since even the law agrees with me apparently) she should not be around her daughter. This woman was a drunk deadbeat who physically abused her for ages, made her own 8 year old daughter work to support them, emotionally abused and neglected her. And after just one day she just magically changed and everything is supposed to be forgiven because that little girl who wanted to be loved so bad, forgave her because her mommy said she loved her. No. This little girl deserved to have new parents who didn't have a history of abuse and wouldn't lash out at her.
I mean, in the real world children who are in foster care or even as far as being actively adopted can be returned to their birth parents if they put in the work. I’ve had a family member lose out on adopting a child for this very reason.
I’m 100% with you that Lyrica should not be with Lydia in the first timeline but my argument is that Lydia is trying very hard and is not a perfect human being. Like I said, if she was immediately perfect and didn’t make mistakes then that would be an issue to me. You don’t go from timeline 1 Lydia to reformed with no bumps along the way - that shouldn’t be possible and would be unbelievably unrealistic. Being a good parent is not something that naturally comes to MANY people and Lydia is unlearning a lot of shit. This isn’t the modern day and she can’t exactly go to classes to learn this! Lyrica never deserved any of this (no child does) but the same as the real world we should not try to separate loving families if they’re not irreparably dysfunctional which they unequivocally pass at this point.
but her method of change is just love bombing someone who can't realize that she has more worth.
That’s a very unfair assessment of the situation. I’m going to skip past the obvious 180 in their living situation - look at the recent hunt arc. Lydia who was going to kill Lyrica’s follower instead stops and follows her daughter’s lead. Lyrica shows her mother she is capable and Lydia shows she has learnt from her past mistakes. Previously, she would’ve definitely forced them apart and she definitely would have if Lyrica hadn’t have stepped in. We need to allow her to have these moments of growth where she realises that Lyrica is an autonomous person who does not need constant oversight.
Just recently she is disappointed that Lyrica goes to meet her bio father and has some unkind thoughts but she does not reflect them in how she treats her child. Trust me, many people have unsavoury thoughts and feelings they choose to not express in the real world. This is a character with so much humanity and a surprising amount of reality embedded into her writing. It would be a true shame to never allow this sort of character to exist.
She even waited until this chapter to talk to Lyrica’s kinda boyfriend when she could’ve interfered far earlier and gotten rid of him if she felt so inclined. It wouldn’t even be unjustified by that society’s standards given he is the son of an actually irredeemably evil woman who could easily be out to hurt Lyrica.
What I’m saying is you can see her growth and her change in many ways. Classifying it all as love bombing is just dismissive and untrue. You might not like her change but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.