Joubim's Topics (56)

I agree with everything you said and for "what more could you possibly ask from Her ?", maybe communication? Since both of them don't have what they call ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Well yes, you're right about that. Hadn't thought of it!
But apart from that, if I were a man, I wouldn't have any objections to marrying her.

Me too, but i am not gonna lie, i hate when she never finishes Her conversations and leave like that. As if it was a sort of mechanism of défense To not admit she is not in the right ╮(￣▽￣)╭

It IS frustrating

Litterally

Well, no matter how normal her clothes are, they still expose her cleavage. Cleavage and whatever can provoke men. It doesn't take a fancy, sexy dress to provoke a man. (〜￣△￣)〜

This story is just pointing out something that others don't take consideration of. You also have to consider the country they are at. If men are used to seeing women wear revealing clothes, they probably won't find it out of place.

However, being in the same room with a woman who wears revealing clothes could still provoke a man.

In the end, it depends on what type of men they are since there are many types of men out there.
Some are sensitive to this (Example: puberty or maybe the woman was someone he likes) while some might be blockheads ╮(￣▽￣)╭

There was also a scene in a story where a molester said "Blame yourself for wearing such revealing clothes.". I don't remember if that molester was drunk or not...

Anyways, the woman was just wearing a work suit, one of those tight skirts with leggings. Although it was just a work suit, she had proportion that are bigger than the usual. The skirt made her butt revealing; like, it follows the shape of her butt. Therefore, it attracted that molester because the shaped revealed was very curvy.
I think they were in a train and she was on the way to work. (=・ω・=)

Yeah but that's my point.
They're normalizing this idea that the woman should change what she wears so that she's not attacked.
Look, for example the male lead of this story is wearing a shirt and his muscles are bulging so much! He's definitely provoking her then. She should tell him to wear something baggy or she would be justified jumping him.
See what I mean?
There's a blatant double standard.
The rhetoric that the way someone is clothed determines whether or not they should be attacked is criminal. Like you said, exactly what a molester, aka a criminal would say to justify something he has no business doing.
At the end of the day, if you can't stop yourself from harassing or assaulting a woman, you are sick and should seek help.

Or any kind of person really, it's just that women are generally victims of this type of behaviour

Well, generally men are stronger than women. Women cover themselves as a way to protect themselves from the eyes of perverted men. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Even if a man wears tight clothes, the woman needs to be stronger than the man to attack him. However, if a woman wears revealing clothes, the man is strong enough to attack her. #－.－)

Since one cannot control the preparator, one can only do something to protect oneself.
ヾ(☆▽☆)

Thus, the guy in this story gave advice to her; to not wear such revealing clothes in front of men because it is dangerous.

Evidently, from the many stories, some of them show guys that could not control themselves/desires. Usually, the other person is someone he likes. (￣∇￣")

In many stories, we could also see that quite many people could not hold back their desires; whether it was greed, lust or jealousy. (￣ε(#￣)Σ

I'm not saying that preparator is not wrong. I'm saying that every human has desires they could not control. They are in the wrong when they cave into it (if that desire was a crime).（￣へ￣）

However, the victim gets affected when they caved into it. Therefore, in order to not get involve with the preparator's "losing to his desire" state. It is best the victim does something to avoid the "preparator losing to his desire" state altogether. (〜￣△￣)〜

Which is why, it is better for the woman(victim) to avoid wearing revealing clothes(do something to protect oneself). This is for the benefit of the woman, as that is the only thing she could change to avoid becoming a victim. #－.－)

One should "change" the "only thing one could change" in order "to protect oneself". Whoever doesn't do that, uhh... you got whatever is coming. (￣∇￣")

It's like: you know there is be a possibility of catching a cold if you are exposed to the cold weather. However, you did not dress warmly when going out in winter because you want to look good. So, you get whatever is coming; whether it is catching a cold, getting frostbite or freezing to death. (=・ω・=)

Criminals are at fault for comitting a crime. Not the victims. Men have brains. They should be expected to use them. They sure a fuck expect to be treated like they have one. They expect respect. To be political leaders. To be religious leaders. To be the head of a household. But seeing some chick's cleavage is supposed to be enough to break their ability to behave?

That's bullshit.

Adults are responsible for their actions. If they can't help themselves but to attack a woman because of what she is wearing, then they need to start wearing shock collars like disobedient dogs.

Okay. What the fuck. Your ENTIRE rant is claiming that the victim (the woman) needs to cover themselves and make sure to not wear anything they want, because if they do, a predator (the man in YOUR explanation) is going to attack. I’ve read all of your threads and your logic is flawed. This is not the caveman era. People have brains. They should be able to control themselves REGARDLESS of whether a man or woman is alone with them in a room. It is not the victims fault for wearing what they want, when they want, and where they want. The attacker is at fault. Point blank period. Do not victim blame or tell the victim to cover up, you should be saying that it’s disgusting and horrible of the attacker to do that. Clothes and proportions do not AT ALL warrant an assault or touching. Fix your logic. (╬￣皿￣)凸

What I just mention was something on the victim's part. I didn't say the criminal is not at fault. I'm saying the victim must do something to avoid getting assaulted. Once the deed is done, the victim gets negatively affected by it. ╥﹏╥

The victim doesn't have much power. The victim cannot stop the preparator since the preparator is not a part of the victim's body; the preparator is not something the victim can control. (〜￣△￣)〜

Thus, the only thing one could do to avoid becoming a victim is to change something on one's own side. In the molester story case, the victim could have worn a coat on the way to work. But, the victim probably didn't notice her way of dressing could be provoking. Thus, she could only create a prevention after learning of it. Unlike other people that get advice, she learned it the hard way. #－.－)

Even though one just goes about in their lives, one still needs to be aware of one's attractiveness. But, don't just be aware of it, be aware of the troubles it might bring and think up preventions to avoid getting involve in a crime. (=・ω・=)

It's called avoiding trouble skills. Do it if one wants to have a low possibility of encountering problems. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Your logic doesn't explain the number of women that have been raped despite dressing modestly.

https://today.tamu.edu/2019/11/19/what-were-you-wearing-exhibit-explores-sexual-violence-myth/

Even women in middle eastern countries that enforce modest dress for women still get raped. There was recently a scandal over the revelation of nuns getting raped and sexually assalted. Little girls who haven't developed yet get raped. Old women get raped. If a criminal wants to commit a crime nothing simple like dressing modestly will stop them. You are victim blaming. The clothes a woman wears are just a shitty excuse scumbags use to excuse their bad behavior.

So you’re saying that the best way to not be assaulted... is to be aware... that you can be assaulted... based on the clothes you wear. Dawg. Just stop. I’ve explained this before and I’ll explain it again. PEOPLE HAVE BRAINS. Yes it’s important to be AWARE. That’s why women don’t walk outside alone and why people carry pepper spray on them. But that doesn’t mean that they have to stop dressing the way they want. People are assaulted, touched, molested, raped, etc. for just being THERE. How are you gonna sit there and tell me that victims have to “cover up” or be “aware that their bodies are targets.” Dawg. No. That’s just an excuse to cover up horrible and disgusting behavior. Be better. (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

The woman could wear what she wants at home, when there are no outsiders inside the house. (〜￣△￣)〜

The part where I claimed "the woman had to cover up herself" is an advice. It is a skill to be aware of one's attractiveness, be aware of the troubles it may bring and make up preventions to avoid getting involve with trouble. This skill is called avoiding trouble skill.
(=・ω・=)

One integrates this skill if one wants to have a very low possibility of getting involve with trouble.(づ￣ ³￣)づ

It's not as if one could control the preparator like the limb of one's body. #－.－)

As I said, the preparator is wrong for caving into his desires that went against his reasons. I focused more on the victim because I care more about the victim. There is not much benefit from scolding the preparator because assaults are not something a normal person would do continuously throughout their lives. (⊙…⊙ )

Once public opinion scolds the preparator, that preparator would be ashamed and probably not do it again. However, there are other people out there that could become a preparator. ╥﹏╥

So, scolding the preparator doesn't do much in decreasing the amount of assaults. The only way to decrease the number of preparators and victims is to make the possibility of an assault happening decrease. (〜￣△￣)〜

It is to the victims' benefit to think up a prevention because they are the ones that get brunt of the incident. They get the brunt and it leaves a mark too. Whether the incident made them famous as "a person that was assaulted" or changed their relationship with anyone; they are the ones' that got negatively affected. ┗( T﹏T )┛

Therefore, if one wants to lower the possibility of becoming a victim in an incident, one should think up preventions. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Not everyone would not be nervous when facing a situation they never faced. (〜￣△￣)〜

Bringing pepper spray is also a prevention that has been thought up after being "aware of your attractiveness". ╮(￣▽￣)╭

If you want the lowest possibility of getting assaulted. Then, go for one that may have the biggest impact. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

The way one prevents incidents is one's own choice. I'm just giving the one that could be the most possible prevention against assaults. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Of course, one could also cover themselves up, learn self-defense and bring along self-defense tools every time they go out. (=・ω・=)

As I said. Covering yourself is a prevention. A prevention is just one of the many preventions one could take. (〜￣△￣)〜

In eastern countries, as everyone is dressing modestly, an evil preparator wants to find a prey! Just because they are dressing modestly, doesn't mean there is nothing underneath.
#－.－)

One knows people are getting assaulted around their area.
Then, the a prevention is to not go out alone. Be with at least 3 people or add in a strong guy. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

An evil preparator would choose an easy-looking prey to avoid getting caught easily.
#－.－)

Another one is carry around self-defense tools. But, this one could be useless as one may become nervous when it happens. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

So, the better prevention between the two is to not go out alone! Of course, one could also do both of them to be more secure.ヾ(☆▽☆)

However, if one dress immodestly among the many modestly dressed people, wouldn't an evil preparator be attracted to one that is already exhibit? ┗( T﹏T )┛

But you’re literally still JUST saying to 1. Cover yourself up. 2. Be aware that people will target your body so you should know that you have to not show them anything they could find attractive and 3. That “scolding” the perpetrator won’t do anything. Which I’m not saying 3. Is totally wrong however, I never suggested just getting mad and being like “oh no no mr rapist man, you can’t do that (づ￣ ³￣)づ,” I’m more for castrating them if they did something like that, BUT 1 and 2. Big no no for me. You’re still just victim blaming. I don’t care if you think it’s just “advice” you’re still saying that clothes = reason for being assaulted. But that’s not it. Can you explain why children are raped? Wearing children’s clothes? Can you explain why old women are raped? Wearing floral shirts and baggy pants? Can you explain why Muslim women are raped when a big part of their modesty and religious beliefs involve a hijab and full length clothing? Why are you so caught up on the belief that “avoiding the problem” equals wearing clothes that you may or may not even know if they find attractive?

So, you are saying that covering yourself is not a prevention from getting assaulted.

Okay, here is the thing. At first, I was talking about a normal person who could become an assault preparator. NOT AN ACTUAL CRIMINAL. (￣∇￣")

I only used that molester story to tell you that wearing revealing clothes can get one caught in THIS situation. (⌒▽⌒)

THIS molester chose her because her proportions could be seen just by glancing. It was attractive and the DRUNKEN MOLESTER chose her as it could be seen that her body shape is very curvy. Just to his taste. (╯°Д °)╯

So, isn't covering herself the biggest prevention from keeping this from happening in the future? Since it was HER ATTRACTIVENESS that made her attract a molester. Therefore, she should use something to cover it. (〜￣△￣)〜

Well, is not like cover yourself is a jack of all trades that can solve every assault problems. Criminals also get smarter as preventions get better. So, it is not weird that modestly dressed people would get targeted. ╮(￣-￣)╭

Plus, when modestly dressed people get targeted, it means "that prevention" wasn't enough and it could also mean "that prevention" wasn't the key to solving the "modestly dressed people getting assault" problem. #－.－)

Well, back to the topic. We were talking about NORMAL GUYS caving into their desires and becoming preparators. (〜￣△￣)〜

I say that covering oneself could make the possibility of getting attacked less.
Yes, NORMAL GUYS have brains.
Their nature is also not as twisted as those criminals. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Unfortunately, humans COULD cave into their desires. Generally, everyone has their weaknesses and some guys have their problems of wet dreams. So, when a girl wearing revealing clothes are in front of them, those "some guys" MAY start ogling. (￣∇￣")

I just noticed this, but the reason ML told her to not wear such revealing clothes is probably because of MANY REASONS and one of them is because he is jealous and he doesn't like guys ogling the defenseless/trusting FL(well, she seems defenseless in his eyes from the way she acts around him). (￣ε(#￣)Σ

I’m not saying that it’s not a prevention at all, I’m saying that clothes do not warrant touching. I don’t care if men can just “give in” to their desires because the woman is wearing clothes that they deem attractive. I just don’t think that wearing clothes that you deem modest will lessen the attacks. Just like you said this topic is about normal people. And normal people have been attacked for dressing what you believe is modest or not revealing. The character in the story should not have to wear more or less clothes because he was ogling her breasts. They were alone, not with anyone else, he shouldn’t have a reason to be jealous over it either. (〜￣△￣)〜

Thank you!

I think you're coming from a good place and everyone should definitely be aware of the risks. I just want to say that the Manga is giving the message that because of her figure and the way she dresses, it's normal to be assaulted.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
Men and women have the same amount of self control, you know and it's a myth to think that women feel no desire and men feel so much more.
Wearing cute clothes is for your own pleasure just like eating something good or wearing makeup or whatever. There are no more assaults on nudist beaches than anywhere else.
What does it mean?
Clothes DO NOT matter. Being attractive is enough to be accosted.
As a woman, I KNOW this intimately. Even by only wearing baggy jeans and t-shirt, there will be an idiot who feels entitled to your body.
It is just a rhetoric predators USE to make others think "she was looking for it, it's not his fault".
I want to reject it entirely. It is the molesters fault 100% and as a society, we should banish this thought that makes it easier for criminals to get away with it.
As long as this idea is out there, criminals will use the excuse.

It is not an attack against the author or you, I'm sure your intentions are honorable and I would not post an opinion out there if I don't want it challenged but I want the max amount of people to change their opinion on the subject or try to think about it again.

You just said "an evil perpetrator wants to find a prey!" That is exactly the point. They will find a prey a because they are evil. They will attack anybody and have attacked anybody in any circumstance. At best you are saying to make sure that the molester chooses another girl. Ok then what about the other girl? Does she deserve it for not following rules that don't even fucking work if the guy just want's to do whatever?

Based on how things work in societies where women dress modestly...as you said "doesn't mean there is nothing underneath" ..Ok then what is the point? If she and everyone is dressed modestly but he attacks her anyway. What is she to do? Never leave the house? You know...in some of those countries they have tried that. Women could be punished for not leaving the house with a male escort/protector IN THE DAY TIME. Not even at night, just going to the store alone in the middle of the god damn day without their husband, son, or brother. I suppose we could say at night you shouldn't be alone, but in the day time? Even though she is covered very well? What is the damn point then? The law has changed over there because come the fuck on, hell they are even letting women drive now. It was dumb and getting in the way of every day life.

Bad men will find any damn excuse.

Dressing modestly does not work, people have tried it. Sometimes the guy just goes after the girl dressed modestly because he assumes she is quiet and wont speak up for herself.
Either way it is a dumb excuse that society needs to squash. A woman is not a wallet being left in an unlocked car. She is a human being. And so is the man making the CHOICE to violate her space. But like all human's we will continue to behave badly so long as we are allowed too. And so culturally if men know that they will get shit for behaving inappropriately then they will be less likely to do so. Oh some will act out anyway. But only the extreme cases. Cuz like I said the excuse always changes. It changes from culture to culture. But we have the ability to change the culture that we live in. We just have to fight for it. We have to put our foot down and loudly proclaim that we won't take shitty excuses anymore.

Though molesters are not everywhere, it ISN"T WRONG to dress modestly as a prevention. I had once typed in this place that dressing modestly is A prevention. (〜￣△￣)〜

However, it is not a jack of all trades; it is not a prevention that can fix EVERY SINGLE assault case. （/TДT)/

Besides, you said that they need to change their culture. Well, did you ask if the person involved wants to change their culture? ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

If you say they are weaklings for not trying to change such an "unfair" culture, can't you tell what a culture is?

If the culture DOES NOT make the people of that culture RIOT. It means they are COMFORTABLE with it. When they are comfortable with it as they are used to it; WHY should they fight to change it? (￣∇￣")

They don't want to change it and they feel the culture isn't something that makes them feel wronged. ╮(￣-￣)╭

If they see the western culture where the woman are so free, SOME of them would be like "Oh, that's nice." and just move on with their lives. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

MOST people have lives. They are busy. They have no time to think about irrelevant things that DOESN'T effect their lives. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

The women in the west rioted and made many campaigns because they couldn't stand the INJUSTICE of not being able get what they were DUE even though they had better skills than some men.（￣へ￣）

THAT is why the western overturned their old culture. And some of the RELEVENT ones got rubbed to other countries like "Women should be able to work in high rank".
(๑•ㅂ•)و✧

IT WAS INTEGRATED into other people's culture; like maybe if there was no woman working on high rank jobs, it got integrated BECAUSE they felt it was RELEVENT.
╮(￣▽￣)╭

The other ones that are NOT RELEVENT was not taken in BECAUSE they felt there was NOT A NEED TO. (〜￣△￣)〜

DO NOT just force others to stop their usual daily lives using PUBLIC OPINION to fight for something they hadn't deem relevant. (￣∇￣")

What you are doing by saying they need to fight for it is just persuading them. Like a majority's mindset or brainwashing by repeating it to them over and over again, your words COULD INSTIGATE them to HATE what was NORMAL to them. (⌒▽⌒)

As in, you BROKE someone's HARMONIOUS life or maybe even made a crack in RELATIONSHIPS, just because you want them to understand WHAT 'YOU' DEEMED WRONG.(〜￣△￣)〜

Yes, criminals should get punished. Those were excuses they made to- I don't know justify themselves? （/TДT)/

Well, I say that victims or possible victims should think up preventions and implement them. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

If in their country, molesters tend to choose prey that dressed immodestly; they should dress modestly. (=・ω・=)

If the same molesters starts switching targets to weak looking preys . Then, they should walk around with at least 3 people or maybe a STRONG guy. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I believe, the story is not giving out any message. The ML probably asked her to cover up herself for MANY REASONS and one of them: He doesn't want the girl he likes to be ogled by some other guy; he was jealous. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

From the way she acts AROUND HIM, ML deemed FL as a defenseless woman that MAY get taken advantage of. Therefore, he directly gave an advice. (=・ω・=)

I don't seem to see any NORMAL romance(idols and stuff are NOT in this category) where the guy is fine with his lover/crush being in other guys' heads. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

His jealousy stems from the fact that they JUST met. He didn't know how she dresses around other guys. So, he DOES have a reason to be jealous. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Okay, I say, every country is different. They have different cultures and different atmospheres. Thus, they warrant different people, different norms and etc. (=・ω・=)

It goes in a cycle since PUBLIC OPINION can change the norms and atmosphere of a country. #－.－)

Some PUBLIC OPINION had even CHANGED the CULTURE even if THOSE changed cultures were NOT FROM THE WEST.(〜￣△￣)〜

Therefore, dressing modestly may be a norm in some countries. THIS MANGA is from where? It is NOT from the west. It was from Japan. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Japan has different culture, different norms and different public opinion from any other countries. Whether it was China or Korea, they are different. ヾ(☆▽☆)

If I think of Japan, I think of people with neat clothes. It gives out a clean/cheerful or whatever feeling. Her clothes MAY be considered revealing in Japan. (〜￣△￣)〜

Sure, she is wearing casual clothes inside her house but ML was worried about her carefree attitude she MIGHT act in front of other guys.(づ￣ ³￣)づ

Another thing. MOLESTERS are human. They have a brain. ┗( T﹏T )┛

Although we want to call them brain dead for assaulting people. We have to face reality: MOLESTERS HAVE BRAINS. They do not just attack anybody. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

They would select their prey carefully. Well, it is true that not everybody is the same, so, not all molesters are the same. Some of them may actually be brain dead and some may NOT PLAN before they attack; they either stupid or a newbie. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Those serial killers that rape before they kill MAY even have the gadgets to attack people in pairs or groups of 3. ╥﹏╥

Since, the prevention of going in groups of 3 does not work, the possible victims could only think up another prevention. #－.－)

A prevention they think up COULD be walking in groups of 5 or 6. That way if the serial killers attack them, it would make a large movement and attract attention. MOST PROBABLY the attack would FAIL. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

But, as I had mentioned in one of my replies before, CRIMINALS get SMARTER.

This situation is USUALLY when one KNOWS there was a serial killer case NEARBY or in one's COUNTRY. People DON'T KNOW where a serial killer would make his NEXT MOVE, so they could only READY themselves.(〜￣△￣)〜

Another thing: Sure, wearing clothes one seem modest may not work and may not lessen the attack. Maybe not in that certain country. Maybe not to some certain guys. (=・ω・=)

As I said, humans are different. Although they have something in common, they have something that is different too. What you deem MAY NOT WORK may actually work in some other countries.（/TДT)/

Well, guys in SOME OTHER COUNTRIES may be rationale at all times. It just so happens that some things provoke them MORE THAN OTHER THINGS do. And wearing immodest clothing MIGHT be the trigger to the SOME guys in THAT COUNTRY.（￣へ￣）

Well, preventions are only for those who want them. Since you don't deem covering yourself to be a prevention. Then, do whatever you want. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

But, even if you don't deem it to be a prevention; it doesn't mean others don't. Just because it doesn't work at your area or whatever news you've seen, it doesn't mean it doesn't work in other places you didn't see. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Humans don't see everything. Humans don't know everything. The news don't tell people everything. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

While I understand that you don't deem covering yourself to work at your place. Don't deem it to NOT work at other places.(〜￣△￣)〜

I believe one should not deny things for what they are just because they have skepticals for it. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Isn't it like love at first sight? I heard some people don't believe in love at first sight. However, the fact that some others believe in them means that those "love at first sight" may actually happen and it may not be due to some SURFACE attractions. (⌒▽⌒)

It could be happening at places one could not see. One could deny that it doesn't happen around one, but PREFERABLY don't deny that it happens in some other places.┗( T﹏T )┛

Summing up, DON'T deny that covering yourself is NOT a prevention. As it may work it a situation in some area you can't see. It may have also work when a possible victim didn't know it worked herself. (〜￣△￣)〜

Well, humans have brains. They should analyze the situation themselves. Think up preventions themselves. As there is no jack of a trades prevention in this always changing and unique world. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I recall saying that I’m not claiming it isn’t a prevention, so thank you for making a whole thing about that

Anyways, when you say that the jealousy stems from just meeting, wdym? Do you think because they just met that gives the man a reason to be jealous over her body? It’s hers, not his, attacks are high in almost every country, what you deem modest, is like you said, may not be considered modest in another country. But that doesn’t meet that that gives someone the right to attack.

Nobody is saying to go out naked. That's nobody's point.
But I am telling you, as a person living "in the west" that people wear normal clothes (we have laws against unlawful exposure).
And Still, people get attacked or approached by molesters or assaulters everywhere.
Women not being drunk, not wearing revealing clothes, not even makeup are attacked.

Molesters chose their vicrims and we can indeed do nothing about it. But what we CAN change is this rhetoric that the victim was looking for it. Nobody's looking for anything. At all. Even if I were to go out naked, NO ONE has the right to touch one hair on my head without my permission. I am taking things quite far, nobody's actually going out naked but it doesn't make it anh less true.
Saying that clothes are the reason people get attacked is like saying people who do not wear your definition of "modest" clothes DESERVE to be treated like this. That's not true. The one who is against the law is the molester.

I should not have to change my habits to cater to the whims of a sick individual.
As for being accompanied wherever you go... no way!! Women are not children or pets.
When this happens, women will be dependant on men to protect them again. Who ever wants that????

Whitehana, by your pseudonym I would think you're a woman, would you like to be escorted anywhere you go?
Would it not bother you to dress up in order to hide instead of in expression of your personality and uniqueness?
If everyone dressed modestly, it would become the norm and still, the molester would not stop, he would attack someone. So your only solution is to dress more modest than your neighbor in the hopes he will choose her instead of you?
And it would go on and on until women HAD to dress a certain way or they'd be wh**es until they became unable to dress up at all.

Nobody has the rights to anything. Who gives out rights? The law didn't say a preparator has the rights to attack anyone? Public opinion goes for a moral high ground. So, a man has no rights to ATTACK a woman. I don't think a preparator thinks about rights when attacking someone though. (￣∇￣")

Yes, they just met. But, it was a reunion after separating from his lifelong crush. He was even deciding whether to continue liking her after meeting her. So, he is conflicted that she may not think of him as a man as she just defenselessly showed her cleavage in front of him. Well, there are those kinds of problems with childhood friends. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

She also didn't seem to notice her way of dressing distracts him(a guy). Therefore, he reminded her. He cares about her and he cares about other guys ogling her. So, what's wrong with reminding her? (〜￣△￣)〜

He wants her to know that some guy COULD get their way with her and her revealing clothes are the ones that made SOME SCUMS decide to prey on her. (⊙…⊙ )

It is her body but it is not wrong to care about it because she is his crush. I say he had only cared about it BECAUSE she is his crush. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

P/S: Debater's Last Reply To You.

I don't know if I made this reply to you but I say covering oneself is A prevention. However, humans need to analyze their problems and think up a solution to their problems THEMSELVES. (〜￣△￣)〜

As I had said, covering up oneself is A prevention. It is A prevention among the MANY OTHER prevention. Why? Because it works in SOME situations.（￣へ￣）

You CAN'T deny that covering up oneself COULD be A VERY EFFECTIVE prevention in SOME cases SOMEWHERE in the world.（/TДT)/

Just because it is not in your radar, the fact that it is known as A prevention shows that it ACTUALLY WORKS. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

One could be dressed up at home, a relatives home, a workplace; anywhere one feels the security is alright(being with many acquaintances is included). But, ONE THE WAY to a place is definitely NOT secure. So, why not cover yourself ON THE WAY to a secure destination(I don't feel the need to look glamorous on the street). ╮(￣-￣)╭

When I say one should go out with at least 3 people; who said they are ONLY accompanying you? When anyone of the 3 goes out, the whole group follows. The 3 people could negotiate whether it is relevant to go somewhere; THAT is how it works.
(〜￣△￣)〜

Asking a STRONG guy to accompany one... One HAS TO MAKE sure that guy is ACTUALLY strong. It is not like one can find STRONG guys everywhere. If the guy is NOT STRONG ENOUGH to tackle someone, then he is not considered strong enough to be of help in one's situation. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

The guy is only accompanying one to one's destination and picking one up when going back. The guy IS the one who's inconvenienced. Imagine the guy is one's old son. It's not so bad to be accompanied by someone ON THE WAY to a secure destination. As for how to deal with the guy's feelings, one should think of a way oneself.（￣へ￣）

Humans have BRAINS, they should think and analyze THEMSELVES as they are the ones who are most familiar with the situation they are in. They could get advice, evaluate the advice and see if it is of help in their situation. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

P/S: Debater's Last Reply To You.

Hey, folks! It has been 3 days since I replied to this topic.
Having to go against 3 minds; critical thinking and metacognition had made my brain fluids constantly low. So, this debater is going off the stage!
Goodbye~ Have a great day~ (≧∀≦)

P/S: If you wanna chat, I welcome chatting but not debating. Argh, my brain's tired from debating. Dabbing into this and that. Well, I don't think this is the place if you want to chat though. I am only available for chatting on Discord.

Don't worry, I think nobody has any arguments that you consider at all. It's okay, everyone has different opinions and endlessly debating won't change anyone's minds.
Plus, you started out responding to the comments and now you're out of arguments it seems. Not a criticism though.
You think something, I think something else. Neither of us were convinced by the other's argument.
Let's just agree to disagree.

Yeah.
I started debating because I felt like it, though.
The short-term excitement has passed and now I just feel tired.
Anyways, thanks for taking your time to debate with me. (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

You're welcome

Ikr I feel like I don't understand men(at least some men) like you have everything out there on the internet.Its not like women's body is a mystery to them but they still can attack you for just your bra strap showing a little or the shape of your butt.A fairly large amount of these molesters aren't even virgins.A lot of them even have families and they molest women in public.There are a lot of desires a person could have an I find it astonishing how they an control the desire to punch their boss in the face when he's a jerk which would only make them lose their work but not when they pounce on a woman to rape her which could sentence them to prison,make them lose joband face in society.

You are so right. there is this "men will be men" mentality going around like they can't help themselves or they don't have brains.being stronger than people doesn't cause a person doing shit to them.Why don't they say that you get murdered cause you're weak or bullied cause you're weak .That you will get murdered cause the murderer couldn't help not killing you after a look at your "killable" body. If you're not armed with a gun you got what's coming your way.Desire overtakes them and they lose control and end up killing you.i hate how people don't veiw crime against women as they veiw other crimes.

Dressing someway to save oneself doesn't mean I want someone else to be attacked instead ,it means simply that I don't want to be attacked.
Also there are some places and some times where being molested can be prevented by dressing in a modest way but you wouldn't expect someone to not take that fact into consideration so that she would be able to catch a molester or save someone else from being a victim.An ordinary woman has a lot o priorities it could be your family ,your dream occupation or something else so you wouldn't nessecarily feel such strong emotions to fighting these molesters as they would to avaoiding them.Because you can never be sure of what outcomes it would have and luck and circumstances of a person also play a factor and if they play against you it would be really bad.In such a situation later both persons pay a price,But what is sad is that one person Does not deserve to but still does.And after what happened, happened you can do nothing but feel sorry.You can punish the perpetrator of the crime but the emotional,physical,menal and social trauma still remains.
Both sides in this debate are correct.If you view the issue as something concerning the women community as a whole then dressing modestly feels like being subdued by such molesters but the fact remains that just thinking like that in real life doesn't solve anything and you can't seperate who is a molestor and who isn't just by looking at faces.the sec perspective would be as an individual women who'd not want to be a victim cause she doesn't want any disturbance in an otherwise smooth sailing life.
I personally didn't feel like the guy in manga did anything really wrong cause even as a woman if any of my girlfriend's in stared at lustfully by creepy strangers in street I would worry and since she seemed really defensless that time he worried that some guy might do the unthinkable to her and so just wanted to warn her in case she wasn't aware of it before hand.Sometimes you don't see things you don't want to see but later realize that you were in a really vulnerable situation and are glad that nothing bad happened.
What if you walk into an area prone to robbery clothed in expensive clothes and watch,now you can or can't be robbed but what if you get robbed stripped off your clothes and wallet and that personalso stabs you so you couldn't be report them later.Now your family later wishes you hadn't gone out in that attire but none can bring back the dead and undo the damage inflicted on a lot of people.And people precious to you,in such a situation a person would choose prevention,of ANY sorts if possible.

I meant it as a rhetorical point, I'm not criticizing anyone's choice of fashion. Someone who likes to dress modest or slutty, both don't matter to me. I'm just making the point that clothes are just a convenient excuse for a molester. In fact, if anyone finds you attractive, you're done for. I'm talking from experience there. Wearing baggy jeans and a t-shirt (really tired that day and no motivation to dress up) and still got verbally accosted and got saved by a random person.
This was a reasoning by the absurd, I don't mean that modest people are bad at all. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I just want people to acknowledge that SHE'S not the problem but the molester is. And yeah she was defenseless but it's not bad to be. I wish we could all be carefree about our way of dressing and such. If people didn't take what isn't offered!
Ps : I like the guy in the Manga, he's not bothering me, it's just that the speech gave me those kinda vibes and it was bothering me a bit. It's only my own opinion and feeling on the matter after all and it's totally normal that not everyone agrees.

He was taking about himself, the clothes were distracting him. And the thought of your crush being looked at can be displeasing but he can't quite say it like that.
There was no controlling intent in his comment, it just came out awkward.

Nouuuuu I voted down

500IQ play

further proof the patriarchy is super stupid

You have a point