I know many of you are mad that things seem eerily normal now like the fl and ml didn't fuck up each other and their kids for MANY chapters only to suddenly get back together in a weird change of heart (ok tbf mostly from the fl, Wilhelm had always been consistent I'll give him that)
But hear me out....
I'm just enjoying the domesticity now and conveniently and blissfully ignoring whatever happened before because there's no use being angry anymore. I'm just so happy Billroy is happy like this cutie patotie deserves happiness and if his happiness comes at the price of my blood pressure then it's fine I'll endure the shitty manhwa earlier and the way it was weirdly resolved if it means that kid can smile and laugh and have a normal childhood with semi decent parents.
Go have a dozen of kids for all I care as long as you take care of them all from this moment on. Only then I'll gladly turn a blind eye to whatever shit happened before good for them i guess at least it didn't have an even shitier ending
Hilda is so much stronger than me I would've caved for him in chapter 2.
Why are people arguing in the comments about whether Skylar is right or wrong why can't we just admit what Skylar said was fucking cold and ruthless when its intention was to hurt and cut deep without saying he's a horrible person or his anger isn't justified. This can go hand in hand btw. And same goes for empathizing with Cirrus's current snapping and being hurt by said words even if we can also admit he was an asshole and started this whole relationship the wrong way. No one is better than the other stop trying to think that way.
Skylar deserved that punch. Idc how hurt and angry he was at being lied to and him not understanding that Cirrus's behavior stems from his fear of abandonment, he still chose his words for malicious intentions and that's not "standing up for himself". Standing up for himself would be stepping away from someone causing him distress and shutting them out and not allowing them to hurt him anymore, not to use malicious words that would trigger someone's trauma. Be ffr.
That aside, me being happy that Skylar was punched and Cirrus being like that in front of everyone is simply bec skylar will now see how much Cirrus is internally struggling and face what cirrus is actually like when he truly doesn't care anymore. Skylar misunderstood a lot of Cirrus's actions and misdeeds as maliciousness when they were due to intense love and fear, so now that he'll face real loathing he'll understand this isn't the same as what happened before. It also allows Cirrus to finally shed the nice persona he kept up all the time to mimick the orange haired guy (imysorry i cant remember his name ) and yea there was something twistedly satisfying about this chapter despite the dread that kept gnawing at my core.
the way not a single word you said was wrong and also capsulated exactly what i thought
yess exactly!!
ur so based
Do me a favor, read this and then tell me you still feel the same way:
https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf
Both of these characters use their past to abuse one another. Cirrus is more loud and clumsy with his manipulation. Skylar is avoidant and wields his words with devastating accuracy and knows how to cut others down using a quiet manipulation.
They're both terrible. And I love them both. Here's to hoping they can actually grow into decent people at some point in this manhwa.
I don't understand how will that change my opinion when I already think both of them are doing terrible shit to each other??!! I don't think their intention is malicious all the time or they're intentionally choosing to be harmful with the intent of being evil, but it's a culmination of trauma responses and ptsd that leads them to lash out, manipulate, and drive situations in a way that ends up being harmful.
Your description of their manipulation techniques is correct, but it's important to also note that this is not a skill they wield but real unconscious behavior they exhibit without intentionally meaning harm in an evil way. They could know their words/actions can hurt someone in the current situation, current moment, but are unaware of their behavior on the grand scheme of things. This is why I love them and also hope they can heal and develop into decent people, and I hope they come to realize that their actions are wrong, the both of them.
Yeah, the reason I suggested the book was because it explains that the idea that abused people go on to abuse other people is a myth.
Abusing your partner is ALWAYS a choice. It's a choice that abusive people make because it gets them the results they're looking for.
Ahh I see... You're right. I do agree with that take, but i still think despite that choice people who abuse others due to their own abuse are also unconsciously leaning towards those choices even if it's a choice. It's just how their brain reacts now. For example Cirrus has borderline personality disorder (very obviously so) and as a result he keeps going hot and cold and reacts very irrationally at any sign of Skylar possibly leaving him or abandoning him. Going from crying to "I hate you so much" to explosive rage. Bpd people can be very manipulative and are hard to actually be in a relationship with, but while it is a choice they make to cry or rage or hurt or say that word, they're choices based on their inner turmoil as well and choices their brain only thinks of because it lacks rationality.
Y'all never satisfied with whatever Jiho does and y'all never see any fault in Inwoo, it's embarrassing.
Both are complex characters who contributed to this shit they're now in, and even Inwoo who everyone felt indignant on his behalf is now thinking "i wonder if my mother left the country. I wonder if that phonecall Jiho arranged with her will be our last" and it's not in a 'i hope she never appears again' way so lol. Some of the people here are not and will never be ready for the take that Inwoo might actually have overreacted and would rethink what happened and maybe think that talking to his mum wasn't equal to forgiving her.
In any case, I see they haven't talked it out exactly and that Inwoo is resorting to sex again because that's the only way he knows how to express his emotions (it's a common occurrence now) and idk why y'all are pressed they haven't talked like to me it makes sense they won't talk first thing given their personalities. Jiho is so high on his new determination to prove his love for Inwoo and support him any way he can, and Inwoo is riding the high of being loved the way he wished it was expressed to him. Addressing what had happened will force an awkward atmosphere and for now they miss each other too much to want that kind of dump. They will talk about it (hopefully) just doesn't have to be the same exact day they reunite.
Edit: before someone yells "Even if he rethinks it now it doesn't justify what Jiho did!!!!" And yeah it doesn't that's why i never said that.
Edit 2: for everyone saying "leaving his job isn't a big deal!" Bruh he wasn't hoping for you to think so?? He didn't do it to be like 'see how great i am? I did this for you!' and if you think someone doing something like that to care foe their loved one means so then I'm sorry to you for whatever happened in your childhood that led to that sort of thinking. This is just someone who rethought his priorities and adjusted his life accordingly, don't read too much into it.
They hated Jesus because he told the truth. Speak your mind
They are too biased with what happened before and somehow couldn't accept his form of redemption, I think.
I honestly don't know what they are looking for Jiho's redemption. Talking about the problem has never been the only type of communication, especially in love. Imho, it's not like Jiho is brushing off everything that happened or they have argued until now, but he is trying to communication his acre and love by trying to understand Inwoo more, to be with him more, to make him feel loved and reduce the loneliness because now he KNOWS that Inwoo is lonely and feels unloved. I think his action right now is much more impactful than just sitting down, and said the word "I'm sorry for bla bla, but I've always love you" because words can be bullshit, but action, at least is more real. Inwoo is insecure. And will an insecure person believes in only words? I don't think so, because they will kept denying, and when their loneliness hit again, they will continue to feel that they are indeed unloved.
I could kiss you for this
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Well, the feeling's the same cuz reading ur comment made me feel glad that there's still people who tried to understand Jiho's and Inwoo's personality and how realistic the author is as they made them imperfect and flawed. The Jiho who is insensitive to Inwoo's feelings as he grew up in a relatively loving family and the awkward and insecure Inwoo who cannot express his emotion well because of lack of love in his entire life.
Jiho is wrong (I'm pissed off too at some point) but it was somehow inevitable to happen because of how different they are. So, Inwoo is also at some fault for the whole thing to go south. Yet, Jiho is not without redemption... and right now he is trying in a new way that will make Inwoo feel loved once again.
heavy on the “Some of the people here are not and will never be ready for the take that Inwoo might actually have overreacted” part. a lot of people here have trouble accepting the fact that you can have a mental illness and still have faults. like, you can hurt someone and your mental illness does not make that okay. doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a horrible person, just means that you did something wrong like a normal person. not at all saying jiho wasn’t wrong btw (bc ik someone will twist my comment lmao)
I don't know how can they move forward from this. While I think Cirrus understood Skylar's trauma (despite being a dick and manipulating it earlier in the story) Skylar doesn't get his. It's hard already to deal with someone with BPD but it's even harder if you /don't/ understand they have it. In Skylar's POV Cirrus's lies seem manipulative and sinister, holding dirty amusement, while in actuality Cirrus's stupid cycling around and his lies are due to the intense fear of being abandoned and left behind, yet again. What Skylar just told him is the worst thing possible to tell someone healthy, let alone someone in that state, shivering and begging and bearing their heart. I'm not saying Cirrus didn't fuck up, it just doesn't justify Skylar being an asshole, saying words he knows will cut deep.
Given reassurances and help, they can overcome the previous lies with understanding and stopping the pattern, having Cirrus secure in their relationship and learn to be completely honest (especially once Skylar understands/why/ he lies) but idk how can they resolve whatever shit Skylar just told Cirrus. Some words you can never take back, and that's one example of them. This is why many people fear sharing private matters and why relationships are hard for them.
Never use someone's very core weakness/trauma against them like this It's not right, whether it be Skylar or Cirrus. Aaahh i feel sick. This update had me crying.
You're sooo right...
I agree but honestly that response from Skylar made sense (I am not saying that it was right). As you said he knew it would cut deep and that’s what he wanted in that moment since he is just a teenager and of course he wouldn’t handle the situation with maturity. I think he’ll regret it later when he comes back to his senses
Not denying this. I understand Skylar, just not justifying it. And apart from that, I just don't know how can you take back those kinds of words once they're said. You can move on and get back together, but you'll always remember this was once said to you. Now given Cirrus's already unstable mentality, this shit will probably be his toppling point rn :'D
Facts, you’re so on point! Loved your takes in the comments
I'm actually pissed cause i stayed up till 3am rn on a work night only for a stupid ending like that. It doesn't even make sense that Isaac is the killer bec in earlier chapters he was with Giselle while someone got killed. Also people were killed before he broke the lock.
Her lack of hesitation to kill him made no sense at all. This entire scene was so out of character for everyone. And even if it's Isaac and he used the "hunt" to hurt them, why tf would he procure a coat and get up and everything and how. Just... Yeah. Also new kid is standing in the sun lol so uhhh... Also they never explained and got into depth about Tuitte's issues with Olivia and author made it seem like Tuitte wanted to leave her but couldn't, physically, but here we are.
This is just plain stupid like what was the point of purpose of that ending what did we achieve? What about the "mistress" did her story end just like that? Idk mate it doesn't even make sense that Isaac killed all those people while having no memory all the time and not show any manifestations of memory loss, unexplained injuries from struggle, and bloodied clothes/hands. Haa... I need to forget about this stupid manhwa so i can go to sleep for whatever remainder of the night I have. I hope the author's bedbugs always bite and that their socks are always wet and their cereal always soggy and their hair always frizzy and their mosquitoes always loud but invisible.
RIGHT?! IT MADE ME ANGRY AND SAD TOO
Started punching the air.
This is for everyone who called me heartless when I said meeting his mother would help and that's why Jiho was doing what he did (albeit he fucked up a bit in the process) and they said he doesn't need to meet her to heal he just wants someone understanding by his side yada yada yada
Being proven right is such a sweet sensation. I know not every case is similar to the other and what works for someone doesn't necessarily work for the other but I fucking knew Inwoo's problem needed that kind of solution as a first step I'm so glad this is taking this direction now.
Agreed. I was yelling about Jiho previously because of how he decided to forcefully tackle the issue. It needed to come willingly from Inwoo because at the end of the day, if Inwoo hadn't accepted it then it'd have been a fruitless attempt, no matter how good Jiho's intentions. But that did implant the idea of the possible solution in Inwoo's head, so all's well that ends well.
Sameeee