
WHY are they spelling these names with an exclamation point in the middle? Like Real!Ciel or Our!Ciel? Exclamation points have huge verbal impact, like a gunshot going off in the middle of their names. wtf? The entire internet is a sea of stupidity?

why not?

Asians go absolutely bat shit if you misuse their language, so why are we letting the whole damned internet misuse ours? Exclamation points have their own meaning. People who are educated, have ears trained to be sensitive to grammar, and are able to hear and feel the impact of punctuation, are offended by such abuse of our language. Exclamation points really can't be used as mere dividers. Using them in the middle of names is like screaming the name as if the character is being stabbed to death. I like these characters, and I don't want to see the English language bastardized in the service of stupidity.

You do know that you don't actually "hear" written words, right? If you're experiencing ear pain and auditory hallucinations while reading, then you should probably consult a neurologist or something of the like.
As someone with a MA in English and three linguistics courses--two of which were at the graduate level--under their belt, I can tell you that people who are "educated" are not actually bothered by this...pretentious grievance that you've invented.
Grammar is not necessarily static and rigid; even in the professional and academic settings, it's fluid and constantly evolving (which is why we currently have 16/17 editions of The Chicago Manual of Style). And then the internet has its own set of rules entirely...in that there ARE no rules, and most linguists will tell you that this is normal and generally accepted.
I hate to break it to you, but language is arbitrary. Especially the English language; there is no such thing as "bastardizing" it. For example, the earliest recorded citation of the phrase "bat shit" in the English language was in 1950 and was used to describe something contemptible--similar to how we use "bullshit" today. Then it was used again in 1964, but spelled "batshit" and with a completely different meaning: dull and uninteresting. The meaning of the term "batshit" as we know it today--"crazy"--was coined in the early 70s.
What is truly IMPORTANT in language is communicating thoughts and ideas to the target audience; if the audience is able to understand the speaker/writer's message, then language is successful! And I would venture to say that most people on the internet--particularly participants in fandoms and fanfiction--innately understand the Variation!Character trope, even if they cannot recite the where, how, or why of its origin. Perhaps it shouldn't be used in your thesis paper, but it is nonetheless a valid use of language.
I recommend getting over it.

it's about time they got off their cold dead asses and updated this

I love this series but I hate it when someone talks like the translation group own them something. Fact is, they are translating because they want to, we are not paying them to translate, we are reading for free, and they also have a life, its not like its their job to translate these kinds of series. For what its worth it can be considered a hobby at most. I hope you understand this, I click dislike for you, and the fact that others agree with you is rather disappointing.

LOL. I did Get Me Out - translated, decensored, set type, cleaned (bad cleaning. It was my first and I did it all alone), Deadlock - Raindalee Translations, Six chapters of Hyacinth, Shoku Chudokou decensored that one, too, Raindalee again, Juliet no Baka ...... need more, smart ass?
You don't know the story, so maybe you should leave a little room, and anyway, they will come down here and sling mud with the rest of the demons, so you don't need to protect poor widdle itchie, they're plenty capable of taking care of themselves.

Those are some high quality thoughts, Helfina, but you think way too highly of me if you think I could get those massive egos to quit this gig.
By the way, I expect you to keep your word and defend me from people like me. LOL
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If I were Keigo, I'd be laid back and nice to the model dude, too. Keigo is in the precarious position of being in love with someone who hasn't completely proven to him that they are gay, or that they will not suddenly decide they like girls after all. At least the model guy gives him another option and is definitely gay.

I don't think Keigo did anything wrong. He's in a position where he's being pursued, but should he really be aggressively impolite in discouraging the model guy? He doesn't really have that chance since the model dude does most of his pursuing in front of Chihiro's family, clever model dude. Keigo has no choice but to be polite unless he wants to out himself, which would be okay, but he doesn't have Chihiro's permission to out him as well. Chihiro's got enormous advantages over Mr Model, but his problem is not having enough confidence in their relationship to not let the model guy bother him.

I don't know why Peach would block me or maybe everyone, but maybe it's because they know their post is criminal, so I would say if they go on their present course, they will spend the rest of their life in prison, which will not do anyone any good. Call the cops and then reflect on what you did wrong, not others. Don't like it? It's the only way to peace and justice for you and your kid. For someone who probably already knows this, but doesn't seem to, it's just a reminder, not meant to offend.

I'm just so sick to death of the oppressive censorship defacing and disfiguring the art. It's supposed to be erotic and for adults. I don't get the rationale or lack of for this level of destruction. anyone else feel this way?

Yeah same but I think it's censored so that they can upload it on certain sites? The raws I mean.. so it's probably censored so those don't get taken down or something. And so that's why I think its censored. Ofcourse the ones uploading it here could like.. de-censor and draw the censored stuff themselves but that seems like a lot of work..

Yeah, it's not censored in the original but when people provide raws they post it somewhere most of the time and if it isn't censored I think it would get taken down. So, when it's not censored most of the time it's because they redrew it, or if they have raw providers in the group that get the manga straight to the translators. I may be wrong tho that just made sense to me ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

I don't know, I think that the raws are sometimes posted publicly and not necissarily provided only to the group so they have to censor them? Also I don't think the translators are always from the US they just translate it to english? But that's honestly just my guess. I don't actually know why the raws are censored so much but to me that seemed like the most logical explenation? I have no idea if I'm right tho... ( ̄∇ ̄")

I don't think raws are posted first. I think that first they are sold in stores where they aren't raws but completed mangas. Before they hit the stores where they're sold, I know that due to laws in some countries, those works are censored by the authorities. Also, some artists self-censor, which is a pathetic comment on the way countries treat their artists, making them ruin the value of their work. Once the manga is in stores, someone buys the manga, takes it apart, scans it, and that's what is meant by "raws." These scanlations are exported to other countries to the translation group by the group's contact in Japan, or whatever country, where they are translated for public consumption into English etc. I've never heard of a scanlator or scanlation group censoring manga. It's done by the laws of the individual country.

Oohh ok, thanks for informing me. I thought raws meant just like images from the manga that haven't been translated.. But I really don't get why they would censor the manga?? Like if you don't want to sell the non-censored version don't sell it at all?? It's just stupid if you want to censor it don't sell it. I mean the scenes are still those types of scenes! Even if you censor the dicks for the sake of... what? Because it's to graphic for kids or... ? If its because of that you're just making them think people have lightsaber dicks! ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ My point is... why?? It's the artists work even if it is an erotic, graphic manga. They still shouldn't do itt!! Like the artist probably had to work hard to draw smexy pps for the common folk and now they censor it??? I demand justice!! (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ (does my rant even make any sense..)

LOL I agree with you so much. I feel lucky to live in the USA where we have freedom of expression for artists. The way things are, uncensored manga never get much past the artist's studio, and that's a real shame. Today, I can't even tell what's going on in these over-censored scenes because they are so damaged. I just wish there were enough decensorers here to restore them as soon as they hit our shores. Wouldn't that just chap the asses of the censor-happy countries that insist on ruining artist's works! LOL

Yeah some are WAYY too censored. Once I read one where even the nipples were censored!! THE NIPPLES??! Why?? I mean I would maybe get if it were a girl but it was yaoi! Like, men show their nipples all the time no problem why would you censor the nipples?? And don't even get me started when they censored their mouths when they were kissing! Wasn't only when they were making out but even when it was just like a quick peck?! But I still read it because I didn't know about mangago and simmilar sites back then and was desperate... ( ̄∇ ̄")

hold on. Woo min is a great guy. There's only one problem, and that's the last chapter. I don't want to say it, but the author is the biggest asshole on earth. She makes this fucking awesome and beautiful story for the first 8 chapters, then she destroys it in the last. I was so in love with hae-in and woomin when this was first out and there were only 8 chapters. When the total bitch put out the last chapter about hae in and sun woo min, I couldn't believe she'd pissed and shit all over their relationship, turning woomin into the worst of the worst kind of lover. He was NOT like that in the first beautiful story. He was kind, handsome, and he deeply loved hae in with all his heart. totally. I hate the author for ruining that story. hate. she ruined one of my favorite all-time stories with her selfish burn-out

didn't the uke tell the redhead that he was a bother, and not give even a hint of liking the redhead even a little?

He gave hints, it simply wasn't obvious. Like the fact that he's never brought anyone to his house before him. Like the fact that he didn't always fight him off as much as he otherwise would've and other stuff I can't think of right now. And last but not least, like the fact that he was thinking about going steady with him.
strange art but sweet