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Ines actually based all of her knowledge of Carcel on the rumors from her time as the crown princess. She didn’t actually know Carcel very well and she admits this around the time she invited the crazy lady into their home to seduce Carcel. Manhwa just simply cut all of it out. Quite frankly, she still has a lot to find out about Carcel and lots of it will shock her.
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Novel excerpt when Carcel left the room to get a wash cloth and Ines reflects on her actions to the incident she plotted to get him to cheat:

….She briefly scoffed at herself. 'Come to think of it, I didn't know anything about Cárcel Escalante who could've married anyone.' This was why it was dangerous to draw conclusions that were never experienced.

Of course, if she thought about it a little more, she didn't even know that 'original' Cárcel Escalante very well. A playboy with many followers. Words that could've been used to devalue him were not as varied then and now. Everyone only sees the loudest aspect of others.

Not getting married was considered a major flaw, regardless of gender, and he, who was considered to be the most handsome man in the world beyond borders, was too conspicuous wherever he was. When Cárcel did one thing, ten stories were created the next day. Later on, she got to the point of being sick and tired of the loudness just from hearing his name.

Of course, only Inés had enough of the noise that had no sign of abating. Yes. He was always noisy.

It’s interesting they decided to cut that line out because it makes everything a lot clearer. It feels like the manhwa either intentionally or unintentionally decided to take a more show-don’t-tell approach instead of both showing and telling like in the novel.
Because for the most part, the manhwa does a decent job of visually conveying Ines’ thoughts. But a lot of it is not verbally stated so those who don’t read into the visuals in front of them might not make those realizations.

To add to the above, Carcel is actually an anti-social person. He doesn’t have close friends and he doesn’t particularly like to attend social events. Women chased him in this current timeline as well as the previous timelines. He didn’t chase them.

Ines already realizes that a lot of those rumors were probably made up by both women and men. Women who lied that they slept with him and men who bore jealousy towards him. There is a lot that Ines reflected on immediately after the crazy woman incident. She remembered seeing Carcel in the court during the timeline when she was the crown princess and he would be surrounded by nobles who wanted to ingratiate themselves with him and then talk behind his back. Ines described Carcel as a tall, impenetrable fortress that no one could get close to. She even observed how he would look at her and he never smiled at her and often looked troubled when she appeared. In other words, Carcel stayed away from her and mostly everyone like a loner.

That’s why when his eyes became cold during the crazy lady incident they reminded her of the version of him from the court back in that timeline and she grew nervous in the current timeline. The reason why she began to cry after he came back into the room with the wash cloth was because she was relieved that he didn’t abandon her after he looked so cold after she pulled that stunt. Manhwa made a mess of the story flow during this arc.

thank god i read the comments bc this just makes me love them as characters even more. so many people dropped this bc they thought cárcel was an awful man who fucked any woman that threw herself at him and ines deserved better but so wrong they were. at the end of the day, cárcel has loved and respected her in many timelines and they truly belong together.
also, i’m not surprised that rumors were exaggerated since he’s of such high status and a incredibly handsome man. people love to talk, more so when is about such people like cárcel.

Yes, Carcel’s character is revealed over the story. Some think he got character development but what he really got is character revelation. The fact that his character is consistent from timeline to timeline makes Ines realize she was ‘wrong from the start’ about choosing him for her original purpose. Her plan was always going fail because as the story progresses, she realizes what an amazing husband she has to the point that she genuinely believes that she doesn’t deserve him. It takes Carcel’s mother’s advice to help her realize all that matters is that Carcel loves her and she’s completely worthy of that love.

The manhwa too cast Carcel as the only one worthy of criticism but the beginning of the novel story had readers criticize both characters. The manhwa mostly covered up the actions and thoughts that made novel readers criticize Ines. Some say it’s because it’s important to have readers root for FL because an unlikable FL is detrimental to the manhwa story for Koreans.

Another thing is, Korean novel readers asked the author in her Q&A, why did Carcel sleep with others in this timeline. This question was asked because readers had finished the entire story and they already saw all of his character and thought it was unlike him to sleep with others. Well, it’s because a lot of psychological issues were involved. Carcel spent 9 months out of the year in Calztela. He lived a celibate life there. It’s only when he went to the capital Mendoza that he slept with others. It seems that he felt pressured whenever he went to Mendoza and the end result was rebellion. Author said that rebellion also protected him from the assassination attempts of the crown prince at a younger age.

Wow, they really cut off a lot. That sounds like at least a whole chapter’s worth. I hope they don’t continue that pattern because it could make characters come off as inconsistent even when they’re not.

It will be addressed. Ines herself will gain self-awareness. Remember, Ines is the one who gets the most character development which was much needed. Ines has not developed as a person in any of prior timelines. In all prior timelines she was still selfish, self-centered, and didn’t care about others except the men she chose.

So, beginning with ep74, where Isabella mentioned her ZERO interest in Carcel, the next chapter will reveal how harrowing Carcel going off to war was for his mother. His mother will mention how she couldn’t sleep and she would sit up all night to prevent nightmares but she would still doze off and dream of her child bloodied and dying on the battlefield. Listening to his mother, Ines is struck with guilt. She reflects on how lightly she has taken Carcel’s life while there was someone who was agonizing in fear over his life. She recalls how he would always send her short letters to inform her that he’s still alive and he always ended his brief letters with a PRAYER that God is keeping her well or some other benediction. Ines will feel even more guilty when she goes to collect those letters and it is clearly evident that Carcel was writing in a rush or writing on scraps of old paper because he’s at war and supplies are scarce. She become cognizant of just how much she has disregarded his life and how she just always dismissed his letters with her future knowledge that he was always alive when she dies in prior timelines.

The above is only the beginning. She would later find out how Carcel was almost killed because of the engagement to her. He was only 6 years when that happened. This event even affected the marriage of his parents in a negative way that resulted in Carcel’s younger brother not knowing some of the experiences Carcel enjoyed when his parents were closer. However, Ines will only find out the part that Carcel was attacked when he was just 6 years and she rightly realized that she pointed her finger at him and never thought of what could happen to him. She takes this incident seriously to the point that she even tells her brother about the incident later.

There is more because added to that, the hidden timeline will be revealed and Ines will be shocked at the many hurtful things she said to Carcel. This timeline in particular will reveal just how patient and kind Carcel has always been to her even when she’s throwing spiteful and hurtful words in his face. Present day Ines will be so shocked by her past self that she gets fearful that Carcel will remember that time and how awful she treated him.

You can look forward to Ines changing and developing along the way provided that manhwa team doesn’t strip the author’s work further with their ability to cover up Ines’s flaws.

Oh. I should also add that the only reason the letters from him still existed is because her waiting lady Juana had put them aside when Ines would have burned them. It’s for that reason she was now able to read them with interest and regard for Carcel’s life because Juana insisted on saving and storing them. His letters also made her aware that he never worries her by saying he’s safe and well but she saw the scars on his body from war. This is when she realizes even more that Carcel always endure his pain, physical or emotional and doesn’t tell anyone. The fact is, he began to do this ever since the incident when he was 6 years old and his mother cried and his parents argued. After he witnessed that, he endured all the physical bullying in secret because he didn’t want his mother to cry. So, he learned to tolerate pain. His tolerance for pain is something mentioned in the novel several times. Ines herself notices it about him.

Wow

Yes her neglect and odd treatment of Carcel will be addressed in the Mendoza arc.

Thanks for the detailed spoilers. I’ve been seeing spoilers that the story is about Ines’ development so I was wondering what events trigger the more drastic changes. This definitely clears it up.

It’s admirable that after going through all of those hardships Carcel has never acted like someone who’s gone through hardships.

Thanks!

This is the kind of person he is. Just like he sent her to Mendoza where his father has the mansion well guarded for security while he stays back alone in Calztela to face danger without telling her because he doesn’t want to disturb her peace of mind.

Long ass comments y'all must rlly be invested in this story.

Mendoza arc is also is kind of like the enlightenment arc as well. I always saw Calztela arc as kind of the healing arc because as Isabella said, she recognized right away that Ines had changed and was happy. She had finally begun to bloom and will be the talk of the town.

Hehe yes! More than that!! ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ

Here are the raw for today and the images show what I spoiled.
https://newtoki342.com/webtoon/39759878

Oh, guys note that Ines said in this chapter that Carcel wrote to his ‘fiancée-in-name’ only. Even she admits there was no relationship between them.

From what I've seen in the raws he's at least gonna have to face the consequences of what he did to Inwoo but yeah same I wished they would've adressed all of this before they started the thing between him and the manager.

I’m the biggest Chungi hater

same

100% agreed I was kinda into it before but then he knew him as a kid and watched him grow up it's all gross now idk why you have dislikes...it would be weird if they hooked up

Agreed, i mean i thought they have adorable bond or what so ever u want to call, but reading this chapter, i kinda feel meh about it if in future he is 2nd ml fr, i just know he will play major role in story i didnt think this way, good knows

I read someone say they hope he doesn't end up with the boss...poor guy wants to be validated by boss but his way was absolutely shit putting others in danger. He needs to redeem more...but I still love him

I get this is just a way to move the plot forward but he was still really dumb for someone who's supposed to be a part of a top secret super assassin group lol. I don't have him but it did really piss me off how little sense he had. I dont think hes gonna have a major redemption arc considering how lighthearted his meetup was with taeman but there definitely should have some consequence. He messed the entire operation up and almost got taeman killed

*I dont hate him

Right, light hearted series that still depicts some dark af themes so that part of him messing up has major consequences for main couple even. I understand why some people would hate him cause he keeps spouting "follow boss's orders" every god dang episode hes in and then he messes up by not following em, as if hes exempt. Either way its good for character growth and plot, but alas HES SO ANNOYING AHAHAH (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

I understand that. My comment is more so aimed at the people making very strongly worded emotional rants either about how he must suffer the same way taemin did or about needing an in-depth character growth arc. If you dislike him or find him annoying I get that cause you’re not obligated to like every character.

Honestly i have friends like that who take these things too seriously and my god its impossible to change their opinion. (To calm down, its just fiction) Great people, but their opinions can get crazyyy (￣∇￣")

For sure. I guess at the end of the day everyone consumes entertainment differently which is why each person’s reaction tend to vary.

Oh I get that. I feel like praying on his downfall is too much since he isnt a bad guy he was just way overzealous. Honestly, I kind of get those people wanting a redemption arc but I dont think redemption is the right word, cause what he did was a mistake, he didnt intend to mess anything up. I think rather than redemption arc he should have a character arc so he can mature. All in all, I think getting pissed at him(like me lol) is only natural but I think hating him completely is too much. But like u said everyone has their opinions

YES that's why I was mad at him lol it was kind of hypocritical since the entire series hes obsessed with taeman doing his own thing in his personal life, but cant even follow a direct order about a super important mission. Its irritating but the character growth will be great ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

To what extent do you mean white washed, cause I do know that in her previous life in the manhwa, she is said to have "gone on holiday" to a very sunny location and spent a lot of time in the sun, thus getting tanned and setting a trend in high society to become tanner. Before that, she was quite white (as all the other court ladies) because they spent so much time inside (in the manhwa).

In the second time line and this timeline, she's drawn as having white skin because she's spends all of her time inside. I haven't read the novel but it would make sense that she would be pale since, again, she spends so much time inside.

It would be a different discussion if, in the novel, she's depicted as having darker/tanner skin in all of the timelines. Are there any excerpts from the novel that you or a novel reader have that described her as not being white that proves that the manhwa has white washed her?

“Whitewashed” as in an individual or character has been simplified or removed of their negative flaws, resulting in them being less complex and much more appealing. I don’t mean the color of her skin. I mean it in a literary way.

I’m pretty sure that’s one of the definitions of the term “whitewashed,” but if I used it wrong my bad.

I have read the entire novel. Inés is indeed a deeply flawed character. She freely admits she has a bad personality. She even says she’s a little mean because she takes after both her parents. Korean novel readers early on complained about her. It’s probably why the manhwa reduced her flaws or made them vague. However, discerning readers can see through them at times. I find you’re one of them. There are others who also saw that Ines was pretty flawed and didn’t use her trauma as an excuse. Ines doesn’t use her trauma as an excuse either.

Later in the story, the fact that she chose Carcel to use him and dump him will be addressed. Carcel realizes the truth on his own anyway and doesn’t say anything about it. He already partly realized the truth after Ines brought the crazy woman into their home to entice him to cheat. He’ll get confirmation later after he discovers certain things. However, being the truly good person he is, he keeps it to himself. Moreover, Carcel is always grateful for Ines’s love as though it isn’t something he deserves. He thinks that way in every single lifetime. He’s the only man in this story who thinks that way. Ines even tells him later that he always seem to have a low bar for her return of love.

Ines also realized that she misjudged Carcel terribly after she woke up from the dream of the palace. She admitted she was wrong from the start about him but of course the manhwa cut it out because we can’t have Ines admit she’s wrong. However, manhwa will not be able to cut out her tearful and emotional apology to him later about choosing him to use and dump. If they do, they will be doing her character a grave injustice. Ines gets truly amazing development in this story. At the end of it all, she makes a beautiful confession of love about how much Carcel has changed her. The confession is so beautiful that Koreans in Reddit translation community said the sentiment is so beautiful that the meaning cannot be sufficiently translated into English.

I know as a reader, I find it absolutely amazing how much she’s changed by the end of the story. In the side story, Ines is like a spoiled wife, daughter-in-law, daughter, sister-in-law, etc. She changed a lot and is a very bright and normal person. That all began with Carcel. Every single relationship she enjoys is due in part to Carcel and his love that changed her. Even her relationship with Raul and Juana, her faithful servants. Manhwa doesn’t tell readers that Ines, in Calztela, credited Carcel for thinking of Raul and Juana for the first time in a deeper way. She was taking them for granted without any thought about what happened to them when she killed herself in the crown princess timeline. Fir the first time Ines thought about that and it was in Calztela and she immediately wondered wgat Carcel was doing to her because he was making her see things that were lacking in the way she treated and thought of her closest servants. All of these are ways in which Ines grew and developed over the course of the novel story.

There will also be some shocking revelations that rattle Ines about the way she treated Ines in a past life. Manhwa won’t be able to cover those up. She will get memories of some pretty mean things she said to a different Carcel. They will scare her a lot but they help to develop her character.

Ahhhhhhh, my bad. I've never heard the term "whitewashed" in that form, you learn something new everyday lol~

That’s really great to here. So it looks like the manhwa, while a lot more subtle and a little simplified, is still more or less following the same format. I’m glad there’s more revelations coming. I’ll probably grow to appreciate ines even more as the story progresses. Thanks for the detailed description. It was a really nice summary of Ines.

Nah you’re good. I only learned it recently too.

Hm. I did not read the novel, so I cannot relate to that, but as "only manhwa reader" the chapters 9 and following were... a sudden dip in mood and graveness. So she was vain in her first life; aching and abused but both can be true at the same time. One could argue that the exposure of her first life was cut short, but on the other hand: maybe there wasn't any room in Inés first life.

In her second life, she picked a swerve and called that love: and again, either there's no room to depict WHAT she loves about Emilio or WHY (like, apart from him being soft and as NOT-OSCAR as possible) ...or there's not much to say. She later admitted (about ch. 37/38) that she sold the necklace (among other valuables) and that she ruined him; that no matter what, she could not step down from her entitlement, that no matter how long she lived like that, she never learned how to spend and save money and in her unchangeable ways dragged down Emilio who couldn't (wouldn't? didn't dare to?) oppose her in any way.

Her reasoning behind saving Raul more than once reveals cold calculation; at this point I started asking myself if she was just denying emotional attachement or didn't develop yet a sense of appreciation.

I like her character, and I am cheering her on; but she's neither faultless nor "perfect projection material" (at least to me, cause there's plenty of things she does and decides to do that have me like "...but WHY".)

I’m not even sure how to unpack Ines. She’s an extremely difficult/complicated character in one sense but surprisingly cooperative at times. There is so much to her over the timelines but it is always only Carcel who she learns from. It’s like he can get through to her when other people can’t. For instance, there’s a hidden timeline where her psychology is so unnecessarily complicated that it was clear any husband would give up on her. Carcel is a very easygoing guy but he is not by any stretch of the imagination stupid. In fact, of the people his age, including Ines, he is remarkably the wisest of them all. His approach with Ines is mostly to go along with her but he always firmly put his foot down when he thinks her decisions will harm her. (I’m trying to be vague to not give away too much). Whenever he does this, Ines resists but always end up realizing that his decision is and was best for her. That’s why she can trust him always with her life. He also knows which battles to fight with her and Carcel as a character is surprisingly responsible and capable. He knows how to take care of his family. It’s one of the most endearing traits about him as a son, brother and husband.

With Oscar, Ines lived 10 married years. She courted with him 10 years before marriage. That means 20 years with Oscar. Ines was always spoiled. Her father and brother spoil her. We can see some of that attitude in the recent ch when she talks about pestering her father to give her the gun he bought for Luciano. In that same timeline, Ines was shallow and loved the idea of power she would receive as crown princess. From beginning to end in that life, Ines never grew as a person. She experienced hell but her character didn’t develop and mature. She was always a fighter as Valeztenas are, so at least she fought Oscar tooth and nail. Everything still ended dramatically in the end though just like most of her married life.

Then Ines regressed and made the impulsive decision to seduce the painter who came to paint her portrait. She threw everything to the wind and didn’t think of the consequences of defying the imperial family. Her excuse is she was looking for love after Oscar trampled on her and made her feel dirty and unloved. She chose the perfect FOIL to Oscar because the man she chose was the extreme opposite of Oscar. Not only that, unlike Oscar, he literally worshipped her like a goddess. It was a complete 180 to the life she lived with Oscar since not only was she loved like a goddess, she was poor as dirt unlike the opulent life she lived with Oscar. Still, at the end of those four years, she didn’t learn anything nor did she change and develop. I would say she did heal enough from the trauma of Oscar but then she got a new trauma from the end of this life. So, from those four years of life, she didn’t develop nor mature much as a person. She didn’t even learn practical lessons although poor. She still can’t cook, sew properly, make nor manage money. I doubt if she ever held a broom in her hand too. In the end, because things ended so dramatically, she romanticizes that life in the early part of the story until the truth would creep out here and there.

So, with the first guy, she was subordinate and with the second guy, he was subordinate. With Carcel, unlike the other two, she’s equal and they act like equals. Ines listens to Carcel just like he listens to her. They talk things out. I think purely from the type of personality Carcel has, he’s able to deal with her difficult personality. In the beginning of the story, Carcel told Ines he likes girls with bad personality. He always sees Ines for who she is even when he loves her deeply. He doesn’t mind her bad traits at all. I think due to this personality of his, Ines looks at his example and it inspires her to want to change for him. For example, when Ines realized Carcel knew that she chose him to dump him, yet he still continued loving her and treating her like his world, Ines couldn’t understand his love. But because of this, it kept on making her want to change and improve for him even though he didn’t ask her to. He always accepts her just as she is. It’s Ines on her own who wants to be a better wife to him and wants to do everything in her power to protect him. That’s just one of the ways Carcel has influenced her without him even knowing it.

Ah so, he comes full circle since, from one viewpoint his "I'm only six!" is the perfect answer of a otherwise unbothered kid who's (understandably) overwhelmed by everyone talking in circles. From the other viewpoint its the steadfast answer of a kid who can recognize talking in circles as just that and insists on "I'm only six (what do you want me to do about this)". Put all his stats in common sense (and shoved the rest in "wife-worship (extra)")

LOL. Probably though some of his stats should be in duty as well.

Oh no I agree, I was mad as fuck at shizuma with previous update, but now that we’ve seen the whole thing I just feel like they’re really toxic for each others ^^"

Like, I love them, and I hope they can grow up and progress in a more healthy way but…

The way I see it, shizuma definitely lack awareness & he really need to learn to balance his job and private life better. I get working as a vet is demanding but plenty of people manage to work just their amount of hours with a few extra without sabotaging their family life. Sometimes he needs to say no.
I also feel that knowing Minato has untreated trauma, he should take it more seriously (adapt a little or sometimes it feels he entirely overlook it )
And if he can’t do that then I definitely feel considering Minato’s needs, they’re not a good match.

As for Minato… well, he’s self-aware. It’s a good start. But he should definitely see a therapist. The way he react to some stuff is not normal and his lover shouldn’t have to shoulder and accommodate so much or else he goes mad. Some stuff that are here can’t heal completely but they can improve.

lmao yes, i love them both but minato was in a shitty mood, ruined their date, physically and somewhat sexually assaulted shizuma and when shizuma asks what made him so aggressive and pissed he says "you smiled at someone else", 100% understandable to ask "that's it?" because it is absolutely abnormal to react like that because of a smile. that reaction is unhinged and not easy to comprehend lol??

"shizuma is insensitive", please. if their roles were reversed, everyone would call minato's jealousy obsessive and red flag. i mean it was even minato's plan to become an obsessive top that binds his lover with "pleasure" (still the worst thing in this story so far, how can anyone take that seriously)...ppl just pass it off because he's the uke and bc they identify with him more

What’s I like beings so sexy and so right all the time

You summed it up so well