After seeing carcel apologize to Ines simply because she is crying even though he did absolutely nothing wrong made me want to point out how weird it is that people often have to mention carcel’s faults whenever they acknowledge Ines’ as a way to try and equate his as worse or equally as bad. I understand wanting to point out how traumatized ines is and that her actions are understandable and very easy to sympathize with. But trying to argue that Ines and carcel are equally as bad feels like a polite and subtle way of just saying:
Ines hurting him is fine because she’s so traumatized while carcel had it easy his whole life so it doesn’t matter that she hurt him cause it’s nothing compared to her pain. He should just suck it up and treat her like a queen apparently even if it hurts him. The way people talk feels like they’re testing carcel to see if he’s worthy of Ines when as of right now, even Ines keeps pointing out how she’s the one who doesn’t deserve him.
What’s being ignored is that everyone’s pain matters and that being a pawn in her plan did in fact hurt carcel too not just ines. Like season 2 barely started and look at what carcel had to deal with because of Ines:
1. violated in his own bedroom by some random woman because ines needed carcel to cheat so bad for her plan
2. and even now in the newest chapter he’s the one apologizing because she’s crying even though he didn’t do anything wrong. Like even Ines is stating in her thoughts “what are you apologizing for” cause she knows he didn’t do anything wrong.
Thank you. Yes, they're both wrong but Carcel apologizes even when he does nothing wrong bc he's always the bigger person but Ines isn't. People keep excusing Ines bc of her past but that doesn't justify her using Carcel. If she was a better person, she wouldn't have tied him to an engagement and marriage while leaving him not knowing anything. She has yet to ever apologize to him for using him or even for inviting a crazy lady to their home. The reason why people are even calling out Ines is bc of people who keep bringing up Carcel's past. Carcel apologized and owned up and changed. What has Ines done so far? She has yet to change and own up to her wrongs.
Explanation is not a justification, her mental health and her life so far EXPLAINS her terrible behaviour which Is NOT justifying what shes doing. Her behaviour is understandable but not acceptable.
She also def needs professional help like if her body literally stops BREATHING like its such an important function of your body, when you get into a serious accident worst case scenario youre in a coma and you body still breathes to keep you alive. Like that itself should signal something is SERIOUSLY wrong with her, someone with severe self-harming past, and also successfully unalived themself idk how ppl expect them to heal on their on :/
Its a awful situation for the ml to be in and unfortunately he also really likes her and wont let her go in the state she is, im just waiting for growth and development for ines and their relationship
Very well said. I always love how the author also states on her Twitter and Naver Blog that Ines was wrong to do that to Cárcel. Author understands very well her characters are flawed and don’t make excuses for them. The problem is no one can call out Inés’s actions without someone jumping on them to remind them of her past. As soon as anyone criticize her actions, they are accused of hating her or not understanding her past.
If it's not acceptable then people should be able to call it out but somehow people can't even call it out without her simps ganging up on people just wishing for her to change and accept happiness. Understanding doesn't mean letting things go. If someone does something wrong, they should learn to apologize and change. You guys are justifying her actions with her past and excusing her for her wrong actions but quick to attack Carcel when you don't even know his past fully. What makes you think he didn't get a bad past bc of Ines action. You don't know? It's because Ines even forced this engagement and marriage on him that Oscar been attempting to kill him since he was a child. He was like 10 when Oscar stabbed him and his mother couldn't do anything bc the queen told their family to let it go. Carcel sees his mother cry in secret every day bc she didn't want to show she didn't agree with the queen. How is Ines' actions justifiable to a young child?
Girl did i attqck carcel? I absolutely love his character, he has such a big heart and is doing the best he can given the circumstances. (I cry everytime ik ill never find a partner like him (´༎ρ༎`)).
I reread this again yesterday (i love this story a lot btw) since rhe beginning ines knows that shes tied him in something he didnt want to be (until the marriage atleast because carcel does want ines rn). She kept telling him to “have his freedom” and “dont worry about each others personal life” and “i know you dont want me”.
Ines doesnt think carcel might like her, she doesnt think he cares for her, she wants a divorce and despite feeling conflicted at times (she herself is falling for him now), is still trying to set him up with so she can get a divorce to “finally get my end” thats what she says.
f^_^; uh do you see her brain now, she knows what she did was morally wrong, but it was the right thing for her. She hasnt outwardly said sorry but shes doing things to make up for it, and given the current situation(and her mental health).
Or atleast with the issue you have, given her personality, she finds it productive to do something about a problem, and for the issue here, is trying to leave this marriage (which is counter productive rn since they both have feelings for each other). I would like her to heal and talk to carcel about everything and verbalize how she feels (sorry and everything else).
Also thanks for this back and forth, i like havent spoken to a person in a while and ik we dont agree with each other but thank you for actually reading my dumbass essays and responding.(´∀｀)
I can see her pov. My issue are the people who keep justifying her just bc of her past. She didn't see what she did as wrong. She hasn't done anything to make up for it. She just moves on and doesn't admit to her faults bc she doesn't like to be wrong. In the novel at least they keep the lines where she reflects that she's wrong but in the manhwa, all those lines are cut so I can't see her knowing what she did was wrong. The only time she can see what she did may be wrong was her thinking Carcel deserves better but then she doesn't think about his current feelings still. She's still only thinking about her own. If she thought about his feelings, she wouldn't have tried continue to do what she did, especially when she already likes him. I want her to heal and talk to Carcel too but that's a gradual so all I want is for the manhwa to keep her thoughts that they keep cutting.
Ines always knew Carcel likes her. In the novel she knew since they were kids so she went ham in trying to make him hate her. After they marry, she knew he likes her after that seizure but she just keep denying it bc she didn't want to know. She is trying to get a divorce not bc she doesn't know he likes her. She does know. She just wants a divorce bc she only cared about her being right and not wanting to admit to her fault. All this cuts just doesn't make sense when the manhwa keeps following the novel but doesn't show Ines thoughts and everyone's just making up their own stories of how she may be feeling.
Although so far her brother's portrayal isn't doing him any favors, considering how mature and nuanced all of the characters are, it's not too much of a leap to assume that maybe ines is an unreliable narrator since we're so far only privy to her perspective right now. Based on ines' mention of how she never noticed the pained expression on his face, I'm guessing theres prob more to this story than we're seeing right now.
Everyone who keeps arguing about who’s more in the wrong aren’t looking at the details that actually matter: Cárcel in Ines’ previous life. Two things make ines look much worse than carcel no matter how you justify or argue against it.
1. From ines’ pov, carcel has never involved himself with her in any way except once. In season 1 she recalls how he risked his life to help Emiliano and her escape even tho he’s going against the royal family and could be killed. For that she is most probably confused, but also mainly grateful cause this man is risking everything for them.
2. Knowing this she still chooses to use him as a pawn at the age of 6 knowing she was going to divorce him no matter what in the end. And the only one who was actually 6 in that moment was carcel. Ines was a mentally grown ass women who’s lived three lives at this point.
I think that’s what makes Ines more in the wrong than carcel even if cheating is a big red flag. People argue she had no choice even if in was wrong for her to use someone. But not only was he a 6 year old who had done nothing to her in previous timeless, but he also RISKED HIS LIFE TO HELP HER AND EMILIANO. And she’s aware of this cause she mentioned it before. I think that’s what makes it worse. The audacity to use someone who’s helped you makes me personally feel as thought Ines has more to make up for to carcel than he does.
Also carcels very quick to apologize and admit his wrongs when someone or especially Ines points it out as we’ve seen. Ines never does though. Whenever Raul or carcel’s butler points out some flaw about her shes quick to use verbal aggression and her higher status against them as we’ve seen in her conversation with the butler when he points out how it’s unfair that she’s deceiving her husband, and when she talks down to Raul when he 1) told carcel about her sickness in season 1 when she collapsed and 2) Raul expressed his appreciation for carcel in season 2.
Well said.
I agree with your points except I don’t think she was ever grateful. I don’t recall her ever saying she was grateful. She only wondered why Carcel helped her people in the previous timeline. I think learning to be grateful or thankful to someone is something she currently have no concept of. It will most likely be an aspect of her character that gets development in this timeline only after realizing she lacks gratitude.
*clap* *clap* *clap* This story's only antagonist is her I believe. She has to defeat herself to reach a happy ending.
Gotta say, I think this the best explanation here. She had to change herself to be happy and she wasn't letting herself that.
You’re right. I think I accidentally mixed up my personal thoughts with Ines’ pov.
People keep bringing up carcel's womanizer reputation as a way to either say he deserves it or to tell other people that ines is justified in her treatment of him, but I don't think there's any correlation with that and the manhwa's conflict right now. Both Ines and carcel know about his reputation since its so obvious he would be seen as one considering his past. What's being emphasized right now isn't his obvious reputation but ines's positive reaction to it.
From his perpsective this is how he views things: He knows she doesnt love him and accepts that, but shes still the one who chose him to get engaged to when she had other options and still got married to him even after finding out about his cheating. Cause if she ever didnt want the marraige she had the power to break it off. Her dad doesnt even like carcel and her family name is more powerful than his. But still she never broke it off with him. So because of that carcel still thinks she likes and cares about him in some way even if she doesnt actually love him.
That's why right now hes hurt and confused when he heard from the crazy lady that ines's reaction to a rumor about him with another woman made her react positively. Like its one thing to not like your husband so you dont care if he cheats. But its another thing to encourage it and react super positively to it. Thats what hes so confused about. He thinks the only reason she can be so happy at him cheating is if she hates him. But then, from carcel's perspective that raises more questions. Because if she hates him so much why did she choose him when they were 6 and still continue to put up with him through the years when she clearly doesnt want him in any way. Thats his mindset right now with the limited amount of information he has.
I feel like people are getting defensive towards ines because carcel is hurt and trying to bring up his cheating past. But what you guys are ignoring is hes also mainly CONFUSED. For example, literally in this chapter he assumes she hates him cause shes indifferent and also seems to want him to cheat. But then she immediately says "I dont hate you". And now hes once again confused. We again know why shes doing it but carcels smart and hes slowly noticing the oddity the more hes with her. Because imagine without any context you find out your partner who CHOSE you and still wants you also WANTS you to cheat. I would be confused af.
I’ve felt this for a while now, but I feel like carcel’s such a breath of fresh air in the story. All the characters are great, but since a lot of the main characters in this story are very headstrong or pessimistic, carcel’s optimism and easygoing attitude makes him very refreshing in my opinion. He can accept anything without being stubborn, egotistical, or sensitive about it.
For example, a moment that really stuck with me is carcel’s teenager years. Most people would probably focus on the cheating, but I viewed him as admirable. He was an individual who was aware they were forced into an engagement against their will, yet he eventually sucked it up, moved past that and accepted it with no ill will towards ines, even going as far as to court her back. Yes, he eventually realizes he loved her, but at that moment he didn’t know it, but still acted so easygoing which I found impressive.
It’s done very subtlety and not really emphasized on, but if you pay attention to all of their small conversations together, Ines is quite tactless in the way she addresses and talks to him, yet he always just lets it go. It’s not even like he isn’t hurt, you can see he is, but he just decides to focus on the positive. His easygoing personality that is willing to accept every criticism makes him insanely likable in my opinion and feels like a trait that makes him more of a “good” character rather than a gray one because it’s a trait that allows him to easily fix any flaw he has in literally a chapter. He doesn’t need a long character growth arc. Someone telling him he sucks and he should fix himself is enough for him to be like “okay I’ll fix that” and he actually does.
OMG! Finally someone who gets the essence of Carcel’s character. This is so rare. This is exactly why I thought the author did a marvelous job with the ML. Just wait until you see more about how he is with his younger brother, in his past lives, his responsibility as an heir and the way he protected his mother’s hurt heart even when he was just a little boy of 6 years old. He always say sorry even when he did nothing wrong. He doesn’t hold grudges at all against people who do him wrong. Like Ines said last chapter, he doesn’t care about endangering himself but cannot bear to see her hurt in any way. That’s the kind of person he is for the people he loves.
Love this
Thank you for this analysis, it made my day. You explained it so well and voiced my thoughts exactly. There are so many people bitter about Carcel, but I just consider he did the best he could and made mistakes along the way, like the human being he is. The pressure of an arranged marriage and all and the way he never hold resentment to me is just a demonstration how thoughtful he was. Thank you (づ￣ ³￣)づ