Ichigo's Topics (2005)

I can see where you're coming from...I was thinking it'd be at least a bit more realistic if Hayashida went to go see a therapist or something for anger control and to overcome his past trauma..

Yeah... but instead he entered into a relationship with Shuuna who's ok with how he beat the shit out of his ex...

Thats bullshit, not everyone who has problems has the balls to go to therapy some people can actually get over situations on their own. He has a lot of pride from what I can tell maybe hw wanted to fox himself to not appear 'weak' or maybe he never wanted to be fixed? He wanted to suffer because he felt guilty for his actions.

Never give advice to people who need therapeutic help. You don't qualify and honestly, you're just plain stupid. Don't ruin people's live.

I'm just stating a basic fact, not everyone wants to receive help in these situations it's presumptuous to presume everyone who needs help can just be like ' oh I'm not okay I'll just go get some therapy' I think how things turned out are pretty realistic. I know plenty of people who have and have not received therapy for different circumstances, that's THEIR choice, obviously it would be better to. However, I was anorexic a few years ago, went to seek help and a shitty doctor made me feel shit and I recovered on my own through hard work. So go fuck yourself.

It's been a couple of years since Yumi and Hayashida were together. Hayashida was get abused at work and took it out on Yumi. He finally told Yumi to leave him because he knew eventually that he would severely injure Yumi to the point of no return. Hayashida left the job that physically, emotionally and sexually (heavily implied) abused him for another. It's been a couple of years since then and Hayashida is still punishing himself. Even though he wasn't the victim in his abuse disputes with Yumi, he is still not over it. Sure, Yumi moved on pretty fast, we can say that. However, Kan didn't, he won't even take the picture down even though he is in love with Shuuna. There are people who can recover without therapy. Sure, therapy is a great service, but you have to remember that people can recover in other therapeutic ways. I honestly believe Hayashida and Yumi need to see each other again, to have closure. So, I have to disagree with you. I feel that it is an unorthodox outlook at the abuser's perspective of recovery, which is something that isn't illustrated or told enough, we always see the victim's perspective...it's refreshing in a way.

But You also need to be qualified to diagnose someone for needing therapy. Its not so simple.

This

I agree with pidgehardy and kyra 23. People can recover in other therapeutic ways, it doesn't always have to be through psychotherapy. People who arent psychologist or psychiatrist can also help people in need to recover, and bring the best out of them. In this case, Shuuna help Hayashida-san in his own way, through understanding, forgiving, accepting, giving chances, trust, seeing each other as equals, those are qualities of compassion. Maybe some of us just haven't seen or consider the compassion Shuuna is giving to Hayashida-san. Please dont underestimate the power of compassion. Compassion has a healing effect :D that's why people suffering psychologically have the chance to recover without psychotherapy. Nothing's wrong with the story sensei's had decided. It's still pretty realistic. Also we cant compare a life of a manga character with ours, because a manga can never completely cover up the complexity of human's life, or human in general.

thank you.

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even people that have problems its not as easy for them to just get up and goto the therapist or whatever or maybe he did but the author didnt include it because it would have dragged out the series more or maybe she didnt want to draw that lol but he didnt just move on i dont think he planned to get into another relationship but after having sex with shunna he fell in love (▰˘◡˘▰)

also the author wanted to make it more inspirational in the way that it shows sometimes when something goes wrong you have to pick your self up or have a change or meet someone who will find the change in you....okay now im just spouting sentimental sh*t ...ill stop xD

"a bit perved"

yas!

i've already read about yumi and how he felt about the abuse. so, right now i'm interested in seeing a victim of abuse who actually came to the realization that's he's fucking both himself and yumi up with his behavior. no one is excusing what he did, but i'm here to understand the factors that contributed in his behavior towards yumi in the earlier series. You can't read none of Ogeretsu's works thinking that there isn't any complexity in the characters. If that's the judgement you made after analyzing how
toxic yumi and kanchan are together, then that's fine. Kanchan went through a lot of shit at work that made him lash out at home, on top of the person he's in love with---being in love with someone else. but when we think about it, that comes all back to kanchan because HE KNEW THAT YUMI WAS IN LOVE W/ SOMEONE & STILL PURSUED THE RELATIONSHIP & thought he could deal with being number two. Similar to how shunna is feeling right now.

There are so many responses here that I'm too lazy to read them all. Bottom line is, in reality, noone should be giving mental health advice unless they're licensed. And I agree that the story would be pretty boring if it's about him going to therapy. But I would have liked to see some progressive steps towards healing. Not just jumping into a relationship and that heals all...

Where did you see it being easy to fix and get over? It took more than 2 years for Hayashida to finally begin a relationship and he's not even at ease with himself because of his past issue with Yumi.
Also, maybe he should have gone and get some therapy but, like other people said, it's not easy for someone to just go and admit

Where did you see it being easy to fix and get over? It took more than 2 years for Hayashida to finally begin a relationship and he's not even at ease with himself because of his past issue with Yumi.
Also, maybe he should have gone and get some therapy but, like other people said, it's not easy for someone to just go and admit they have a problem and people can sometime slowly overcome things even without it.

I think the way the author is trying to convey the story would change then. It would be like ten count or something

Well, I am actually licensed as a psychologist and I have a bachelor's degree in psychology from the University of South Carolina and bachelor of science in nursing (I was a double major). I'm currently in a master's degree in nursing program, specializing in mental health. I work in facility called Three Rivers behavioral health, in the adolescent wing--filled with children who have been sexually, mentally, emotionally abused--some by their on parents or siblings, drug addicts and those diagnosed with conditions such as schizophrenia, ADHD, PTSD etc.. I work with them 4-5 days a week. So, I know about domestic abuse. As I stated before, there are many different types of therapy--but in some cases people can heal in other therapeutic ways.

Rather than health advice, I think no one, in reality, should diagnose another person and draw up some solution on their own, specially involving medication or some ritual and absurd methods. Therapy may come in different methods and may not always be the medical therapy that would come from a licensed professional. Advice from someone without license is not always bad.

Lol. When you know you're wrong and obviously outnumbered, you take the eady way out. It's so funny how some think therapy helps everybody when it is not true in most cases. Fundamentally, people are different. Not one cure can answer all problems.

Look at what you started. Now, everyone is talking about therapy...you know this story takes place in Japan right?

The country where, if I'm not mistaken, still has stigma on therapy esp psychological therapy. Is that it?

Let alone that it's expensive.

YASSSSS 100%

Same here.

Time to re-read (?) ╥﹏╥

Well, it's really a good one, so I think it's always a good time to re-read...over and over again ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

I kinda thought that too

LOL i never noticed that!

Lol, I feel the same way, no matter how many times I re-read it, this never makes any f-ing sense!

I know right? I feel bad for the nurse. She needs more than " will you wait for me?" after 2 decades like wtf.... why is he so arrogant?

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