So why do they even care so much about killing these kids? Not only are they illegitimate they are the 4th and 5th child. Neither are in the running for the crown nor do they seem to have any particular duties the kingdom would need them for. Unless there’s some ‘magic’ reason that will be explained later for whatever reason.
Maybe to hurt the Emperor since people are starting to notice that he cares for them? I'm also curious about the real reason :)
Honestly, from the comments and slander made by the servants/nobles previously, i think its only because they are illegitimate. Born out of wedlock, the children of a commoner woman....considered to be a disgrace for the royal family. Which is just so effed up because its not the children's fault. They never asked to be born and they are faultless. Its a frustrating concept even in our world... the word 'bastard' being attached to someone because of someone else's actions. Never made sense.....sry for the rant
I thought it’s as because all the nobles didn’t like how these “illegitimate” kids were starting to be treated like proper royalty and they were like “It’s a stain on our Empire” or something so they just decided to kill them because they didn’t like them. Kinda fucking annoying if you ask me
I like most of the answers to this, but also, like, I imagine the royal family is pretty coveted as marriage partners for the nobility, and imagine how much of a disgrace they would consider having their own lines marry into one they consider impure/illegitimate. Like, they probably can't refuse a kings order to marry one of them, so maybe they're trying to get rid of them before they could be a potential nuisance?
I think this is also a possibility, and I really can't wait to find out the answer to this as well
Those are all possibilities... but they just feel like such weak reasonings to me in the end. I’d be disappointed with the writing if “they’re illegitimate thus a stain” was literally it. It’s just so... bland
Lol they literally say illegitimate everytime they mention the twins, if that isn't at least 90% of the reason then what is?
That’s what I’m saying though. It feels like a weak reason to just kill them— especially to go out of the way to hire magical assassins and the like. But if that really THE ONLY reason all this is happening then it’s all just stupid
I love how this whole chapter is about him thinking of how to keep her by his side even though she’s already planned to swear loyalty since the beginning
Either he’s pregnant or the blood thing is confused because of all of the cum in him haha haha haha
We all know that BL logic dictates that they get together after this but I really hope they don’t.
What MD did was fucked up and honestly Chanwoo wasn’t in the wrong. He went to ask his Dom for permission to date because they had agreed to keep a strictly professional relationship. He wasn’t planning on dating behind his dom’s back which shows he really respected MD.
But then MD uses the other sub who just betrayed and hurt Chanwoo to hurt Chanwoo even more. I don’t want to believe that Chanwoo just used the safe word out of just jealousy. Sure there was probably some there but he only started crying when MD smiled. In Chanwoo’s eyes MD was enjoying Chanwoo’s misery and was putting so much emotional damage on him of course he was going to break.
To simplify Chanwoo’s tears as just jealousy would be dumbing down this horrific situation MD forced him into. Yes, forced him into. Sure he could have said no, but he just lost his boyfriend who was a traitorous scum and he was about to lost his Dom too if he didn’t go along with this. Also who would want to lose their partner to their betrayer? MD knew that no wasn’t really an option so he happily hurt a Chanwoo for his own self satisfaction. I don’t know too much about the BDSM world, but I’m pretty sure putting your sub through this level of emotional abuse is a big no and no amount of aftercare can really make up for the shit MD just pulled.
Do I want them to get together? Eventually. But not because of this.
thank you for saying this
Thank you! I'm so terrified that only a small percent understands the severity of the situation and sees how MD was in the wrong.
Once again thanks for perfect explanation.
I absolutely agree with this. This goes Against the consent they had going before, and it's just not healthy. MD needs to beg for forgiveness tbh
not he was in the wrong knowing MD feelings for him!! it was wrong from his side! think about how you feel if you tell someone you love them, and then him coming back with another girl to show off how in love he is. that will hurt you and it's not right!
This is all actual and all factual
That’s a situation that should be confronted through dialogue and open communication, not through manipulation or coercion into unwanted bdsm play like MD used.
Agreed
Not everybody you love has to be with you, that's a selfish and spoilt way of thinking. The relationship they had was business and Chanwoo respected MD and even asked his permission first when he didn't even have to. Just because MD says he loves Chanwoo doesn't mean Chanwoo has to bend over backwards to accommodate him, sorry that you live in a fantasy ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Chan still should have done that! no matter how prideful and how amazing he think he is, that was horrible and it is a fact! he should not have done that to MD!
Chan still should have done that! no matter how prideful and how amazing he thinks he is, that was horrible and it is a fact! he should not have done that to MD!
the show off his new sex partner - it was wrong and horrible from his side!
I know everyone's been saying it in the replies but I genuinely cannot thank you enough for this comment this is exactly what I've been preaching since like 3 chapters ago and I feel like no one has agreed or had a sensible opinion about it. Like people just salty cause they're so used to the ukes tripping over themselves to please the semes but MD does not own Chanwoo they agreed from the beginning it was purely dom/sub and Chanwoo has always been dating around. He was not "flaunting" his new bf or whatever, he was respecting their relationship by getting approval. He's not just gonna not date anyone or drop everything cause MD caught feelings when he doesn't return them oml. People need to be realistic. And realize how much pain MD put Chanwoo through, how toxic and abusive and unhealthily controlling this whole play has been. A simple apology ain't gonna fix it, especially after all his talk about treating Chanwoo right wtf
You’re siding with the abuser by trying to explain his actions as being ok. But that aside let me explain why you’re wrong. Because you’re placing the blame on the WRONG PERSON.
Chanwoo did talk to MD about it. They AGREED to keep it professional. That was the end of that conversation. If MD had a problem still he should have been the one to open that line of communication again. When MD went to meet Chanwoo and his then boyfriend, Chanwoo had already filled MD in on the situation because MD asked “is this him?” Along those lines rather than “so what is this about?” If MD had a problem with meeting, he would have brought it up before then or at the meeting. Obviously he was still butt hurt but how on earth do you expect Chanwoo to be a mind reader about that? At that point they’d agreed to be professional and MD had agreed to meet with his almost boyfriend to get permission.
Ultimately no one is in charge of taking care of MD’s feelings except for MD himself. He is not a child. He is a grown ass man in his thirties. Don’t coddle this character with the “oh but his precious feefees were hurt because someone didn’t want to date him”. You’re putting the blame on Chanwoo because he said no thanks— something that all of us have the right to say if someone asks us out.
in other words, it's okay to hurt someone else feelings cause you can and MD should respect that others ignoring his feelings?! that only common sense by the way when someone says he is in love with you. the fact that Chan is fucking dumb to get he is hurting MD feelings KNOWING he is in love with him is Chan fault.
and no I don't care what he did to Chan since he never said no! it was Chan choice to stay and it stays his choice! no matter how much a baby you make him out to be!
nope, I don't feel bad for Chan nor do I feel bad for MD, I only said the facts! you okay with uke hurting others' feelings but when Seme doing the same, he is abusive, how stupid!
So what if what Chanwoo did was a little hurtful? That was completely unavoidable. It would have been much worse if MD found out that Chanwoo was hiding a boyfriend from him.
It’s not like he was saying “hey look at this hot piece of ass I’m banging instead of you”. (They weren’t having sex yet anyway) At that point he was asking permission to officially date this guy who was treating him right for once in his entire life of dating abusive assholes. PERMISSION. That was a show of extreme respect to MD and MD decided to shit on that respect by forcing Chanwoo to have sex with the guy who betrayed him.
Is it rape if someone is coerced into sex even if they technically agreed? Yeah, it is actually. ((Ex from a show I saw a long time ago, a homeless mother agreed to have sex with the guy who impounded her car which was the only place she and her daughter had to sleep for the night because they had no where else to go. That’s rape.)) in this case chanwoo agreed to have sex with his betrayer/abuser because he was going to lose his partner if he didn’t. Feel free to make any connections.
I also don't get why everyone is talking as if Chanwoo charged into MD's apartment with his bf.... Without any word. When MD willingly met with them.
we actually didn't see what they talk about before they meet, and even if he told him it is still fucking horrible he did that to MD KNOWING his feelings for him! no matter how much you say it isn't Chan fault. if you can say it is still MD fault Chan hurt his feelings by bringing his sex partner to show off then the same I can say about Chan decides to stay and not say the safe word cause he got jealous to MD. it's not MD fault Chan was jealous and wanted to stay with him, MD should not baby him either or care about his feelings.
Chan isn't a baby either! so stop treat him like one!! he made his choice.
I’m so sure you’re not actually reading my comments because I’ve already refuted why what chanwoo did was not horrible. It was “a little hurtful.” If being honest with someone in a respectful way is considered abuse in your book then we’re just talking over each other and will never agree. Also I reread the chapter where Chanwoo turned down MD and MD quite gracefully accepts the refusal. And Chanwoo even goes on to ask if MD is okay to which Md says “of course.”
I also explained why “no” or saying the safe word at the start wasn’t an option either. But clearly you didn’t read that either or my example of someone being coerced into sex because they saw no other options.
Chanwoo isn’t a baby, no. He was sexually and emotionally abused by his trusted partners. Why wouldn’t I want to defend a victim from tone death readers who side with MD?
I can also see that we’re not going to agree and further argument is pointless. I’m just glad there are more people in this world that agree with me on this than.... whatever point you’re trying to make I suppose.
Bye bye
1. I never ever use the word abuse, YOU DID! cause abuse NEVER happens here. the fact you even using it show you don't know the meaning behind the word.
2. if you can say hurting other people's feelings, while you know they have feelings for you is “a little hurtful.” then what MD did is also "“a little hurtful.” since he gives him the choice to leave.
3. if you too young to read this DON'T read this!
after seeing chanwoo cry from all that emotional manipulation, how the heck can you still say that md is in the right here? regardless of whatever chanwoo “did”, what md did wasn't okay from any standpoint. like forcing him to suck another guy’s dick? not remotely ok. especially considering that md likely knew that chanwoo wouldn’t back down based on his personality. completely agree with you OP, and once again, thank you for posting this.
Lmfao you have to be troll because no one can be so dull
Lol ikr? They definitely don’t know abuse when they see it which is super concerning. And comparing turning down someone’s offer to date as being as hurtful as being coerced into sucking another dude’s dick, that you hate. sounds like they’re the ones too young for this
“I’m a blubbering baby and I love sucking cock that knows how to whip me back into place! Wah wah people should learn how to be such a good little sub like me!” ( ◠‿◠ )
“I’m a blubbering baby and I love sucking cock that knows how to whip me back into place! Wah wah people should learn how to be such a good little sub like me!” ( ◠‿◠ )
Actual and factual baby
Yes your first sentence is entirely true, it's okay to ignore or hurt someone else feelings cause you can. The other person has to deal with that because nobody is entitled to anybody else, and that's on freedom of self hun
Ohhh I see you a bit wild huh.
How you gon compare this grown ass man willfully meeting Chan's boyfriend to Chan being forced to have sex? Which may I mind you is rape?
Even if you say Chan was "given a chance to leave", manipulation is everything in this case, and you can damn well see that Chan was uncomfortable in that situation, that wasn't something he wanted.
1. They used the word 'abuse' because there was abuse; abuse and manipulation to say the least. You gon look at MD using Chan and making him have sex with someone who hurt him and say that's not abuse?
2. Are you seriously comparing MD's feeling and everything he AGREED TO to Chanwoo being respectful and respecting their BUSINESS relationship but still getting walked all over and literally molested?
3. Your mindset is entirely undeveloped and if you're not "too young" (meaning if you are older) you really need to work on some things
How you gon prioritize some feelings over an entire human being who has the right to say 'no' (be it fiction or not). You on a rape type beat and you need to stop. Good day hun
1. it wasn't abuse - HE HAD A CHOICE!
2. it never was respectful if Chan can walk all over someone else feelings like he did and even have the shame to come back to MD with another guy. they never really had only "BUSINESS relationship" if MD had feelings for him.
3. you a child and you can't come back with a better comment, yap it clear. if you a child don't read stuff you can't handle and called it abuse, okay child?
the rest of your bs, let's see "it's okay to ignore or hurt someone else feelings cause you can. The other person has to deal with that because nobody is entitled to anybody else, and that's on freedom of self hun"
you basically saying it's okay to ignore or hurt someone else feelings...and the other person has to deal with it, then Chan have to deal with someone else getting his place and MD demands too. there is nothing wrong then with what MD did if Chan can do it, so can MD. they are not baby's, they both grown-ass adults that can decide what to do in their lives. or you just saying bs that doesn't make sense at all cause you an idiot ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Alright me and every single other person here is an idiot bahahahah
Man your skull is thick. You should take a few classes on say: 'civil human rights', 'consent and how to recognize it', 'how feelings doesn't trump over logic and human right' and maybe 'how to not be a douchebag in general'
Update your mind hun, your ignorance is showing
In their way of thinking people who face abuse in relationships, marriage... don't face any abuse because they had a choice because could have left any moment.
So in my previous theory Lancelot was Gay for the Ares which was why he would always give the Ares money and eventually left the kingdom despite being begged to stay because the Ares got together with that other princess.
Second theory, Lancelot and the emperor got close over time and Lancelot eventually develops feelings for the emperor. Right now is too soon since the emperor is too young. So this would occur over the years. But because the emperor becomes a tyrant, Lancelot sides with Ares to stop the emperor. Unfortunately, the emperor dies and Lancelot leaves because of heartbreak.
Those are good theories, also according to what I saw, Lancelot knew the fl before his brother was emperor, so he probably fell in love with her and he left after she died.
Oooh I also like that theory. But poor Lancelot always leaving because of heartbreak
I hope this time he can be happy with the emperor ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
When the dad in the dream said, “it’s okay, it was cold.” I burst out sobbing because it felt like something a parent would say if that happened. No malice, just pure love and understanding with no desire to blame their child.
Ikr! It hits so deep
And then the dad was like "why is it so cold here, look how warm it is outside" I-
yeah, i couldn't help but cry. i had a full on breakdown about how i miss my dad as well and couldn't stop thanking my parents in my head because of how much warmth they've given me since i was born,,,,
It’s a sequel..... and I don’t like how they made the female MC of the last one the villain. Though it makes sense because of the shitty ending. Why was it shitty?
Her entire goal was to get rid of this horrible system and have everyone go home. Not only does no one accomplish that, she’s now in charge of the system. She isn’t stopping more people from showing up, so people are still dying, there are still masks, and nothing has really changed as we can see in this sequel.
Basically everything that the MC went through ended up being pointless. you can argue that’s the point of this manga, but unlike stories like Attack on Titan where everyone you love dies, there were only a few major deaths and one of them, the girl didn’t really die anyway. So rather than the manga feeling like it’s set in a hopeless world, There was a crazy amount of triumph and becoming the most OP person there ever was.
Which is why that ending was shit even though the author tried to frame it as a good thing.
Another romanticized rape to love manga with a lackluster plot. The smut was ok at best. 2/5 stars
Buu :) Personally I loved it ^^
Same(⌒▽⌒)
So there’s been some comments about the FL being a weak female character. I disagree. You’re judging her based on the way society views strength as being masculine and feminity as weakness.
As much as I love stories where the FL wields a sword and takes down the men around her, that isn’t too different from writing a male character, putting a skirt on them and saying, “this is a strong female .” Women come in all types with different types of power and it’s refreshing to see a more feminine strong woman. Although these sorts of FL seem more docile than the typical strong female trope, she’s strong in the way of her mentality, conviction, and love.
For example, a mother who chooses to stay in an abusive relationship to protect her kids is just as strong as one who is able to take her kids and leave.
We need to stop looking at strength as something Purely physical but also internal because that’s where women shine.
Beautiful statement and I agree wholeheartedly
All of this!! I completely agree!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8nRpJsQlk
Little Women - Marriage Is an Economic Proposition: Amy (Florence Pugh) explains her situation to Laurie (Timothée Chalamet).
A feminine conservative character who display internal strenghts and powers of self-assertion.
I'm glad that I sat and listen to your Tedtalk because PeriodT.
I love your TedTalk, sonic you excuse me, I would like to add more.
As you said, there is a tendency in these stories that a strong female woman needs to be a masculinised woman. What do I mean by masculinised? I mean, she needs to do the same the men in the manga do. If they wield swords, have magic, fight, be knights, or whatever, she will also do it, because she is a strong female lead.
If she ever does something femenine, she thinks that it does not suit her, that others will mock her for it because she is, basically, a masculinised woman, and, of course, being femenine or liking/doing femenine things doesn't suit her because she sees herself internal and subscoinciously as a man, not as a woman, and in these kind of historical settings, a man (even if it's a masculinised woman) being femenine is something to be mocked, because women are the "wrong, weaker sex that needs to be protected" (Sorry, I studied gender studies as an optative course in my degree and I love talking about these issues).
There are cases in real life in which queens, and I mean queens as they are the one who hold all the real power (coughcoughENGLANDcoughcough) had to make speeches for her army referring to themselves as if they were men, because a woman cannot lead am army, so they had to talk as if they were men.
Another thing to think about is that we see as strong the men who have an alternative masculinity in a world where their masculinity has to be the "I'll protect my woman because she is mine and I'm a strong alpha male who will fight you and drag my woman to my cave" one.as strong, but if they have this kind of masculinity, they are also strong, but if the female lead is not a masculinised woman, we see her as weak because she cannot do what the male lead can do, so I THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
Don't get me wrong, I love all kinds of strong female leads from Pauline (The Female Knight and the Emperor) who is physically strong and a badass to Yeninica (or whatever her name was because it's strange, from Seduce the Villain's Father) who is not physically strong but a total badass nevertheless.
Preach sis
Preeaaachhhhh, and also to the one who added additional info! I didn’t read this yet but I already agree
Society needs to stop looking at things from a view that separates people into boxes. I’m not gonna go cuz I feel y’all did a wonderful job explaining!
yes! I agree! I found myself wondering if she's a strong female lead and she is! The way she'll do anything to protect the princess and go out of her way to make sure her fiancé grows up well shows her strength. (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Great ! Thanks for the link, we certainly forget how we still live in the shadows of this culture for many, and sadly still exactly there for many
Gret tedtalk too :)
I can feel it— a sugary warmth that fills the cold dead spot where my heart once was.