What the ml did to mc is coercive and if he sleeps with him, it's going to be rape. Coercive rape. Mc is FORCED to say yes to this relationship because he will lose his job if he says no after this manipulative stunt ml pulled by mentioning their deal in front of mc's supervisors. This is messed up and unfair and ml's past and current situation isn't an excuse. I haven't finished the webtoon yet but i hope they won't brush it off and make mc immediately fall in love as if he wasn't fucking harassed.
I meant to downvote this but my finger slipped
Good to know you're okay with workplace blackmail and coercive tactics. Just know it's not a flex.
U need to continue, I also felt the same but the way the story develops it isn't like that
Thank you for informing the class , you're thick in more then just your head .
Ok lol
The thing is, do they address it? Or is it just accepted? That's what irks me. I haven't finished no problem with messed up stories, as long as it's not romanticised
i have no problem * lol damn autocorrect
Not really but *mild spoiler* they don't do anything without his explicit consent (like not coercive) both parties actually want to do it cuz they develop feelings for each other. The initial agreement was coercive but they only held hands for the longest time until feelings were actually developing. Yeah we could've down w the manipulation and blackmail but it's still a v cute read
So it's basically turn your brain off situation. Thanks for letting me know, not sure if i'll continue. It's the lighthearted treatment of it which irks me, so it's not my cup of tea(it's a personal trigger). But thanks for letting me know either way.
Did a man write this?
I was all for it until the incely 'slept with a lot of guys' comments of the guy and the obvious fact that the sex scenes were written by a virgin(although i don't necessarily require realism for smut). Not to mention the 'submissive' comments and the reactions of fl which very much remind me of the male gaze hentai archetype.
I’m guessing it was more like written by a horny girl who’s into booktok and ai men
Idk, i've read a lot of works(on ao3, wattpad and officially published ) written by women, including the type you mentioned and i've never seen one written by a girl, which involves a guy who makes these types of comments that are generally too unattractive and flat for the female gaze. On the other hand, i've read plenty of male gaze hentai that are pretty similar regarding the personality of the woman and the man in this manhwa.
Def a man. The delusional horniness and foot shots make it obvious
Yeah tbh the girl enjoying sex and ANAL as a virgin was something
So that there won't be any misunderstandings, the artist SUCKS at creating fl's expressions. They made her seem as if she enjoys what happens to her. That is NOT the impression you get from the book. And for those who call her stupid, try growing up in her environment, groomed and abused and you'll see how your oh so intelligent self wouldn't be as such, especially in this time period with literally ZERO true social interactions. I fucking hate ml, he's even more disgusting in the book.
If one person loved her, that was Fabian but he died unjustly from the hands of that worthless sociopath who gets a kick from torturing a little girl that has nothing to do with what happened to him and his mother. He DOESN'T care about how she feels and what happens to her as long as he can have her around to use her. He only cares about power, he's nothing but a hollow piece of trash that is unable to ever feel anything as emotionally complex as love. He's only capable of selflove. He sees her as someone bellow him, as less than an object. Life next to him is and will keep on being miserable for fl. Fuck i would pay the author to read an alternative ending where he dies painfully so i can laugh. But that's not possible so... The novel was just misery porn unfortunately.
So basically ml will not hv any redemption arc? Just him being shitty n fl accepting him?
unfortunately yes
Can you tell me what happens after chapter 50. Will he actually get married to another woman and will he make daphne jealous
That piece of crap saying he loves her is such a fucking joke. He only loves himself and his pleasure.
Ah yes, you said sorry for one of the countless disgusting things you've done. What now? Want a cookie for it?
Still better than nothing at least. Also Taeui is HORRIBLE at explaining. I think he most likely confused Ilay even more with that half assed explanation about how emotions work.
Notice how there's no romance tag? Brace yourselves
damn didn't even notice welp
This was an absolutely heartbreaking story which didn't sugarcoat the effects of abuse, mental and physical. Sexual abuse WASN'T romanticised nor justified, no matter what the translator notes said, which misinterpreted a lot of the scenes. It was so painful and realistic, i barely stomached most scenes. The ending was painfully sad because if you notice the detail of Minho questioning once again what's the meaning of staying alive, it indicates that actually nothing changed and his abuser successfully managed to break his resolve for a better life, he managed to distort his view, making him instead believe that there's nothing there for him. His first successful attempt at breaking Minho was when he beat Minho and canceled his Job opportunity. This job was an incredibly important step for Minho, it was the moment he finally found the courage to pursue something after all that guilt. It wasn't about the money, it was about the mental strength to get back on his feet and he had this utterly crashed. Then add the constant mental and physical abuse, the voice which kept on repeating to him that he doesn't deserve forgiveness and that he's cheap. The gangrape scene and him saying "pay me first" absolutely broke me. Minho didn't return to Wookyung because he forgave him but because he is trauma bonded to him, because he was made to believe that there's nothing but his abuser in store for him. He doesn't love Wookyung, not even in the sexual sense. He's a straight man that was continuously raped, let that sink in. He's not bisexual, he's straight. He's a victim of sexual abuse and nothing more. His coping mechanism of drinking to disassociate or having sex was so realistic it kind of hit close to home.
As for Wookyung, yes he's also a victim of abuse, just like many abusers. This of course doesn't justify his demented actions of abuse. Noticed a certain pattern with him? Even when he felt sorry about something he did, he still repeated the abuse. He didn't stop. He was blind to ANYTHING Minho felt. Yes, abusers can feel sorry about what they do, but only in the moment, because in the end, it's all about them and the dependency they have in their victim. He is mentally ill and unless he gets treatment, he'll never be able to truly love someome. It will constantly be "sorry" then back to selfishness and abuse. The ending symbolised that nor Wookyung nor Minho changed their situation, Wookyung once again chose to be selfish by begging him to come back and Minho is still depressed and purposeless after being broken by Wookyung.
I loved this story because it's fucking realistic, unapologetically showing us the ugliness of abuse. It's NOT a romance story. Personally, i find the 'uWu hEs yAnDeRe' or 'bDsM it's SeXy when Minho cries' takes incredibly shallow regarding this masterpiece. These two aren't meant to be 'shipped', they are characters in a story depicting something very painful and true to everyday life.
WELL WRITTEN!!! i agree 100%
thank you
If only i could vote this comment more than once. Reading this manhwa feels too close to reality for anyone who had been through the same thing. Thats why i was furious at the translator comments, and reading the threads made me wonder how many people also misinterpreted this kind of abuse thinking it was romance..
yeah i was so pissed bc at the end of the day, this is the author writing about abuse. she did not romanticise it nor did she sugar coat it. she wrote it as horrifying as it can be, it’s going to instill feelings of disgust and distress. it’s almost the same as that korean movie about a boarding school of disabled kids being abused. personally i cant handle watching children get abused so i avoid watching it but i don’t degrade creators for making these types of stories bc it has to be shown. there must be representation and light shone on it so ppl will know that these things do happen, and maybe people can resonate and not feel like a freak for going thru sth that isnt normal. plus the translator trying to rewrite the story with her shallow fanfic to cope WHILE shaming the real author… i just cant take it man. just dont read these works where nobody irl was harmed in the process if it angers and hurts them so much. and if it does anger u, if it does horrify u to the point of lashing out, why tf would u continue to translate it and share it. it’s the same as how if im watching/ translating sth that has child abuse in it, i would drop it and get someone else to translate it. there are sooo many stories of abuse where the mcs get treated WAY WORSE than this PLUS it’s fetishsized. but guess what? I AVOID IT. if u cant handle certain types of stories JUST AVOID IT DAWG.
I'm annoyed by the misinterpretation of the story by the translator as well, especially with the fact that they gave them a cutesy fanfic to cover the 'bad' one. It's kind of like spitting on the meaning of the original.
And don't get me wrong, i have nothing against altering a story for the sake of creativity or whatever. It's the reason they chose to do it that irked me. It's like the whole point of the twisted relationship between these individuals flew over their head.
Also their comments under every panel worked as means to manipulate how other readers interpret the story, which was another reason why i got annoyed.
I also dislike the fetishising comments, because these indicate lack of understanding as well, regarding this very detailed and well written story. They are free of course to have their opinion as long as they don't impose it on others like the translator.
thank u for ur comment honestly!!! as an abuse victim i wanted to speak up also but didn’t know how to put it in words!! so frustrating that ppl j dont get it!!!!! muacks
i completely agree with this thank you.
ur so right this bro, amen
On the topic regarding Caesar and Leewon's empathy: You can understand someone without excusing his actions. Trauma isn't an excuse for abuse, it just explains how someone is primed to think.
Don't get me wrong, i like the story because i like dark stuff but i still do NOT think that his upbringing should be used as an excuse for his actions. He still had the option to not be a piece of trash, he knows that he IS hurting Leewon, but his selfish need to possess him overpowers this.
A relationship cannot work with selfishness as its foundation.
Lots of people grow unloved, chased, abused and even tortured but still do not become abusers. Now you'll tell me he didn't have the time to actually grow as a person due to the fact that he's in the mafia and therefore constantly in war since his biryh, and i'll tell you sure, you're right. But this still doesn't change the fact that he's a horrible human being and his backstory doesn't and shouldn't earn him forgiveness but only an explanation.
Outside of fiction NO one deserves the torture of being with a person like him.
My point is, no one needs to "remember" his past while witnessing his disgusting actions, rough childhood or not, understanding his insecurity born from his unloving environment or not.
You don't need to remember his 'sad past', when you feel disgust for what he is doing in the 'current' moment. His past doesn't remove the effects of his actions happening at the current moment and thinking it does, is in my opinion an incredibly damaging mindset to have.
Empathy doesn't warranty sympathy, especially when you're the side receiving the abuse. Empathy means you have the ability to understand someone and understanding someone's feelings, motivations and mindset doesn't mean you have to agree or even forgive it if it affects your personal values and wellbeing. I'm really annoyed when people(not in this comment section necessarily, i'm just speaking in general) think that with empathy you automatically forgive and accept everything about the other person. It cannot be explained in such a simplistic way because it's a way more complex process.
This article is the only one i found which explains it in a simplistic yet accurate way: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/social-empathy/202008/empathy- does-not-mean-acceptance. (connect it from where i left a space for the link to work)
Girl this is a book?? Do you need a publisher
You do have the option to scroll away if you're not interested at reading my comment. Simple as that.
I think the person above was saying that that person WROTE a book in the comment section, and asked if they need a personal publisher.
I'm sorry, i'm a bit slow regarding this matter (pulling all nighters doesn't help lol) so could you explain it again? I don't think i have the braincells currently to understand what you mean. What person wrote a book? I perceived it as sarcasm for a too 'long', according to them, comment
Oh wait, you said 'that person' when the person who wrote the comment is me so i got confused for a moment lol Sure, perhaps they said this to be perceived directly as it's read but it's not wrong for me to interpret it as sarcasm unless the comment themselves tell me otherwise.
Oh, I know! I understand how it could be perceived as sarcasm, I was just saying how it might not be. Sorry if I sounded rude or anything.. (｡ŏ﹏ŏ)
You didn't, no worries. I just got confused haha
Oh, okay! ( •ᴗ•)
I know this is purposely written to be dark and all, but i think it's really badly written, to the point i can't enjoy it. Their dialogues are certainly not intelligent, ml who is supposed to be cunning and smart, can actually easily get humbled, it was really frustrating seeing fl getting so easily swing around by him. He's not smart and the things he says can easily be turned against him, to the point i want to scream when fl doesn't take the opportunity. I've read black flag romance before, where fl truly gets cornered by ml, without any opportunities to fight back, so this story is pretty mid to me.
WAIT CAN U GIVE ME SOME RECCS PLS
Give us recsssss
Right hahha
Me tooo, give recs
Recssss pleaseeeee ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
don't be all talk REVEAL THAT "have read before" novels or whatever you're saying cause imma judge if it's real lmao
So far there's only a few smartly written story I've read. One is bl genre then the rest are real historical books lmao
I'm interested so drop the name or link.
btw Bridgerton series is well written as well but seems the adaptation kinda butchering it. It's one of my wildest fantasy to read a book like Bridgerton but darker like literal killer vibes
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Blood and gold fanfiction by ObsidianPen
If i can't have you by Deathsdoll (OG book in ao3)
The community by Deathsdoll (OG book in ao3)
Formless bl webtoon and novel (in the novel it's more clear how ml conditions mc to depend on him)
Through a glass, darkly by nenia cambell
And MAAANY more which do not come to mind right now and i don't feel like searching my history. There are countless talented authors in the world which make the dialogues and world building in this story seem like a joke.
Congratulations, you coaxed these out of me (manipulative little shit).
For more, consult the dark romance and yandere male subs on reddit.
Pretty sure there are plenty of smartly written, as you so nicely put it, manhwa as well(even Matthias from cry even better if you beg is smarter than this ml based on the novel). They simply do not come to mind right now, i've read too many things.
Now kindly STOP PESTERING ME AND SEARCH BY YOURSELF.
The end.
Thanks. Now I have reason to lock myself yet again in my room hehe
I feel in love with you i think?
NOOO my heart aaaaa He made him cry He cares so much about what mc thinks of him and it's messing with me. Damn it, he's so cute