I thought it was coming. but not that fast XD god I hate that black hair guy so much! what a pain in the ass, he only want to make her suffer. [I forgot his name but I meant her ex that mass around with her]
I actually be happy if she end up with her ex, just so she can teach him a lasson and stop him from massing around with others life's.
but I doubt it, so we have cosin's has a pair, her friend with the other girl that I forgot her name and the two actuall real brothers.
can we really say we didn't see that coming? now we only wait until all the incest couple's will get together and the two girls too.
hahah I love the author notes!!! I just love them! and I like this comic and the story. it sooo cute and funny and adorable! XD
keep up the good work! you awesome, thank you for Translating this (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I actually think it's not the author but the translator XD
oops sorry, I meant to say the translator >o< but instead use the author. sorry I meant the translator. she awesome!!
I kind of know it will end this way, but not how much twisted it is XD it surpise me actually.
am I the only one that think that Chersi is doing good things to norman? really? oh well XD
in a way he kind of save him, from himself by going to level 4 and it kind of ironic in a funny twisted way. I acutally like this ending.
So rape is good? No more people DO think that way then don't. Glad I'm not one of them. Thx.
not the rape, what come AFTER that. you know AFTER THAT. is it really that hard to think about?
so I notice that anyone that never had brothers/sisters and never felt what Fox felt, don't get him. it kind of sad ╮(￣▽￣)╭ ╮(￣▽￣)╭
and the most sad thing is they don't get how horrible wrong the parents were in this story to fox and the brother that kill himself. I just hope people will learn not to do what they did.
so many people [I seen in the comment saction] that still jodge and hate Jiwook/fox without even trying to get his side or knowing if it was even him that make his bro kill himself.
it kind of sad, to say the truth. cause it can happen to anyone, really. if they be in that kind of environment. environment that regularly compares him to his brother FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE!! not just his parents, not just his parents friends, it also his class mates! every day, all the time! HOW HORRIBLE IS THAT?!! this is also some kind of Bullying. not Physically, but mentally it still a horrible abuse!
now in the new ch, we see how much Fox/ Jiwook seek the most horrible punks to hung around with and to change himself to someone "bad" cause he hate himself enough to do that. how sad is that for a person to hate himself that much even if his brother love him the most!
to hurt his body with smoking and to be someone he's not. HE IS NOT A BAD GUY! he just weak and didn't know how to handle that abuse he got all his life.
maybe he started to think he "deserve" to be abuse cause he's a "bad" guy like they say.
I repet it has much has people need too! he just don't know how to deal with the Jealousy and horrible self esteem he got from his "great" parents and environment. and when he yalled at his brother, when he hurt his brother we see that part him thought he's happy to see him suffer has much has he is. but the other part, that he don't understand, that part was in pain to hurt his brother he love. and the more he hurt his brother, the more he hurt himself.
cause Fox hate himself enough, when it hurt him to see his brother suffer, he thought he "deserve" it. in a funny way, it just another way to hurt himself. cause he hate himself enough to want to do it.
so if I conclude it, Fox LOVE his brother the most!! he love him much more then anyone else and he fall apart all alone without anyone notice it! and now he will never get him back. it soo sad!! he's my new favorite character now! OMG (☆▽☆)
Well he love his brother the most, alright. So much love that he drove him to death, not that he know that yet, the bastard. It's sad that his brother is not coming back and it's sadder that he's the cause of it ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Oh, you lovable soul.
Truely admiring your conclusion in the face of all this crazy logic!
but he didn't change because he hted himself?? He said it himself, he changed because it made his brother feel guilty and he loved it. I mean yeahh he was compared to his brother A LOT and he had an incredible inferiority complex, but that doesn't weigh up for all the horrible, horrible things he did to his brother (getting him raped, bullied and making him suicidal for example)
I say it again, it seem people don't get it - WHO SAID HIS BRO DEATH WAS CAUSE OF HIM?!!! show me proof!
he said himself, that he hate himself and that he wanted to be "new me", even before he start to abuse his brother.
his brother only notice the change after he start to hung out with the punks and then Fox start to yell at him and abuse him.
read this chapter again, and come back to me.
yeas he did horrible things, but...I SAY IT AGAIN - who said he was the one who arrange the rape?? the guy that arrange it, is actually seem like the crazy guy that called fox. so...again, you don't know if it was really him or not. in reality you don't really know it was him.
I still waiting to find out what really happen there!! cause your guess is has good has mind.
Yes! Thanks for being one of the few that has a different view. I totally agree with you.
Of course, Jiwook did bad stuff and said bad stuff! But we have to remember that he is someone who was placed in a bad environment. He didn't NOT have a choice in what he did, of course he made all the choices himself. But as a kid who loved his brother so much but also as someone who wanted to have an identity of his own, he didn't know what to do. I'm not letting the bad stuff he did pass (and I'm not saying you are either) but I think we should not let his past hurt float away, ignored by the bad he's done.
The bro didn't kill him, he drove him to his death. Why? Johoon implied it himself, he's involved with the rape. If he isn't then he should not act so relentless like he did something wrong. He's guilty but is that going to bring back Siwoon to life? No. He's not innocent. He may have love his brother very much but does that change something? No it doesn't because Siwoon died. Okay maybe he's not the cause of Siwoon's death but place yourself under Siwoon's shoes. If you know that your sibling is involved with your rape, what would you feel? it will KILL you inside. That's what we call betrayal. I don't hate Jiwook, I just don't like him.
So, you are ignoring the fact that Jiwook was also hurt? By your logic, we can also say that Siwon led Jiwook to being a delinquent. Every situation has different factors that causes it to occur. Not saying that Jiwook is innocent of all the bad things that happened to Siwon. Of course, he may have been a big factor in those things. But just because Siwon is the ultimate victim in this story, Jiwook CAN'T be a victim as well?
I'm trying to understand your comment. Please don't think I'm trying to attack you ┗( T﹏T )┛. I just don't know how to phrase my words to make it sound less aggressive... ╥﹏╥
I really want to understand your hate for Jiwook and why you think he can't be a victim. I personally think that Jiwook did NOT drive his brother to his death although he was a major factor. Siwon chose to do what he did and believed that he had no choice (I don't blame him). I don't want to sound like I'm victim-blaming Siwon. It was a devastating thing that happened but we can't do anything about his choice.
I"m not saying he's good either, but putting all the blame on him with no proof that it was really him is stupid.
and he's already pay the price, he lost his only twin. I think it enough. and I think the parents should be punish has well for what they done with them!
one, you don't know who really droove him to his death yet. two, Fox already pay the price. three, I"m not saying he's didn't do anything wrong. just why he did what he did and what make him do what he done.
I"m not forcing you to like him, just that you won't blame him just for fun with no reason!
sorry I sound kind of angry -0- it's not you. I"m just tired of people that just decide to make complex characters into a "bad", "good" category's and see it has black or white. it's annoying!! cause in life there is no such thing has only "good" people.
that what I LOVE IN THIS COMIC!!! ヾ(☆▽☆)ヾ(☆▽☆)ヾ(☆▽☆)ヾ(☆▽☆)
Tell me what the bad environment was:
Did his parents rape him?
Did they beat him?
Did they deny him food?
Did they deny him education, clean clothes, a bed?
Did they call him names?
If you see the scene where they are sitting around the living room, they talk to both boys normally. They have no idea the shit going down with these two.
Even in the flashback where Jiwook notices his brother is getting the praise, no one called him ugly or stupid or useless. They praised the brother who was excelling more (which happens in all households where htere is one kid much smarter or more athletic or handsomer/prettier). Jiwook decided to take it as "my brother stole my place and my things." But no: He needed to make his own place and excel at his own things (if not academics, something else).
Now, let's look at Taemin:
His father abuses.
His mother abandons.
His father abandons.
He lives in a shithole.
He has to leave school to work and support himself.
Does he go out and blame everybody and their cousin and decide to cause pain? No, he keeps on keeping on with integrity. He struggles for EVERY DAMN thing he has.
In contrast, Jiwook whines, decides to play the victim, is not grateful for all the blessings and advantages he has, doesn't look to make his own better path, no indication he tried to outdo his brother studying. No, he decides it means he's shit. Instead of thinking of how to shine, he decides he's prefers making his brother miserable. How to cause pain. He looks down on the kids at the karaoke place (even though he hates that he thinks people look down on him, he does the SAME FUCKING THING to others). Then he still hangs around with a guy that he sees abusing his friends (so abuse is okay, but not people praising his brother, yeah, ok) That's evil. EVIL. Not crazy: evil.
Even when he had a chance to change, repent, show his brother kindness because HE COMMITTED SUICIDE, for fuck's sake--no, he encourages him to kill himself again.
If there is anything good in Jiwook, someone is gonna have to show me the chapter and verse, cause it isn't there. (Not yet)
I love him cause it was so much fun to analyze him, he's not totally insane person. he still have logic [the insane one is the one who call him XD]
funny enough what we see in the first chapter is the result of years of self hate and what it can do and abuse environment with no physical abuse. that was actually very good build character!
I'm blaming him for fun? FUN? So being involved in a rape is FUN? I'm just saying that I don't hate him just in case you're misinterpreting it. For no reason? You just admitted that he did something wrong. Whatever, we'll see in the next chapters anyways. Look at when Jiwook thought Siwoon survived, did he breakdown and said sorry? No he still taunted him. He actually said it was bad that he survived. It's not his fault that he was in that environment, I agree. Actually, I blame their parents for not knowing anything. Maybe they are just sipping a cup of coffee while they're not aware that there's something going on with their sons ╮(￣▽￣)╭ You need to look at the present because it is happening currently. His backstory is painful, being in that environment is fucking hard (i have a taste of it too so i know) and even his parents did not do anything. Your thinking is great but not accurate or overall right. At that time, he forgot to look at his brother because jealousy clouded his mind so he thought that JooHon's the only one he can lean on (Joohon's a manipulative mofo, I ship them together tho). His desire to have an identity overpowered his love for his brother. I actually like the pathetic him in the past than the asshole in the present. If we ever see Siwon's perspective too, I don't think you'll like him anymore. The author's very great to twist our opinions like that. He's actually fucking adorable in the latest chapter, sometimes I just want to think that he's not going to be involve in his brother's rape. Thanks for your theory now that I realized that I like his past self but not the present.
Tell me what the bad environment was:
Did his parents rape him? – "
so you saying what his parents did is a good thing? Rape is not the only way to abuse people. Words can hurt and abuse too! Google it.
Did they beat him?
Again, WORDS CAN HURT AND ABUSE TOO! google it.
Did they deny him food?
They deny him Unconditional love, so yeas it kind of "food" to the soul XD they didn't give him that food. Yap, they Neglected him.
Did they deny him education, clean clothes, a bed?
Again, this is not Replaces Unconditional love as the person he is. That he never got anywhere, right?.
Did they call him names?
THEY NEVER EVER PRAIZE HIM IN HIS ANTIRE LIFE WHILE HIS BROTHER THEY DID ALL HIS LIFE! IS THAT NORMAL TO YOU?!! if it does, then it fuck up!
"If you see the scene where they are sitting around the living room, they talk to both boys normally. They have no idea the shit going down with these two."
Cause they don't care enough to ask.
"Even in the flashback where Jiwook notices his brother is getting the praise, no one called him ugly or stupid or useless. They praised the brother who was excelling more (which happens in all households where htere is one kid much smarter or more athletic or handsomer/prettier)."
Maybe, but not only one brother! And not the parents! What normal in family's is that one brother have his friends while the other have other friends. Here FOX NEVER HAD ANY!!! Not even once!! That fuck up if it's true! Again, I seen it in real life so...yeas it fuck up to prefer one brother over the other! It is fuck up! If you think it normal to prefer one brother over the other, go to therapy.
"Jiwook decided to take it as "my brother stole my place and my things." But no: He needed to make his own place and excel at his own things (if not academics, something else)."
What else he should have done? What??? He try the academics [read the other chapter] it didn't work, he try to dye his hair – DIDN'T WORK! He try to change his clothes – nope didn't work. He even try to change his fucking personality - and it only back fire him!! so what do you want him to feel Joy from it? You tell me, if you live in the shadow of your brother, until your existence won’t matter to anyone, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO what would you have felt? Joy right? You be supper happy and love yourself right??? again, he isn't an angel. he did bad things, but he also got hurt not less from other characters in here.
"Now, let's look at Taemin......"
I love how people think they the same, while they not. They different people, live in different environment. The only thing that do similar in those two is that they both can't really learn to love themselves. And both show different ways to deal with it XD that what I love about this. weak people do exist in this world that can't deal with self hate.
"Does he go out and blame everybody and their cousin and decide to cause pain? No, he keeps on keeping on with integrity. He struggles for EVERY DAMN thing he has."
already answer it, they both deal with self hate in a different way! That show they not the same! Not everyone in the world deal with things the same way you do!
"In contrast, Jiwook whines, decides to play the victim, is not grateful for all the blessings and advantages he has, doesn't look to make his own better path, no indication he tried to outdo his brother studying. No, he decides it means he's shit. Instead of thinking of how to shine, he decides he's prefers making his brother miserable. How to cause pain. He looks down on the kids at the karaoke place (even though he hates that he thinks people look down on him, he does the SAME FUCKING THING to others). Then he still hangs around with a guy that he sees abusing his friends (so abuse is okay, but not people praising his brother, yeah, ok) That's evil. EVIL. Not crazy: evil."
Wow and we thought Fox was in self denial, actually fox at least honest with himself by adimiting very clear "I’m much worse". What also say a lot about him, it's not that he see himself has a victim. Only that he adopt what others think about him and ready to punish himself by doing the same to others, by making other suffer like him. even if he isn't really a bad guy like they treat him.
You should watch kodocha to see an example. When people say you demon for a long time, you will become one even if you not! Psychology is an amazing thing XD
"Even when he had a chance to change, repent, show his brother kindness because HE COMMITTED SUICIDE, for fuck's sake--no, he encourages him to kill himself again."
I think I said that before to people, why would you be kind to someone you not only hate but also super jealous of?! and the one guy that make you hate yourself? funny enough when we see him in the first chapter, we see the result of years of self hate and what it can do to human bean and abuse environment. that was actually very good build character! After he commit suicide, I guess Fox already got used to hurt himself until he was sure he enjoy it. It kind of sad XD
"If there is anything good in Jiwook, someone is gonna have to show me the chapter and verse, cause it isn't there. (Not yet)"
if you want to hate him, hate him. it's like they say "haters are going to hate no matter what." but if you want to understand what make him turn out the way he is, then yeas he's awesome! just the fact he didn't do really anything, he didn't hit him or abuse him even if everyone love him more show he isn't that bad like you all make him out to be. and he never told him how hurt he is to live this way! And in this chapter, when the brother didn't notice how much in pain he was, that actually hurt him. what show that he did care and that he's sensitive. He wanted someone to notice, but no one did!! I’m tired of people that blame characters with no reason! While there is much more fuck up characters in here. THEY BOTH Victims! That's all.
we don't know if he was involve in the rape, we do know fox was suppose to be raped. and we don't know what Fox actually did. so...
maybe fun is not the right word? XD convenient, yap more convenient to blame him in all. yap, convenient is the right word for it.
like I say, he's not an angel. he did learn well from the punks, but he had his reasons. I hate more the guy that acutally watch and enjoy the rape - the guy who called him. now I start to think he did it for FOX XD cause he want his ass. won't be surpise.
"did he breakdown and said sorry? No he still taunted him. He actually said it was bad that he survived."
I know you all expecting him to say sorry to the brother that he hate and super jealous off for years ever since he was young. but it dosn't make sense, just saying XD cause I seen it in the real world. jealousy between brothers/sister is a common thing, and they never say sorry. ever!!
"You need to look at the present because it is happening currently."
I tell you what I see in the present, I see a very jealous brother, that we already know from the start. a very miserable one that can't find peace of mind [ monologue before the mirror] and I see a very freak out and weak guy cause a crazy guy called him. that saying someonthing. oh and I believe in Tamin words about him from the very start "a barking dog don't bite" XD but that what I see. he never once hit him in the present, not once.
well at least you like him in some way, that something right?
Well his brother died. The least Siwoon can get is an apologize even tho it's Taemin in his place ╥﹏╥ wtf i can't wait him to see him suffer after finding out that Siwoon actually died. You'll only regret things at the end. The treatment he did to his brother is more than I can ever handle. It's true that he suffered in a bad environment but I'll be damn if he bullied his brother. He tormented and helped that fucking bastard to ruin him. I don't feel sorry for him. I will only feel pity for him if Siwoon actually survived. I just hoped TaeMin will teach him a lesson so he can see that it's not only him hurting, his brother suffered a lot under his jealousy. That doesn't change the fact that he's an asshole. I hope he realized and felt sorry for those years of hatred towards his brother. That his hatred along with others drove him to death. If he only talked about it with his brother and set aside his pride, everything will atleast be a less painful.
Jiwook is worse than Joohoon when it comes to the SiWon situation. Because Jiwook is FAMILY and his first regard, even if he's burning with jealousy, is to protect the life of a family member. That he wanted his brother dead judging by his own words and actions, makes him WORSE than Joohoon, since Joohoon is nothing to SiWon (not a relative, not a friend, not anything). But Jiwook had many years of loving and being love by his brother, and the simple fact that once the suicide attempt happened, his heart should have been shocked out of his wicked jealousy. THAT should have snapped him into remorse. THat it only made him continue to bully his brother verbally and via actions, even when his brother had suffered a gang-rape and a fall and a coma, says a lot about Jiwook.
Maybe if he was ugly instead of beautiful he'd have a lot less sympathyt.
"Maybe if he was ugly instead of beautiful he'd have a lot less sympathy" THIS. SO.FUCKING.TRUE
Already paid the price. With what exactly?
You should watch kodocha to see an example. When people say you demon for a long time, you will become one even if you not! Psychology is an amazing thing XD
No. No no :I. If that were the case, all people would live and act by stereotypes and I would be stealing peoples cars or mugging them right now because people assumed I would and have treated me as if I would before. A more accurate thing to say would be 'sometimes' this happens. But then those sometimes it doesn't mean you're magically absolved from your bad actions. If someone were to treat me like a threat(like I was a mugger to bring up that old example) and I went 'eff all this, everyone treats me like a thug so I will thug it up and mug them!!!!' that doesn't mean that woah be unto me society turned me into a mugger because of the things people say. It would be an explanation to a part of why I decided to flip out and mug someone, but at the end of the day the onus is still on me. I made the decision to do wrong, therefore I was bad. It's not just the action that's bad, it's my personal decision to do that thing that would make me bad in this example.
And whatever involvement JiWook may have had in the death of his brother, HE should be judged and not just his actions based on backstory. And honestly, he made the personal decision to tell his brother he should have succeeded in his suicide. That's called bullying, whatever the reason. Even if he had nothing at all to do with the rape or he was just guilty of standing back and watching (because coincidence only goes so far and he was close tot he prick who had his brother raped. But honestly, it looks like he was involved to some capacity http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-33/15/ and the next page as well Accidentally "selling" your brother out to a guy you know is violent is still like... he knew this guy was crazy and violent so...), he still told his suicidal brother who I'm assuming knew what happened to him is... bullying and wrong.
Also...
so you saying what his parents did is a good thing? Rape is not the only way to abuse people. Words can hurt and abuse too! Google it.
Can you please tell me where in the comic it showed that his parents were awful to him and didn't love him? Cause it wasn't at the party where we didn't hear them say anything. And was I the only one to notice no one said anything mean to JiWook and it was simply omission of compliments that made him think that's what they were saying? Like...
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-33/39/
the faded bubbles are merely what JiWook thinks they're saying (none of these people are their parents, btw). And the evidence that this is merely his own paranoid thought is this page
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-33/45/ because he probably didn't say that, judging by the next page. JiWook is just imagining the insults and more blatant comparisons.
Did they call him names?
THEY NEVER EVER PRAIZE HIM IN HIS ANTIRE LIFE WHILE HIS BROTHER THEY DID ALL HIS LIFE! IS THAT NORMAL TO YOU?!! if it does, then it fuck up!
Please show me the page we see this on (legit, cause I don't remember him saying that at all or it even being a fact), if we need evidence that JiWook was involved directly in the rape then we can't try to make his backstory sadder to make his dickishness look more explainable. We don't see his parents comparing them at all. Not even once with any reliability. The people he assumed were comparing him to his brother were outside sources. We don't know if his parents praised him or not because he never really says it. For all we know it's his imagination again. And further more, in the state of mind JiWook seems to have, parental praise is peanuts and they're required to say them.
So... really when he was a child he was kind of messing himself up and being jealous not abused verbally. His parents, it looks like, are loving and ok people if a bit unobservant. And literally the only time I saw someone say something mean was when the teens asked if his brother was with him. So yeah, I'm sorry, just I'm not buying the abusive household thing because I don't see any evidence :/. JiWook is just a jerk with a complex who had a good home (and parents not being magic mind readers and knowing Everything happening in their teens lives is normal af, not abusive or neglectful. If JiWook didn't want his parents to know he was miserable, he wouldn't let them know, and it seems like he does given how he sugars them up at the beginning of the comic. It's really easy to lie that nothing is wrong, and he clearly thinks he's good at it given how he smiled with those kids even while he thought beneath him).
Anyways, this isn't to say you can't like him for being fairly complex, but like... excusing behaviors for his past only goes so far. It's the things that you decide on your own with your own brain to do that makes YOU and your actions good or bad. Phew, got long...
I think if you were growing up like this, and have isseas like fox had you won't have talk like that. and he still didn't know he really died, since he's bussy with his own pain.
we never seen if he did help or not, I say it again, WE DID NOT SEE WHAT HAPPEN! and even if he did help, in what way did he do that?!
actually Tamin can be much better brother to him, cause he can stood up to him and get his self hate. since he also hate himself XD I actually happy Tamin is there for him.
he have mantel isses, and yeas he isn't an angel but he's not the devil - live with it! he suffer too not less then Tamin.
No, Teamin is much more beautiful! and it has nothing to do with the character building XDD
he lost something he can never get back. think about Anon, I"m sure you get it in the end ╮(￣▽￣)╭
parents and family can abuse their child and the child would believe them. cause they are his family. not in all cases, Tamin didn't cause his mother did love him!
if you can't find it, read the first FOX POV chapters again. fox mantion it that they never did praize him only his brother. and that at first he didn't get what so bad about it and why he felt that way he did. Fox isn't the smart one in the world XD
are loving and ok people if a bit unobservant."
right cause Parents who neglect a child for the sake of the other child are wonderful. whatever say, I can't really talk to you if you don't get how horrible this thing is. how destrctive this thing is!! and it all cause of them. fuck them!! (︶︿︶)＝凸
so they didn't say anything mean to him, only that his brother existence is much better then his. okay, that's not mean at all ~cynical~ yap. it a great way to live when people treat you this way. yap yap whatever you say. if you don't get it, don't get it.
Did I say Taemin is not beautiful. I said that if Jiwook were UGLY, repulsive, he wouldn't be getting all the sympathy, because he acted toward his brother with the same viciousness JooHoon acts, only using third parties and words to do his deeds. But it's the SAME thing--abuse. Jiwook abused SiWon.
He has not paid the price yet. But i hope he pays it hard.
Lololol
Losing what exactly? I dont get it. Siwon?
Same anon. Ups forget to add,you act like a fangirl/boy lmao
no, just from Personal experience in the real world.
<<if you can't find it, read the first FOX POV chapters again. fox mantion it that they never did praize him only his brother. and that at first he didn't get what so bad about it and why he felt that way he did. Fox isn't the smart one in the world XD >>
Jiwook is an unreliable character. Because he says he wasn't praised doesn't mean his parents didn't say nice things. He simply tends to interpret things his way. I'd need to see more through the POV of parents and SiWon, and we don't get that, notice. It may be they were thoughtless or it may be Jiwook sees through a very narrow view.
Notice he says SiWon TOOK his place. He expects to have first place. He expects to be the one praised for doing great things--only he never does great things. He just wants to be credited like SiWon.
When we're in Jiwook's POV, I take him as a type of unreliable narrator because he sees things as extreme. He's either the victim or he's superior and others are beneath him. His POV is tainted.
I think you don't get it cause you never seen what happen in the real world. so I just let you keep thinking what you want.
"Because he says he wasn't praised doesn't mean his parents didn't say nice things."
if they did, he won't felt such strong jealousy that become hate for his brother. if you don't believe him, even if it the truth it's your problam.
I don't need to see the parents POV to see how their "preference" affected the children.
I see you don't get how it is to have brother/sister that got the first place in the parents eyes. it kind of sad ╮(￣▽￣)╭ but I still hope you do understand that preferring one child over the other is wrong! no matter how they do it, it can ruin the family like we seen in this comic.
Jiwook's do have common sense, much more then the other brother. he do have mantel issues but it don't mean he luck common sense and understand who the parents love more. children is very sensitive to things like that, giving one brother more then the other is enough to build that jealousy. and if they never praize him in his life while his brother did got all the praize should build double jealousy and very low self esteem etc...
so let's conclude, jealousy between brother's don't born from the air. it born from the parents that created this. if you refuse to believe, it's your problam.
I've seen it in the real world. I've seen incest and rape and child abuse and alcoholism and drug use and dying from AIDS and siblilng rivalry that turns ugly. Sure.
I'm saying we haven't seen it in THIS story. We're all assuming things based on what's there. But we haven't SEEN it. not you. Not me.
You forget that children can also just be really bad. Evil isn't only in adults. CHildren can be really selfish, mean, petty, vindictive, and big liars. Seen that, too.
I'm saying that because we have not seen POVs and enough childhood context, we can't know for sure what is going on. The author can brnig out mental illness--but that's not necessary so far. He could just be a shitty person. He might have had some really bad traumas with parents--but we haven't seen that yet.
We don't get SiWon's POV (maybe he's not the angel we think he's been).
WE don't get mom and dad's POV.
We only get the POV of a kid who decided that his brother was the source of his life's problems. Unjustly.
So, the author can pull all sorts of things out of the hat, but deciding that the parents were abusive is not justified so far.
well children are just children, they much more honest then adults are. even if it can hurt other kids. they not scared to show what they feel, for good or for worse.
and like I say before, jealousy didn't born from the thin air. Fox POV is very importent in this story, even if you want to ignore it. if they[parents] ignore/ can't see how worse one if their children get until he hung out with punks and smoke, then I would say they not a good parents.
and I never heard of a "good" parents that only praize one of their children and ignore the other. if you want to think fox is laying, think what you want. but I don't think he's laying about everything, we see he is suffer from mantel issues from very young age, and it got worse only cause no one in his life pay attantion or took him to someone to talk too [professional help] in a way it is negligence. he still their child, if they can't even notice one of their children, then I don't want to know what else they didn't take care off.
but I think Fox love them, so he still want their love ^_^ has sad and ironic it is.
Jealousy is born within a person. Jealousy has to be dealt with within the person. Having the feelings is normal, but how you react to them is what says what kind of person you are.
Every human being on this planet has at times--many many times--had envy and jealousy. We all have to deal with it, because there will always be people who get more attention in our families, among our friends, among coworkers.
I think Jiwook had their love. He just decided that something was taken from him that was rightly his. And thatś not true. None of us are owed first place. We gotta earn that. All of us are owed love by our parents, but in this case, I see no sign they didn love both boys. Itś just that one son had more achievements and that was the separator--the thing that made Jiwook realize he was NOT his twin, they were not one unit, they were two people. That was the big shock. Go back and read the chapter. THE REAL shock was realizing they were individuals...and then that his brother was actually better at certain things They were no longer ¨one.¨
You are making all sorts of assumptions about the parents based on one dinner party.
And yet we have many scenes of how evil Jiwook is, and you want to excuse him.
Thatś a strange bias.
let just agree to disagree cause It don't make sense to me that Jealousy born from nothing at all like you said. Jealousy in all humans born from "something". and even if one child get more attention and get more love, he still can be evil and jealous of the other.
I just say what I see from Fox POV, and I like to analyze him cause he too much fun to analyze XDD I think he don't know how to deal with it or his mantel issus. and I think it all start from his jealousy and his parents prefference.
I don't agree the shock come from him finding out they different people, the shock come from the feelings of jealousy that build out in him cause of their parents prefference. and it hurt in a way XD cause I think he love his brother at first, when he was young. he did love him.
No, he noticed that people were talking nice/praising his brother for his accomplishments...and at that moment he realized they were separate, not the same. Before, any praise he interpreted as for both. At that moment, a sense of separation--that his brother was not the same as him--made him feel as if his place was ẗaken away...because his place had been before to be ẗhe same as his brother, now his brother, he decided, was śeen as ¨better"and he as ¨lesser.¨ His resentment came from that. But the point is, we all have to reach that realization as humans. Weŕe not all the same and we aren all popular or beautiful or rich or whatever For a twin...for a twin who saw himself as one with his brother...it was a shock.
And if you don think that jealousy, selfishness, etc, are inborn...well, sorry, we will have to disagree. I beileve this is why we have social and moral training: to control the inherent selfish and dark impulses of human beings and to bring out and develop their inherent understanding of what is good. You have to teach kids to share. You don have to teach them to be selfish. You have to teach kids to be honest. You don´t have to teach them to lie.
you mixing many different things that not really fit to how fox react. he got sick, he wanted to poke and he run away. to me it show us that he don't know how to deal with it and what to do, and it was too intense to be just some "he took my place" all of sudden out of nowhere[what don't make sense]. and he did say he "try" to ignore the fact he wasn't getting any praize while his brother does get praize, which mean it did bother him from the very begning XD he just ignore it until that dinner. BUT IT WAS THERE!! in the background.
kids get Jealous for many stupid things, and they "fight" about those things. Fox? fox most of it just run away or try to be a "good brother". well until he could not hold his anger and jealouy he denied. if he really was that "horrible"he would have been honest and hate him from the very begning [age4-5] what didn't really happen since he didn't seem to be hostile towerd him in the dinner! he would have fight his brother from the first place and say that he is batter then him. that actually would have been better for him then deny those feelings.
I didn't say they not inborn, I SAID there is always a reason! even kids fight over "something" - a reason [toy, food etc..] human acts from reasons. even if they stupid or selfish one's. and fox also had reasons to develop jealousy - like I said before jealousy didn't come from thin air. it come from a reason that it is something! and I claim it their parents that start all this! agree with me or not, that what I think! that what I believe that happen base on what I seen so far.
We haven't seen much of the parents so far (a couple scenes, mostly dealing with SiWon in hospital and then the school one where Jiwook played the good brother.) So, judging the parents as shitty based on that is hardly comparable to the dark sides we 've seen of Jiwook. And again, I don't see abuse. Period.
Abuse is a strong word. I don't like it thrown around lightly.
maybe, but I doubt the way fox actand become like this [search punks] come from "no where", "with no reason" at all other then just himself. in the end of the day the parents and family have control on their children. even if you deny it, they still the one's that responsible on them!
in other words, I claim that he need a reason. other then you calling him a "devil" or just a "bad" guy. so yeas, it make sense the parents start all of it, even if they didn't notice.
Yes, the reason was resentment that he let become toxic because his brother was smarter than he was combined with the shock of realizing they were not One, not the same, that praise for one wasn't praise for the other, but separated.
And it does not make sense the parents started it, because why would they suddenly be doing something NOW, if not for 10 years previously? No, it was Jiwook whose shock at seeing himself as not One with SiWon, and realizing SiWon was appreciated more. That was the kicker, not the praise. Because trust me, the praise didn't just start that day and the parents didn't just suddenly change from one year or one week to the other. It's internal, mostly Jiwook's perception and choices, that was kicked off by realizing he was not the same as his twin.
And until we see flashback scenes that show his parents being neglectful, we cannot take that for granted. If it had been that all their lives, SiWon would have noticed. But he didn't know why his brother was like that. He was in agony wondering why.
I am sorry for your experience,but to say the parents is the ONLY one to blame is wrong. Yes they may be at fault,but only part of it. He has choices and he choose to be a jerk. I myself an Asian and i come from a low income family. I grew up with 1 brother and 2 sisters. My parents especially my dad really prefer my brother bc he is the only son. They dont say it directly,dont praise him more bc believe me ,majority of Asian family do not say things like i love you,we dont kiss between family member,its our culture. But it shows on how different they treat me and my brother. My dad almost never hv a proper conversation with me,he just works and works and ignore me. My mom is a selfish woman who never thought abt her children. My younger sister,who is 6 years younger than me is pretty and already has a husband while I never hv boyfriend yet. I often hear ppl talk how different my appearance than my sister is. She is pretty and has white skin and thin while i am fat and short and my skin is dark. Its bitter,and i often cry But I choose to focus on my study and now i hv been teaching math at school for 3 years. I dont hate my sisters and brother bc i know they r not at fault. I dont call them slut and I dont wish for them to die. So yes, Jiwook is at fault here.
like I said, I don't agree with you. the parents do have part in this. if you don't agree, then don't agree. that's what I believe that happen.
first sorry to hear about your experience. that's why I said parents should not preffer/ praize one brother over the other. it's bad for them! and cause it does happen often. that's why we need to raise the awareness about this then deny it and blame only the brother.
in the end of the day the parents are the one that start everything, even if they didn't do it deliberately or wanted it to happen like this. I did say Fox have a mantel issues. I don't think you get what it's mean to have mantel issues, it's not like you choose to be born with mantel issues or choose to feel like everyone hate you. Especially at a terribly young age, that he didn't know how to handle those issues and it become worse. and the parents not only didn't bother about it [he run away from the party, that should have light a red light to them], I bet they didn't even try to look into it too much. I say it again, Fox does have some kind of mantel issues other then what he feel to his brother.
and they still preffer one child over the other. even if they didn't mean it to look that way, that how Fox felt for so many years! they should have talk to him about this and clarify that both of them are importent etc before it become worse like it already did... what I doubt they did. again, it is some kind of negligence, even if they didn't know Fox still their responsibility. and it's their responsibility to stop him from doing things like this, smoking and hung out with bad poeple. cause he need them the most!
and like I said, I didn't say he is an angel but he still suffer too! even if he hate and jealous to his brother. he acutally very interesting, in tearms of his psychology and in a way I think he do care for his brother. no matter how many times he scream he hate him and that he should die XDD but that just me. I like him cause he's not the strongest character ever, he do suffer even if people deny it and he is lost. even in the present time. but I hope Teamin will get him to stand up a little and stop talking to himself in the mirror XD
actually Teamin already doing a good job with him, telling him to find his own life and his own hobbies. I hope in the end, they be like brothers :D that would be so ironic and sad. but I"m too optimistic.
now I want to see what all the haters of Kang Jinha say and how he "rape" him LOL ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ but really, I kind of figure that what happen more or less.
ALPACA DILDO is the best dildo! can't wait to see that ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
what make this mange great is the group chat. that's all I have to say XDDD
Lmao true i love the end chats XDXDXD
me too!! it was awesome!!!
it feel like every chapter have no link to the last chapter. it kind of annoying =-=
can we talk about how Oda add Mother Teresa has Mother Caramel in this arc? like what?!! Σ( ￣□￣||) has soon has I seen how Mother Caramel talking, I know it was some kind of "Mother Teresa" character. Oda sure know how to use Historical figures. but why make evil too? XD oh well. I"m still shocked he bring out "Mother Teresa" into OP.
did anyone notice? anyone? I guess it was just me.
and I kind of figure this plan will fail. but now I"m worried for Sanji and his "family". what will happen to them now (〜￣△￣)〜