Just wanted to say that normally hardcore sm like this, isn’t really my cup of tea. But since this relationship of them is healthy and their on equal footing regarding their daily life relationship, I’m really enjoying them as a couple!
That being said, I hope they solve this problem together and quick before another bad thing happens to our Chanwoo
Check out the other story there are more chapters from this story!
I completely agree to everyone not liking this I’m not okay with how this began either at all but at least the omega is agreeing to this in like the next chapter?
So for the character himself at least it’s not considered rape. What I mean is, that he’s not seeing it as rape since he agrees later on!
BUT DISCLAIMER: something like this is highly dubcon even in the manga and the most important thing is that no one in real life should do something like this ! I mean it shouldn’t be necessary to say this as this story is not relatable at all since it’s mafia and omega verse themed but still.
But I 100% agree that that could’ve been a lot better as a manga without this!Especially if you see the following chapters and the ending. But that’s also the reason why I don’t like omega verse because it’s all about instinct and pheromones and in some they can control , in some they can’t and then there are stories in which the omega (Uke) also uses it and Kinda rapes to alpha, but it still isn’t seen as rape because the alpha doesn’t resist that much (which I hate since people don’t react as if it’s rape). Like it’s so frustrating because some stories are omega being raped in the streets and then some in which the omega basically seduces the seme (who tries but can’t resist - since in those kind of Omega stories the instinct is stronger) and then it’s not considered rape. Ugh I know it’s not very much related to this one but still it annoys me
Lol I’m kinda waiting for him switch personalities but most of the times ootsuki misuki doesn’t do characters like that! That being said, happy there’s something new as she was the first yaoi mangaka I’ve read when I started like 7 years ago
I know right?? Feels like it was ages ago since any new works of sensei got scanlated
I do understand where people come from, because indeed the consent in this chapter was dub. But I wouldn’t say it’s rape since even though the uke was drunk, it’s not as if he couldn’t think straight anymore and since he actually and actively said, after yohan wanted to stop, that he doesn’t want to stop I don’t see the problem. But generally I fully agree that being taking advantage because someone is drunk (and esp if they aren’t together as a couple) is not okay at all.
We need to go to bomtoon and read this chapter there. Because if it’s need to be popular to be turned into a real series we need to help. I want this not to be a oneshot!
I really adore this manga and the mangaka. The art style: TOP! the characters: so adorable yet kinky! their relationship: kinda goals - because even though they have bdsm sex, they still are equal in their daily life! the seme cares for the uke and vice versa, so I’m not even a bit mad that their story was a bit rushed, because they are still a lot more wholesome than most of the manga couples out there. Love the seme’s sadistic streak
Okay i do like personality switches but the seme here is borderline crazy. He’s obsessive, he indeed is trash, he’s rude to the best friend of his crush like that’s a big fat no and he’s a bit yandere/psycho.
I don’t mind him being a bit of a rude ass but just if it’s not paired with some possessive, crazy behavior. But unfortunately, those things are paired here.
Also why is the uke not even one bit concerned about his past. Like cool if you don’t want to know where the tattoo is from, BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW! tbh if the uke knew his past, he’s probably dumb this guy faster than he fell in love with him
Do I think that they are normal? Not at all, they kinda need some help if basically every fantasy of them is connected to rape.
But do I like them as a couple? Yes definitely, because at least they really do like each other and also kinda complete each other
This might come as a surprise to you but not everyone is in this little box people consider to be 'normal'. The truth about the world is its dark and weird. Meaning yes even having a rape kink is something a good majority of people experience there's nothing wrong with that just like there's nothing wrong for not liking it but there is something wrong with pretending its not a normal thing to have
I didn’t say that it isn’t normal as in uncommon for people to have them. Because I agree, a lot of people have these types of fantasies. And I also didn’t say every person having them is automatically considered as some kind of weird/crazy person. But I do stand by the statement that having them often shouldn’t be considered as a normal thing. I don’t mean that having them is automatically meaning that you like rape etc. There are a lot of twisted things and thoughts people have but normalizing isn’t always the right thing to do! And shaming those people isn’t right either. That wasn’t my intention. I just think that people constantly basing their sexual fantasies on a very terrible crime, have to ask themselves at some point why they desire situations like that (but yeah that would be in the most extreme situation - so not people reading a manga like this).
I just think this is the right place to be bringing this up i mean this is Harada we are talking about everything she writes about is based on something like this and people genuinely enjoy it (mostly women enjoy it0
*this is not
Its just my way of thinking but my opinion is that anyone can do whatever they want as long it isn't harming anyone else in any way. In this case, they can do anything or any play they'd like and get pleasure from it as long as they mutually agree to it and aren't causing anyone inconvenience.
of course they are normal. everyone has sexual fantasies, not matter what about. they are doing no crime, nothing that will harm others. they are comfortable enough with each other to secret even their darkest fantasies. they are normal and healthier than a lot couples out there.
Thank you mama for being the only person that is sane in this manga and helping the uke with this long overdue task.
That being said, I’ll get really angry if they don’t pull it off convincingly or just halfway. I’m not the biggest fan of revenge and in my opinion the uke should get away as soon as possible but since we’re not getting that, I at least want this seme to lose his arrogant smile and get him to be afraid and cry.
I mean after this they probably still make up and he’ll still be not equal to the seme so for me he’s still a big fat no but hey maybe I’m not right (and I really hope that)
He's not helping with that "he really loves you" shit. He's only digging a hole for him...
Yeah when he said that, I was like: yeah sure the seme really shows how much he loves him by doing the things he does (i mean it ironically), hate that mama said it, but still he’s better than the president who right out ignored him
For anyone complaining because of the age gap:
First of all, their age gap wasn’t that big. Riku is a high school senior so he’s around 17/18. Secondly, the story didn’t contain any unconsentful plot whatsoever, so everything they did was legal (I’m basing it on German law,because I live in Germany).
3. As long it’s legal you don’t need to complain about age gaps because some people date people in their age, some date people a bit older (which is the case with riku) and some date people that are a lot older.
Me personally, I wouldn’t date someone that is older or younger than me, but that doesn’t mean I automatically judge couples with age gap and especially not if the age gap is that small ( for me personally this age gap is considered huge but in relation to bigger age gaps it’s not, also I’m counting 2 years age difference as no age gap since you technically could go to the same grade).
If you desperately want to complain about age gaps, go to another manga where it is bigger. And if you want to complain about illegal adult - minor relationship, then go to for example a teacher/student manga (because this is illegal because of the power divide and the whole guardian like character etc) :)
But Disclaimer: I’m not judging people not liking age gap either. Since like i said, I’m not liking them either. Also! This whole topic isn’t a problem in THIS SPECIFIC MANGA AND SITUATION. Their situations aren’t typical. Riku isn’t a typical 17 year old. He’s basically being a father for a child, living alone, raising him and taking care of a household. Plus there are other factors too. So of course you can’t simply take their relationship as an example of how a minor/adult or age gap relationship is typically like.
Every situation is individual and especially in relationships with ages like these (17 y/o aka minor and adult over 21) one little factor could change the whole perspective of how to view the relationship and also it’s legal validation. If for example he buys him for money then obviously this relationship is illegal. Etc. Etc.
What I’m trying to say: this manga isn’t problematic but that doesn’t mean a minor/adult couple couldn’t be problematic in real life. Don’t copy things from fiction.
I totally get what you're coming from. But I think this manga likes to balance play, right between the lines.
They don't provide any solid evidence of how big the gap is. They don't discuss matters of power dynamic that comes with age gaps. In fact, they avoid anything that would make the story an out right no go. But at the same time, plays with the same trope while enabling a vague age gap.
Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whomever doesn't like it should just stop reading it.
But I think it's good to consider how this manga is formatted for you to think it's ok. Because the age gap is avoided in a way you can't confront it, but also used in a way that is problematic. There doesn't need to be any non-consenting actions for an age gap to be wrong.
Idk if you see it the same way. But I believe age gaps are problematic when they avoid the issue of power that comes into play. An older person, with a job, and living on their own, has much more power than a highschooler. And this power play can be used to coerce younger people into relationships. [although fiction is fiction. but at the same time, if we don't face the reality fiction can bring then we run the risk of enabling this reality]
Anywayyyyyyy, long post. lol, thanks for reading this far if you did :))
I do agree that if there is a power divide and one has power over the other or if one is dependent of the other it’s not good! Definitely, that’s also why such cases could be criminal. Because you coerce the minor into something or have this power to do so.
But in this manga i honestly don’t see anything indicating that. Those two don’t live together, so he’s not depending on takashis finance etc. Riku is living alone with his brother, so I’d say he is self dependent and definitely stands on equal footing with takashi, even though he might be a high schooler. It’s not as if their status is influencing either of their lifes if you know what I mean.
As far as I know German law means that someone over 15 with a capacity for sexual self-determination can be together with someone that is over 18. I think in rikus case, this is given. He’s self dependent, he’s mature and even though he’s a romantic, it’s not as if he is dumb or dense and manipulated. So and that is the important things it’s legally okay IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION IN THE MANGA no matter the age difference. The exact age isn’t given, but I recall riku said he’s a third year in senior high and I googled it and it says people in this grade are between 17-18. So those blurry lines have been clarified I guess.
So what I’m trying to say is, that I say that here in this manga, there honestly isn’t any problem. At least I seem to fail at finding one. But and that’s important, I 100% agree to you saying that this manga probably isn’t very realistic in a lot of factors because honestly I don’t think a lot of people in this age, could be considered to be like riku. So this manga can’t be taken as an example on how adult/minor relationships technically are :)
Thanks for your comment !
I totally agree! It's very up to interpretation. Thanks for having a convo with me ~
I'd LOVE to see you try and tell your friends and family you're dating someone still attending high school while you're 25+. I'd want to see the awkwardness first hand, it'd be hilarious.
I get what you mean. But I think those that can come to terms with dating a high schooler as an adult, is surely surrounded by those who do not see much difference in that view. Now ideally we assume people have better moral standards, but some people go through life thinking these things are ok. It's not about the awkwardness, it's about their personal ethics.
Agreed.
Honestly I agree. And that amongst other factors (for example that people with high age gaps are in other life phases, have other mind sets and interests most times and therefore have a bigger obstacle for good relationship) is the reason why I personally wouldn’t date someone that is older or younger than me. But that doesn’t mean I’m the person who contributes to making this situation awkward if i knew some couple like that.
Also I think I have to say it again since you kinda come off as if you didn’t understand that I don’t support age gaps in general but just don’t Mind them if certain factors are given. And in this manga those factors were given so I didn’t mind it :) but yeah I would totally agree that if a 25+ person would date an „average 17/18 person“ I would find it awkward too and would check whether there are any signs of potential dangers.