Imitation as a fair game: about real boring stuff

"U gotta make some sense" Says the one who's going to shut off cos she know she got owned.

That person doesn't need a doctor, u need it more to treat ur 3rd degree BURRNNSSSS

"You can pitch your fits without a hint of decorum, but that just makes you the pissiest bitch in the forum" Someone got u good. Trust me.

No, those words belong to a group of women in rl, that were attacked by a rapist in the mask (that was a famous topic in the news). I was little back then and rape was something horrible on the level of murder for me, so I was totally confused and that's probably the reason that story got stuck in my head. Why would those women repot to the police I still don't understand. I just learned eventually that people are different, that I can't always judge by myself.

P.S. I will talk about Azusa later on in my topic.

Well, I don't know why individuals say what they say or what defense mechanisms may be at play, but when it comes to matters of biology and psychology, I have to go with the experts. In real life, any sex without consent is rape, and even if survivors had a biological reaction it doesn't mean they consented or that they should feel guilty, dirty, or in any way responsible.

But fiction is different.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/college/news/a30507/sexual-assault-misconceptions/
Pay attention to point 14

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?forum_id=2&thread_id=1518263

There could be more people who sexually react to rape even if they do not enjoy it



http://www.survivormanual.com/2011/02/what-if-my-body-had-a-sexual-response-during-rape/

The women who said it was the "best sex of their lives," it's natural to have such feelings. It is An ordinary reaction and psychologists say so as it is a biological and evolutionary condition that is in place for these women. saying that it's not ordinary is like how some of the ppl in the comment saying rape fantasies are not ordinary.

http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/581/anatomy-of-doubt?act=0#act-0

And this podcast about rape says that even if there's a trend of victim's actions, not everyone's case is the same in how they react and how they see their rapist.

Have fun learning

Rape without consent is still rape, even if you have a massive orgasm.

The reality of rape

Experts tend to change their opinions quite often. Not that long ago being gay was considered an illness. But that's just remark about experts. As for the rape, I've said enough. Last I remember - this is not some rape forum. When it comes to Azusa, he doesn't belong to that 4% devostated by rape, but opposite body reaction group, but as I said, I'll talk about it later in #Karino/Azusa.

Homosexuality as an illness disappeared from the DSM (the statistical manual of mental disorders) since the III number (1980).
Azusa wasn't devastated by all the rapes because he's a fictional character. A consistent part of rape victims fall ill with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder).

It is still rape dude. Rape fantasy but still rape. There are clear signs that it is in the body movement and language of karino and azusa. I cant believe that from saying that fans can differentiate real rape and fantasy, someone is downright mixing things up and claiming that its not rape just cos it feels good. This is not the case where we dont know what happened to the victim and are therefore dubiou of their 'lies'. We see the forced imagery, the nos and the donts, etc etc all penly and obviously. Little to No willing and mutual agreement, no safe words etc etc. Theres also the case of stockholm syndrome to think about and other things about rape that starts to mess with ye head. 4% is still debated. Another study shows that it is 86-7% of women who have felt something or lubricated themselves while being raped. And the main point is that it is perfectly normal and ordinary to do feel that way. We can accept rape fantasy but youve crossed the line too far by saying its not rape just because on the outside he looks fine and not devastated like what a victim should stereotypically act like. You dont need to be devastated and all hysterical to account for as a victim but scientific evidence and criminal experts. Are you trying to get the "rape is wrong" people to come back? Theyve died down cos of the evidence of rape fantasy that benefits women. So lay low bro because i feel that you dont understand what rape is.

And let's please make a distinction between an orgasm and enjoyment. You can orgasm and not enjoy it at all.

The orgasm, in some cases, can be an automatic nervous system response due to fear and/or stress. Logically I'm talking about real cases in real life. Most part of yaoi stories represent a decontextualized reality.Please, it's only fiction.

I dun get what do u mean by *another forum*
His points about sg is pretty genuine and https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ilOa3E4U5FY
says that his experiences in japan is genuine too. I dun think u can blame him for postinf here. He was responding to your comment that went along the lines of people who are speakinf on behalf of someone else are dubious and the gays dont mind it at all. (Sorry if i misread that). So where else was he supposed to post his response but this thread, personally to your comment. I dunno... i think it would be nicer if you had asked him for his purpose if you werent sure instead of scrutinising the 2 paragraph comment and bashing hjm according to your own assumptions. That was pretty mean of you

YOU do know she meansヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Now im even more confused

You've just confirmed what I said ;)

I gave your ideas a better shape. ;)

I mean that the person reposting this comment is not the original author of the comment and the person who wrote the comment did not ask for it to be posted here, in a Caste Heaven discussion. The person reposting the comment is speaking for other people, and not for her his own self and choosing to bring comments made by other people in other forums here.

I never said "gays" don't mind it at all. I said that different gay people have different opinions (just like different women have different opinions) and that the people posting here in the Caste Heaven comments seem to be talking on behalf of other people instead of speaking for themselves. What I mean is, I see no one here, in this Caste Heaven fan space, saying "I'm a gay man and the rapes in Caste Heaven really bother me."

Why do you think the person reposting someone else's comment from a totally different discussion is even a male?

In what way? Well, since I don't see that..

I wanted to say only: a scientific shape. Excuse me but my English sometimes is poor. :)

Let me explain a bit more. I feel as if people who do not usually read Caste Heaven started coming here to talk about rape in yaoi (as opposed to going to a general discussion page or political forum). I started to hear people say "we" [the fans being lectured to] should think about "them" [the group being spoken for by people who may not even be members of that group]. I happen to know some people who regularly post here (and on other Mangago yaoi comments sections) are part of the LGBT+ community (hell, even I am bisexual), so it seems weird to me that strangers seem to be telling fans why fans need to be more sensitive to this "other" group. Granted, I know more lesbians and bisexual women who like yoai than gay men, but there are some gay men who read it.

Now, if a gay man reading yoai wanted to sincerely tell me his concerns about Caste Heaven, that would be one thing. At least he'd be speaking for himself and his reaction to this specific manga. But when people who may not even read Caste Heaven come to a comments section about Caste Heaven to speak on behalf of people who are quite capable of speaking for themselves when they want to do so, it strikes me as kind of patronizing. Maybe that's why I seemed "mean" in my response.