Good. At least he apologized and felt bad for it and even thought of giving up on the guy....

He....literally raped him....

exactly.its so wrong wtf

Its just like....I know its fiction but, its such bad fiction. Like this is bad story telling. Why would somebody think that writing this would be a good idea? Japan still has a long way to go. There are just so many bad stereotypes in yaoi and some of these writers really cant look past it. If you feature rape in your story, don't do it like this. This just glosses over it. Makes it seem like no big deal. This is not how a real victim would react and whether or not you forgive the person IT IS A CRIME. Rape is a crime and when you commit it you need to be held accountable. Sorry if your head was in the wrong place, sorry if it was a lapse in judgement, sorry if you'll never do it again. You made a choice and there are consequences. Gotta deal with them. Nobody is ever as sorry for what they have done as they are for getting caught.

True.
On some stories the guy doesn't even apologize or feels regret, on this one at least he has SOME reaction.
It's still rape, sure. But on yaoi world it's considered "sexy" or "hot", I gave up expecting stories that are realistic or even reasonable, so when a character shows some reaction (like this one, feeling bad and stuff) I feel like: "someone is starting to understand things o/"
Because if you think about consensual sex, most of the yaois don't have it, even if they develop into a nice relationship later, they start with a forceful act. Hidoku Shinaide would never happen on real life. All the blackmailing based stories wouldn't. Simply because the guy wouldn't magically fall in love with their abusers.
Anyway, my opinion, but you can't happily read yaoi if you always compare it to the real life. Sure, some stories push this limit and end up too disturbing to read. But in general if you analize the stories, you'll realize that asia in general has a lot weird concepts about sex and stereotypes that are horrible and lots, LOTS of cases when they don't punish forceful sexual acts.

I've actually found plenty of good consensual yaoi. I mean there is a lot of shit you have to wade through but there are good writers out there as well as good yaoi. For me its more like, I like to find the authors that have it figured out for themselves. Every country has its problems and negative stereotypes. I think its kind of stupid to chalk it up to being the country because you should always push for progress. My only worry is that so many young people use this site and honestly, when I read yaoi when I was younger I really didnt know much about the adult world so it felt realistic to me and it was hard to tell what was abuse. Thats why I think its good to write this kind of stuff in the comments so that people and kids can see.

Ok, hum, sorry, but I really didn't understand what you meant with this: " I think its kind of stupid to chalk it up to being the country because you should always push for progress"
Because english is not really my first language.
And yes, every country has its own problem.
Specifically about Japan, I know that they really have got a cultural issue going on. I know a some women who traveled there and experienced bad stuff related to the sexual kind of view, since having your panties stolen, to rape attempt in the while going back to your house.
So yeah, call me stupid, but I do think this stereotype specifically has SOME thruth on it.
If you've found that much of good consensual yaoi, please share it, I'd really love it to read them.

Oh no, I was agreeing with you that they have truth to them. I was just saying that rather than being complacent about it and saying "well thats just that country's values" is lame and instead we should question the norm, but I didn't think thats what you specifically were saying. I was just speaking in general. And actually recently I found an omegaverse yaoi that doesnt feature rape! I mean, what a find! And right after somebody told me that I'd probably never find one like that either lol. (If you like omegaverse I'll link you the manga. Though, it's not done being translated. I went through the raws though.)

I understand rape in stories where it is well written, like in Harada's work, but I just meant that this manga to me reads as though the author really is being complacent about assault and the seriousness of doing that to somebody. Harada's work is all about it and hinges on the fact that its fucked up or at least incorporates that as part of it so its clear that she knows what message she is sending. But this author writes in a way that if somebody underaged stumbled upon it (this site is filled with underaged kids), might think, "oh well if you apologize it isn't a big deal. See, this guy isn't even mad." That's all I'm saying.

Oooh ok
I get what you saying
Yeah, I agree with you on questioning the norm, and sure, please, share this yaoi about omegaverse! I absolutely love this theme *--*
I don't know if you're also into this kind of thing, but there's a fanfic featuring sherlock and john that's absolutely amazing, it approaches omegaverse in a different way the mangas do, if you're interested I'm willing to "trade" links haha
Harada is very good on what she does, and I also agree that some authors may send distorted messages, but also, don't loose your faith on youngsters. This day teenagers have many tools on their hands, sure, they could be naive and think they know everything about the world (I've been there too), but they also have a wide network where they have access to different information about all kinds of stuff. Not saying most of them would dig google to research about rape rates around the world, but I guess they're not THAT naive anymore.
I don't know, I guess I just wanna believe in the future generation haha ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Just saying but between most countries and Japan, Japan isn't the country struggling with high rates of violence and crime, particularly rape. You have to keep in mind that ALL OF THE YAOI CONTENT YOU READ are NOT for any audience other than their Japanese counterpart who know very well the difference between fiction and real life. They can disassociate themselves from the work. They /KNOW/ it's unrealistic. I honestly find this statement, "Japan still has a long way to go" pretty hilarious coming from someone who has lived in Japan and in the United States. Every country could use improvement yes, but the typical stereotype of yaoi won't disappear. It's a genre that's meant to entertain, you literally don't see the youths there ever mistaking what they see in "manga" and "anime" as something that could be used to justify their actions in real life. It's a common understanding that RAPE and the likes are a crime. This sort of tropes simply appear in most of BL because it's /popular/ believe it or not. Ogeretsu Tanaka, Ogawa Chise, Psychedelico, Takarai Rihito and Harada are one of the most POPULAR mangakas in terms of BL in Japan and notice how they all tend to frequent more darker tones of manga. Some glossed over the "rape," some didn't.

Underage minors who willingly seek out explicit porn should prepare themselves for the reality of this genre. It's the same if an underage kid decided to watch porn or an horror movie on their own despite the clear indication that it's not for their age - Stop babying the people here. They decided to be here on their terms and choices. It's one thing if they're hoping to have it occur in real life and another to enjoy a SIMPLY mindless twoshot yaoi.

P.S: Piracy is also a crime too, since we're all committing it, I suppose it's only fair that we are held accountable too?

P.S.S - This manga wasn't intended to have any fancy plot. It's legit just porn. You ask why would somebody think this is a good idea but considering Michinoku Atami's growing popularity in Japan, she's clearly doing something right.

About your P.S.S, just because something is popular, it doesn't mean it's good. Besides, what's "good" anyways?
In the end is just a matter of "is this your cup of tea, or not?"
I guess you, me and the and the other person commenting here are perfectly aware that this is a fiction, it's not acceptable in real life and all this kinda stuff, but in the end what makes me criticize and other people love this manga is about taste.
I'm ok with people liking this story, I'm not that ok with the story itself, but meh, as you said I'm aware that this is JUST a story.
You said all of the yaoi content should be read only by japanese audience. Well, this is internet, sure, piracy is wrong, but well, it's happening, people from all over the world are reading it, and guess what? I'm not from Japan and I'm perfectly aware that rape is a crime, I know it's an unrealistic world and I can tell the difference between fictional and real life.
So, it's absurd to think this is only supposed to be read by japanese people!
It's like you're saying the rest of the world is not able to read bl because we're morons .-.

It is what it is. Popular is what sells so clearly an mangaka will feel more inclined to frequent those tropes that is what I meant.

Again, why bother criticizing a manga that features the same tropes as a majority of this genre hold? It's silly to me to find a person able to enjoy a work such as Harada without critique and yet get lectured for enjoying this piece of work that CLEARLY states what kind of manga this is from the beginning. A person can like what they want, that's fine, but don't go preaching to others about morals here is my point.

Honey, that's the truth. Do you honestly think those mangakas ever wrote ANYTHING intended for anyone other than their Japanese consumers? Just because you're allowed to see it, doesn't mean they drew it for you to read. If that was the case, they would seek out an English publishing group and release it English. Again, this could change but you can't honestly tell me that they would care to cater to any audience other than Japanese.

This is why manga scanlations is a privilege. Japanese to English speakers going out of their way to translate for you is a nice thing.

Again that isn't what I'm saying, I'm just saying that the Japanese audience tend to be more laid back about this sort of thing whereas from what I'm seeing, this isn't the case for the English audience who appear prone to criticize everything.

Not to mention, even if a mangaka clearly depicts the dark undertones of rape and the likes, there is still some element of romanticizing and fetishing, so in all, Yaoi is a genre that's should honestly never be taken seriously. I just find it very hilarious that hundreds of commenters are bashing this when they should obviously be aware of what kind of content they're exposing themselves when reading /explicit/ yaoi porn. Not shounen ai, explicit yaoi porn.

Lol, u okay? I wasn't saying Japan was the only place in the world who has stuff to work on as far as social issues. I get it, ya dipshit. I like Harada's stuff too. What I was saying is there is a difference between the two though. I said this is poorly written, because it is. Idgaf that its porn, its badly written porn. I'm allowed to have that opinion. Harada and Ogawa Chise's work dont leave any blurred lines, they send clear messages. I get it, I like rape manga and porn and read it often enough to know one that I think is good versus one I think is bad.

Also, yeah, okay, minors being responsible for what they read...okay? All I'm fucking saying is that when I was really young and first got into yaoi I DIDNT FUCKING KNOW, okay? Kids have a hard time between distinguishing the realistic parts or fiction and the unrealistic ones. Especially ones with no experience with a sexual partner. So how kids learn is emulating what they see in real life and in media like tv and books, or you know, manga. When I was young I didn't necessarily know it was porn. Some yaoi is more porn than others while some is more smutty and less...straight up just porn and sex. Some yaoi are stories where two gay dudes have sex and it isnt porn its just a story with sex.

Also, okay? Why are you bothering to tell me about piracy? I know that, I dont even know where that came up in this discussion? I know its a crime and that I'm committing it?? Thanks???

Oh no! People are criticizing the media they consume! How ridiculous! Almost like...they're considering these drawings...art that....is something...you critique....

No, it seems to me you’ve clearly missed the points I was saying and now choosing to retort in a very rude manner. Granted, I was aggressive, but I wouldn’t be so rude to call others “dipshit” as you seem prone to do. You’re allowed to have an opinion, but it doesn’t mean you’re always free to address it. First, I was addressing the fact that this sort of content was meant only for the Japanese consumers. Most, if not all, of those consumers are aware of what they’re getting themselves into. I’m quite sorry, when exactly was /porn/ always suppose to depict a moving and emotional story? You’re clearly nitpicking and blinding yourself from the truth if you truly think Ogawa Chise and Harada don’t fetishize their work. Not to mention, they’d don’t always send clear messages - you clearly need to read all of their works (which I certainly have) if you think that’s the case.

Yes. It says so in the Disclaimer of ALL YAOI sites that you should be 18 years or older to be on this site. If you choose to expose yourself to this sort of genre, IT’S ALL ON YOU. STOP PUSHING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENLIGHTENING MINORS OF THE TRUTH TO OTHERS. That’s the point. You see? This is exactly why yaoi and the likes are catered to the Japanese consumers. You see, their youths won’t be so foolish as to try to emulate what they see in media and the likes, in fact, you know, they actually make fun of it. That was my WHOLE point as to why I said this sort of work wasn’t meant for the English audience. There’s clearly a lack of comprehension and inability to disassociate real life from fiction.

Hey, this is what you said: “This is not how a real victim would react and whether or not you forgive the person IT IS A CRIME. Rape is a crime and when you commit it you need to be held accountable.”

I’m aware you were addressing this to the character, but don’t forget that you’re all committing a crime as you speak. Since you appear determined to have a /FICTIONAL/ character be held accountable for their action, why don’t we spin it on you? You know, an ACTUAL PERSON committing a crime.

Also, don’t be so foolish. I tell you how it is. You are not a paying consumer. You are a pirate. Your CRITIQUE means absolutely NOTHING to the mangaka nor will she be inclined to seek it out. Since this is a piece of work you neither paid nor were intended to see, what makes you think your criticism amounts to anything? Not to mention, you’re repeating the same criticism that everyone else has said and the only person who will see those comments are fellow readers. Are you attempting to shame other readers for enjoying this piece? Seriously, get off your high horse.

I mean seriously? Are you the type to go porn sites and give criticisms on the toxic nature of it? Do you /seriously/ think all this "criticizing" and honest to god complaining is going to make a difference?

I'll tell you how it is: this sort of content won't stop. You can honestly complain and whine all you want, but it'll continue. You think you're doing a good but at this point of time, all I see is people dragging on a manga that CLEARLY tells you ahead of time what it is. You're not helping anyone but your own sense of rightousness.

Even if you're right and what Viira says is pointless, don't you think you're trying to do the same thing you criticized some comments ago?
I mean, you may think it's useless and disagree, but you can't deny that internet it's the ultimate place to go and state your opinions. Sure, depending on what you say, you'll be attacked.
I'm just saying this was a nice discussion, it's ok to disagree, but you telling Viira to stop saying whatever she/he wants it's just as pointless as Viira or me or anybody criticizing the norm.
At least for me,the point it isn't to CHANGE or to STOP this kind of content. I'm just speaking my mind and telling what I think, I'm not expecting you to come to me and say "wow, you're sooo smart, I totally agree with you!", if you dislike it, ok, if you disagree and wanna state your point of view, that's ok too.
Anyway, if guys keep this attitude you'll just get frustrated every time you enter a discussion and someone starts being rude to you. Aand the person may not even remember being rude to you, SO, the only ones loosing it's you, who got frustrated by yourself.
Just chill you cutiepies.
In the end we'll all here reading stuff for a reason.
Shouldn't here be the place where we could state our minds and talk about gay couples, dicks and whatever and just chill about it?
(I mean, at least I don't get to talk about this with anybody else besides the people from this community) ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Not quite, because you see, I’m speaking to them personally and my “criticism” can reach to them (the reviewers) whereas their criticism is reaching to who in particular? Who is their audience? The mangaka? Other readers? Mindless complaining over a trope that’s used in this genre is again, silly? When you complain over this sort of manga that you’re forewarn ahead of time, literally on the first page, it doesn’t make me the silly one here. That’s like going in, buying a dish you know you hate and then complaining over the dish that you yourself are already aware of what it is or going in knowing you’re watching a horror movie and complaining over the injustice of the murders and violence in the show, like how “dare they depict such work.”

Actually, it has stopped before and that’s the problem with the internet, that many people simply assume you’re going to be met with only positivity when addressing an opinion when no, that isn’t the case. I didn’t agree with the way they were criticizing the story mindlessly and decided to share my opinion since they’re free to address theirs, surely I can share mine as someone whose lived in Japan and the United States.

You tell us to chill and that we’re all reading the porn, but not a lot of people seem to be discussing anything positive here. It seems more like a moral ground of social justice workers at play and shaming others for enjoying this piece of work instead which was my point.

Almost like they're actually forgetting this is yaoi and manga /and/ porn. That apparently what's being depicted in the manga is clearly what Michinoku Atami approves and endorses in real life when in truth, it's just another story she made on a whim.

ALL I DID WAS SAY I DIDNT LIKE IT. Why do you care so much??? If my comment came off as whiney just ignore it? Keep scrolling. There are plenty of other comments to read, why are you wasting your time telling me that my comment annoyed you.