He’s receiving all these things under the conditions that he continues having sex with Jaekyung. It’s not free. He is paying with his body. Next question.
I’m not saying he is a literal slave. Their contract does not in and of itself constitute full on sexual slavery, even though there is strong argument to be made for coercion on Jaekyung’s part—especially if it’s the case that Dan wouldn’t have been able to work as Jaekyung’s PT anymore unless he was also doing sex work.
I am saying that when you say that Dan is not being raped, or that he doesn’t have the right to say no to what’s happening to him, and that Jaekyung has the right to do anything he wants to Dan even after Dan explicitly tells him not to, you are advocating for slavery-like conditions.
idk how many times i have to say i don’t give a fuck about this webtoon i care about how people are responding to what’s depicted in it and how it impacts REAL PEOPLE in REAL LIFE. god for fucking bid some of y’all ever encounter a sex worker or become one. god forbid you ever meet a jeffrey epstein or a diddy. jesus fucking christ.
mfw my company asks me to slit my wrists every day until im fainting from the blood loss but the company is always right and exempt from any responsibility moral or otherwise and i dare not go against the contract that i signed as that would be a resounding fail on my path which i’d need to pay for. by slitting my wrists more
And what is wrong that? You think that kind of money should just be given freely? Dan isn't even complaining as long as his bills are handled.
I agree there's coercion but that gets debunked when Dan is told to leave afterward if he couldn't handle it.
Advocating slavery-like conditions? Something that Dan agreed to? Asking for more cash afterward? Tf? Dan could say be gentle and I swear Jaekyung would listen. If you notice from the dialogues, you'll see most of Dan’s feelings are worded through his thoughts. Jk isn't a mind reader. He wants sex to handle his jinx, not rape. Various scenes have shown that Jaekyung really cared about the well-being of Dan and it has also shown in a few cases that he didn’t know how to handle them. One fact, Dan lied about being experienced, jk told him he wouldn't go easy on him. Jk was so clear on their agreement and Dan is just being unprofessional about it.
Look at you comparing different things to each other. I get where you're coming from but I'll just tell you this, don't put yourself in a situation you can't handle. When put in that situation, it isn't always easy to get out. The recipient should learn more bf making any rash decisions.
I want to study medicine, can I pass the major? Hmm, not really since I'm not all that good at basics and I prefer something calculative but I think I can do it. *proceeds to do it and fails* you bear the consequences of your actions. It's left for you to adapt or let yourself perish. Dan adapted and left the situation after facing the consequences.
I honestly don't know what I just said but maybe cope?
Yeah I do actually I think everyone should be given a livable wage and free shelter and food and healthcare amongst other things, so we wouldn’t see situations like this where someone like Jaekyung can abuse someone like Dan. I think it’d be a net good for society. :)
YOU’RE the one who said that Dan is being given a bunch of “free” things. So I clarified and said that it isn’t for free. Is it that it’s free or is it that nothing’s wrong with it not being free? Choose one.
Dan openly says “no, stop, wait, it hurts, slow down” amongst other things. Jaekyung ignores him. Jaekyung shoves his cock into Dan’s ass so hard the first time they have sex, he tears and he bleeds. This is after Dan tried crawling away. Or, what, suddenly we can’t read body language? That’s care to you? Seeing someone crawl away from you after begging you to stop, shoving into them so hard that they bleed, and making them cry from the pain? Not slowing down afterwards? That’s caring to you? Forcing that person’s face into the sheets and threatening to break their ankle? That’s care? I have my notes on this. You know what Jaekyung says immediately after asking if Dan is experienced or not? He says “I suppose it doesn’t matter.” You really want me to believe he actually cares about Dan’s wellbeing? Do you think Jaekyung’s behavior is normal? Please, don’t make me fucking laugh.
Right so Dan should’ve starved to death on the streets and let his grandma die, I gotcha. Jaekyung has no responsibility at all to not hurt Dan, I gotcha, I gotcha.
You said it’s slavery! I mentioned things a slave can't do which Dan is doing! So now it's slavery to work for money????
He's an asshole, I never denied that fact. After those actions of his, Jaekyung TELLS HIM TO LEAVE. If I'm correct he went through the lines of “If you can't handle this then just fk leave” and what does Dan say??? “No you just startled me, i can do this” gasps* OMGGG HE WAS STARTLED??? And you really expect Jaekyung to not believe him. And then what happens? Dan takes it all and Jk notices he's not breathing well and forcefully grabs him by the neck saying “Then breathe” and you say he doesn't care? He might've done it forcefully but that's a sign that he cares, he just doesn't know how to handle it.
What do you say to a person who continuously tells you yes and no at the same time? You proceed to reject but they still insist over and over again. Do you know how frustrating that is??? Coercion this and that, Coercion where??? It gets debunked through the next scenes. How can he be coerced and he comes back to ask for more cash?
Just bc a person is bad doesn't mean you should name them all various sorts of things bc it fits your perspective of them.
You're acting as if Jaekyung knew about dan’s financial situation beforehand. He didn't even know about his grandma nor did he know anything about his financial situation. Make it make sense.
I like how limited your definition and view of slavery is. Let’s expand it. But let me first clarify once again. I did not say that Dan and Jaekyung’s relationship constituted literal slavery. I am saying that there is a strong case to be made for it being akin to it. And I am saying that when you say that Dan no longer retains the right to say NO to work, and that he is FORCED to CONTINUE DOING WORK even after he has CLEARLY SAID NO, you are ADVOCATING FOR SLAVERY-LIKE CONDITIONS. You are saying that DAN CAN HAVE ONE OF HIS BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS REVOKED.
Merriam Webster definitions of slavery:
a: the practice or institution of holding people as chattel involuntarily and under threat of violence
b: the state of a person who is forced usually under threat of violence to labor for the profit of another
c: a situation or practice in which people are coerced to work under conditions that are exploitative
Britannica definition of sexual slavery:
sex slavery, condition in which one human being is owned by another and is forced or otherwise coerced into working in the sex trade. Activities associated with sex slavery include prostitution, pornography, child sex rings, sex tourism, and such occupations as nude dancing and modeling. Sex trafficking is the procurement and transport of the victims.
And I’ll thrown in Merriam’s definition of wage slave as well:
someone who is dependent upon wages to make a living often with little or no opportunity for advancement
English isn't my first language but I hope I'm clear enough.
Ohhhh okay so if I get frustrated with someone being indecisive while we’re having sex, instead of stopping, instead of taking that as a clear sign to stop what I’m doing, I should keep going! If my partner starts crying from obvious pain I should just keep fucking them while she cries! You’re right, thank you, I’ll make sure to do this next time!
He didn’t know about it beforehand but I personally think someone as wealthy as him should be responsible with how they manage their wealth. You’re acting as if Jaekyung didn’t eventually find out about Dan’s financial situation and his grandma.
How recently have you read this webtoon. I have notes on the first four chapters. Do you want notes on the events of first four chapters? Because we’re clearly disagreeing on what happened during the first time they fucked and I’m not letting you twist my fucking brain into thinking something else happened that I know didn’t happen or that things that DID happen didn’t happen.
I get it I get it but that is not the case.
Dan genuinely wants to work for Joo Jaekyung. He does bruh, he feels grateful for the things Jakeyung has done for him. I want you to know that they signed their official contract when Dan came to Jaekyung’s place and demanded more cash. He willingly wanted to do it to save his life. He was ready and open to prostitute himself and there was no coercion in that scene.
Can you please go and read that chapter again and see what happens after Dan cries? Bc you're rephrasing every single thing that happened just to fit your own belief. Thanks♡
1. The art is GORGEOUS ( huge improvement from BL Alex)
2. Dan signed up for this.
You hate to see it but stuff like this happens in real life. It’s called being a sugar bb. Dan knew what he was getting himself into. He made a deal for MONEY no where in their contract did it say J has to be kind and loving. ( Obviously I want that and I wanna see him grovel ) but you guys forget yourselves. He is a big time athlete with an ego and money to burn. Dan is poor and in need of money. In fact are we just going forget that J paid off dans grandmothers hospital bills? For no add on or extra requirements from Dan? Did you also forget the part where Dan asked for MORE money a month and J said sure but in turn he wanted have Dan whenever and wherever and Dan AGREED? A deal is a deal. Is J a piece of poo? Yes. Is this story meant to get us riled up for him to have some crazy redemption arch? YES. If you hate reading it, then quit. Tired of you fools yapping and not understanding how things work. Pipe down and enjoy the BL or leave and quit hate reader.