"If you don't do X I will do Y" and "If you don't want me to do X, then do Y" is manipulation.
Nanjo think blond head is mistreating red head. Read this twice. Read this again. And again. And rethink about what you've read. Then about what you say.
Blond head say he will mistreat red head if Nanjo doesn't let him f*ck him.
Nanjo let blond head f*cking him to prevent red head to have to deal with blond head and being mistreat.
That's manipulation.
Nanjo doesn't like blond head. He doesn't want sex with blond head. Being forced to have sex with blond head because if not, blond head will mistreat Nanjo loved one's, is r*pe.
You don't need to have a knife on your throat to be manipulated.
You should apply everything you say to yourself.
Redhead takes nanjo to blondie to show him how he likes it. Nanjo thinking blondie is mistreating redhead is his own interpretation of things. He is a closet kink shamer and doesn't want to admit it. Has he asked the redhead if he's being violated? No. Is he making his own conclusion without involving the person that he's claiming to protect? Yes. Is this his own saviour complex driving his actions and not him being manipulated? Yes. He can say no. When has protecting someone meant giving up your own ass? What is on the line apart from the ass of a man that didn't mind disrespecting him like that? Love is not self sacrifice. If he wanted to protect redhead wouldn't telling him to stop fucking with blondie a better solution? Is expressing his discomfort about the whole shit and telling him about the threat not a solution??? All I see is a grown man being abominably stupid. Not everything is manipulation.
Another thing, let's stop enabling emotional fragility and act like it is not imperative that we say no even in tough situations. Being so mentally weak that a ridiculous deal made as a joke can make you feel that giving your ass is the only solution is weird. Saying no was always on the table.
You just prove you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm just going to assume you had nothing as a comeback and leave it at that. Great day.
I don't have time to make big text like you and don't want to entertain immature people like you. Not everything is about win or lose you know? How old are you? 12 yo?
Is trying to insult my age the best you can do?? what a loser!!! I'm not 12 just petty. I do like winning so you're right about that.
like winning but calypso ate you up by being correct as well as mature. you might not be 12 but you act it. you can like a character AND admit that they’re manipulating a situation btw:)
Ate me up where? I don't have to admit to anything I don't believe in just because the masses accept it. I'm not blown by anyone's winds. If not pandering is acting 12 then I'll be 12 for a very long time
acting 12 is being completely stubborn and convinced ur in the right like lmao nanjo is stupid and naive that’s literally the easiest group to manipulate but dw sweetie you can have your own personal opinions! ur just a bit hypocritical and funny
You accept I can have my own opinions yet you want to force me to accept something I don't believe in?? Who's the hypocrite here eh? If I want to change my mind I'll do it at my own time thank you very much. I don't know why y'all forget this is a public forum where we are free to express our opinions. It's not a forum for policing people's thoughts and ideas. Don't try to smother me with your own interpretation of the story.
Projecting much ?
I count no less than FIVE projections at least.
I will make you happy : You win at that
I think I overestimate. It's more like they're 8 yo
Thank you so much for making an appearance.
I called it. Y'all use terms you've heard on the internet to sound intelligent when it just shows you can't read for dear life. I know you have a hard time with paragraphs so practice some bbe. Please look up what projecting means. Where is the correlation in all this? It's so idiotic but I have time it's the weekend anyway
Interesting, you found an excuse for taking so much time writing sh*t. Took you some times!
Not understanding where you're projecting is precisely the point of projecting. That's what's called cognitive bias.
I understand those words are too difficult for you, here is a synonym : mirroring. Or maybe that's more complex for you...
As a last attempt to help you educate yourself :
"A cognitive bias is a systematic pattern of deviation from norm or rationality in judgment. Individuals create their own "subjective reality" from their perception of the input. An individual's construction of reality, not the objective input, may dictate their behavior in the world. Thus, cognitive biases may sometimes lead to perceptual distortion, inaccurate judgment, illogical interpretation, and irrationality."
You’re pathetic and so is your reading comprehension—and it’s ironic you think you’re above the poor post-pandemic literacy rates when yours is in the gutter. Get a life and common sense before you subject yourself to something you, apparently, can’t comprehend. As you said to someone else, good day lmao.
Y’all need to calm down. Nanjo can be stupid and Monkyeon can be manipulative at the same time. Both things can be true at once. And for one, we don’t even know for sure what’s running thru Nanjo’s mind throughout all this. Monkyeon openly admits in his head that he’s taking advantage of Nanjo’s naivety to get what he wants from the situation and that’s OKAY. Characters can be manipulative, characters can be hypocritical and characters can be stupid. There’s really nothing we can do if some people are annoyed by it and some people find it compelling. I personally fall on the latter camp. I love Nanjo to bits but he oh so clearly has a savior complex making him vulnerable to Monkyeon’s scheming. I also really enjoy Monkyeon as a character more so by the fact that I find it interesting that he’s deluding himself. This is not a perfect perpetrator-victim dynamic and one could argue that it isn’t one at all but I think we all need to admit that no side is completely blameless here.
No. Since there is manipulation, it's not ok and it's important to say it. Some people here are young and need to know as earlier as possible that you CAN'T be blamed when you're manipulated. If you're manipulated, you're a VICTIM. And manipulating behavior cannot be justified nor excused.
It being a fiction doesn't give a special treatment. It being a "love story" doesn't make it romantic, acceptable, normal or less manipulative.
You can love blond hair all you want, it doesn't take away the fact he IS manipulative. You can ship for him being with nanjo all you want, it is never normal to coerce someone. It. can't. be. love.
No one is saying it’s not okay that he’s manipulative—they just said he was. Characters are not intended to be something/someone moral the entire time, and I’m sure the author is gonna have either some positive or negative character development. I actually only like the ML here—Nanjo has no personality, and the ML has a terrible one but, he’s interesting, "compelling" as you said. But it was clearly what Tima said— how they don’t seem to understand the concept of manipulation and coercion even though they can use them in a sentence (a stupid sentence, but I digress). How they are willfully obtuse to the fact that yes, it was rape—and even the ML admitted as much a few chapters ago when he said "next time, I’d like to have sex, not rape." And despite my last comment, I’m not upset, I’m more amused. I find it funny how Tima complains of literacy rates and has no media literacy or critical thinking skills in sight.
That study that showed post pandemic literacy levels are abysmal is so true and this fandom and other bl fandoms should already be case studies. I don't know where critical thinking skills disappeared to when it comes to reading even if it's porn fiction.Most readers don't even read in between the lines anymore. Y'all like parroting terms like manipulation to look like you understand what you are reading when most of you don't do research on the shit. I swear I bet none of you have psychology degrees to back your shit up with years of intelligence. Y'all don't even look up stuff you just say it na hope it sticks.
My question is how is nanjo being manipulated by blondie?? Manipulation always requires a power dynamic of sorts. And bfr someone even says it just because nanjo's a bottom that doesn't mean he doesn't have power let's get that out of the way. The blondie made a deal as a joke and guy just accepted it. He says he likes the redhead but how can you say yes to your cheeks being pounded to 'protect' your beloved?Even if they ain't dating isn't that micro cheating?? Y'all are obsessed with bottoms being victims that you'll pull anything out of y'all's asses. Nanjo is a grown man that could have said no especially to a man he doesn't even like. He wasn't held at gun point. He wasn't coerced. He wasn't even tricked he just accepted a very ridiculous deal and y'all are acting like that's blondies fault. You say blondie is manipulative but don't say red head is manipulative for telling him to have a threesome he didn't want? Is manipulation only applicable when nanjo's the one being penetrated? Manipulation involves power plays, how is the blondie exerting power on nanjo when nanjo can always do what he wants??? Y'all just can't admit that bottoms like him are just stupid.
Blondie has a crush on nanjo. He was being playful and even he thought he'd be shot down when he made that deal so how is he being manipulative???
Another thing y'all need to stop learning about sex from porn. Saying nanjo is being raped is wild. We know he's never bottomed so why would y'all think it wouldn't be uncomfortable even when consent is given?? Penetrative sex for the first time ranges from uncomfortable to pain oftentimes depending on the receivers ability to relax. Nanjo is not relaxed at all through this and it's not blondies or his fault. His body is not used to getting dicked down yet and that's just normal first time things. Penetrative sex is a process tbh it takes time for the body to adjust just like so many things. Also the heteronormative sex positions for the first time in most BLS ain't it. For anal sex spreading your legs is really for the pros. For beginners the legs need to be closed so that the anal muscles can be stretched and open up the hole more so it's less painful during penetration. Doing missionary on an anal beginner is just terrible but that's the creators fault and all other bl creators for their lack luster interpretation of homo sex.
I know I'm about to be called a rape apologist and told to kill myself for thinking like this but do with this information what you may.