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Is incest rlly tht big deal? I mean yeah its morally wrong but up till now some other culture still does it.

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i pray that you don't have siblings

Did i say something wrong? I know its immoral but come on arent u guys ignorant? Incest has been happening even up until now to some other culture, nothing big deal about it. Its their culture, why tf would i care about that lol. Not that i want to in tht kind of relationship but ya all r just exaggerated.

She kinda right incest has been going on all over the world for thousands of years. in the era of this book incest is actually really common. Incest probably stopped becoming normal in the 1700s or 1800s. so not that far away.

Also ive seen countless culture still doing that practice until now. Ive seen in a lot in amis group

Amish*

Yes, it is a big deal. Not accepting incest is not about being ignorant. Yes, it is still evident in some cultures, but there is a reason why there has been a HUGE decrease since the olden days (For ex., long ago marrying within families were common to continue the bloodline & convenience). However, it has led to a huge decrease not only because there is no longer a need to retain the purity of a bloodline, but also because of the physiological and biological repercussions of committing incest. There have been many studies on this and one of the obvious ones is the increase in inheriting genetic diseases due to two recessive genes getting together, which is why sickness and extra ligaments is common in most Amish cultures. Also, we humans have an extremely unique brain that needs groupings (ex. family) and organization, or we will easily fall into mental chaos. There has been many studies again on the falling apart of these groups (ex. incest, parent living, parent dying, child dying, etc.) and how it affects us. And the majority results haven't been good; most people who don't have secure authority figures usually struggle in some way in the future. For ex., I have never met my birth father, and my step parents are literal bitches. I now have social anxiety and trust issues, which is wonderful. Anyway, sorry for making this so long, I sort of study in this field (history and biology) so I know a bit.

I see thats actually very informative but as i was saying, its really not a big deal at all, incest will always exist so long as other people conform to their cultural practices. We really cant do anything about it even if you say it is biologically radical. It is like saying "jesus is the real deal, you atheist should convert to Catholicism". The system does not work like that. Reason why its not a big deal because it has been existing to some primitive individuals, we are just not used to it w/c is why we find it disturbing but not to the point of making it a big deal because to some folks, they find it normal and standardized. I study sociology btw. Also the thing you mentioned about how unique our brain into categorizing stuff- that is because what we think reflect on our surroundings.

even today if you look on social media you see a lot of cousins and step siblings actually dating each other (and no they aren't from Alabama). You just can't help who you fall for ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I understand what you're saying. There are people still doing incest so we can't really judge their actions right? However, I just responded because you called people who were against incest "ignorant" because it really is their opinion, like how it is your right to have an opinion that incest isn't a big deal. But thanks for your information and lets just agree that this manga is just too sad to read

I dont remember at how calling someone ignorant is an insult to their face lol. Im just telling them to take other considerations, we really can't base of on a single judgment.

If you see to it that ignorant is an insult then you better really take time off your phone, you wouldn't win on an argument like that. Also rather than how sad this manhwa is, its actually really interesting. Every characters are so complex that i dont even find them pitiful.

Also the fact that I have a friend who's in a relationship with her cousin is pretty mind-blowing lmao. They didn't even know they were related until they saw each other in their family reunion they broke up in the end tho bc they thought their relationship was wrong from the start.

dude im trying so hard not to be mean here. You are allowed to have your opinion about whatever you want. However, at least use your word correctly. "ignorant" means lacking knowledge or education. People believing incest is taboo for them (like how most of the world feels -> its literally considered a global taboo) is not being ignorant. But for you, I will give some examples about how ignorant should be used: People are being ignorant if they believe that BLM is just a movement. People are being ignorant if they believe women have equality currently. But i don't care about what you believe in because i believe that you have the right to believe in what you want. However, don't call out other people because they believe in different things than you. So you better get off your phone, blow off some steam, and come back when YOU'RE ready since you don't seem to be able to handle critical criticism. Also, yes this manga was definitely interesting, and the relationship between the two brothers is definitely beautiful. I do find them pitiful a little, but I'm glad they at least have each other.

You're too sensitive dude. IGNORANT is not an insult wdym? Im just really baffled at how you misinterpreted my words and twist it however u like. Is being IGNORANT equates to being stupid? So do you mean that homeless people are IGNORANT since they dont have educational background on a certain topic means that you're already degrading them????????? I dont get it, if a word hurts you so much then YOU should be the one letting off the steam. Now something is wrong with my word? Huh

As a matter of fact, nothing is wrong with being IGNORANT, since you are open to a lot of possible answers and judgment, in quest for knowledge. Einstein was once an ignorant (tho his IQ scales higher than most) but he is thirsty for answers and a very curious person. I am open for other judgment that is why i was impressed at your knowledge about bio and stuff, thus i did gave back some of my humble knowledge about sociology. Thats how communication works. Also what criticism again were you talking about? We were just merely debating on the argument of incest. Like im legit so confuse of your aggressive behavior ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Using the word IGNORANT applies to various situation. Lets say i was ignorant at how incest is considered as a global taboo (although i already acknowledge that it is morally wrong in my first reply????) And they were also being IGNORANT of the fact that it is existing throughout primitive cultural practices (in which we should consider throwing judgement on them, since we dont experience it.) IGNORANT literally means having lack of knowledge about a certain topic. It applies to both of us (not sure if it does on me since i already ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS MORALLY WRONG) but i was just merely saying to take other considerations in hoping to comfort those folks participating in such a thing. What do you guys think? Is calling someone ignorant equates to calling them stupid or pretty much insulting to their ego's? (Now pls dont misunderstand the word EGO bc it literally means different in psychological context, its not what u think it is.) Do i rlly have to explain.... (⊙…⊙ )

bro, when did I say ignorant = stupid? you are twisting my words dude. You're using an ad hominem and red herring which is seriously low. Also, you started the aggression, I'm just reciprocating (but hey i said i was trying not to be mean, I'm really trying). I'm not trying to convince you about anything. You can believe in what you want and defend what you want and we both know incest still exists and there's nothing we can do about it since it's their choice. Also, its nice of you to be considerate of others despite the fact that you don't do it. I'm just saying, not accepting incest is not ignorant/lacking knowledge on the topic. They have their beliefs about it and so do you. Some people, like me, grew up thinking incest is bad, now I'm indifferent since I've seen many love stories (from the past through archeology and currently) that have many different shapes and forms (including incest) so I don't mind, but I do know the physiological and biological consequences of it so I would recommend against it. Sorry if I came out aggressive before, people around me say I'm "too passionate" sometimes. p.s. getting away from the debate, nice to meet u and i think its nice to have a convo like this hehehe I haven't really talked to a lot of people except my classmates (who are seriously all self-centered bastards tbh) so this is actually cool thanks for the convo and see u tmrw? (we seem to live in diff time zones or something bc we always post a day apart)

Qoute IGNORANT qoute- thats how you literally replied to me before, was there a pretense context behind your wording? Is it wrong to tell someone ignorant?? I dont get how it is insulting to them. Im just really confused (￣∇￣") i called them that because they have failed to empathize with those folks who have instigated on the taboo. Or is it a different culture upon the perception of the word "IGNORANT"? And lastly there was no debate, you have just misunderstood my tone of words and that have made you agitated, thus came off rather being aggressive.

Which part of me was aggressive??? Is calling someone "ignorant" really a provoking and sensitive sneering? That's just how you twisted my words bro, i did nothing wrong but only to offer my humble knowledge about sociology's viewpoint on the taboo.

Also plss dont call your classmates "bastards" because thats LITERALLY an insult. Dont just base off on a single judgement, thats pretty low. Might as well you consider their alter egos and misunderstood temperaments.

That's the thing: not being empathetic towards people who do incest is not considered lacking knowledge on the topic (ignorance's meaning right), they might just don't like it and they are expressing their opinion (especially since we are taught in school of its negative outcomes). However, you can't assume that by being against incest, people are AGAINST the people who practice them, they might just be against the act (like me). You're missing my point. I never said you insulted the people using the word "ignorant," I just mean it doesn't necessarily mean they don't know on the topic more than have their own beliefs of it. That is why I said the example of my life. I know there are people and even cultures that still do it, however, I'm personally still not a fan just because I have done research on this, I believe the Red Queen hypothesis is pretty dangerous in itself (even if its not really a theory tho), and a number of other reasons (as you know the other psychological and sociological consequences). Also, I quoted it because you used it. It doesn't have any other meaning than to go back to use the word you said. (AGAIN SINCE U TEND TO MISUNDERSTAND, I AM NOT IMPLYING YOU INSULTED SOMEONE WITH THE TERM I AM JUST QUOTING THAT WORD). ALSO, bro "debate" means we are discussing on a certain topic, informal it may be, but we are still talking about a certain subject. it doesn't mean what you think it means (i think u misunderstood the meaning of the term "debate) Anyway have a nice day and talk to u soon

OMG bro chill, I was just trying to tell you that I appreciate this convo despite the consistent ad hominems, but nm then. AND you do not get to decide anything; you don't know me, you don't know who I am around, and you don't even know them compared to me who has been around them for years

because she definitely is entitled and wants more power and the current princess (who is NOT fake) is in her way since she probably does want to submit
comoared to eclette who seems to be easily manipulated

Not fake? Σ(っ°Д °;)っ

Wasn't eclette the 'real' one?

the current princess is still the daughter of the king how can she be fake?
does that mean the king and her brother are fake royals?
the current king if i’m not mistaken is the younger brother of the previous king
eclett is the younger illegitimate child of the king and holy priestess so technically she doesn’t really have any rights on the throne (if i’m not wrong)
the current princess does look alot like all her ancestors with her hair and eyes you could also see it in the beginning that she ressembles her absent brother the crown prince
so yeah how can she be fake and live in the palace her whole life from her birth when she is considered a fake princess

Oooh... Thank you for the explanation!
I don't know if I missed it or just forgot but I just remembered that she died in the previous life because she was fake and eclette was the real princess....
So I thought its one of the stories in which they either swapped the baby or adopted a fake one bc they though the real one was dead somehow.

But it totally make sense that both are of the royal lineage, MC daughter of the current one and eclette of the previous..
But then, her previous life confuses me? Why did she die? Why did they think she's fake?

Is it all the church and priestess bitch-san work? But hooow if eclette has less rights to the throne being the illegitimate daughter of the previous king?


I'm still confused lol. Sorry.

So true cause she herself said that her and eclet are cousins so It don't make no sense also just remember her little sister wrote this novel so it's bound to have some holes as she probably one of those fan fic writers trying to write her own book cause she thought if she could write good fanfics she can write a novel so yeah

i agree to some degree but lets be honest its been years since they spend time together and she didnt change much she is still pretty ignorant about the things around her and seems to depend on others way to much to a degree where she looks scary and crazy sometimes like someone who would kidnap someone who was nice to her just so she wouldnt be alone or kill people around that person to make sure that person stays with her alone so i think her behavier is rather toxic especially for the people around them and if its not fixed it could turn into something dangers in the future after all those years she should have realized the growth of others around her and that she needs to change something and try hard herselfe without being that naic especial since she seem to be a bit older than the other and lets be honest the others were not that much older when they first meet but they still were able to grow pretty well even thought they spent time with her as well especially if they really are her only friends it make so sense she is still like that after not being under her aunt anymore usally kids tend to be on a similair level with their friend and the people around them at least thats the case if they dont have any kind of sickness that prevents them from growing up like that but seing how she was the wicked ness in her i dont think thats the case she just doesnt seem to find a reason to grwo up and be independent eventhought it seems that at their age in this place its normal to already work or at least start to be serious about it its not like where i grew up where most start to work at age 16 as soonest but most only start around 20-25 depending on how long they go to school

Preach!!

yeah but even the others said that they didn’t even like cretianne so lippe is prolly the only one who is nice to her or cares even a little i definitely agree that she needs to gain some independence but i don’t think she really can with the way her life is set

yeah but even the others said that they didn’t even like cretianne so lippe is prolly the only one who is nice to her or cares even a little i definitely agree that she needs to gain some independence but i don’t think she really can with the way her life is set

I’m pretty sure he’s on the good side but I think he’s just pretending to be nice to Trashta and causing problems (but he seems to enjoy chaos too)...