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The seme clearly didn't enjoy their first time. Why is he pursuing a guy if neither of them enjoyed it. They clearly didn't have chemistry in the past. Magically now they do?
A role reversal would have been far more interesting.
I think it was more cluelessness, rather than a lack of chemistry.
Neither of them knew how to properly do anal sex at the time in the past, and I don't think they used any lube. It is very easy for anal to end up painful; the tissues are more delicate and tear easier. Although it very rarely happens between consenting partners, it is even possible to puncture the colon, requiring immediate surgery.
That being said, the continuation in my head has them switching. :)
that didnt cross my mind that they didnt use lube. 0_0 they were young so that makes sense.
How many of the couples we loved end up like this? it makes me so sad.
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cheating on the uke with the woman? or did he break up with him and then start dating her? makes a big difference to his character. Before they broke up they seemed to be having difficulties having sex and he was barely home. It's sad how people just stop valuing their partners.
From what I gather, the depth of his love for the uke scared him, so he started distancing himself. Then, societal/parental pressure to marry--plus his own desire for a family--caused him to create even more distance between him and the uke. When his coworker confessed to him, he was already primed to leave the relationship, so he broke up with the uke to date and eventually marry her.
Like the uke said, his own fears and insecurities broke two people's hearts.
Yea inthink he married her out of nowhere. I think she invited him on a weekend, seme lied to the uke for where he was going, i think thats when the marriage proposal was. They probably didnt even have sex before that.
Considering they didnt get a baby for the years they were together, they probably didnt do it often so i dont think he cheated the uke. Well i hope
how is he getting home without his pants???
right!? wtf
does anyone have problems with their notifications? When I clicked on it it didn’t show me the usual instead it said “srry the page is unavailable”. is anyone else having those problems?
I was just thinking that too!
English pants = underwear :). Though the other image is pretty hilarious too
Thank you, I was so confused. Lol
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He seemed to become attached way too quickly a nd became controlling/jealous right from the start. when he used to be a playboy.
why did a rich man invite a stranger into his home? he seemed surprise to find out he was a killer. didnt he recognize the package from his own company? im just confused, i feel theres more to the seme than we know, and we never delve deeper than his weird obsession with the uke.
Yeah same too, I'm like ain't he used to be a playboy and then suddenly so devoted and obsess with a guy he just met and slept with for no particular reason. If only it explain like maybe love at first sight or something like that i would be willing to ship them more but this just feel too rush and forced. This feel like when fan ship the male lead character with a female lead character just because they're main character but even thought they don't have interest in each other an dot fit to be together but have to be a couple just for the show.
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i almost didnt read this, i was expecting there to be lots of cheating, and that it would be difficult to read. There wasnt cheating, but there was rape and violence; from Igen towards Kasan. Mostly in the beginning, before they fell in love. Im glad i stuck through the story.
The only thing that bugs me, is that i felt that Kasens grief is never truly acknowledged. Everyone constantly mentions Igens painful past, how his family was killed. I get wanting revenge against Kasans fathers. But Igen killed innocent people to get his revenge. He became the mirror of the man he hated the most.
I dont like that Kasan had to bury his grief, and never really allowed himself to feel the pain of loss. Or feel the pain of knowing Igen took the lives of his innocent family members.
I loved this story, dont get me wrong. I just hoped that the people in that house would understand more that Kasan suffered a terrible loss.
rape?? there's No rape in this story. Igen did treat him badly, as the son of his enemy at first. kasan had a terrible internal struggle between loving Igen and the fact he killed his family. Kasan family ain't innocents. all of them participated and supported the betrayal. (still I don't know if Kasan's mother and sister knew about the rape, I mean Kasan's father raped Igen's mother before killing her). But they weren't innocent. Kasan was the only one clueless about what happened.
I think you’re missing the bigger picture; the idea behind this comment is both of them have suffered terrible losses, but Igen’s loss of his family seems to be highlighted more than Kassan’s. The question remains is why is there such a lack of empathy for Kassan? As said in the story, it is because he had the wrong father, so it is not him who is at fault, but fate. By saying that the whole Akuzan family are guilty is a false statement. Are we certain EVERY part of the family was in on it? No. The servants of the house, all the workers for the Akuzan household were slaughtered? To say they are not innocent would be false as well. You can make the claim that the Akuzan family was not innocent, in general, this would be correct, but when looking at individual people this statement is inherently untrue. This person isn’t saying the Akuzan are innocent but referring to the bloodshed of unnecessary victims (workers, guards, maids, etc...)
look what to their first time. there was definitely rape. he kept yelling stop, and was called low.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/to_take_an_enemys_heart/nbt/manga/lueduo_diren_de_xin/c014/pg-18/
also, how can you blame the other family members without the story showing they are guilty? how did his SISTER of all things have any responsibility for what her father did???
Thats exactly what i meant. Thank you for explaining my thoughts so well.
We can see Kassan in the past many times through the story. He was a good kid that would try to feed the homeless. How did he deserve all the awful things that occurred to him? The only thing we see of the sister is that she doesnt want to get involved with a homeless person being falsely accused. I dont think making such a selfish choice makes her deserve death. Some people try to avoid getting involved in things like that. Doesnt make it right, but doesnt make her an awful person either, in my opinion.
The brother that went insane was once kind and protective of Kassan. We still dont know if he was always evil, or if the tragedy changed him.
I love this story dearly, i just wanted Kassan to have a bigger voice. =)
i wish we could edit comments. my first response should say "look what happened during their first time."
that wasn't their first time lol. he didn't raped him. he molested him aka masturbated him. not nice. at that moment they didn't know each other and Igen hated him.
Kasan's family knew about how their father got the power. In one of the translations I read it was mentioned that kasan was the only one clueless about what happened. when you translate, there will be always stuff left behind.
do you realize the Azukun family was the one in power of almost a whole country?! Kasan's father killed the King and all his sons, only Asakin survived. kasan's father is not royal, so he couldn't be king; but were noble and took the power. it seems Igen's family were the ones protecting the king. so they got killed first. Queen mother trained Igen to take the country back. this story is not about feuds between two families clans, this story is about political power and the throne/crown. if you want to compare, Igen killed the Azukun household; kasan's father killed Igen's, Asakin's and any family loyal to the king (Ceaser's included). this is why Igen's loss seems highlighted over Kassan's.
I don't think you understand what rape is, which is scary.
Yes, I understand all.of that.... how are kassan and his family responsible for what their father chose to do. Igen killed innocent people, just like kansans father did. They both suffered a great loss, but kassans pain was never acknowledged. Igen only showed momentary remorse when kassan was crying for his mother. I think deep down he knows he did something wrong but his pride won't let him admit it.
correct me if I'm wrong but Igen didn't really rape him first time right? He was in the bath when Igen threaten Kasan to be his sex slave and forcefully masturbate him, which of course it's close to rape but it's more like sexual harassment (which is still horrible of course, but hey, Igen was just stabbed by a knife in his heart so it was some sort of revenge?). And then when they finally had their first time, it was after Igen had a nightmare and cried and Kasan calmed him down, and Igen said "he won't stop this time even if Kasan asked him to..." and Kasan replied, "I didn't say I didn't want it..." and kissed Igen's scar, which means Kasan gave him consent right?
I agree. Kassan gave him consent. The only rape that happens is the rape of Igen's mother. Kassan was nearly rape in a later chapter and saved by Igen in the nick of time. I would think if Igen was not icy at the bath tub then by Kassan's thoughts, he may had consent at that time. I know Igen had made sexual advances and made comments but after reading this many times and translation some of the Korean, I would want to believe from his actions he would not want to force Kassan any more than he did. That bath tub scene was in a bad moment for them and they are still in a misunderstanding at that time.
Jesss..... Igen did sexually assault Kassan but he did not rape him. Rape is a form of sexual assault but there has to be sexual intercourse or sexual penetration without the person's consent. That bath tub scene was an sexual assault not rape. But I would believe by the thoughts of Kassan if Igen was not Icy at that time, it would not even been an sexual assault. I think Mixtress Bathory did understand the definition of rape.
Guys... I think the misconception has been amended. But this kind of stuff always makes for good ethical conversation.
You're right, throughout this story I never understood why Kassan and his other family members had to be blamed for some grievous actions that they did not even partake in. Igen righteously should have only killed Kassan's father. But I guess it's how society was like in the past, people used to greatly emphasize upon the importance of blood connections so... it's unjust but that was just their (erroneous) mindset and way of thinking. I do wish that Kassan didn't place so much blame upon himself for something that he clearly isn't accountable for (claiming that he betrayed his family, etc. ) But I do think that Igen really did feel repentant about what he did though, and has actually learnt from his mistakes, since he took in Airan's son and even named him after his mother. The scene where we were introduced to her son was really powerful symbolism.
That is very true. He could have gotten rid of the child and kassan would never have known. I didnt see it as his way of showing remorse for what he did. Thank you for the response. =)
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am i the only one that finds it odd that no one seems guilty about the fact that they are killing people without knowing why? he almost killed a pregnant woman and contemplated waiting for the baby to be born. if the character was a villain or had mental health issues, i would get it. but they both seem capable of good feelings. why dont they feel guilt? how can you live in a fancy mansion, raking in millions off the blood of the corpses piling up your subconscious? im stuck on the scene where the seme is hitting the uke for failing his job (he didnt know it was the uke). But this man is so incredibly cowardly that he needs the person he is beating up to be tied up.
well, we knew going in from the synopsis what this was about. and there is lots of black humor, I don't think you can take anything seriously about this.. it's an edgy roller coaster.
i knew going in what it was about. but i was expecting them to be killing criminals or something. not just regular people. i think thats the part i find odd. plus, you can have a book about being a killer and have him feel remorse, instead of being happy go lucky.
you could have that, but I think that is a more unrealistic view of assassin's.. just a guess, I don't know any, haha... wait, I don't think I do:)!
its ok lol. it doesnt stop me from enjoying the story, i just commented my thoughts. it managed to keep my interest and i like the characters. i hope i dont come off as hating on the story.
True, they don't have much remorse. I felt uncomfortable when they would kill people bc the only motivation behind it was money. Still, I enjoyed the comic. I guess that's what beautiful art and humor does. And I probably like Siyeon way too much.
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The ending just felt rushed. An antidote was never created. Edwin is still living and still a threat. Why didnt they change Karis and Kyon to be royals? that way they can live together longer, and they wont need to worry about their safety.
Why did ryan want to kill kyon so badly, but when its revealed that Christoph was also mind controlled, he was forgiven and allowed to stay??? I get that Ryan cares about him, but Ryan knows what Kyon means to lucaon, so im confused.
I did like it, but it felt incomplete.
DUDE SAME I didn’t get that part either it made no sense for me!
exactly. I can't understand Ryan. He wanted to drive kyon out , even kill him when he knew about Kyon being associated with Edwin. But in Cristoph's case it was so absurd. Just because Cristoph stayed with him does not mean he can take pity on him. Worst case scenario Lucaon's family was killed by him. For kyon's case his memory was erased, he could not do anything about that. when his memory came back at least he tried to mend. But Cristoph was on complete different level. Gosh. Frustating.
exactly. he is risking all his friends by leaving ryan alive. he can be captured and brain washed again, he is a liability. more than kyon ever was.
I really hope the author gives him some aspirations. Or some kind of career.
Itd be nice to see him at a job he enjoys. I hate seeing him at random meaningless jobs. I get its hard out there, but if you keep trying you can at least find a tolerable job that pays well. Especially when you are young and likeable. Or maybe have him go back to school?
I agree with you