1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 5:58 pm

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I was so wrong about Na being honest. He ain't say shit after he got dragged in that room. Poor thing just endured. I really, really want to know more about him and the teacher's past because I don't understand such an unhealthy attachment to someone so horrible.

So anyway the chapter went the same direction as we thought but there are some interesting things.

So when Inshit brings Nakyum back he got the nerves to be mad at the servant for not acknowledging him and running straight back to Seungho to report instead. Dude has such a over-inflated view of his own importance like he got any clout, they were getting the shit beat out of them, they don't care about your "status" nigga.

Anyway, Seungho goes straight to choking Nakyum out (-_-) and says "Even after yesterday's ordeal you have no problem wandering around with your back straight." now I'm dumb because so many ordeals happened that I'm not sure what exactly he's referring to but I imagine it has to do with him almost killing Inshit?

Inshit stops him and says that he knows Na is unruly and that he counseled him(he even said Na only listens to him, can't stand this fuck, you know he's dependent on you emotionally.) Seungho (with his signature crazy eyes) almost says he's been assaulting Na. Seungho honestly seems to be going back to the dick slinging contest with Inshit, acting like that nigga is his competition. Almost look like he was going to rub it in Inshit's face like wtf

Of course this is when Nakyum interrupts him and he snaps all attention to Na because of course. If Na don't use that against him eventually I'll be pissed, but Seungho is clever and won't be that easy to manipulate. Afterall he's quite sharp, sharp and unstable oh boy. Na is in for a challenge.

So back to him pouncing on Nakyum. He confronts Na and is like "You told the teacher that 'Seungho sodomizes me and told me to paint it.'" and then says "It's a relief he only counseled you to paint right?"

THAT'S the fucking question where he got mad at Nakyum for not answering. This dude is even more shit than I thought as usual. He might as well be saying "It's a good thing he's a piece of shit like me then?" What a selfish cunt. I will say that maybe he's also saying "well you did a grave sin too now, its a good thing he didn't disown you for that." which is still fucked up to say seeing as Na didn't ask for any of that to happen.

He's not a wolf, he's a fox like someone said way back when. He's a fucking conniving fox.

Then he told NA not to anger HIM further when he flipped him over his lap. He called him "boy" which is very dom of him but it's obvious he doesn't see Nakyum as an equal whatsoever. This really is erotic horror, he's just as bad as Inshit and just as much of an antagonist. Honestly him and Inshit have that in common that they are both selfish men dragging Nakyum around by his neck. I think the more Seungho talks the more I realize that, he might not hide things but he still fucks with Na's mind. This is no romance but it's a painfully fun ride with a sociopath and a sadist lol

--TMI(personal stuff)--

That's three points towards my "Seungho is a narcissist" theory. I can't believe I thought this asshole had a break through with his empathy. He is absolutely lacking in it and took Na's tearful silence as an attack against him.

God he reminds me so much of a guy I used to date who was from South Korea and was off his fucking rocker. Controlling, gas lighting, unempathetic, and good in bed but completely unpredictable of what will set him off next. Maybe that's why I dislike Seungho so much even if I like him as a villain. He's just so well written as an abuser, he acts just like how abusers act when their victims run.

Maybe that's also why I'm so sensitive about Nakyum. I've been there, sitting in a corner crying silently while Jun would yell at me or threaten me while trying make me agree with his fuck up way of thinking. That fact that Seungho uses intimacy as a weapon, I remember we were about to have sex and I told him I needed time to feel comfortable, he said he should rape me since I'm into that type of thing.

Too much info I know but one of the reasons I like this story so much is because it depicts abuse in such a realistic way that I feel like someone gets me. I really put myself in Na's shoes, maybe that's why I want him to be happy so badly. Then the erotic rape helps me cope with my own experiences dealing with assault, apparently that's a common thing with survivors and rape fantasies. It's weirdly therapeutic.

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 7, 2020 11:51 pm

I think everyone has a good idea of what happened in chapter 30 but I'm still excited to see the official translation since that chapter is another turning point in the Nakyum/Seungho dynamic. The way Seungho aggressively kissed Nakyum was whew, want to see what he officially said after that.

Anyway, the trolls will come with the new translated chapter I guarantee you. I'm just not going to engage if they show up. If no one react to them they'll get bored and leave. Hopefully the only critiques will be constructive ones.

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 4:10 am

    Im anxious about what was said too. But Seungho has a way of disappointing me with his dialogue

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 4:18 am

    Also idk if it is just me glitching but I swear that my replies are getting cut off. I added a lot more to what is posted above lol TwT

    What I meant to say was:

    Im anxious about what was said too. But Seungho has a way of disappointing me with his dialogue xD i think he says one thing and then it turns out he said something stupid. Jk jk. This story has me hyped up. And I cant wait for Nakyum to see what he is capable of moving forward due to Seungho's obsession and infatuation with him.

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 5:52 am

    I hope you're buying the Official translation on Lezhin. I buy the chapters from there then I come here to discuss it.

    Marius January 8, 2020 8:12 am
    I hope you're buying the Official translation on Lezhin. I buy the chapters from there then I come here to discuss it. thebigofan

    whith pleasure if only i can open lezhin on my phone

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 8:16 am
    whith pleasure if only i can open lezhin on my phone Marius

    IOS app sucks because they don't have any explicit BL on there. Only the android app is good.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 9:19 am
    Also idk if it is just me glitching but I swear that my replies are getting cut off. I added a lot more to what is posted above lol TwTWhat I meant to say was:Im anxious about what was said too. But Seungho has... Rui_Vi

    I don't even get disappointed anymore because I expect fuckshit from him at this point. But yes I'm just hyped no matter what at this point. Hopefully Na doesn't get caught up in his web as well :(

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 9:21 am
    I hope you're buying the Official translation on Lezhin. I buy the chapters from there then I come here to discuss it. thebigofan

    Yes I do, not that it's any of your business.

    Rui_Vi January 8, 2020 10:19 am
    I don't even get disappointed anymore because I expect fuckshit from him at this point. But yes I'm just hyped no matter what at this point. Hopefully Na doesn't get caught up in his web as well :( 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Yeah you start getting used to it lol. I find it a bit amusing. I want it to be Friday already oof

    Also that clapback at that one person lol Seriously. They look down on people reading "illegally" but still choose to support the illegal website by commenting on here. The irony. Like there are plenty platforms to discuss. But sure, choose the free manga website. If it's so bad why are they using it then?

    Marius January 8, 2020 11:50 am
    IOS app sucks because they don't have any explicit BL on there. Only the android app is good. thebigofan

    you’re right, it really sucks

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 8, 2020 4:44 pm
    Yeah you start getting used to it lol. I find it a bit amusing. I want it to be Friday already oofAlso that clapback at that one person lol Seriously. They look down on people reading "illegally" but still choo... Rui_Vi

    Yea that shit gets on my nerves tbh. It's such a snooty question. Glad I'm not the only one who thought that ;^_^

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 8:45 pm
    Yeah you start getting used to it lol. I find it a bit amusing. I want it to be Friday already oofAlso that clapback at that one person lol Seriously. They look down on people reading "illegally" but still choo... Rui_Vi

    I said people should buy the comic to support the artist. Is there something wrong with what I said?

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 8:46 pm
    Yes I do, not that it's any of your business. 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    I'm glad to hear that.
    Thank you.

    thebigofan January 8, 2020 9:09 pm
    Yes I do, not that it's any of your business. 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    No need to be nasty. Just wanted people to know that they can buy the comic in English.

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 6, 2020 7:14 am

Definitely was hard for me but I did notice that Nakyum might be continuing his honesty. Before they fuck Na actually admitted he was afraid of Seungho (that's what it translated to but who tf knows with Google translate.) and it looks like Seungho has a mixed response. He still does the selfish thing (it seems) and tells him to paint anyway but I think he's starting to catch on to how he can really get to Nakyum.

I guess that's why he switched his methods in ch. 31, he's thinking it will more effectively manipulate Nakyum into liking him. I don't think he necessarily likes seeing Nakyum cry, he just can't get past his selfish goals. He's definitely capable of empathy enough that the crying seems to bother him but he still wants Nakyum to do things his way. He looked more annoyed than anything, like Na's crying was inconveniencing him.

It's good that Seungho is not a static character but its also frustrating seeing moments when you feel like he can treat Nakyum better and he just chooses not to. This manhwa honestly doesn't feel that different from the film "Misery" at this point. It's eerily similar down to the fact that they both fell for their favorite writer/painter and kidnapped them. Without all the erotica this is legit that film.

I do kind of miss the other characters having more important roles. I would rather not see Inshit for a while, I really want to see what Jihwa's going to do because I can't stop thinking about how he snapped and lost it. I'm afraid for Na but hopefully Jihwa goes after Seungho instead, that would be nice tbh. I'd like to see some parallels between Jihwa and Nakyum too. That would be interesting.

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 5, 2020 9:59 am

I would love to see Byeon's reaction to this comment section. They would probably make the pikachu face let's be forreal

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 4, 2020 7:48 pm

I knew this was going to happen after ppl kept pointing out he was limp during the more violent rape. Yaoi got people thinking certain looks and actions somehow annul the fact that it is indeed rape. He was even protesting throughout if you translate it. And that whole "he's pretending not to like it" bullshit is literally the same as "no means yes". Y'all think abusers don't point out when victims get turned on? Seungho is using Nakyum's natural reactions to further delude himself.

Na was coerced into letting Seungho fuck him. Seungho still committed rape even IF he's someone who prefers his partners to be pleased. Some ppl made good points about the mirror also being a way for Seungho to sear himself into Nakyum's mind as the new object of his desires. He is being possessive and trying to replace Inhun as well as have Nakyum immortalize their false love-making into paintings.

He wants to create the fantasy that Nakyum really desires him and have it manifest in reality no matter what Nakyum really wants. Some of y'all seem to share his same fantasy. This is why I sometimes think Seungho is the true main character. I still feel like a lot of people internalize his POV because most of Na and Seungho's interactions are written through Seungho's POV, especially in the recent chapters.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 5, 2020 12:34 am
    This reply will be showed after approved! selbesaur

    OMFG I was literally about to mention spousal rape! I think some ppl here should read "I Never Called it Rape" which dispels all the myths around rape.

    Funnily enough my main kink is BDSM and rapeplay is actually my jam lmao I just hate seeing ppl not understand how consent works (maybe it's because I explore rape so much as a topic XD, you have to when you do rapeplay).

    It's society's fault tbh because as a whole there still needs to be education about what is and is not consent. That's why I'm so against how much romanticized rape is in yaoi, it validates those mindsets the "no means yes" bullshit ALL the time and never seriously explore the different ways rape occurs (though things are getting better now thanks to society progressing in general).

    It's why I like the way abuse is portrayed in this manga. It's actually perfect for rape kink because it's an accurate depiction of rape and abuse yet is still erotic in its art style. Plus the mangaka actually shows different ways that rape occurs INCLUDING when the victim feels pleasure. I feel like some people are blinded by the erotica and WHEW the rape culture jumped out. The art is romanticized so they want the plot and abuse to be romanticized too like other yaois, fuck that shit.

    Let's /hope/ it doesn't go that route.

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 4, 2020 1:35 am

There's always talk about Seungho changing and being better but I want to know theories of how Nakyum will go from be hunted down, kidnapped, and victimized to falling in love with Seungho. Not as stockholm syndrome or from a mindbreak but him genuinely developing real feelings for him.

THIS IS NOT ME THROWING SHADE. I'm just really curious because I think some of y'all have good points about how Seungho can change and how he works mentally but I don't see as many people discussing Nakyum's trauma and how he would get to the point of wanting to get to know Seungho let alone falling in love with him. What's your theory of how Nakyum will develop into being interested in Seungho?

In other words, Seungho is more of the antagonist than the romantic interest atm. In your opinion how would Nakyum start seeing him as a romantic interest?

    Ninja-mermaid January 4, 2020 2:09 am

    Once Nakyum realizes learned sir is a grasping, manipulative poser rather than an idealized father figure/role model, he will be desperate for a replacement attachment figure. He has a trauma bond with Seungho, which is similar to stockholm syndrome. He will need to idealize Seungho as he previously idealized learned sir. Which means idealizing his own pain amd suffering as something beautiful and pleasurable (bdsm) and feel gratitude to Seungho for inflicting the torture. If you saw the series Outlander, there was a similar dynamic between Captain Jonathan Randall and Laird Jamie Frazier. http://besttvcharacters.com/the-best-outlander-characters/

    hellyeahiluvyaoi January 4, 2020 2:51 am

    I think it will happen after his learned Sir betrayed his trust and seeing Seungho in pain will lead him to care...

    C0rmack January 4, 2020 6:28 am

    I personally don't think that Nakyum will fall in love with Seung ho. I feel like the author is taking a different route than the usual victim falls for victimizer after character development. Even after Nakyum finds out that Inhun is a shady selfish hypocrite, he still will not turn his eyes towards Seung ho. The answer to me is in this scene: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/yahwacheop/uu/yahwacheop-chapter-2/8/
    the part where he says "Still, I thought he'd be more dignified. I should have known. All the nobles are noble only in appearance." Meaning he has the lowest opinion of Seung ho. If Inhun falls from his pedestal, he will not have anyone else to look up to as a representation of dignity. Also, this scene on ch28: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/yahwacheop/uu/ibx_chapter-28/pg-8/ - with the mirror and how terrified he looks after he sees the reflection of himself been embraced by Seung ho. Nakyum thinks he is filthy for the paintings he creates and for his sexual preference. Seung ho is a representation of everything he hates about himself.
    This new development with the mirror is going to make it even worse for Nakyum. For Nakyum the idea of seeing himself doing those things with a person he considers filthy is torture. There is no way Nakyum will fall for Seung ho even after he changes (if that even happens)

    Brie January 4, 2020 7:03 am

    I feel like (just thinking out loud) Yoon needs to fall (get broken) break his pride/arrogance, something profound happens to him, and Nakyum can see him weak/vulnerable he may be able to see Yoon as just a regular human man and not this untouchable larger than life noble. Once broken Yoon may be able to grow gentler, grow as a character. Then Nakyum may be able to understand and come to forgive him for what he has done. I see Yoon as a character that has closed himself off completely from everyone else. I feel like (wishful thinking maybe or reading too deeply into some of the story's details) he has been hurt very deeply and that has twisted him into this mean, violent man incapable of love or affection. And these kinds of characters sometimes become so mean precisely bc they were once so gentle and naive and pain then warps them. characters like these can be redeemed and often all it takes is something so small like affection from another living person. And I can see Nakyum perhaps being the one person who reaches out to him when he is at his weakest/lowest. (Kind of Beauty and the Beast maybe?) I'm just rambling. Maybe I'm totally wrong and Yoon is just an asshole.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 4, 2020 5:58 pm
    Once Nakyum realizes learned sir is a grasping, manipulative poser rather than an idealized father figure/role model, he will be desperate for a replacement attachment figure. He has a trauma bond with Seungho,... Ninja-mermaid

    This is beautiful in it's own way! I love dark dynamics like this but it's not healthy whatsoever. I'm asking how it can turn into a healthy dynamic as well because people want them to make up and be together. How can it be healthy and happy.

    Don't get me wrong I'm that boat of ppl who wouldn't mind a dark and complex dynamic between Nakyum and Seungho (now I am moreso in that boat lol) but I'm talking to people who seem to think they can make up and start over and forgive their past interactions. I'm asking how Na could get to that point, not how Seungho can make him but how will he get over his own trauma personally?

    Definitely going to look that show up tho sounds interesting >>

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 4, 2020 6:26 pm
    I feel like (just thinking out loud) Yoon needs to fall (get broken) break his pride/arrogance, something profound happens to him, and Nakyum can see him weak/vulnerable he may be able to see Yoon as just a reg... Brie

    See that's that "It just takes a good woman to save him" type shit. That's a very harmful trope that needs to die imo. It doesn't allow the characters to grow on their own and it's rather predictable writing. An abusive man will almost certainly have a tragic past but we need to stop thinking those people can be cured by love. It's a myth and since Byeon seems to be going after some semblance of realism I don't think they will have Seungho be cured by love. He needs to work through his baggage on his own and shouldn't have Na as an award for doing it. If something profound happens to him it should be his journey alone to work through, affection from another is not enough.

    Especially since they said Na and Seungho will be happy in their own way. That makes me feel like they would want most of their big developments to happen separately. I agree that Na would sympathize with him and would probably see him as more of an equal if he were more vulnerable but why should he love Seungho? Why would they go the unrealistic route of love curing trauma (on both sides) when the author has been pretty honest so far? Not saying it's impossible, just seems like a weird turn after everything that's happened.

    Plus, again, no one's talking about how difficult it would be for Na to be intimate (romantically or sexually) with someone who has inflicted trauma on him. If he somehow became more open and decided he was okay with Seungho how could they touch each other and be truly open emotionally? How can Na trust Seungho after everything? Y'all saying how Seungho will change but what after that? Seungho's ways won't just disappear after he's been that way most of his life, what then?

    Sorry for the million questions but with a realistic story like this it wouldn't make sense for them to suddenly be trusting and loving towards each other. There would be A LOT to work though.

    btw you should check out this video on abusive dynamics in fiction, very eye opening imo and some of the dynamics remind me of NaHo so much (they mention Beauty and the Beast too) it's called "Abduction as Romance":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8xL7w1POZ0

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 4, 2020 6:55 pm
    I think it will happen after his learned Sir betrayed his trust and seeing Seungho in pain will lead him to care... hellyeahiluvyaoi

    Like C0rmack said, why would he accept someone he never liked nor respected? Yea Na is a softie but how will he get over his own inner turmoil to fall in love with Seungho? I agree that he's capable of forgiving Seungho don't get me wrong. I actually look forward to them possibly having closure, closure happens all the time between victims and perpetrators. I think that would be ideal but--

    Romance is a whole 'nother /level/. Say Seungho starts treating him gently, why should Nakyum trust that he's being real when he's snapped on Na before after showing him affection. He literally gives Nakyum pleasure and affection then turns around and abuses him. How would Nakyum then start trusting that his actions are real?

    And again, why does Seungho automatically deserve the same man he victimized just because he realize he's an abusive and unstable man? Why should Nakyum be abused then turn around and help Seungho heal? That's such an overdone plot device and tbh I can't see Byeon doing the typical "A bigger asshole makes the other asshole look good" route.

    I think it's possible for learned Shit's betrayal to bring them together but who's says it won't develop into an abusive relationship? Well actually it's already an abusive dynamic, who's saying that won't continue even if Seungho starts to open up and be vulnerable? Will that change years and years of his toxic behavior in such a short time? Will Nakyum SURVIVE trying to change him?

    Actually, that would be an interesting (if painful) route for the story to go lol

    dinos123 January 5, 2020 3:45 am

    Tbh, I also don't know how the author could transform their relationship into a healthy one. I can only think of the overuse trope of "changing because of love", which it will make me kinda disappointed if the author decides to choose that path.

    In my opinion, it will depend on the future interactions ,beside sex, between them. After all, Nakyum returned to help his teacher, basically becoming his spy, so he'll have to find a way to gain Seungho's trust, cause I doubt he's going to find a lot information just by having sex with him. Seungho might be horny, but he's not stupid.

    hellyeahiluvyaoi January 5, 2020 4:22 am
    Like C0rmack said, why would he accept someone he never liked nor respected? Yea Na is a softie but how will he get over his own inner turmoil to fall in love with Seungho? I agree that he's capable of forgivin... 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    you're right abt the abusive rls. their rls wont be a healty one ...

    Brie January 5, 2020 5:04 am
    See that's that "It just takes a good woman to save him" type shit. That's a very harmful trope that needs to die imo. It doesn't allow the characters to grow on their own and it's rather predictable writing. A... 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    I was only posing one kind of scenario that could result in a more or less happy ending for both of them within the constraints of this story. This is not grounded in reality and I really do see it as a modified beauty and the beast. At the end of the day if I have to look at this

    Brie January 5, 2020 5:16 am
    I was only posing one kind of scenario that could result in a more or less happy ending for both of them within the constraints of this story. This is not grounded in reality and I really do see it as a modifie... Brie

    Realistically then no, Yoon should be arrested and Nakyum should look for a healthy relationship with someone in a balanced psychological state. Through suspension of disbelief, I am able to read and enjoy this story when otherwise I would be horrified. I'm not going to debate abusive relationship dynamics. I mean beauty and the beast is foundationally one of the most messed up classic stories of all time primarily because of the laundry list of psychological problems however it is also one of my favorites regardless. The scenario I mentioned would only work in fiction and would only be acceptable because this is a work of fiction.

    Brie January 5, 2020 5:22 am
    Realistically then no, Yoon should be arrested and Nakyum should look for a healthy relationship with someone in a balanced psychological state. Through suspension of disbelief, I am able to read and enjoy this... Brie

    Although like I said earlier my comments are just me thinking about the topic question. The only way I can see Nakyum come to care for Yoon is through a beauty and the beast style trope, overused or not. Otherwise I do not see a mutual relationship being possible.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 5, 2020 9:43 am
    Although like I said earlier my comments are just me thinking about the topic question. The only way I can see Nakyum come to care for Yoon is through a beauty and the beast style trope, overused or not. Otherw... Brie

    okay I get it. That is possible, I personally don't think Byeon would do that but you're definitely right that it's a possible outcome. Sorry I misinterpreted

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 3, 2020 6:13 pm

I listen to Tyler the Creator because his love songs are demented af and might as well be Seungho serenading to Nakyum. Especially the song "She" where he switches between obsessing over her, threatening her, and then professing his love and affection in the same breath omg that is so Seungho.

"VCR/Wheels" is even more like him since the whole thing is about him being into making (umhmm rapey) sex tapes. Seungho is literally doing the old school version of that lmao who knew dark love songs would go so well with this dude! Even Tyler's abrasive horniness reminds me of Seungho I can't XD

I'm curious to know what other ppl listen to and if you guys think of dumb shit like this to cope (might get some good song recommendations out of this, I'll make a POTN playlist)

    Rui_Vi January 3, 2020 6:20 pm

    Im following this thread for the playlist, man lol. I have a personal playlist for other manhwas im reading atm but I haven't thought of one for this story so this is just my cup of tea xD if I think of any I will add to this haha

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 3, 2020 6:24 pm
    Im following this thread for the playlist, man lol. I have a personal playlist for other manhwas im reading atm but I haven't thought of one for this story so this is just my cup of tea xD if I think of any I w... Rui_Vi

    Tbh I'm sad to hear that I was looking forward to hearing your songs sense you have good energy :( but if any pop in your head you should share them!

    Rui_Vi January 3, 2020 6:27 pm
    Tbh I'm sad to hear that I was looking forward to hearing your songs sense you have good energy :( but if any pop in your head you should share them! 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    That's because im riding a less depressing?? wave of music atm so i can't think of any at the top of my head -cries in Spanish- ( ̄∇ ̄")

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 3, 2020 6:32 pm
    That's because im riding a less depressing?? wave of music atm so i can't think of any at the top of my head -cries in Spanish- ( ̄∇ ̄") Rui_Vi

    I get it, I don't blame you. I'm just stuck in sad hoe hours 24/7 lmao

    Rui_Vi January 3, 2020 7:07 pm
    I get it, I don't blame you. I'm just stuck in sad hoe hours 24/7 lmao 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Aw nuuu XD also I did think of like one song just now that I think fits Nakyum and his situation to a T. Sorry for my trash suggestion, but Im trash so HA.

    Silent Night by Dreamcatcher. (Its a kpop song OTL)

    Rui_Vi January 3, 2020 7:12 pm
    I get it, I don't blame you. I'm just stuck in sad hoe hours 24/7 lmao 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Dreamcatcher - Trap is another one. Like once you look up the meaning man. But even just the intensity of the songs themselves speak to me

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 4, 2020 12:52 am
    Dreamcatcher - Trap is another one. Like once you look up the meaning man. But even just the intensity of the songs themselves speak to me Rui_Vi

    Definitely listening to these tonight! Nakyum could probably have a playlist all on his own T-T

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 3, 2020 4:31 pm

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Well Seungho got what he wanted, had a temper tantrum and beat the shit out of his servants, and now he got what he wants yet again. It's really starting to make even more sense why he's so entitled. Though this time its thanks to Inhun, I hope Inshit dies for bringing them back to that house, I hope he gets stabbed to death.

I translated some of the text and Seungho had the audacity to tell Nakyum to stop pretending he doesn't like it while forcing Na to look at his own expression in the mirror. Bruh I could smack the shit out of him. Also, he had the nerves to get mad at Na for not answering him in the beginning. NIGGA HE DON"T FUCKING LIKE YOU, HE DOESN"T WANT TO PAINT HIS ASSAULTS FUCK OFF. It's like Seungho can't accept that he's not the romance interest and he's trying to force himself into the role anyway (which is sort of funny in a fucked up way).

I hope Na continues to at least deny him his heart because at this point I want Seungho to suffer out of pure spite, he needs to respect the word "no" for once in his life. I almost feel like Seungho's abandonment issues and his family's dwindling power makes him want to use his control over Na as a coping mechanism. Sounds weird but he does seem to also get off on the idea of dominating Nakyum. He might seem flippant and carefree on the outside but I think Seungho feels rising insecurity and turmoil from his past and from his current situation. He's hopelessly trying to hold on to some semblance of control and Na is the perfect outlet; mix that up with lust, infatuation, and obsession and you got a perfect storm.

I mean Seungho is so obsessed with having Na's heart he's even trying to delude Na (and himself) into thinking he secretly wants it. He's so used to every man throwing themselves at him, so used to them worshiping him, that he'd rather force that idea on an unwilling Na then admit the truth. If we think about it his sexual prowess is the only power he has left, having a lowly peasant reject him must've pushed him fully into villainy.

Seungho had such a possessive look in his eyes when he looked at their reflection, man. Those golden eyes were staring into his soul like he was drinking up every bit of Nakyum. It was rather intense, Seungho is probably TOO intense a person to ever have a lover and now I'm seeing more proof of that.

This is definitely some Frollo Hunchback of Notre Dame type obsessive love.
Hear me out:

1) Both of them became infatuated with someone they see as inferior

2) Both don't know how to handle their infatuation because they are not familiar with that feeling

3) Both are powerful assholes, and both try to win their object of obsession through dominance and destruction.

Nakyum's got a powerful man absolutely whipped and we all know how those stories usually end. This just drove home the fact that Na is proooobably screwed. Yup.

Ugh, I hate it but it's also fucking interesting and I'm actually a slut for obsessive love plots as long as its done right and imo Byeon is definitely the type to give that sort of plot justice. I still want to german suplex both Seungho and Inhun but I'm kind of excited for the next development.

    Saccharine_Facade January 3, 2020 4:42 pm

    I agree with all of this. Especially when you cited Claude Frollo- he gives me the same vibes as him too. I don't see this relationship becoming romantic and personally, I don't want it to go that way since Seugho is too crazy to be a match for anyone....(⊙…⊙ )

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 3, 2020 5:00 pm
    I agree with all of this. Especially when you cited Claude Frollo- he gives me the same vibes as him too. I don't see this relationship becoming romantic and personally, I don't want it to go that way since Seu... Saccharine_Facade

    Seungho's got too much chaos going on in his head to handle love lol

    But I would love for Nakyum to start pulling an Esmeralda and actually give this nigga some chase. I want to see more of an equal power struggle, I want to see him drive Seungho crazy muhahahaha (plus Seungho is lowkey hot when he's all boypussy whipped not gonna lie). I don't see a romance ending either and tbh the story wouldn't be as strong, captivating and intense if it went that route imo. Though I would be up for seeing Seungho change for the better in some way, just because that would be the biggest plot twist!

    Unfortunately I don't have much faith that my son will develop to be stronger but I do think Seungho will have an interesting development.

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 2, 2020 11:36 pm

I'll definitely have my buttcheeks clenched for chapter 31

It's tomorrow y'all, I'm not ready.

1evis1ittlea$$hole January 2, 2020 4:15 am

Asami is a trash rapist and Aki has Stockholm syndrome. It's nice to see some people moved away from this fandom. A lot of us liked Viewfinder back in the day and personally I get why ppl still like it. It's pretty to look at and it has good drama. But the tired ass hypermasculine seme who's abusive and controlling and the romanticized rape is dated af. Some people simply grew up and have better tastes now. (❀╹◡╹)

    Romanceisdead69 January 2, 2020 8:28 am

    Welp, it wasn't dated like 15 years ago when it was created ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ Who cares anyway? It's only a comic, to each their own and all that...

    Smoothie January 2, 2020 4:33 pm

    Yeah, you're basically right. The main thing which makes Finder stand out is the art, it wouldn't be where it is today without it.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 2, 2020 4:48 pm
    Welp, it wasn't dated like 15 years ago when it was created ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ Who cares anyway? It's only a comic, to each their own and all that... Romanceisdead69

    The rape to love trope is ass backwards and dated even for the time it was released. If you knew even a little about Japanese rape culture and sexism in Japan you would understand how harmful a lot of women-oriented porn is, including yaoi. It doesn't cause the mindset of rape but it perpetuates alot of harmful mindsets that already exist around rape yet is available even for children to read. Some of us know how to critique things we used to love. Viewfinder is dated and problematic, look up rape culture and romanticized rape in media. Maybe learn something.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 2, 2020 4:52 pm
    Yeah, you're basically right. The main thing which makes Finder stand out is the art, it wouldn't be where it is today without it. Smoothie

    Yea tbh Viewfinder's art is quite polished and beautiful even now. The art is the one thing that DID age well imo but woooo yaoi is so much better and more progressive as far as plot goes nowadays (tho there's still growth that's needed). Viewfinder reads like one of those trashy romance novels now.

    1evis1ittlea$$hole January 2, 2020 4:56 pm
    Welp, it wasn't dated like 15 years ago when it was created ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ Who cares anyway? It's only a comic, to each their own and all that... Romanceisdead69

    Also, the hilarious thing is that yaoi didn't start out with these harmful tropes lmao back in the 70's when BL first started the two lovers tended to be equal and rape wasn't used as a lazy plot device to make h-scenes and jump start a romance. They actually developed the romance instead of using shortcuts, plus rape was treated as a serious crime (as it should be) back in the origins of BL. The shitty rape trope is actually a more modern development that happened after the couple became more heteronormative. You must care a little since you went out of your way to reply to me (and thumbs me down) lmao

    Romanceisdead69 January 2, 2020 5:55 pm
    Also, the hilarious thing is that yaoi didn't start out with these harmful tropes lmao back in the 70's when BL first started the two lovers tended to be equal and rape wasn't used as a lazy plot device to make... 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    It's strange how you're getting so worked up. Dude - you totally went on a rant (in two replies may I add) all on your own with nothing but pure defensive BS conjecture, reading subtext from my little two line comment that simply wasn't there. Arguing points I hadn't even made. All because you want to feel like the big, pretentious POS that you clearly are. Well done you, we're all very impressed.

    Once again - it's only a comic! Who cares! And I hope you can manage to crawl out of your ass long enough one day to see that. No need to get all uppity about it (=・ω・=)

    Lightasus January 2, 2020 6:20 pm

    I suppose I can see why this might be a little problematic if someone is reading purely out of love for the romance and is a little too impressionable.

    Personally I just read this because I find it kinky, and I can't find much harm in that if then again someone doesn't get disullonised into thinking rape is fun. Feeling safe with someone is so important. But I do enjoy my fiction a little wilder than that (I don't really ever feel unsafe with books, so sky's the limit lol), getting a little degraded is pretty much my biggest kink, so I do love the first parts better than the lastest ones :3

    That being said I don't really get how people could find this is romantic and all, but hey that is just me, some might see in it things I don't. I like my romance pure and my sex trashy, go figure haha.

    J Unleashed January 2, 2020 7:07 pm

    I guess Asami gets singled out since he's one of the mc's, but actually most of the significant characters are rapists. And as for your claim that Akihito has Stockholm Syndrome, HEY...

    ... captors need love too. But in Akihito's case, he just really got addicted to the wild sex (and also his ego wouldn't let him leave Asami alone). Every encounter at the first (which was Asami getting revenge on Akihito for meddling in his business) was initiated by Akihito. Then came the love story because that's what the readers themselves pleaded Sensei for.

    Smoothie January 2, 2020 7:25 pm
    Yea tbh Viewfinder's art is quite polished and beautiful even now. The art is the one thing that DID age well imo but woooo yaoi is so much better and more progressive as far as plot goes nowadays (tho there's ... 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Me personally I only read VF for a) Feilong (and to a lesser extent Mikhail) & b) the art. The art is truly beautiful and one of a kind. YA deserves lots of credit for that. Unfortunately lots of other aspects are lacking for me. Yeah, the story and plot isn't THAT great, let's be real. But I don't know how it stacks up compared to other yaoi series, because VF is the only one I've read.

    Smoothie January 2, 2020 7:30 pm
    Also, the hilarious thing is that yaoi didn't start out with these harmful tropes lmao back in the 70's when BL first started the two lovers tended to be equal and rape wasn't used as a lazy plot device to make... 1evis1ittlea$$hole

    Yes I agree with pretty much all you've wrote. Although I don't know much about the specifics of what you're talking about (Japanese rape culture and sexism in Japan, history of BL etc) but I think its common sense to see that positive portrayal of rape in media is a bad thing, and without a doubt VF's portrayal of rape and the aftermath is morally insupportable.

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