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Byeon is taking another week long break. A rough translation says they have food poisoning. I knew something was wrong when they complained about feeling really exhausted after chapter 31. I hope they feel better cause food poisoning is no joke.

That's why I hate how entitled some people are here with free uploads. Authors are humans who get sick and needs breaks too. Please refrain from complaining too much about the hiatus since it can't be helped. You all can wait a week to drool over a rapist can you not? I for one will take this break to imagine Seungho being tortured in many ways.

and I OOP












Nakyum is sick and close to dying thanks to Seungho and now Seungho feels his first bout of empathy. WELP! It took almost killing Nakyum but here we are. At this point I just want someone to give Na a break and hopefully Seungho can expand on that humanity. I'm honestly kind of happy to see something else besides cruelty and sexual prowess from Seungho. I might be jumping the gun (I have given him room to grow as a character before and he continued to disappoint me lol) but I think this might be the start of Seungho's emotional anguish (muhahaha!)

First of all, Seungho is not able to fuck his other hoes anymore. He was sitting in that room looking miserable and conflicted while trying to keep his usually bravado lmao it was entertaining to watch. He's starting to catch actual feelings, his infatuation is getting deeper but I REALLY hope this doesn't go down the "All is forgiven cause you realize you care about me not dying at least!" bullshit. That's a very low bar to shoot for forgivness to someone you tormented over and over.

However, I would love to see him show he has a heart without him somehow winning Nakyum's affections. I was so mad about chapter 31, go figure this chapter made me feel.......better? At least now we can say that he is capable of empathy to SOME extent. But let's not expect an instant change since he will certainly snap again when Nakyum rejects him, and Nakyum will reject him.

I'm hoping this turns into Seungho being emotionally punished by falling in love with his victim and not having that love returned. After all he does not seem happy about his new found infatuation, he probably sees it as a weakness. It's also possible that there is some type of closure between Nakyum and Seungho that humanizes both characters and shows how complex abuser/victim relationships can be. I'm honestly losing faith that the plot won't be mediocre since this is a pretty tropey and mediocre BL manhwa. I don't expect much complexities anymore, I only have faith that the drama might stir it in that direction.

Will Seungho go deeper into the obsessive love or will he began to understand his crimes and be a different character? I wonder.

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*This was before I read ch 33 which came out literally after I posted this lmao*




There wasn't a lot of interesting dialogue this time around. Is the author stuck in a rut? (is that what the hiatus was about?) Maybe they just needed a break, anyways I thought maybe it would be more dramatic, Seungho usually delivers on that but not this time imo. It was just your usually selfish top being like "you might resist but you know you want it" no-means-yes shite. (that Seungho fans will definitely eat up and start victim-blaming Nakyum since ppl already /were/ doing that w/o translations)

It's weird that he feels entitled to Na-kyum just because Na was attracted to him at one time. It's clear that he isn't anymore, I mean at first he could get a boner just watching Seungho but now he needs his body manipulated to get hard. That shows the amount of resistance that Seungho is selfishly trying to force his way through.

Na-kyum has lost any attraction to Seungho and Seungho /knows/ he fucked up.

Seungho knows he hurt Nakyum beyond forgiveness but he doesn't even care about forgiveness. That's why I can't fathom how anyone can sympathize with him. He's shown no signs that he's sympathetic and if this manhwa goes the stereotypical route of giving him a tragic backstory it doesn't take away from the fact that he chooses to be a selfish git without any real reflection on his actions. Maybe that will change, maybe not.

He literally said "you're gonna get hard for ME." he's not even considering trying to make things better for Nakyum's sake. He's literally twisting and bending Nakyum to fit his fantasy of being lovers with Nakyum because his pride won't let him live with someone not falling at his feet. Even trying to get Na-kyum to AGREE THAT IT WAS GOOD INHUN DIDN'T FUCKING HELP HIM. He was 100% okay with what Inhun did just because Inhun's bitchass happened to serve Seungho's selfish purpose. He is NO better than Inhun and that's on PERIODT.

A snake is a snake whether it disguises itself or not. Just because a snake is pretty doesn't mean its not venomous. Are we gonna continue to excuse this fuck nigga? Pretending he's just MiSuNdErStOoD and hot when he's shown he's just as aware and manipulative as Inhun? I just-- *deep negro spiritual sigh of anguish*

Edit: So, chapter 33 soothed my anger a bit. Seungho is still a selfish dick but he's apparently starting to develop in a more interesting way ;)


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Lately I've been really irritable and I realize this comment section isn't the best place to share ideas about such a controversial manhwa. I honestly have been looking for other places to talk about this manhwa in a more intelligent and critical way. I only see some convo on twitter but mostly there isn't any other place. I'm thinking of making some type of chat or some shit where ppl can talk about this manhwa beyond the vapid surface character judgments that people make here so much. (there used to be a lot more cool theories and really smart takes but idk what happened, they got drowned out probably.)

Tbh it's smutty so I get why it attracts that crowd but I'm more into the drama personally. Not that I can't get off to eroticized rape, just that the comment section of Seungho asslickers take the joy out of it for me because they romanticize him and his actions even when the author doesn't (although the manhwa does fetishize rape, that's a different thing completely). They project that shitty mindset onto the story and it influences my view of Seungho sometimes.

I honestly feel like some people feel guilty that they get off on non-romanticized rape (which is not wrong at ALL its just rape fantasy.) so they romanticize it on their own I guess to feel less guilt??? That or its just that yaoi normalizes that perspective so constantly we can't see past that trope. Personally those opinions just make me hate Seungho more than appreciate him as an antagonist, something I did much more in the beginning.

I wish Lezhin had a more comprehensive chat or something so I can just go there. I found plenty of like-minded yaoi fans who can think critically about what they consume and don't weirdly romanticize/glorify/excuse rapists and rape. I thought I was crazy to think that the POTN fandom is toxic till I saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1dxUleBEv8

She was talking about a different manhwa's fandom but it was crazy how similar that fandom sounded to the Painter of the Night fandom. I think because I don't read a lot of massively popular BL I'm not used to the dumpster fire that can be popular BL fandoms.

Popular BL tends to have people in them that really shouldn't be reading shit like POTN, lots of ppl under 18 who ain't even supposed to be reading this are the main ones blindly rejecting any constructive criticisms. It's different when I talk to ppl who like, say, psychological BL (Zankokuna Kami ga Shihai Suru for example). Something that is popular but not nearly as popular as these types of manhwa, the crowd is more close knit and mature in those fandoms. Don't get me wrong, I know the BL community on mangago can be dumpster fire in general simply because it's free and available to pretty much everyone. But damn even /Reddit's/ BL community is better and more balanced than this website lmao

This is probably the first series that managed to make me cry twice in public, this shit gets deep bruh

I'm also deeply in love with the Innkeeper. God the Innkeeper is so morally gray, mysterious and pretty. Exactly my type <3

Why y'all so concerned with Artis' gender? That motherfucker is a dragon, they identify as a /dragon/ nigga

Anyways, this manhwa single-handedly restored my faith in Isekai:

-Diverse fem characters who aren't poorly written or over-sexualized

-Elements of psychological horror that hit the angst just right and adds so much to Ryu's internal conflict

-Bara thirst-trap MC who is likable/relatable as hell yet is cool af at the same time

-The fact that it manages to take the 'Over Powered MC' trope and flip it on it's head, not making it obnoxious wish fulfillment but an actual obstacle to overcome.

-The accurate depiction of Ryu's trauma and character development are pretty awesome too, it's interesting to see these new violent outbursts disrupt his more laid back personality when he gets triggered into an episode. The writer manages to explore that well w/o glorifying his new found brutishness as manly or acceptable)

-The wholesome bonding within the party (and the heartache ;_;) especially the cute older couple who just need to fuck already because it's nice to see that type of pair in manhwa for once

-The adorable Wyvern <333

-And of course Artis' androgynous ass is my spicy baby, their friendship (romance? ;)) with Ryu is one of the best things about the manhwa tbh

-Did I mention how sexy Ryu is? Sword art online who?

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From now on if I want to whine about other ppl I will put it under a cut so ppl don't have to be bombarded w/ my shit along with everyone else's shit.

This story is smut with a rape theme so everyone just needs to accept that there will be arguments I guess. Accept that some people like rape, accept that some people will always hate it. Both sides just need to accept it honestly.

My personal problem is only with people trying to say Nakyum is liking the rape and trying to water down Seungho's actions since I don't like when ppl ignore the actual plot. I don't give a shit if the rape scenes get ppl off anymore because I realize that's not really their fault now is it? The story is drawn to be titillating afterall and it IS still smut. Even I get angry boners sometimes lol

Rape fantasy is actually very, VERY common among women in general and while some of it comes from a fucked up place it's not something that makes you some demon. In fact, it can be a very good thing for certain women.
This is an interesting psychology article about it:

https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/29/why-do-half-of-women-have-fantasies-about-being-raped-7099630/

The ppl who do shit on the manhwa don't seem to understand that rape fantasy =/= romanticizing rape. Romanticizing rape is more so using the act as a stepping stone to eventual romance. It's trying to twist horrible actions into some kind of fucked courtship. Which some ppl in the comments are doing (they can eat my ass too) but the mangaka cannot be accused of that yet.

We partly romanticize sexual assault because we have been taught since we were young that it's just a part of a man's nature "Oh he just can't handle his feelings so he just can't help it." as if we are talking about a child and not a grown man with a fully formed brain.

This type of thinking is already normalized in society (example: saying boys will be boys when they harass women and telling the woman to just try to avoid it.), yaoi is just a product of that. That's why people can't bring themselves to criticize Seungho the way he deserves, because we have made him the romantic interest in our heads despite everything in the manhwa saying otherwise. We act like Nakyum should do something to change Seungho when Seungho is the villain, he should be avoiding Seungho altogether. We act like Seungho is OWED romance at the end no matter what Nakyum wants, Nakyum is just an object to be conquered after all (even the mangaka treats him this way atm).

That's a flawed mindset that /should/ be criticized. It diminishes the severity of the crime that took place and treats the victim like their pain isn't valid:

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/when-pop-culture-sells-dangerous-myths-about-romance/549749/

The predatory romance model has been around since we were young and it's only being perpetuated in the way some of us see romance in stories. It's the reason why people are still cheering on Seungho like he's a romantic interest, because love stories told us from time that it's supposed to end in romance no matter what the guy does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWoP8VpbpYI

Some people don't like that anymore, some people don't want to mix romance with sexual assault and are hoping the story doesn't go that route, who can blame them? So many popular yaois romanticize rape and honestly it's a bit disturbing when I see people on here genuinely confused rather something is rape or not when it obviously is. That tells me that, yes, sometimes yaoi perpetuates people's myths about real life rape. (Yes, yaoi often does perpetuate rape culture to the point where people even expect realistic yaoi to follow that formula, it's why ppl hated Harada so much in the beginning, because they depicted rape as a tragedy and treated the relationship like so. It challenged that mindset. )

Would they be confused if they understood how consent works in real life? No they wouldn't. A lot of the readers are children who don't even understand sex ed let along consent. That's why you had more people thinking it was consensual when Nakyum had a boner. There are so many myths around rape there's a REASON why its a controversial topic. Let stop acting like it's the same as murder, people understand murder, there are no myths around murder that make people argue rather it's real or not.

The manhwa could still go either way at this point so people have just as much of a right to complain about the rape as others have the right to like it as a fantasy. This is not including the ppl attacking the manhwa itself but the people who just feel worn out by the constant raping. It's okay for them to feel frustrated, they're suppose to.

This is porn WITH plot so it's not hard to fathom that people will have negative emotions. It's supposed to do BOTH not just give you a boner.

Then I translate what Nakyum says and lose my damn boner. I will say it's interesting that Nakyum is trying to communicate w/ Seungho, maybe he'll start trying to resist him more too. To me this is no different than the time Seungho bashed his head in while he raped him, my asshole clenched from the thought of them fucking all day. Can't get a boner from this because unlike some other yaoi I know that Nakyum means it when he says it hurts and he doesn't want it.

The only reason that's weird for me is because it's supposed to be erotica, even w/ Harada (who's also realistic about rape) I get a sad boner lol but not with this manhwa. Maybe because Nakyum is so pitiful I just feel sorry for him more idk. Seungho couldn't even listen when Nakyum told him to wait which shows how little respect he has for Nakyum (kind of reminds me of Sangwoo, eat my entire ass if you have a problem with the comparison). I'm usually into forced orgasm too but not at this point, I could still appreciate the brutal details though. This manga seems to blur the lines between rape fantasy and realistic rape, very interesting.

Anyways, the thing that worries me is that dumb bitch at the end. I think the servants might start hating Nakyum if this all continues, the old man is still watching over him but I won't be surprised if the servants take out their frustration on him. She didn't sound sympathetic for Nakyum, she too busy talking shit about Seungho.

I hope the servants turn on Seungho and hang that motherfucker. Either way Seungho is just digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole. Breaking all the rules in a collectivist society will get you screwed no matter how powerful you are. All he's doing is adding more fuel for someone to bring about his downfall.

I still think Nakyum will be his downfall but perhaps not the way I first imagined. He might get so wrapped up in Nakyum that he doesn't see it coming, his behavior with Nakyum will probably be the last straw for all those around him.

I will wait patiently to see him suffer as much as Nakyum has.

https://twitter.com/ByeonDuck_/status/1215520256145293313

They reading all the drama here too I guess

I notice that twitter is pro Nakyum and this site is pro Seungho. I’m actually pretty curious about that. Is it an age thing?

It's so weird to me when people try to paint his obviously cruel actions as him not understanding Nakyum and him having to come around. I don't get how yall can hate Inshit with your whole chest but use kid gloves with Seungho like he's not just as bad.

At this point he pretty much said he knows everything that's going on including the fact that Nakyum is terrified of him and ran away because he doesn't want it. He understands very well what he's doing, maybe he's never experienced infatuation before but he knows very well that he wants Nakyum as more than another piece of ass.

He just doesn't care how he gets to Nakyum's heart. Yall saying "Once he realizes his feelings"? He don't realize them now? He seems pretty aware to me.

In my opinion I think people don't really like Seungho for who he is. People keep calling him hot and saying how he can develop and trying to dumb down his cruelty like that's not one of his most interesting things about his character. Nothing wrong with seeing him as hot, he's supposed to be seen that way, but he's so much more than your typical "hot seme" who goes from rapist to lover. That lazily written BJ Alex, Viewfinder type top does not fit this story.

Not saying he can't develop but he's not developing into a lovey dovey boy. He's a selfish prick and no matter how you try to twist it he reveals every chapter that he knows exactly what Nakyum is thinking, he absolutely knows how much he hurts Nakyum. He just doesn't give a fuck.

Look at the way he reacted when Nakyum started crying. How he could've stopped there but CHOSE to make himself the victim by making it seem like Na was trying to provoke him. People don't even seem to read the dialogue sometimes. People take the little bit of vulnerability he shows and runs with it, trying to argue he's smart but then turning around and treating him like some clueless child when he does fucked up stuff. He's not just emotionally ignorant, he also lacks empathy, period.

I never understood people who stan villains but don't want them to be a villain. Watering down Seungho's actions and continuing to hope that he does a 180 and acts all lovey dovey and out of character seems like something a fan wouldn't do. He may not be romantic interest material (he could be in a fucked up sense I suppose) but he's super interesting as he is. Even if he develops I don't think his fucked up side will go away but isn't that what keeps the drama ripe?

It's like some Seungho fangirls don't really like him for who he is. I could be wrong but the rose-colored shades are there, everyone else seems to enjoy him as the dom he is and fully accept that he may always be a selfish prick.