Idk about others but I really cried a lot for this manga, I know everyone is focusing on the second hand embarrassment or the comedy but to me I value the tiny moments the most. I feel like crying every time something bad happens to him especially when his friend acts like a jerk. I want to cry for soorims sister who likes him so much but doesn't feel like she can be liked. I just want to cry for hooni.
Same bestie I love him so much he deserves so much if I could give him money I’d give him all of my money just for him to be able to eat a good meal
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Im glad im not alone. I personally didn’t find almost anything here embarrassing bc most of them were serious situations and not something he should’ve been ashamed about, just like this chapter’s situation , and instead i’ve cried non-stop almost every chapte bc of how sad it is
Honestly same, I get so sad and feel so terrible especially when he hurts himself T-T
Idk about anyone else but I love our mc she's really ideal and down to earth. However, not gonna lie, even though I know her reasons are to stay alive and all. The way she treats eclise is a bit... you know, inappropriate in some ways. Not physically but mentally, she's really taking advantage of an innocent kid. In reality eclise unlike all the other guys is actually just a kid. And he's gone through a shit ton of stuff in such a young age. Ofc it's not actually put into perspective but if it was, eclises story would be incredibly sad. Knowing this, she's been using his somewhat innocence to manipulate him into doing what she wants. Aka probably his fear of being abandoned and fear of being thrown away. Also, the sad part is, he's probably never loved seeing as he's really young and he's been a warrior before he was a slave. It's no wonder his gauge is going up too quickly.
All in all, she's taking advantage of his weakness and exhausted side. It's a manipulation tactic similar to approaching someone who had a recent break up because then that person would be more prone to affection, practically needing more attention. Its easier to make that person like u because you're showing them "that I'm there for you when you have it so hard rn" which often leads the other person into mistaking gratefulness from love.
Now this would've been okay if our mc actually wanted to save him and stuff, because then it would be fine for eclise to fall in love with someone who truly cared for him and saved him from the pure goodness of their heart. But sadly the reality is harsh and mc only saved him as a means of using him for herself.
Whether or not this is a bad or good thing idk, I just love both mc and eclise so much but I guess in a way I couldn't resist pointing out her manipulation against eclise, but this is because eclise is so young and it didn't feel right to take advantage of that.
she's desperate to stay alive ang get away or out of the game. and I think she thinks this is a game and it is basically a game because there's that obvious circular panel on top of people and if I were her I would be doing the same so I can get out of the game.
No I totally agree, it's not like I'm meaning to shame her or anything. I was just thinking about it from eclises point of view. We obviously see it from mcs pov so we don't think her actions are wrong but if we looked at it from his pov it would be different
The reason why I love this manga is because she’s not faking it she knows that survival is her goal she’s not trying to help people along the way she wants to ensure her own safety and she’s sticking to it
She’s not contradicting herself by seeing someone pitiful and going to help them out of the goodness of her heart and this makes her a very relatable character because most people put themselves as a priority which makes sense
I’m not saying what she did to eclis is right I’m just saying that anyone who doesn’t have their head filled with rainbows and unicorns like some generic heroines would do the same
Yes i agree, again that's why I love mc and why I stated she's such a down to earth character. I'm merely pointing out things from eclises pov
Ya no I get it you’re right eclis deserves better I think he’s the youngest ml too I think he was 17 or something? That made him an easier target ig
Yup , I mean idk I just felt really bad for him, like imagining being in his position totally hurts.
you know it's not all the time that Penelope is faking her affection for eclis that's why eclis is also loving her and that's why eclis's love bar rate is now higher than before. and it's not like eclis is dumb just because he's young, he was actually a professional soldier and is very strong-willed. it's not like he's playing dumb or anything.
Well, I haven't said that he's dumb or that he can't see what she's doing. I said she's using his emotional immaturity (which he is because he's young and inexperience) to her advantage. She's manipulating someone who is emotionally and physically scarred from losing everything and being turned into a slave. No matter what reasons she has, doing this is beyond inhumane (in my opinion) but ofc I agree, in her situation it's about survival. Also no up until now all she's done lacks affection down to the core, everything shes done is to protect herself. She's not been there for him because she wanted to or actually felt something like affection towards him. Dunno how that will turn out later tho.
One last thing, his love bar rate is not high because he recognizes her affectionate way of treating him. It's high because she's treating him kindly (for her own benefit) and no one else has done so. He has lost everything and when a beautiful woman starts to take care of him and shows him kindness- he is bound to fall for her words and the mercy he has previously not received. And this is why I'm saying she's manipulating him.
haha, it's ok man, I'm not saying you are saying something actually I'm the one who is just saying that. don't worry let's just enjoy reading. I'm sorry if I triggered you hahaha.
Unpopular opinion but needs to be said:
There's a difference between abuse when it comes from male to female and male to male. Especially in this case, when seme said 'I thought that if you got violent then all I had to do was push you away' because in reality he'd be able to protect himself in case uke did do anything. The same goes for yumi, but most people don't understand that yumi decided to stay and receive the abuse (this is common in male to female abuse relationships as well, however most females are incapable of protecting themselves against a male) due to his love for kan.
Now this is in no way trying to justify or excuse ukes violence. However, yumi had the responsibility to leave because when it comes to ourselves we are the only ones who can protect us from others. I know yumi loved him and wanted to make things easier for kan but he really went about it in a wrong way. Staying and willingly receiving abuse was the worst thing he could've decided to do. Apart from destroying himself he also destroys the abuser who is unable to control himself at this point. He could've made it easier by leaving in the beginning when he realized kan became violent because that would've stopped the damage from escalating to a point that neither can escape from.
Might I remind you that in the end it was kan who had to forcefully make yumi leave. Yumi getting abused was because he couldn't leave and hoped that the person he knew would come back. Many abuse victims do this which is so incredibly WRONG. Wishing to help them and be there for them is understandable but staying should never be the choice.
Again violence is not justified no matter what and the fault lies with the abuser. Yumi is not at fault for anything other than the fact that he could've protect himself better than what he did.
I think my frustration really comes from the fact that kan was put into a place with so much shit happening and was incapable of leaving due to having no diploma. Getting help at that point was not an option for him and it's impossible to blame him for not caring about his mental health or leaving the company. When pushed to a corner a lot of people snap and the only solution would be to get help. And thats why I just really wished that yumi who was capable of leaving his situation but decided (unlike kan) to stay had actually left. I just hate that by staying yumi did more damage because i love him and I wish he could've spared himself the hurt.
In the end the best choice that had been made between them was when kan made yumi leave and yumi FINALLY did. Deciding to stay away and not have any contact with him was probably the best thing kam could do for yumi. The fact that the mangaka recognizes all these things and openly expresses to us that yumi 'couldn't be the one to make him smile' just makes this story 10/10
The thing is I'm crying because what you said is so true
Okay so this is how I presume the relationship is between the FL and her disciples + Jeffery.
So first disciple (aka old man): their relationship is really just mentor and mentee. He cares for her in the way that she's taught him the majority of what he knows and has spent the most time with her (so knows her the most out of the disciples) almost like a long time friend but still looks up to her.
The second one (aka elf, ps not sure if this is the right order of the disciples): their relationship is really simple, it goes down to savior/hero to the elf. The elf loves her in that way, like someone who saved her from her misery and pain. Someone who she is forever in debt to kinda? Often can be mistaken as romantic love is what I would say. Very possessive.
The third one (aka half demon boy): I honestly don't think he has romantic feelings for her and that he's mistaken them just like the elf (or maybe not). But to me their relationship is really like mother and son. We know he lacked parental love (which was his main issue) so he finds that in her. Also the elf kinda portrays sibling relationship with him (like older sister) and so the elf might also have similar feelings.
The fourth one (aka fairy girl): I'm not yet sure about her since we have yet to see the interact much. But she does show admiration and protectiveness, almost like how a cat favors their owner. She's a fairy and as we see is kinda high about her race and looks down on humans. In that way I believe she sees Charlotte as an exception- thus kinda admires and loves her like that. Maybe also savior? But she seems less possessive than the elf. Tsundere with her love?
The fifth one (aka white boy): tbh the original guy who is not possessed doesn't seem to have any romantic relationship with her. He mostly seems interested in getting stronger and facing her. However he also does like he kinda craves her love but is unable to portray it correctly? Kinda gives me same vibes as Dan. Buuuut his possessed version aka the demon says something completely different. This guys shows interest and has this bad boy evil mastermind who wants her in all the wrong ways. But there's a clear difference between the two in my opinion.
As for Jeffery (aka blue boy): he's probably the only one who shows genuine romantic feelings for her. Like he's aware of his feelings and he's been so for a long time. He's also aware of her mental state and how dense she can be. They show childhood friends kinda vibes between each other and she's most likely known him for the longest. He seems afraid of acting on his emotions, a bit because they seem really passionate. Like he's a bit afraid of his own emotions towards her. He's also really old so him and Charlotte are probably the oldest there, maybe fairy girl or white boy the youngest? Anyway, I'm thinking that he's most likely to be the ML however, he's also a little sus. Idk just the vibe he gives as if he might be hiding something big kinda makes me doubt it. But still most likely the ML because he's had most romantic scenes with her while none of the others really have.
Anyway this was really long but just needed to sort some things out there and hoped that maybe some of you guys will add your own opinions!
btw white hair boy is the youngest ! i forgot what chapter they said it in but they said he was the youngest out of all the disciples
Thank you so much for the clarification! I was so unsure between the two
Thanks
Jeffrey is a dragon that's what he's hiding (his origins).
Oh fr? Wait is that real? But isn't he the archduke?
Yes. he is an archduke, but he has dragon blood. He is one of those dragons that can transform into humans, one of his parents is a dragon (it could be his mother a noblewoman maybe a princess and his father a dragon or vice versa). That is the reason because he is so powerful and has such advanced senses that he can discover a hidden fairy (this cannot be done even by magicians) and Jeffrey's eyes compare them to Klauss's queen from Chapter 18 (she's a relative of him) or to Vermon and Carsilion who are human, Jeffrey's eyes are different. Lotty is half fairy, the twins and Eldow are fairies (look at the shape of their eyes they are alike)
Same i agree that it seems Jeffrey is hiding something big like where the hell did he get that magic contract? In Black Haze, Yongyong’s other work, the funny lovable laidback characters has actually big sad stories like a demon’s dragon, a former magician who conducted experiments that took life and affected the main protag etc. so there might be possibility for Jeffrey’s story and I am so ready for it!
Huh, but how do you know this? It doesn't have any novel or prior work done into a manhwa, it's original?
I began to compare the eyes of the characters as they are of different species, by species the eyes changes. And about the dragon I began to suspect when Jeffrey defended himself from Eldow, no magician is able to detect a fairy when it hides, you have to be aware of the details, I began to investigate other webtoons characters that are dragons and Jeffrey complies with the characteristics as I had also seen a movie HE IS A DRAGON, and the previous work of YY black haze has Dio who is a dragon
Charlotte's teacher is helping Jeffrey, there is a form of communication such as astral travel that allows the magic user to enter the minds of other people to communicate messages. That is why the mysterious dream of chapter 57, what happened to Charlotte (resetting the age) could also be done by her teacher or he is simply a guardian helped by the fairies to protect the door of the astral world against the demons, the fairies can allow certain humans to age slowly or have eternal youth.
Well it would make sense why she doesn't seem to age meanwhile her first disciple does. I guess dio also had blue hair but I feel like that's a bit of a stretch saying that Jeffery might be a dragon. Idk, but there has to be a common ground between charlotte and Jeffery for why they don't age seeing as both are pretty old. And it wouldn't be a secret to charlotte if that was the case, because she must've questioned his youth at that point?
In chapter 1 it says, that she and Jeffrey received the blessing of the king of the fairies (eternal youth). As fairies cannot intervene in human affairs, they must have chosen Charlotte's master as their guardian to prevent other humans from taking over the door to the astral world.Charlotte ages because she has a sacrificial curse called (brand of sacrifice search the Berserk wiki), her body suffers stress with the presence of parasite evan that absorbs her life force and mana
https://berserk.fandom.com/wiki/Brand_of_Sacrifice
Huh I didnt know it said that in the first chapter. However very interesting theory, I'm looking forward to see if there will be more elaboration on these things.
*cassis grabbing her hand innocently to heal her*
Roxanna: how dare you touch me!
*cassis who previously got (not consent) kissed and left with hickeys on his neck*
Cassis: am i a joke to you?
LMFAOoo
The privilege of kissing Medeas foot goes to heli. Aight guys, let's pack up our bags and go, we lost.
Me: I want a sub guy
*kassis looking all shy and sweet*
*dion looking like a dom/sadist from fifty shades of gray*
Me: I wish someone like Dion would sub-
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the twins in this manga and tbh it's just annoying at this point.
First of all, they're 5 year olds and the time they died they were teenagers. Just because they got a second life doesn't mean that they magically will have a mentality of a 20 year old. It doesn't work that way. They were born into kid bodies that function as kid bodies, weak and unable to properly control themselves.
Second of all, they've spent their second life being abused to the point that they had scars to prove. Imagine understanding things but all of a sudden you are in a body that can't do shit and is constantly being abused hopelessly. Like u understand everything which is why being unable to do anything makes it 10 times more scarier.
Third of all, being isolated and practically hated by everyone around you for years no matter what age you are causes trauma and distrust. Idgf about what yall think they should act like. I myself will always assume the worst in any situation regardless if I know everything or not. Because it's easier to not have any hope and to hate than it is to hope and be betrayed. This is especially true for these kids who never had anyone besides each other in their second life which might i remind you is in a foreign world that they've never experienced or had the chance to learn about.
So please, please stfu if you think that these kids should be more mature and talk things out before making assumptions. Because if you think for even a second that it's easy to talk to a stranger (who suddenly acts like your father after years of hearing nothing from him) then you're dead wrong. If you think that they'll be more optimistic and give them a chance after years of abuse then you're wrong. If you think that coming in to a new place and getting nice things is just suddenly gonna fix years of abuse and neglect, then I'm here to tell you to stop reading and go self reflect about how humans work.
On the brighter side, these kids Are mature, they're capable of standing up for themselves and protecting themselves without depending on others for help. That's how real abuse victims act, they don't suddenly go and ask for help.
Beautiful just beautiful ╮(￣▽￣)╭
U said wat was on my Mind ppl dont really understand them
Thank you (●'◡'●)ﾉ
I'm here to help ╮(￣▽￣)╭
THANK YOU, I m so tired of seeing people badmouth them. Chapters after chapters nothing changes in the comment section.. its disappointing really
i don't think everyone hate them it is just probably the feeling you get when you know something the main characters don't and its taking them to bloody long to realize it. it is quite a frustrating feeling but i don't me.an its right to take out our anger on the characters at least that is what i felt when reading the chapters before their rescue. i am not trying to speak for everyone but maybe there are other like me that felt that way. and i whole heartedly agree with your statement
No worries, this one was for everyone who wanted to say the same thing but couldn't properly convey it! <3
Yes, I understand the frustration as a reader. That is why I said 'misunderstanding' the kids and not 'hating' the kids.
Either way, being frustrated at a story due to misunderstandings and lack of communication is ridiculous. Good stories are meant to take time so that when everything finally unravels we will feel a sense of achievement. There's no point to the story if the twins just up and loved their father for no good reason.
If you just want to get to the point then this isn't for you
Omg yas!!! Literally speaking facts! It’s so hard to enjoy this when I see people being so hateful and rude. I absolutely love this webtoon and completely understand the twins point of view and how difficult it is to live. I’m really glad to see us true fans rising and fully being able to appreciate the work and effort going on.
It was a game changer when Dion came in. We all lost the instant we saw him.
LMAO
I remember when I used to say the exact same things as skylar and felt the same way about others as well. Similarly it wasn't until a friend kept insisting that she wanted to be my friend no matter how rude I was. To me who was going through a lot and deeply emotionally hurt, who also truly believed that I didnt need anyone, she taught me that even trash like me was really longing for someone to talk to. Anyway guys don't insist on someone being an asshole until you've actually tried to really be there for them (ofc we're not talking about abusive people).
This :)