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That’s okay? Unless you still have feelings for the both of them. I advise you check with your current bf he might be……..

its okay!! You're not cursed by the BLs!!!....... i think?

You were like the other woman in their relationship, the one everyone wants to fuck off so that the main couple can be together. I'm sorry for you

Must be a fever dream cuz that's hot asf!

I didn’t block you. Your comment is visible to me, but I will reply to you here saying the same thing I said earlier:
You keep saying I'm homophobic but can't point to a single homophobic thing I said. Let's define some terms since you love throwing that word around:
Homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
I don't dislike gay people. I dislike WOMEN fetishizing gay men. That's not homophobia, it's the opposite. I'm actually respecting gay men enough not to treat them as sexual objects.
Now let's talk about what YOU'RE doing:
Fetishization: to make someone or something the object of a sexual fetish; to have an excessive and irrational commitment to or obsession with something.
YOU literally said 'respect other people's fetishes' - so you ADMIT you're fetishizing gay men. That's my entire point. You just proved it yourself. Women consuming content made by women, for women, that sexualizes gay men and their relationships for entertainment = fetishization.
You're getting offended because I'm calling out the exact thing you admitted to doing. You want to fetishize gay men but not be called out for it. You want it both ways, to treat gay relationships as your sexual fantasy while claiming anyone who points it out is 'homophobic.'
If anything, reducing gay men to fantasy objects for your sexual gratification is closer to homophobia than anything I've said. You're not treating gay people as equals, you're treating them as fetish objects. The cognitive dissonance is actually wild.

At this point it’s what, THREE separate threads about me over one comment? I'm flattered honestly
One made a thread crying about being blocked. Another (probably an alt based on the empty profile) made a thread implying I have a problem with anal + support rape (lmao what). Now you made a thread because you think I blocked you.
And y'all claim I'm the one who can't handle criticism? Lmao.
You keep saying 'respect everyone's opinions' but you fujos made multiple threads attacking mine. You say 'don't generalize' while calling me homophobic with zero proof (I’ve noticed this pattern with fujos, they will call anyone who doesn’t like BL homophobic.). The hypocrisy is peak.
You admitted it's a fetish. You can't defend that so you're deflecting with 'homophobe' accusations. If I was actually wrong, you'd have scrolled past. But I clearly hit a nerve.

yo i have no idea whats going on but keep being you i love seeing weirdo fujos getting humbled

Thank u bro

And also. If you genuinely thought I was homophobic, you SHOULD call that out. The fact that you're okay with perceived homophobia but draw the line at me 'disrespecting' fujoshis tells me everything about your priorities.

so by your logic straight porny manhwa is what? fetishizing straight people? go away

Ur an icon

Straight people aren't a marginalized group. When straight women consume straight porn, they're not fetishizing an oppressed demographic, they're consuming content about their own sexuality.
When straight women consume gay male porn made by other straight women, they ARE fetishizing a marginalized group. That's the difference.
It's the same reason straight men fetishizing lesbians is creepy, they're reducing a marginalized group's sexuality to their personal fantasy.
Nice try with the false equivalence though.

Thank u

Do you know the gender and sexual orientation of all authors? What is fetishizing in your strange world? What if a lesbian or asexual or any kind of sexual and gender identity is writing the BL?

I love u standing on business really. They calling u homophobic for calling them out for fetishizing bl meanwhile the worst homphobia, lesphobia and transphobia I've seen were from fujoshis in my country. Some of them don't even support real life gay men and are hostile towards them.

Or reading it

The BL/yaoi industry is overwhelmingly dominated by straight women, that's not a secret, it's literally the demographic it was created for and by. Obviously there are exceptions, but we're talking about the pattern, not outliers.
A lesbian woman writing/reading yaoi about gay MEN is still a woman fetishizing men of a different sexual orientation. Being gay doesn't give you a free pass to fetishize a different marginalized group. That's like saying a gay man can't fetishize lesbians because he's also gay, that's not how it works.
Asexual people can still fetishize. Sexual orientation doesn't make you immune to treating other groups as sexual objects.
And again, if you're a gay MAN creating or consuming this content, that's different. It's about your own community. But women (regardless of their sexuality) dominating a genre about gay men and profiting off it is fetishizing and weird.

I lost iq just reading you.

No rebuttal? Just insults? That's how I know you can't actually defend your position. Thanks for playing!

You one of THOSE people... bye bye

Thank you. They act like reading yaoi makes them progressive allies while being hostile to actual gay people, lesbians, and trans folks.
I've seen the same thing too. Fujoshis will consume hours of yaoi content but then be weird and uncomfortable around actual gay men, or worse, expect them to perform their fantasies.

‘One of THOSE people' who calls out fetishization? Yeah, I am. And you're one of THOSE people who can't defend your behavior so you just leave when confronted with facts. Bye!

I do not see the point of unswering to something so stupid and narrow-minded. I'm asexual woman and I read any kind of manhwa with interesting plot, characters or relationships. And you what think only gay people can write about gay people? It so dumb.

What facts? It's stupidity.

Being asexual doesn't make you immune to fetishization. You're still a woman consuming content about gay men, made primarily by women, for women. Your sexual orientation doesn't change that dynamic.
And no, I didn't say only gay people can write about gay people. I said the BL/yaoi industry is dominated by women profiting off gay male sexuality, often in ways that include rape and assault, and that's fetishization… there is a difference between representation and exploitation.
If you read for 'plot and characters,' great , then you're probably not the target of my criticism. But the industry itself and the people calling het content 'disgusting' while treating gay relationships as fap material is who I'm talking about.
Calling my point 'stupid and narrow-minded' while refusing to engage with the actual argument just proves you can't refute it.

I made a response but it didn’t send, I just hope it doesn’t duplicate. Anyway.
Being asexual doesn't make you immune to fetishization. You're still a woman consuming content about gay men, made primarily by women, for women. Your sexual orientation doesn't change that dynamic.
And no, I didn't say only gay people can write about gay people. I said the BL/yaoi industry is dominated by women profiting off gay male sexuality, often in ways that include rape and assault, and that's fetishization. There's a difference between representation and exploitation.
If you read for 'plot and characters,' great - then you're probably not the target of my criticism. But the industry itself and the people calling het content 'disgusting' while treating gay relationships as their preferred fap material? That's who I'm talking about.
Calling my point 'stupid and narrow-minded' while refusing to engage with the actual argument just proves you can't refute it

BTW
Many critically acclaimed and popular gay films have been made by directors and writers who identify as straight, such as Brokeback Mountain, Moonlight, Carol, and Cabaret.

So what? They shouldn't have?

Comparing Brokeback Mountain and Moonlight to yaoi is hilarious. Those are, as you said, critically acclaimed films exploring the gay experience with nuance, often consulting gay people and treating the subject matter with respect. They're not made primarily for straight people's sexual gratification.
Yaoi is explicitly sexual content made by women, for women, to get off to. It's not respectful representation, it is fetishization. The genre is literally dominated by rape and assault tropes.
There's a massive difference between creating thoughtful art about marginalized experiences and creating porn that reduces those experiences to fantasy fodder. If you can't see that distinction, I don't know what to tell you.

Why is it weird? Is there a research that says women dominating the bl genre harms people irl? You keep saying you're not homophobic, okay you're not homo, but you're definitely something else along that type coz what's actually the problem with people liking bl? does it hurt anyone?
You keep saying you're in the right, you're "logical" and not "homophobic" but can you justify your disrespectful attitude that makes you act like a woman bl author unalive your ancestor or something.
All I was asking of you is respect other people yet here you are ranting, triggered when I called you "homo". I apologize if I hurt you by calling you homo, but can you please be respectful to other people? you should read all your remarks and tell us with a conscience that you didn't say anything wrong, and read my comments properly, you should have some reading comprehension is you if you wanna be a critic

‘Does it hurt anyone?', Yes. When an entire industry profits off reducing gay men to sexual objects, often depicting them being raped and assaulted for entertainment, that perpetuates harmful stereotypes and fetishization. Gay men have literally spoken out about feeling uncomfortable with fujoshi culture, but they get dismissed or told they're overreacting.
You don't need a research study to understand that treating a marginalized group as your personal porn category is dehumanizing. That's basic ethics.
'You're definitely something else along that type' - what type? Say it clearly. You keep dancing around calling me homophobic because you know you can't prove it. I've explicitly stated I support gay men and have no issue with gay relationships. My issue is with FETISHIZATION.
And you're lecturing me about respect when you literally said you're 'fine' with people being homophobic? Your priorities are backwards. I said it before and I will say it again: You're okay with perceived homophobia but draw the line at me calling out fetishizers? That tells me everything.
I've been disrespectful because people were disrespectful first, calling het content 'disgusting hetslop' and acting entitled. Don't start none, won't be none.

You do know that there are a lot of good written bl manga and manhwa with amaizing complex plots? Many expose homophobia, show the ugly side of societies who bully and persecute those who are different. Manga and manhwa is a kind of literature, why do you say it is not the same as movies where homosexual love is shown??

Also I bet you are in support of this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-12/police-in-china-arrest-female-writers-over-homosexual-novels/105403258

that's generalizing everyone. it's the same as saying "men often assault women and so all men are bad" not everyone is the same as everyone, you should be logical enough to understand that. Who even says het is disgusting, well maybe some twisted people say it, but not everyone, like how there's you who put everyone in the same basket.
All I'm asking for you is to be understanding of others, pushing your own opinion on others is really off putting.
I understand you hate fujoshi, okay well I guess that's it. But do you have to say mean things?

I literally said multiple times I have less issue with shounen ai and romance-focused BL. My problem is specifically with YAOI, the explicitly sexual content dominated by rape and assault that women create for sexual gratification.
Yes, there are well-written BL stories that explore homophobia and complex themes. Those aren't what I'm criticizing. I'm criticizing the mass-produced yaoi that reduces gay men to fetish objects and romanticizes their assault.
And no, I don't support censorship or arresting writers. That's authoritarian and wrong. But being against government persecution doesn't mean I can't criticize the content itself or call out fetishization. Those are two completely different things.
You can be against censorship AND against fetishization at the same time. Stop trying to paint me as supporting oppression just because I'm calling out problematic patterns in a genre.

what's wrong with being "fine" that you're homophobic? do you want mo to care? Like I can control you, that's your own feelings, you're free to feel, just don't use that hate on fujoshis to justify being like this

I literally quoted the comments calling het content 'disgusting hetslop' and saying they're 'heterophobic.' If you go back on this topic, you can see it. I'm not making it up or generalizing. I was responding to THOSE specific comments.
And no, it's not the same as 'all men are bad.' A more accurate comparison would be: if a specific industry dominated by men was fetishizing and profiting off women's sexuality in ways that included rape and assault, and I called that out, would you tell me to 'be understanding' and stop being mean?
I'm not 'pushing my opinion', I'm calling out fetishization, which I’ve stated multiple times at this point. I am pointing out harmful behavior.
'Do you have to say mean things?', where was this energy when people being entitled and hostile about women existing in stories? I matched their energy. If you want respectful discourse, it needs to go both ways.
And you STILL haven't addressed why you're 'fine' with homophobia but draw the line at me criticizing fujoshis.

oh, that's what you're saying. I get it now, okay we have mo problem, I thought you're against everything bl or against women who writes bl. Well, I get it. Those type of bl stories are downright disgusting, I can't even read those popular yaoi I don't get why that's so popular. But I do like toxic stories but I have a boundary, I hate those where mc continuously getting raped, that's just immoral and have no sense

'What's wrong with being fine with homophobia?' - EVERYTHING. If you genuinely believed I was homophobic, you should absolutely NOT be fine with that. Homophobia is harmful and should be called out. The fact that you’re okay with it but upset about me criticizing fujoshis is VERY STRANGE.
But here's the thing, I'm NOT homophobic. You just keep saying I am without any proof because you can't defend fetishization. You've called me homophobic probably 10+ times now and haven't pointed to a single homophobic thing I've said.
I don't hate gay people. I don't have a problem with gay relationships. I have a problem with WOMEN FETISHIZING GAY MEN. I've said this repeatedly. At this point you're either intentionally misrepresenting my argument or you genuinely can't read.
Either provide evidence of me being homophobic or stop making the accusation. You sound ridiculous.

I'm fine with homophobic people coz well what can I do about them? that's just pitiful people who have low IQ. About calling out fujoshi, I don't care about that also, I care about the bl stories and writers coz there's really good bl stories out there, it's unfair to the stories to be criticized and judged without being read

I appreciate you taking the time to actually understand what I was saying! Yeah, we're on the same page, my issue was never with all BL or women writing gay romance! It's specifically the yaoi that's full of rape and assault that reduces gay men to fetish objects.
I get that my initial comment was aggressive and probably wasn't clear about the distinction. But that's what I've been trying to say this whole time, there's a difference between respectful representation and fetishization. Glad we could clear that up!

Okay, I understand what you meant now about being 'fine' with homophobia, you meant you can't control how people feel. That makes more sense.
And I agree with you, there are good BL stories out there that deserve recognition. I'm not saying ALL BL is bad or shouldn't exist. My criticism was specifically aimed at the problematic yaoi content and the people in these comments who were being hostile about het content while treating gay relationships as fetish material.
I think we actually agree more than we disagree. Good BL stories that treat gay characters with respect? Those are nice. Mass-produced yaoi full of rape made for sexual gratification? That's what I have a problem with. Anyway, glad we cleared this up.

Again, there are bad bl, there are good bl, there are just ugly porn bl. bl has sex? yes it can have sex scenes explicit or not. It's a romantic genre, what did you expect?? There are a lot of books with homosexual romance containing elaborate science fiction, fantasy plots also. And *gasp* they are written by female authors from time to time. And readers are mostly women. Why? Well maybe because women like to read and write romance? What is your point? Is this also a fetishization?

Also BL is changing quite a lot, not only by women and for women anymore. Your point of view is quite outdated. If male gay author is writing sa porn it's ok in your world view I guess.

You're still not getting it. I've said MULTIPLE times now, my issue isn't with all BL. It's specifically with yaoi that's explicitly sexual and dominated by rape/assault content made by women for women's sexual gratification. That's fetishization.
Romance with gay characters? Fine. Complex plots with gay relationships? Fine. Women writing thoughtful stories about gay experiences? Fine.
Women creating and consuming explicitly sexual content where gay men are reduced to fetish objects and often depicted being assaulted? Not fine. That's fetishization.
The difference is intent and execution. Is the content respectfully exploring gay experiences and relationships, or is it reducing gay men to sexual objects for straight women's entertainment?
'Women like to read and write romance', yes, and they can do that without fetishizing marginalized groups. Write het romance, write lesbian romance, write gay romance. But straight women dominating a genre about gay male sexuality that's full of assault? That's the problem.
How many times do I need to make this distinction before you actually address it instead of acting like I hate all BL?

As I said before, BL is still overwhelmingly dominated by women, yes there are more diverse creators now, but let's not pretend the industry has completely shifted. The majority is still made by women for women.
And no, I never said gay men writing SA porn is 'okay.' What I said is gay men creating content about their OWN community is fundamentally different from women profiting off another demographic's sexuality. One is representation (even if problematic), the other is fetishization.
But nice try putting words in my mouth. A gay man writing about gay experiences, even dark ones, is still someone from that community. A straight woman writing rape fantasies about gay men for other straight women to consume sexually is completely different. Stop trying to find gotchas and actually engage with what I’m saying.

Ok, so now you are telling that you are against sa porn. I agree, I aslo against sa depicted as something sexy in any media. But it's not what you have written earlier.
"When straight women consume gay male porn made by other straight women, they ARE fetishizing a marginalized group." What is porn for you? What if there are compeling romantic plot and sex scenes. Is it porn?

Can't leave any comments anymore...
"When straight women consume gay male porn made by other straight women, they ARE fetishizing a marginalized group." Your words. No distinction between good bl bad bl, romantic bl with sex scenes.

no one gives a fuck if ur an asexual women, we don’t need ur background. She was calling out ppl who fetishizes gay people and majority of time it’s women , that’s a fact u can’t deny. You do not need to write abt gay ppl while fetishizing them and making weird plots. And you do not need to mention bl in every straight story, it gets to a point. That’s all she was talking abt n ppl including u created a whole fuss, u are triggered its not abt bl like always, it gets to a point. I’ll put it in a baby words u understand. Old men making sexual content abt underage girls . It’s weird right? That’s the whole point . If it’s a wholesome old man treating an underage like his own daughter without making it weird, there’s no problem. Put that logic into what she’s saying and use ur reading comprehension skills. Please and thank you

No, her words 'When straight women consume gay male porn made by other straight women, they ARE fetishizing a marginalized group.' That is why I stated my sexuality. You need to learn to read.

Did you really just compare bl and child porn? wtf is wrong with you.

Omg u are so sad.. I feel so bad for u.. I’m saying the whole concept of fetish is similar u need to look at the big picture holy shit

Ya again she lowkey never asked for ur sexuality.. so idk man, that sentence sure did hurt u huh. Truth hurts

What truth? It's just a stupid opinion on the internet. I've tied to show her why it's stupid, but hey she just likes judging people i guess.

similar to what? to being a pedo? you have compaired reading bl with being a pedo.

Hi tarspoon let me explain. Individuals can often become aware of how their identity group is perceived and may feel pressured to either reject or rebrand that label. This often leads people to “police” behaviors among peers to transform the negative image imposed on them. This act of regulating what is seen as right or wrong within identity groups shapes how individuals construct their sense of “self.”
Many study participants brought up the idea of fetishism when reflecting on their experiences in the BL fandom and their identities as consumers of BL media. The concept of fetishism appeared frequently enough that it required deeper discussion. Being accused of being a fetishist was seen as a form of discursive constraint something people pushed back against both individually and collectively, often as an act of activism for BL media consumers. it’s helpful to explore Marx’s concept of fetishism of commodities alongside sexual fetishism to understand how power, desire, and alienation intertwine.
Lewin and Morris (1977) explain that Marx’s theory of commodity fetishism highlights how, under capitalism, material goods take on mysterious power. People begin to see commodities as having “inherent properties” that exist independently of the labor that produced them (Lewin and Morris 1977:173). This alienates workers from their products they no longer connect their work to what they create but only to what can be bought and sold. The capitalist system thus values profit over people.
In such a fetishistic world, capitalists embody capital, workers embody labor-power, and everything revolves around exchange rather than human connection. Marx describes this as a “topsy-turvy world of appearance,” where not the people, but the commodities themselves, seem to possess the power (Lewin and Morris 1977:175). In this sense, fetishism becomes a kind of social blindness people worship the product instead of understanding the process that produced it.
This alienation mirrors how individuals can fetishize human identities treating them as objects of fascination, not people. As Donham (2018:29) wrote, “[People] produce an ever-expanding array of wealth, but ironically, they experience the very things they create as having power over them.” Likewise, those who fetishize others, especially marginalized groups, often assign exaggerated value or desire to traits while ignoring the humanity behind them.
The Oxford Languages dictionary defines fetishize as “to make something the object of a sexual fetish; to have an excessive or irrational commitment or obsession with something.” Sexual fetishism is not just about attraction it’s about objectification, when a person or identity becomes valued only through the lens of desire or fantasy.
Engmann (2012) discusses this in the context of colonial photography in Under Imperial Eyes, Black Bodies, Buttocks, and Breasts, explaining how Europeans fetishized and exoticized Black women’s bodies turning them into objects of consumption rather than human beings. This dynamic still applies when marginalized identities, such as gay men, are depicted primarily for the pleasure of audiences outside that group.
When straight women consume or create gay male content for entertainment, especially when the focus is on sexualization rather than representation, it risks echoing this same dynamic. The line between appreciation and fetishization is crossed when the humanity, struggle, or authenticity of the group is erased in favor of fantasy.
Now, Tarspoon, since you seem eager to twist words, let’s clear this up with both logic and theory. No one said all BL is porn, or that women can’t enjoy stories about gay characters. What was said and what you keep dodging is that fetishizing marginalized identities, especially by people outside those identities, is a harmful pattern that’s been historically tied to power, alienation, and objectification (Lewin and Morris 1977; Donham 2018; Engmann 2012).
You’re clinging to your hurt feelings instead of engaging with the argument. The point isn’t that “reading BL = being a predator.” The point is that fetishizing is like what Marx called commodity fetishism turning people (or identities) into consumable products stripped of their real context. When straight creators sexualize gay men for profit or fantasy, it’s not “representation.” It’s exploitation masked as romance.
And if you had a vast open mind you would realize my comparison wasn’t “calling BL child porn.” It was a logical analogy showing how fetishism, whether of minors or marginalized groups, comes from the same root: objectifying someone for fantasy without considering the harm or humanity behind it. That’s not an accusation. That’s a sociological fact supported by centuries of theory.
People who aren’t gay shouldn’t fetishize gay relationships, just like no one should fetishize any marginalized group. Admiring love stories is fine but turning someone’s identity into a sexual aesthetic is dehumanizing. It’s not “judging people”; it’s demanding respect. There’s a difference between representation and consumption and pretending not to know the difference just proves the point I made.

The BL and yaoi industry does that exact thing turning gay men and their relationships into commodities to be enjoyed by a majority audience of women who aren’t part of that community. It’s not “representation,” it’s the eroticization of someone else’s identity for profit.
And before you twist that again yes, women can create art about men, and yes, BL can have meaningful stories. But the problem isn’t women writing romance. It’s the overwhelming pattern of straight women mass-producing pornographic stories that center gay male rape and call it “romance.” That’s not empowerment, that’s exploitation with better lighting. You’re treating the existence of a few thoughtful works as if they erase the entire structure of fetishized consumption around them. That’s like saying Nike can’t be exploitative because one shoe ad showed a happy worker. It’s willful blindness.
You asked if “there’s research that says it harms anyone.” You don’t need a peer-reviewed paper to see how gay men themselves have spoken about discomfort with fujoshi culture being treated like mascots, walking fantasies, or decorative queers instead of people. That’s harm. When your entertainment relies on people’s marginalization to turn you on, you are participating in a system of fetishism, not allyship. You might not want to admit it, but that’s the uncomfortable truth.
And comparing Brokeback Mountain or Moonlight to yaoi is laughable. Those films were crafted with respect, consultation, and a desire to tell stories about love and repression, not to feed someone’s fantasy. Yaoi is built on voyeurism the consumption of intimacy that doesn’t belong to you, stylized into a safe spectacle for women to enjoy without confronting real queer experience. It’s literally the textbook definition of fetishization: assigning exaggerated emotional or sexual fascination to something precisely because it’s distant, forbidden, or “other.”
Your “what if a lesbian or asexual person writes it?” argument doesn’t work either. Identity doesn’t erase power dynamics. A lesbian writing rape fantasy about gay men isn’t immune to fetishization just because she’s queer. It’s still using someone else’s orientation as material. Being marginalized doesn’t give you moral immunity from reproducing other hierarchies. Ask any feminist scholar , oppression isn’t a free pass to exploit someone else’s image.
You said BL is “changing.” Sure, it is , slowly. But pretending that the industry’s roots in straight female consumption have vanished overnight is naïve. You don’t get to erase decades of patterns because a few queer authors now exist in the genre. That’s like saying Hollywood stopped being sexist because Barbie came out. Change isn’t erasure.
And the “you’re generalizing” defense is tired. Pointing out structural patterns isn’t the same as saying everyone is guilty. I’ve literally said multiple times: thoughtful BL that treats gay relationships with depth isn’t the problem. The fetishistic, assault-heavy, mass-produced yaoi is. If that distinction keeps flying over your head, it’s because you don’t want to engage you just want to defend your comfort zone.
Also, stop acting like calling out fetishization is “hate.” It’s not hate, it’s criticism. The same way feminists critique the male gaze, I’m critiquing the female gaze when it commodifies gay men. Both can objectify. Both can harm. You don’t get moral exemption just because your gaze feels “softer.”
And let’s be real your “what’s wrong with being fine with homophobia” comment told me everything. You claim to care about respect, but your line of empathy stops where your fetish begins. You’re not defending queer people; you’re defending your ability to consume them without guilt.
So yeah, I’ll keep calling it what it is: fetishization. You can keep pretending it’s harmless “romance” if that helps you sleep at night, but at least own the contradiction. Because the cognitive dissonance of shouting “representation!” while jerking off to someone else’s oppression is exactly what Marx would’ve called fetishism the worship of a fantasy that hides the truth of the labor and pain behind it.
You can keep calling me anything all you want, but the irony is that I’m the only one here actually looking beyond the fantasy.

Also there is something called research, it’s nice to try out some new hobbies! Hope this helps.

I'm against SA being romanticized and used for sexual gratification, yes. That's been consistent throughout.
When I say 'porn,' I'm talking about content where the primary purpose is sexual arousal rather than storytelling. Yaoi as a genre is explicitly sexual , that's the distinction from shounen ai (romance-focused BL).
Can something have both a compelling plot AND sex scenes? Sure. But when the sex is the main draw and it's made by women for women to consume gay male sexuality, that's fetishization, especially when it's dominated by non-consensual content.
Again. Is the story exploring gay relationships and experiences respectfully with sex as part of that, or is it reducing gay men to sexual objects for entertainment…. Most yaoi falls into the latter category. They make it about providing sexual content featuring gay men for straight women.

‘Just a stupid opinion', funny how you've been arguing with me for hours if it's so stupid. And you didn't 'show me why it's stupid,' you kept missing my point, making false equivalences, and putting words in my mouth.
I'm not judging people for reading romance. I'm judging people for fetishizing marginalized groups and treating gay men as sexual objects. If you can't see the difference at this point, that's on you.

Lol fujoshis calling you homophobic is hilarious considering some of them actually are homophobic. Honestly I read yaoi and write mlm (romance not porn though), but even I can agree that 99% of the time the stories are fetish content that I have to stop reading because it's not actually queer media. It's straight porn but the girl is a cis man.
What you said is homophobic and I'm like. A nervous lesbian who is hyperaware of people's lowkey homophobia.

*WHAT YOU SAID IS NOT HOMOPHOBIC jesus me

Fellow ace friend you need to get on webtoon and read actually good gay romance. Yaoi is very different from queer media with gay men protagonists. Yaoi men aren't actually gay, they 99% of the time follow a straight couple dynamic. I swear once you start reading good queer media it's hard to go back to yaoi.
Here's some rec :
- Heir's game (violent but great and written by a non-female writer, on webtoon)
- Even NPC can save the world (it's on mangago, written by a queer man)
- Matchmaker (a queer slice of life, main characters are a gay man and a lesbian)
- Ranked Competitive Breast Growth (a wild card as it's only trans wlw but it's like my favorite shit ever)

Last two aren't on webtoon, just Google them.

*NPCs Can Save the World Too!

Thank you. I was honestly baffled.

I would say something but it would be spoiler ..

I'm reading the novel, I want the spoiler

The OG Kim Giryeo is actually really powerful and before the alien took over Kim giryeo body, he was injured after fighting two s-rank (⌒▽⌒)

WHAT?!? no freakin way. But Alien's theory is that Og kiryeo is really an F rank but has an ability to level up his rank only for a few points over time... I'm confused, and in the backstory of og kiryeo, he has no time to be doing that, and he practically died intentionally. I think you're kidding me

It's that after fighting two S-rank, his body was badly injured that's why he's considered an F-rank when in reality he's very very powerful, his theory didn't fail it's just he came at the wrong time, the alien is an unreliable narrator that's why it's confusing (￣∇￣")

about what chapter is that? I'm currently in hap 243

wtf are you on, that did not happen lol. are you confusing misunderstandings from the novel or just deliberately fucking with people?

this person is just spreading misinformation lol. og giryeo died of starvation caused by crippling depression, that's it. he could have become an s-rank, if he had a support system, but he died as an f rank. I'm not even sure what scenes can cause such misunderstandings if the person above is just confused by random spoilers. like at no point do characters engage in rumors that kim giryeo is injured bc of 2 s-ranks. even the top delulu girly (jeong haseong) was convinced that mc's health problems were bc he was exploited by the government lol. furthermore, it's just NOT that type of the novel where mc is truly unreliable narrator with 180° plot twists. it's pretty straightforward and consistent, every plot twist (like Kim giryeo body, kang changho, main villain) could be easily guessed and be traced to the beginning.

yes, I read that part that's why I'm so confused at what they're saying. Like, that another bg is contradicting af. What I read is totally diff, anyways thanks for clearing that up

Me too! I love it when they kinda feel betrayed as well?? Or kinda think the other one doesn’t like them…hurts my heart but I like it, if that makes sense

Real! Real!

Ahhh, my peeps are here lol I am seriously all for this! I even have the novel but have not read it. I even follow the raws. Yep, I got it baaad!
I read my favorite chapters on a weekly basis lol I am so obsessed with this story, it’s not healthy. I am so addicted to it
I love Valery’s crazy obsession, I love Asil’s helpless retaliation, I love their crazy “dance” with each other and while everyone is shouting this is so fucked up, I have my pompoms cheering like a lunatic for them to be together in the end because they need to be together

Wait a damn minute, there’s a novel???

Yes my dear, here you go
https://readhive.org/series/107621/23.2/

Omg thank u!!!

We so cooked cause we talk like this and I think most ppl agree with this statement (Im obligatorally included) but we crazy freaky fr fr KKKKK