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What if...the true ending is having Nagisa...die/commiting suicide/die of illness (maybe cuz of AIDS by those bastards) like this would only be the one and only true salvation for him...like death is the only way he can fully escape this adult's hellish paradise. I mean place...I'd actually like to read a manga with such setting. Not only due to SA or R*PE maybe something else also like depression or bullied or anything that requires you to actually sit and have a nice friendly and peaceful talk with a psychiatrist)

It's like having the mc who's in immense pain. And is suffering due to his current state and experiences or past. And at the end of the story. They decided to end their live or they passed away due to illness or got in an accident...I don't know. Maybe cuz I write short unfinished shounen-ai stories where the mc dies in the end

I feel like this type of ending is the only one suitable for such a tragic manga. Like even if you try to make the ending somehow bittersweet or there's a redemption and healing arc. Nothing will be able to amount to the sufferings he went through. The damage has been done guise. Like nothing they do can make me forget or forgive what ever happened to Nagisa... He's surrounded by pedos and creeps and worse than a monster in human skin...

Thank you for wasting your time reading this. I really appreciate it :D

To be honest, I've got a feeling that this won't end merrily for Nagisa that's why I'm all the more strongly hoping that tragedy won't be the actual end game.

My hunch is that he is gonna commit a double suicide with the pedo guy since somehow they share kinda similar experiences, except that he's a victim and the pedo is a perpetrator. Knowing that they are both plagued by their history of being groomed and grooming, maybe they'll see suicide as the only way out. Also the pedo guy already has suicidal tendencies,
who knows if it might give Nagisa the idea to do it with him.

But one of my biggest fear is that Nagisa might end up murdered by one of those weird ass adults (pedo guy not an exemption) since they are obviously unhinged. Idk what's worse honestly.

There’s definitely a difference haha XD I’d say for a first time experience raw def will hurt a little more than using condoms (in my experience). Condoms just feel like the same sensation when ya wear a rubber glove (to me). At some point you get use to it tho if it’s frequent and you wouldn’t even be able to tell lol.

Oh I see, I see, thanks for sharing your experience! To be honest, I kinda assumed using a condom will hurt more because it looks so plasticky. Was imagining it'll stick to the inner tissues of the vag/butt and stretching it when there's movement going on, and the thought scares me lmao.

Most condoms also come pre-lubed, so it's not dry at all for the person on the receiving end and it helps with the movement.

Ah, that makes sense! And even if they weren't prelubed, ppl who are using it probably have lube prepared cause who would use an unlubed condom. That'd definitely hurt.

BRO SAME.

Yes, I love how bov handles Takas character, this manga just requires ppl to be patient since things are developped slowly and carefully and everything isn't explained in one go but bit by bit with tiny hints. I've seen so many impatient people who have read few too many of those mangas that do just brush off the SA and r*pe that assume that Taka will be the same as those(not trying to excuse the SA/r'pe Taka did). But here the SA isn't just some plot shortcut to get them together but actually it's in the heart of the story and it's never really just brushed away. Is it handled perfectly? no, I don't think there even is a perfect way to handle such a sensitive subject. Is it handled badly? Hell nah. The fact how Yu is uncomfortable around Taka is well portrayed and everyone is emphatetic toward Yu, like even far into the story where Yu is lowkey toxic we are on his side as we should be. Taka is also portrayed as vile and gross in the beginning so that no one would feel sorry for him at all, he is the villain there that everyone hates. Only after Yu is starting to forgive, us viewers start to forgive as well.

I cannot really blame some readers for skipping this manga since for so long, the classic rapey love interest who totally gets away with it has been a prevalent trope in so many bl stories. Also, the SA scenes in the manga might be triggers for some readers who experienced SA. So, I understand why they don't want or don't have the patience to stick with this story.

But I do agree with what you've said that the author did not handle this manga poorly. They are probably one of the few who are trying to explore SA tropes in bl in a more serious kind of way (and also have the love interest acknowledge his crimes and ask for penance, the bar is low but at least we got an important crumb of character dev).

And it's so true that handling fictional stories with sensitive topics such as rape is such a slippery slope. In this mangas case, the mcs quick acceptance the love interest's apology made me raise a brow. It's good though that the author plagued the love interest with his own self-reflection of his crimes and disturbing sexual inclinations so we know he isn't simply getting away with what he's done and it has a big negative effect on his relationships.

Yea, I understand too that ppl might find SA and r*pe triggering or aren't in a place where they feel comfortable reading such stuff and that wasn't what I was talking about there. Like it's 100% valid to drop manga with subjects that you find triggering or damaging to you, I think it's the healthy thing to do.

I was talking more about those people who automatically assume that this manga is like all the others with similar subjects and don't give it a chanse. Or get uncomfortable of how vile Taka is in the beginning and/or how Yu doesn't react in a way they'd like him to. hmm.. Now that I think about it more it's not that people aren't allowed to drop it, it's more like the moral highground they think they're taking by dropping this and loudly denouncing people who actually have read this.

I think Yu being able to be close to Taka regardless of the horrible crap Taka did fits Yus character. Yu is quite naive, kind and very simpleminded. If Yu doesn't like something he doesn't think about it and I think that allowed him to brush aside all the bad things Taka did so fast.

Honestly tho ppl complain about this manga but it’s not even close to the doujinshis they made. They used to make shotacon doujinshi which isn’t new but like…they heavily detailed the grooming part chapter by chapter and it was so fucked up I literally cannot erase it from my mind. I was physically ill reading it. All the doujins make me so sad when they’re written as just porn like I feel sad for all the ukes and what they have to endure I can’t even read it normally. I was actually surprised that this manga is so….normal? I thought it would be more of the same. So I’m not complaining.

yea sounds gross (shota tag is instant nope for me) D: I'm happy this was 1st Bovs manga I came across and read (I have later on read the avant garde as well, but HOBAKG is definitely much better made story).

Spoilers ahead I'll be telling them chapters what happens and when related to this question.
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SA and r*pe stops in chapter 30 but in ch 24 Takas mindset on Yu starts to shift so there's some "affection?*" (*idk, like ...a human decency with the way he acts)
But when you read all the chapters before it has a better affect so I really recommend reading all instead of skipping.

Thank you! I think I'll be skipping the SA chaps first. I'll read it in the future once I'm in a good headspace.