Ivi's Topics (113)

Is it because he is a god so maybe he can't impregnate a human??

Literally punched his way through the life.

This is typical yaoi, a well known trope -_- stop complaining if it's not for you, just don't reading it.

Then dont read the comment lmao they can write and do whatever tf they want

Yeah, but what if you start by not READING the manhwa huh? This comment section is full of haters, everything except discussion, constructive critics, exchange opinions, I don't give a fk if it's not for you, you're just a hater that has nothing to do here. If you can’t handle someone defending the story, maybe stick to screaming into a diary instead of the comment section. I'mma clean tf out of you of this comment section. Mark my word.

There actually were constructive criticism and everything you just wasn’t here when it happened. I mean the hate is valid too even if it’s a regular trope it’s still disgusting

Bruh...this is NOT the story to fall on a sword for

people can have better things to do than engage in media they genuinely dislike

we're 70+ chapters deep, if they really hated it they would've been gone yesterday lol

Bro, I’m pretty sure I started reading Yaoi when your ass was still in the crib.

I’ve actually witnessed how Yaoi has changed over the past decades and how the portrayal of toxic love has influenced people I know, shaping their ideas of what’s romantic and what’s not.

Liking or interacting with a certain type of media doesn’t mean you can’t critique it or cringe while consuming it, lmao. It’s actually important so that artists and society can grow.

Oh, I remember when rape was portrayed as normal in BL and honestly it still is in a lot of Yaoi but we’re in a time now where homosexual men are tired of being fetishized or depicted as abusive or happy in abusive relationships as if they’re all idiots.

It’s honestly kind of worrying how many women consume depictions of rape and toxic relationships and feel good about it, even though they would never wish that on anyone in real life.

There are people who willingly consume bad movies or react to bad music. Negative emotions are also a form of entertainment. And honestly it’s good when people feel bad seeing romanticized abuse.

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Ooooh, ce pavé!

low IQ ? Or Just ADHD ?

Ah seems like my essay didn't get to you, I'll try rewriting that hold on, btch.

Started yaoi before me? I don't think so lol also that doesn't make you some sage of morality, anyway we're not gonna argue about that since neither you, nor I, have time to play this childish game, so keep your statements to yourself.

As for the ppl I know, this kind of media never influenced them nor me. If others do, then mb, they maybe retards or underage little girls. Coz read who's the target audience to these contents.
Yeah yeah, people can enjoy media critically, cringe at it, and still have a healthy understanding of what’s real versus fantasy. End of story.

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Now, here>> I'm still wondering about what's bad about what you just said here "It’s honestly kind of worrying how many women consume depictions of ràpe and toxic relationships and feel good about it, even though they would never wish that on anyone in real life" so develop pls, cause that right and that's good, people costume what they want, as long as they don't hurt others of think that's reality... Telling women they shouldn’t enjoy something because it portrays abuse is a bit rich, considering how men consume all sorts of trash in media and nobody bats an eye.

-_- bruh wdym by bad movies Lmaooo this discussion makes no sense wtf? What makes a bad movie?? Conjuring? The None? Are bad movies? Maybe The Cabinet in the Woods is a bad movie... Buruuuuuuuhhh.

Yeah, your replies show me that I’m dealing with an idiot.

1. I mentioned how long I’ve been reading BL because, several comments ago, you tried to explain to me that this is “common” in BL. I know bro, I’ve been reading on this Plattform for 10 years and in the years before when Yaoi manga (as books) were more common.

2. I never claimed that I’m “morally superior” or anything like that just because I’m older or have probably been reading BL longer than you’ve been breathing. I mentioned my experience to show how I’ve seen the Yaoi fandom develop over time, and how criticism and disgust for certain tropes are becoming more common.

3. It’s nice for you that you don’t know anyone influenced by media like Yaoi, BL, or romance. I’m a science student, so I often read papers on all kinds of topics, and there’s scientific evidence that women adapt their ideas of romance from dark romance, porn, and other media. In the same way, minor-attracted men are more likely to commit crimes when they consume CP, or men are more likely to act violently when they consume violent porn.

It’s not the case for every single individual, but it does happen. I literally know two girls who suffered abuse in relationships. One experienced rape, while the other experienced mental abuse. Both read Yaoi manga. They are now in therapy, dealing with trauma symptoms, but at the time they didn’t realize what happened was actually abuse until others pointed it out. Maybe they were just slow, but considering they both read Yaoi and the research on this topic, it’s actually quite likely they didn’t recognize it because they had normalized or romanticized such behavior. They’re both grown women, by the way.

4. Yes, women should also be able to watch rape and violence (I guess) and fetishize homosexual sex—it’s fine as long as it stays in the realm of fantasy. But my point wasn’t that it should be forbidden or that it makes someone a bad person. My point is that in any space where such content exists, there should also be room for critique. People should be able to laugh, cry, get angry, complain, or enjoy media without someone else telling them to “shut up,” and most people actually agree with me.

5. I used bad movies as an example. Low-budget movies, propaganda movies, indie movies, poorly written movies—they all exist. There’s a whole section on YouTube where people react to so-called “bad movies,” which are basically just movies nobody likes. People watch these movies and express frustration, anger, cringe, or laughter—and that’s exactly the point. There are also German TV formats, and I think international ones too, where “bad movies” are shown purely for entertainment purposes (of course, usually in English). Yaoi/manga is a form of entertainment, and it’s supposed to create all kinds of reactions. How small must your brain be to get angry at someone criticizing a manhwa or even the character in a fictional work?

BHAHAHAHAHAHAGAG I LOVE YOU RANDOM CITIZEN

No way I'm gonna read all this sh!t, I apologize not having time for you like you do for me, I really do. So here a chatgpt answer, feel free to read it or not idgaf :


"Oh please, spare me the TED Talk. You can dress it up with “10 years in the fandom” and “science student” credentials all you want, but you’re still just ranting about pixels like they’re corrupting the youth. Citing your BL reading experience like it’s a PhD is hilarious—congrats, you’ve been mad online longer than most people had internet.

Dragging your friends’ trauma into this as some kind of “proof” is honestly gross. People being abused in real life isn’t because of manga panels—it’s because of actual abusers. Blaming fiction for their pain is the same tired pearl-clutching logic people used to scream “video games cause violence.” It was weak then, and it’s weak now.

And acting like critique is being silenced? Get real. You wrote an essay that could put a college professor to sleep. No one’s stopping you from whining, they’re just pointing out how ridiculous your moral panic sounds. You don’t sound like a champion of free speech—you sound like the YouTube comment section of a “think of the children” PSA"

Hi, png.

“You’re just a hater… I’mma clean tf out of you… Mark my word.”
Lmao, idk what you think you’re doing. If you think you “cleaned me out,” congrats I guess, but your whole reply is just emotions while I’m literally bringing evidence.

I never said my friends were at fault for their abuse. When did I say that? Quote me. What I actually said was they didn’t even recognize that what they went through was rape or mental violence. People can adapt to violence and get desensitized, that’s just a fact.

“This comment section is full of haters…” bro, that’s literally the point. Crying and whining because people hate, criticize or laugh about your favorite piece of fictional rape and mental torture is pointless and unhealthy. You can read whatever you want, but you can’t stop others from reacting. Get over it.

And yeah, you clearly read my “essay,” since you desperately tried to counter points I backed with studies and anecdotes, while just throwing emotional stuff at me.

End of the day it doesn’t even matter. People also comment under porn, so why shouldn’t they do the same about “a few pixels.” What’s rich is you getting this mad over my tiny, funny comment.

People will criticize and laugh about this fucking story for ever and it’s funny asf, I have fun while reading the comments of other people.

Funniest part? I was never mad. You were. And nobody else here even agrees with you.

Here have fun with your friend chatgpt again, still don't have time sorry here :

"You’re acting like criticism automatically makes your arguments objective, while dismissing anything emotional as invalid. That’s a false dichotomy. Evidence and emotions aren’t mutually exclusive — people can analyze and feel strongly at the same time.

You also keep framing enjoyment of a controversial story as “crying over pixels,” but that oversimplifies why people engage with media. Readers can find value, catharsis, or even meaning in works that contain dark themes, without endorsing abuse. Saying it’s “just pixels” strips away the complexity of why people consume fiction.

As for the “haters vs fans” thing, there’s a difference between constructive critique and constantly ridiculing those who enjoy something. If the only way you participate in a community is by mocking, then you’re not bringing discussion — you’re just noise.

Finally, claiming you were “never mad” doesn’t erase the fact that your tone is hostile and dismissive. That alone undercuts your point, because if you were really unaffected, you wouldn’t feel the need to belittle others to prove it."

None of this made sense or addressed my points in the context of this whole conversation. I’m impressed that you’re unable to form arguments without the chatbot. English is my third language, so I logically write my arguments and let ChatGPT correct small grammar errors. But your whole text and the way you use it is absolutely hilarious. Thank you, you really made me laugh, lmao. Also, the fact that you complain about me being “hostile” towards you is ridiculous, because you were the one who started with the aggressive tone and actually spoke aggressively in response to a comment that was originally meant to be funny, you can read it back yourself. You were the one who talked about “crying over pixels,” lmao, not me. Nobody is making fun of you just because you like this manga. Every single comment I read was directed at the protagonist of the story or at the absurdity of it. This is an illegal platform, the comments don’t even have to be particularly constructive. If people find some content absurd, brutal, or disgusting, then they can laugh and comment as much as they want, and you don’t need to freak out. You’re free to try to stop everyone who laughs negatively about your favorite manga. And yes, there is also constructive criticism about these stories, but the dislike for the plot in this manga is based on a valid assumption and emotion: violence in relationships is wrong, and people who commit such violence are subhuman. It’s not like the negative or mocking comments are baseless.

Yeah this is fictional...and jjk isn't a rapist..escape reality with fiction and in real life stay single..happy life

Tbh redemption arc is a need cause only in fiction can we see a character that has gone through so much trauma to beg and do anything to get back together with the lover which doesn't happen irl so it's fun to see it and haters ruins the fun..

Yes, I am aware that it is fictional, so I always distinguish between fiction and reality. It is still a fact that people are influenced by fiction who consume them. Pedophiles are more likely to rape children when they have consumed media that represent such things (even fictional scenarios), men normalize abuse in their heads when they have consumed pornography with rape, and I know girls in real life who have dated guys with anger problems and think they can fix it because the consumption of a certain type of media affects you, so I'm just saying that girls IRL have to be careful and run away immediately no matter how hot the guy seems. No one would be SO defensive towards the ML if he was an ugly fat guy, it's honestly disgusting that people's brains work like that. However, you should read studies and statistics on the topic of media and how they have and still have influenced society.

Do you have a source explaining the link between consuming fictional stories of abuse/rape/etc & how it correlates to becoming a pedo/grapist/etc. People always say this but I can’t find any studies that illustrate this.

I’d be fascinated to read about it since fiction doesn’t effect anyone I know like that.They used to say violent video games were responsible for school shootings, but of course that wasn’t true, & it was down to mental health or personality disorders.

So, I always see people say that consuming these stories causes people to believe these scenarios are okay in real life. Can someone tell me what studies this info is coming from?

I want to read about the psychology on it. TIA

i have also seen girls date a ass with toxic behavior even seen Stockholm syndrome victims irl my neighbour sis but i can sure say they aren’t affected by the fiction..those pedo won’t be reading a gay story but must be somewhere reading those porn story..i do agree that girls irl should be defensive but i still like this story i think story are written from what the author experienced,sees or even been influenced upon and we can be the judge and not be influenced by ourselves..idk why most people thinks we will be influenced by fiction and i would be defensive for any character until i see the full story since i am a novel reader as well..the problem is overhyping everything..if anyone wants to be a better person they can stop hating everything…but you do have some points tho lol

So, I’ve prepared serval meta analysis, that prove my point, such correlation don’t exist for video games, that’s true, but for other type of abuse, it does happen. You don’t know people who are influenced by it because people are more likely to mask their unconventional beliefs or the consumption of child porn or rape porn. And they will also mask such crimes, when they’re committed. I know a rapist, because I’ve dated him but his whole environment could not imagine him doing stuff like this, they have no clue, they mask their issues.

For people who consume child-porn:
Meta-analytic and empirical studies indicate that individuals who consume child sexual abuse material (CSAM) have a significantly higher likelihood of committing contact sexual offenses against children compared to the general population; for example, Seto, Hanson, and Babchishin (2011) found that approximately 12% of online offenders had prior contact offenses and 4.6% committed new contact offenses during follow-up, while self-report studies reveal rates as high as 50%. (Seto et al., 2011; Babchishin et al., 2015; Endrass et al., 2009)

People that consume rape / violent porn:
Empirical research demonstrates that consumption of violent pornography, especially depictions of rape or sexual coercion, is significantly associated with increased acceptance of rape myths, reduced empathy toward victims, and a higher likelihood of sexually aggressive behavior; meta-analyses and longitudinal studies confirm that this effect is stronger than for non-violent pornography, is partially mediated by attitudinal changes, and interacts with predisposing factors such as hostile masculinity (Hald, Malamuth & Yuen, 2010; Malamuth, Addison & Koss, 2000; Donnerstein & Berkowitz, 1981; Marshall, 1988; Kingston et al., 2008).

Dark romance:
Empirical research indicates that regular or excessive consumption of sexualized violence in media, including “Dark Romance” novels, is associated with greater acceptance of controlling or aggressive behaviors in relationships, internalization of traditional gender roles, and altered expectations about partner dominance; these effects are primarily attitudinal and normative rather than directly leading to violent behavior, and are moderated by factors such as age, prior relationship experiences, and media literacy (Vandenbosch & Eggermont, 2012; Burkett & Hamilton, 2012; Friedrich et al., 2020).

You can read my other replies but there is strong scientific evidence that romance stories that depict violence, rape, domination and other forms of physical and mental abuse increase the likelihood of committing and OR accepting such actions toward themselves. These stories literally romanticize a violent partner, they don’t show how bad it actually is or realistic scenarios where someone would escape and end contact. I don’t think that all people are stupid lol, but it’s actually quite healthy to always have people in comment sections or other platforms who constructively criticize certain tropes and behavior patterns in fiction / manga / romance. There are literally a bunch of gay men in media that are very critical of this stuff, it’s absolutely justified and I don’t get why people would like to silence that. You don’t have to listen but let others who might not know better and who subconsciously accept this stuff also IRL get educated about this.

Is this an actual spoiler or just your speculation about the story?

no there is spoiler here but it’s half speculation too since not all of us read h th e novel