
Take off your damn clothes, senpai. It just looks ridiculous when one person is totally naked and the other is fully clothed!!! Half and half is sexy - uke naked from waist down, seme from waist up (although I do worry about the zipper, as has been discussed by others). But they have to match, this fully-clothed-seme/naked-uke thing is so common and it always distracts me from being able to appreciate what they're doing!

Examples to illustrate (yep, educational purposes, sure):
Matching! Sexy!!!
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kocchi_muite_ai/mf/c002/35/
Matching! Excuse me while I mop up my nosebleed!!
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v06/c035/14/
No matchy #-.-)
(Spoiler - it's from this manga)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/miraiken_de_ai_o_tsumugeba/uu/miraiken_de_ai_o_tsumugeba-chapter-3/35/

Weirdly, the thing I care most about so far is that Dong Su is SUCH a shitty friend!!! Don't get me wrong, he's good for comedic value, and I know this is a comedy so I'm not taking it seriously... but he truly is a piece of shit as a friend. Friends are supposed to have your back no matter what, and they will withhold info or even lie to people's faces for you (and vice versa, of course) no matter how much food is dangled in front of them! Again I know, comedy, not taking seriously - but I actually feel so sorry for the MC, just because he has such a shitty friend. Who needs enemies??

You said it PERFECTLY. I love this so much!

I would actually really like it if he's not running off to Souichirou right now, because he does still think he was betrayed. (Ahem, since Souichirou hasn't explained.) It's fine if it turns out that's what he is doing, no complaints! But I think I'd like it even better if Chiaki's leaving Tokyo to go learn agriculture somewhere for himself, because he's figured out that that's what he wants to do with his life. And then Souichirou has to come and find him.
I suspect maybe it'll be a cross-over thing like someone else has suggested, where Souichirou finally comes to Tokyo to see him, just as Chiaki leaves. Maybe he had to wait to get the harvest in or something before he could leave the farm... and I dunno, calling him on the phone to explain would be too easy...?

This story really is a bit of a mess. Or something. Okay, the uke does have bad taste in men. Obviously especially this dude. (((Spoilery bit: And I don't care that he's been an idiot and got himself into this horrible situation, it doesn't mean he deserves to be raped or sexually abused, ever. I'm also not sure why it's needed in this plot. It feels like that thing where ukes get punished for sleeping with people other than their Designated Seme, which I never like to see.)))
But it's odd that so many guys have assumed that he's just playing around. It makes me think that he's not very successful at getting his intentions across to his partners, maybe. And he should really get himself to Nichoume and meet some guys who are actually gay... although I can't remember if this is set in Tokyo, and I don't really want to go back and re-read it, tbh. Anyway, he should find a nice gay bar. Not that gay guys never play around, but it might give him a better chance of meeting someone who's sincere about relationships with guys.
I think *maybe* the point of his history and unfolding relationship? with Hayase is that Hayase knows that he is actually sincere in wanting real love. Which would be fine... but it's sort of ruined plot-wise by the fact that Shiina HAS been playing around with Hayase, without intending to fall in love with him or anything. What's up with that?? Or maybe the problem is more the execution of that part of the plot.
And I'm not even sure that I'm interpreting this right. 3 chapters in and the story's still just kind of... off.

On Shiina has been playing around with Hayase: yes I completely agree. Well, he's trying. The way I understood the plot is Shiina is trying to be the player instead of getting played at, this time. He wanted to be in control of himself. On Hayase, he is trying to be the bad guy because he is guilty for taking his virginity and somewhat making him gay. He rejects his help because Shiina wanted to do things on his own, hitting two birds with one stone. While on his ex, he is trying to relieve his stress through sex and actually acting out what his ex (and all of them) was accusing him of, that he is just playing around. Unfortunately, that control was taken from him by getting raped. WHICH I DONT UNDERSTAND, why would the ex rape him? Unless his gf broke up with him because she thought he was gay so now he is taking it out on Shiina.
Ukes get punished from sleeping with others apart from their designated seme > if that's what the plot is saying, then it is a shitty plot. Does that mean the author her/himself is victim blaming their own characters? "Because you try to sleep with others, you get raped and you deserve it"? The author themselves?! OMG. That's just bad.

I really don't warm to "baby," "bit" or "pretty baby bit." Vom. Nicknames like that are so patronising and infantilising. Some people might find them adorable but they just make me cringe - and hope "pretty baby bit" goes fucking Super Wolf on him.
Love the art though, and I do love wolves. Of course, in real life there's no such thing as alphas in wolf packs, but let's not get pedantic :-p

I was about to comment your FIRST SENTENCE, been reading both american LGBT and Yaoi for 15 years and I cringe at pet-names like baby-darling-love, BUT for the first time, ever, I found another angle as to why people use endearing terms that way. Here they're both alphas and Chay using it sounded so sexaaaay.

I can see how Chay could be using them with a bit of irony since Keaton is so powerful... I'll tell myself that to make it easier to deal with! Chay is sexy in all other ways! Some pet names aren't cringeworthy, but "baby" is not one I like, for myself irl and especially in yaoi. "Baby boy" is one I've read - double vom! That is a pet name for an actual pet. Or an actual baby.

Haha yes, her wolves, her rules!
"Bit" is cute in the sense that Spike calls Dawn "Little bit" in Buffy... but that's kinda my point, he calls her that because he feels affection for her as a cute little sister, not as an equal in a romantic relationship. I think what also bothers me about it in BL is that it's almost always semes, especially bi or previously-straight semes, who call ukes overly cutesy pet names like that. It feels like they're treating them like women, which I can't imagine any gay man would actually like. In fact, Keaton doesn't like Chay's pet names.
I know it's BL, which is hardly ever realistic, and it's a minor criticism (I do like this story!)... but it breaks the magic for me a bit.

I really don't know where you get "dehumanizing" from, I never said anything like that. (You might say... that is YOUR flawed perception of my opinion.) I said patronising, as in speaking from a position of feeling superior in some way, and infantilising, which means putting the person to whom you're speaking in a childlike/infant-esque position in relation to yourself.
It's not seeing something as "cute" that's the problem for me, at all. Anyone can be cute, or do cute things. And telling someone they're cute (or pretty) isn't necessarily patronising in any way. With too-cutesy pet names, especially in yaoi, it comes down to acting or sounding kind of like the "baby" is not equal to oneself. I personally don't find that vibe appealing.

I have read all the novels of this series and I can tell you first hand, for all of this authors works (this series and others) there are pet names. And for me "bit" is the most tolerable of them all. So if all of this series manga version gets translated be mentally prepared for a shit ton of pet names. ( ̄∇ ̄")

Thanks for the warning! I do think it's good that the manga is so faithful to the novels, I respect that... but ah damn, why can't he just call him "love" or something??
( ̄∇ ̄") As I said, I like the art and story - the pet names are the only thing I *don't* like and they don't put me off the whole manga, they pretty much just make Chay less attractive to me. So I'll try to prepare myself!

Potato potato? I love it when people try to play around with the words they used so the impact they left isn't as great. The gist was that being called nicknames triggers you because, for some reason, you associate them with feelings of superiority, like it puts you on a lower level than them somehow.

*Sigh* I love it when people pretend to be speaking generally as a way to be passive-aggressive. I wasn't lessening the impact, I was being accurate. There's a difference.
Nicknames in general are not an issue. Some endearments are fine for me, to use and to be called myself. But not really cutesy (also note: I said "cutesy," not "cute") diminutive ones like baby, babydoll etc. I find those a major turn-off. And they do have connotations that are patronising and infantilising. That's not being triggered, it's personally not liking something that some people do in relationships, IRL or in manga. It's fine if you like them, but it makes Chay less attractive to me.
I doubt this is going to be any kind of profitable conversation.

If you want to believe that being called baby or baby doll outside the context of harassment is somehow "patronizing and infantilising" feel free, i just fail to see how you do. It must suck to go outside and be triggered by small, everday things. I'm not sure how you handle the stress. Do you get called uptight often?

Nope. Do you get called an arsehole often? What's the point of being so ridiculous and hostile? Does my opinion affect you in some way? Do you even have any real thoughts to back up your "I think you're wrong and I can't handle it, but I don't have any actual ideas so I have to express it like a rude child" whinging? You seem to get triggered pretty easily by other people viewing things differently than you do. And it's even online, so I guess you don't even have to go outside to be triggered. Congratulations!

I feel like you definitely get called uptight often, or at least you would if you had people around you. It's a very typical argument of stuck up people to say "well it's just my opinion". Can't say i'm surprised. You just asked me if i have "proof to back up my thoughts", we were talking in the context of someone familiar with you calling you baby or babydoll, in this context it wouldn't be rude as it'd be being used as a form of endearment. You asking if i have "proof" of that is like asking if i have proof that the sky is blue, you can look up and see it is so. You could ask the person whether or not they're trying to be patronizing rather than assuming, you can listen to the tone of their voice and see the look in their eyes telling you they aren't being an asshole. Get your head out of your ass and pay attention around you.

Jeesh, get off each other's back. I assume you’re both here to read manga so go do just that.
Maybe you haven’t heard of it but why don’t you try to respect each other? OP commented her opinion and didn’t ask you for your opinion (simple fact), you gave it because you were somehow triggered by this ’small every day thing’ (= someone’s opinion, view etc. yes other people can have those too and sometimes they differ from yours, hun), case closed. Not need to make it personal and ‘dick' it out (MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS! unless you do it in the yaoi way because on this site we (mostly) approve of that (๑•ㅂ•)و✧)
Seems like this site is gaining in discussions like this ... (reference to Dark Heaven comment section because damn people are fighting it out there like no tomorrow!)
Basic solution: if you disagree with someone DONT comment on the comment (just keep scrolling! "WOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?" yes you can keep scrolling and not reply, mate! it isn’t a crime and you won’t go to Hell, although your social justice asshole warrior spirit will be crushed but you will spare somebody headaches, sleepless-nights, overthinking and all that negative bullshit that your comment can cause), make your own new comment unrelated to that one if you must with your own opinion.
But all in all JUST GO READ MANGA INSTEAD and give the authors, translators etc the LOVE they deserve!
Kind regards,
social justice asshole peace warrior

Well said, Social justice asshole peace warrior, keep fighting the good fight. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I'm all for a good reasoned debate, where people explain their opinions reasonably and *discuss* their differences respectfully, but there's just no point when it devolves into a childish shitfight (that's why I apologised when I realised I was descending to her/his level). It's a waste of time and energy I could be using to re-read Hydra yet again haha

Eh it's a nickname, who cares? Not like the author wrote it with your personal preference in mind. I personally see no harm in it. My husband calls me baby and I call him princess. I don't feel that it is condescending or demoralizing when he calls me that, and vice versa. I wouldn't answer to it if someone else called me that, and I know he wouldn't. But that is the thing, in a relationship pet names are meant for each other and not for other people.

It's absolutely fine with me that people have different personal taste when it comes to this stuff! It all just comes down to what people do or don't prefer, or like, in relationships (real or fictional). It sounds like you and your husband make a nice couple.
I personally don't like that particular flavour of pet name, I find it cringeworthy and a turn-off in real life. Not that it's a big deal, it just gets met with a "lol nope, not that one!" (And if they persist, they get called "toddler" in return until they switch to a different endearment.) So I find it unattractive when characters in manga etc. do it, too. As I've said, I like everything else about this manga, but that one thing makes Chay less attractive to me. Also, in this case, Keaton actually doesn't like it either so I'd prefer it if he didn't just put up with it or get used to it. As you say, of course in the end it's the author's taste that counts, but *my* taste does affect the way I react to the characters and their relationship. I think that's normal.
It's like people having different feelings about public displays of affection. Some like it, some don't. (I'm totally fine with it, fyi.) It's similar in that it's a way some people like to express their affection - but if the other person doesn't like it or isn't comfortable with it, I feel that the pro-PDA partner should respect that. And I don't think people in general would object to someone not liking PDAs.

Are you telling me not to respond to a comment in a comments section? The very purpose of a comments section? Smart guy. I have no issue with other people having opinions, i have an issue with people who come across cunty. If your opinion is based in logic and can be understood by the general public (people apart from the other uptight whiners) then i will respond with "okay, i'll agree to disagree", but when you say something as ridiculous as "people, even people close to you, calling you baby or babydoll is patronizing" i'll respond with the proper response of "are you retarded or pretending"? The OP is clearly just looking for stupid things to be upset about, it's ridiculous. Btw, aren't YOU commenting on MY opinion instead of continuing on? Why? Oh! Because it's a comments section. What part of me came across as an sjw too?

There are quite a few scenarios where calling someone baby or babydoll is endearing, but the OP is saying it'd "Turn them off" even in these scenarios, which i find ridiculous. What is "patronizing" about your lover or friend calling you baby? How is them calling you baby them looking down on you. The OP comes across as an easily offended cunt and i'm making that well known. Idc if you like my methods babe.

THIS^^^^^ EXACTLY THIS! This is what i've been saying! Being called cutsie things like baby or babydoll isn't innately patronizing like the OP wants to think. They aren't just including harassment as the context for patronizing someone, they're saying if, in any situation, someone were to call them baby they'd feel like the person is looking down on them. This is ridiculous.

I believe i've explained well enough why you're being ridiculous. I'll give you a gist: you aren't just including harassment as the context in which using cutsie names like baby or babydoll are patronizing, you're saying that in any situation in which a person were to call you baby you would feel like they were looking down on you. I fail to see how you would consider being called baby or some other cute nickname as patronizing if you were called by a person close to you. What i've been saying is that: if your significant other were to call you baby and your response was to get angry because you feel as though, for literally NO reason, they're looking down on you that i'd think you're kinda a cunt. I feel as though anyone with logic will feel the same.

It's not a matter of taste. What you just said in this paragraph is: "hey world! I'm an easily offended cunt"! You try to play it off as this perfectly reasonable response, but what you're saying is that if your lover were to, out of love for you, give you baby as a cute nickname, that you'd instantly feel like they were looking down on you and turn the cute moment into an awkward moment where they realized they pissed you off and have to try and come up with another one to please you. Because you're a cunt. Congratulations. You've succeeded in taking the feelings that person put into that nickname and stepped on them.

Eh, you seem to be getting a lot of dislike for this. I don't understand why anyone would take your opinion personally. It's just a manga guys....
Anyway, I agree with you. I didn't mind the nickname "bit" but thought "baby" was off-putting. I'm personally not a huge fan of pet names in general but find "baby" to be especially cringey. I wouldn't try to regulate the nicknames couples use with each other (nor do I think that was your purpose of this topic) but I also don't think it's cute. At all. And it's unlikely my preferences will change soon. If my partner continuously called me a pet name I don't know how long our relationship would last. It would annoy the heck out of me.
We all have different opinions/preferences, can't we respect that?

Why are you this upset by someone else's preference? Talking about manga is one thing, but the only one who has a right to call them those nicknames in real life is someone intimate with them, and part of being intimate with someone is learning their likes and dislikes. I don't agree that baby is patronizing, but someone who gets offended and insists on using a nickname their partner hates is far more than just patronizing.

All right, I'm going to attempt this ONCE more, because now you're just being insulting to everyone. Try to read very carefully, because your reading comprehension seems to need some work. I say this with affection (that makes it endearing, right?): calm the fuck down, you're making a fool of yourself.
Who would be so high-maintenance that they'd be upset that someone didn't like a particular pet name??! Look, maybe this is partly to do with cultural differences. Australians are not a cutesy-poo people in general. I would need confirmation from others (particularly USians) on this, but from TV it seems that "baby" might be much more commonly used in the US and maybe other places, compared to Oz. I hear "babe" occasionally - which has connotations of sexiness rather than childishness - but rarely "baby" unless someone's talking to a very small child or an adorable pet. It's way more likely to hear "sweetheart" in Australia than the diminutive "sweetie," for example. "Sweetie" is more often used to be sarcastic or deliberately patronising here. That whole "bae" thing? I have never, ever heard an Aussie utter it. This may be different with teenagers; my friends, significant others and I are all over 25 so we're all grown-ass adults and have never called each other super-cutesy names. And look up 'Australian nicknames' on YouTube to get an idea of how Aussies show affection through nicknaming.
It's just stupid that someone would be hurt that their endearment was not to the other person's liking. Grow up! Who the hell is that much of a snowflake?? An old boyfriend and I, when we were in the early stages of the relationship, had a great time going through all the increasingly outrageous pet names we could come up with and seeing which worked and which didn't. BOTH of us vetoed almost all of them - unsurprisingly, he didn't care for "Sweet-butt," and I put the kaibosh on "Boo-boo" immediately. Obviously, at that point we were deliberately trying to gross each other out. But this kind of exchange is what it means to respect each others' feelings and preferences, and make each other happy. And have fun at the same time. If someone I was dating continued to insist on calling me something they knew I didn't like or feel comfortable with, my conclusion would be that they didn't care about my feelings.
Seriously, why is this such a big deal to you? You're verging on public meltdown so I'm curious. Read this carefully: IT'S OKAY if you call someone "baby" and they like it. If I witnessed it, I wouldn't think you were looking down on them. I would think "Blergh, that's not a pet name I think is cute/endearing," because to me the terms in and of themselves have patronising, infantilising connotations. I don't judge other people for using them though, because once more for the dummies IT'S FINE IF YOU LIKE IT. Equally, IT'S ALSO FINE THAT I DON'T LIKE IT. So in the context of the comment section of a manga, IT'S FINE IF I EXPRESS THAT OPINION. It's also fine if other people disagree, but in your case: stop being a belligerent dickhead or go home troll, you're drunk.

So being turned off by the nickname "baby" is the equivalent of thinking blacks are sub-human? As a black person who faces racism regularly, I find that to be hilarious. I don't know what universe you live in where the two are comparable. Are you in a relationship, romantic or friendly, with OP that would call for giving them the nickname "baby"? If you are you're a horrible friend/partner because you have little respect for them. But if you're not (most likely the situation) then who are you to even give input on the nicknames OP would like to be called?
And don't worry, based on your comments here I already think you're a cunt :)

None of what you just wrote matters, it doesn't matter because we had already established the context in which you were being called baby or baboll. It doesn't matter that certain nicknames are used more in other areas because we already established that it would be anyone, even someone close to you like a lover, calling you baby and you'd get offended.

When did i say the two are comparable in degree of insult? I just gave it as an example. "faced with racism everyday", sorry, but unless you're living in a 3rd world country you aren't oppressed, just whiny. How is nicknaming someone a sign of disrespect? As far as who am i, i am a commenter in a comments section who saw something they disagree with and decided to say something. Don't really care if you like my methods or not babe.

You're just saying everything i've been saying... Intimate partners SHOULD be able to nickname you without you being a cunt and getting all offended. The reason i've been arguing is because the OP is insisting that they'd get offended even in those situations, so i'm making sure the OP knows that this makes them a cunt.

'Regularly" not "everyday". It's amusing how you bring up racism as if you think it's a bad thing, then turn around and trivialize racism by saying oppression is only existent in 3rd world counties. Different topic that I'd rather not get into here, but at least now I can say you're a racist cunt too.

Either you didn't read that anon's comment or failed to comprehend it. My guess is the latter.

Calling someone the way they'd like to be called and avoiding nicknames they don't like is basic respect 101. You don't seem to get that respect is more important in an intimate relationship, not less. And I know if I did something my partner disliked as a romantic gesture I would want them to speak up right away, not keep quiet out of fear of hurting my feelings or seeming uptight. If everything I did upset them or they started berating me over honest mistakes it would be a problem, but the OP doesn't sound like that sort at all. She accepts that not everyone thinks the same way and doesn't give any sign she wouldn't handle the issue with maturity if it came up. You, on the other hand, just sound like someone who has a set idea of what every relationship should look like and can't accept that others do things differently.

Yes, because acknowledging that racism is rampant in 3rd world countries and that it is more widely shamed in modern society is trivializing racism... Does it hurt when you pull your arguments out of your ass or do they slip right out? I'm not interested in playing mental gymnastics with you, you can leave.

Lol, i see you're choosing to go back to the whole "it's just an opinion" argument. As i've said previously, there is a difference between having an opinion and being a cunt. There are things that the general public can witness and condemn because they're just plain "bad", i previously used racism as an example, but since it was immediately jumped on that racism and making your partner uncomfortable over such a small, everyday thing (the nicknames) aren't within the same stretch of "bad" i'll just say the OP is within the lesser stretch being "mean spirited". The OP is claiming that if their lover were to, out of love for them one day, call them baby that their instant reaction would be to make a scene out of it showing their dislike by forcing them to choose a new nickname. This would make the other person uncomfortable. I find this sad. I think anyone using logic would find this sad. Is it the end of the world? No. But it still makes the OP cunty for even getting upset in this scenario in the 1st place.

How on earth is Yotsuya-san supporting himself in this position?? The Magically Hovering Seme strikes again!!! Maybe he's balancing on his dick (≧∀≦)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/oishii_otoko/bt/174131/page/pg-31/
That front leg!!!! No, no, no, a million times no!
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hatsujou/mf/manga/hatsujou/c002/pg-25/
And it doesn't even work as a werewolf thing, because it would have been his arm and oh dear lord people do not have knees like that in their arms (⊙…⊙ )
Yup that's what I pointed out a year ago too (While still being an Anon) glad I'm not the only 1 seeing that, LOL
Hahaha I can't focus on anything else in that scene! I just kept looking between wolf-Jinguuji and my German Shepherd (she's lying next to me) and grimacing!
Disturbing...
omg!!!! its like a rat foot with a broken leg!! lord help this poor animal!!
LOL. Oh cool, you got a German Shepherd?! I'd a Golden Retriever before. Now I just got a Terrier-mix, a cat and a hamster.
ive always wanted a hamster. they are small and cute! all i have are 8 dobermans,a german shepherd, a horse, and my 3 pretty kitties. oh....and 2 of my dogs had puppies...so i kind of have.... 20 pups ( ̄∇ ̄") they take up one whole room.. but i love them! so cute and small!
WOW so many pets, I wish I could have so many, but taking care of 3 pets already hard work for me ^^" Yet a lot of fun having them.
This my 2nd dog, 3rd cat and 6th hamster :3 Hamsters don't live long. My hamster record only 2 1/2 year T^T I miss all my past pets. So lucky to those who got hamsters that got long lifes. I hope my pets would live long too.
My dog already 11 yro, my cat 7 yro and my hamster 1 yro.
Have lots of fun with your lovely animal family ヾ(☆▽☆)
hehe yeah i will. they cute.
Yay I love fur-child talk!!! Nice menagerie, I love a good mix of species, so adorable! Hamsters aren't allowed in Australia because they'd wreak havoc on the natural ecosystem when they escape and outbreed the native small fauna (case in point: rabbits took over half the country), but I've met one in England and they're sooo cute! I have 3 cats as well as my German Shepherd (she's a long-haired Shep, so she's floofy) - dog and one cat are 11, the other 2 are younger but sorta of indeterminate age because they're rescues. Asshole people who lived a few doors down moved out and abandoned their young cat and kitten to starve. That was years ago, they're both lovely and happy now! But I'm still pissed off on their behalf.
Never knew hamsters not allowed at some countries. Learn something new every day.
I love fluffy pets. The fluffier the better LOL. My dog however got rough hair, my cat a shorthair (yet very soft), and my Russian Dwarf hamster looks like a ball of fluff in spite being short haired. He can escape easily from my hand like soap LOL.
Fortunately for me no fields at site haha. ^^" Took me long time 2 catch him, was afraid more that he might get stuck somewhere or chew on electric wires rather than he escaped. (He escape only once. Took extra care not to let him escape anymore, they very fast little critters)
My cat abandoned too. Barely 20 days old that time when my dog found him in my garden. This happens often to me =_= They just throw their pets over my low wall into my garden. Kittens as well as puppies!
Though I wanna help them all, I can't T^T , Tried hard to find them new places, but I live at a country full of strays :'(
So got no choice but to bring them to the only shelter here, or police or vet.
Lately no abandoned pets thrown at me now after I adopted that kitten, now 7 yro! (He was very skinny and tiny and couldn't eat or clean by himself yet. The youngest kitty I ever took care off) Now he's a very naughty cat and on his rebellious age xD My dog afraid of him now. (They used to play together for a year, but somehow cat got jealous so he bit him ^^") Thanks to that behaviour, my little prince got a room of his own! (It supposed to be a guest room =_=) Include a human bed, his own bed, his toys, toilet and food and water haha