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Ummm.. okaii.. as a straight woman myself i would like to point out that we don’t get off to that shit as do most straight women.

i’m so glad you feel that way, but that is simply not true. most if not all stories like this are written by women for women. if you don’t get off to it then great, i’m not talking about you.

Thanks for this I didn't see the spoilers I'll be dropping this too

Ikr…i read the novel because the beginning of the manhwa really cought me. 2 hot guys, on two opposite sides. I loved the chemistry and the cat-mouse fight between them. I kinda enjoyed the novel until…the rape scenes started. Then the Stockholm syndrome. And after the good beginning these stuffs just ruined the novel for me. I skipped nearly all “smut” scenes and just wanted to know how it ends. Honestly if the auther wrote the story without rape it would have been a good novel.

You’re literally generalizing then telling people if it doesn’t apply you’re not talking to them? Make it make sense

yup! <3 i never said all straight women. i was very clearly talking about straight women who get off to stories romantisizing or excusing rape and abuse between gay men, if you dont do those things i’m not talking about you! hope this helped. :)

the concept is literally so fun and interesting it could have been so good. so many stories like this are ruined by the same rape and stockholm sydrome shit it’s so disappointing.

Thats not what generalization means but ok

I need yall to read actual geicomi ("bara"), and come back to me saying "uwuuwuw only women write rape in BL for other women!! uwu" you would be laughed out of the room.
None of yall would last one manga of the geicomi genre, which would be fine because each to their own, but the fact that yall INSIST noncon fantasies is exclusive to female writers/readers is embarrassing. Its just loudly telling on yourselves.

how to tell someone has not read BL by actual gay men lmao

RIGHT they just wanna hate on women so bad

i never said only women either but thanks so much for your input <3

sorry that i feel disgusted and violated by the way straight women treat and write about gay men? weird ass response bro

also gay men have the right to write disgusting rape fantasies about gay men. that was never a point i brought up at all lol.

You certainly implied it!
"dogshit violent rape story made for straight women to get off to."
"most if not all stories like this are written by women for women."
If you only mention women and no one else, then yeah, it comes off as ur only talking about women. This is the bed you made, just lie in it and admit thats what u were talking about lmao

lmaoooo by this logic ur saying ur completely fine with straight men writing violent rape fantasies about straight women and vice versa. Also what about bi people? are they only allowed to write rape scenes between explicitly bi people? what about gender queer or NB folks? God, what about ace folks? are they not allowed porn in general.
Anyone is allowed to write porn, please get that stick out of your ass and do some introspection on why you care so much. I promise you will be happier when u stop caring about this, I know cause I sounded like you like 3-4 years ago.

The point is that its just fiction, it can make u uncomfortable and u don't have to like/read it, thats fair. Just stop moralizing over it.

are you fucking stupid? are you just going to ignore the history and nuance of sensitive topics like using people from a community that isn’t your own as a sexual fetish and the ramifications of viewing groups of people that way? this is not a black and white issue. besides it’s not my place to say how other communities feel about being used in such a way.

it’s not lol that was just your assumption. “most of not all stories like this are written by women for women” is quite literally only talking about how yaoi and bl, especially the toxic shit, is mostly made by women for women. this is a well known fact. that’s literally the origin of yaoi in general. “dogshit violent rape stories made for straight women to get off to” when did i say every straight woman got off to using the rape of gay men as their fap material? all i said was that they are the target demographic for this shit. you’re just assuming incorrectly, that’s not my fault.

and u clearly do not know a single thing about how psychology plays into kink and why ppl have rape fantasies in the first place (hint! rape fantasies as usually imagined from the victim perspective, and is often about reclaiming control, desensitizing, and tone changing to heal). Noncon in fiction is also an incredibly nuanced subject.
Then have you considered not speaking on the genre in general, when its not an element exclusive to mlm?

"this is a well known fact. that’s literally the origin of yaoi in general." thats adorable, do you have a source for that? has the same energy as the person who claimed "yaoi" was made to prop up the WW2 economy lmao
Im begging yall to read an actual peer reviewed journal and not some 14yr old tripping on twitter

are u actually serious? ur views are incredibly clear but u want to argue semantics of how u said it??? Why the hell would u keep going back to women if that was not what u had the problem with. Like ur saying ur "not mad at women being the demographic or writers behind mlm noncon fantasies", then what are you saying??? what are u mad about???

oh my god can you not read or are you being intentionally dense? yaoi was created a long time ago as an outlet for women in japan to escape the sexism and misogyny they faced in real life. god knows why they had to use gay men but whatever, thats what happened. where did i say i wasnt mad at women being the demographic or writers behind mlm noncon fantasies?? learn to read for the love of god. the majority of yaoi and bl creators are women and their intended demographic is almost always other women. that makes me sick. no woman should be using gay men as their rape fantasy subjects. it’s fetishizing and dehumanizing.

your assumptions are insane. my argument has never been about rape in fiction in general, that was very clear.

yeah no, unless u lived in Japan circa the last 100 years (and I mean 100, not like the last 30-40), you don't get to just claim thats the origin of "yaoi". Yes I am pulling THE CITE YOUR SOURCES. Are u not aware there is actual peer reviewed studies the BL and its history??? haha what I am saying, of course you aren't otherwise you wouldn't be making such a dumbass claim.
But sure, if you want to make a claim as idiotic as "yaoi was made to stimulate the post WW2 economy" then you NEED TO BACK IT UP WITH A SOURCE. And not some twt 14 yr old on a power trip. An actual source.
But my apologies. not everybody's brain has fully developed so maybe that is beyond you :)

If I am being nice, I think you are maybe confusing and conflating the history of BL with the history and definition of Fujoshi. Which was a deragotory term coined by homophobic asshats to insult woman for enjoying queer lit, saying they were corrupt/tainted and unmarriable because of it, but later reclaimed by Japanese women (and folk, because we now have fujin ect).

And for the love of god, do you even know the authors gender??? Or are u just assuming they're a woman?

And let me get this straight. U find noncon in fiction to be disgusting, but specifically because u believe noncon in BL is only written by women, for women.
begging you to read actual geicomi.
but nope. u complain about BL saying its written by women for women and u seem to hate it, you wouldn't last reading actual geicomi.

this is such a ridiculous response considering all we got was a noncon tag added and no one even seems to know for certain what the context is. have u considered going outside and touching grass? I certainly need to after bothering to engage with u for this long, I suggest you do the same, and stop reading twitter threads by brain dead teenagers on twitter who think queer is a slur <3

i’ll be dropping this in advance after reading the spoilers. this is just another bullshit story where the ml violently RAPES the mc multiple times and they fall in love anyway. the ml is absolutely evil but somehow this dogshit gets a happy ending it’s so unbelievably stupid. when are we going to accept that this is terrible writing. dogshit violent RAPE story made for straight women to get off to. fuck this bullshit

that is literally ur comment. first u say never said all women, then u say just women that get off to noncon, and now ur saying its not about rape at all.
go to bed.

oh my god you are so fucking illiterate and constantly moving goal posts. any information i have on the origin of yaoi i did not get from twitter that is such a weird assumption. but my bad if the source isn’t 100% accurate maybe i didnt look back far enough. but if you know anything about yaoi and bl, especially in recent times, you should know how common it is for this shit to be made by women and for women. and you keep putting the word ‘only’ in my mouth when i NEVER said it. just admit you’re arguing in bad faith and dont care what i have to say. and i never said noncon content shouldnt be made, yeah it’s disgusting but that’s also the nature of noncon and i am allowed to think so. i just find it especially disgusting when women use gay men as their subjects as if we’re a fetish or just made for sex. which is why i dont care when gay men make noncon of other gay men, that is their right. im so sick of trying to explain to you what i’m saying and you continue to refuse to understand. just fuck off already.

i never said it wasnt about rape in general you illiterate fuck. i said it wasnt ONLY about rape in ALL contexts. LEARN TO READ. i have ONLY ever been talking about noncon yaoi and bl that is made by women for women. you’re getting butt hurt over nothing. it’s not my fault you cant fucking read or understand context clues.

i’d love to see your sources on the history of yaoi bc when i was looking into it i didnt find anything older than the 70s mentioning yaoi.

Why is everyone arguing

A story having rape doesn’t mean shit writing there’s multiple components of writing.

I agree with you but I just wanna say I feel like rape is a topic that’s generalized now in these days… I don’t think some only wants to target gay ppl.

of course it is. but that doesn’t change what i said.

I think it's you who should be ashamed

Or you?

this is my favorite comment ever