I don't personally like the 2nd couple. I feel like uncle Pan is an unrealistic character, like he's got an image going on. "Let's make this, like, at most 30 something year old a woke sage"... why would someone as "wise and mature" as him even be interested romantically, not just sexually, in what equates to a dumb, cocky college manboy sleeping around? It's not like the boy has even really put the moves on him. They have literally NO chemistry as character types, and i haven't been made to feel chemistry between them as characters either... they shouldn't be a thing, it takes away from the 1st couple, which is an issue since their story literally just... isn't done yet. Their pairing is like a classy older woman with her life and shit together, the type that wears pearls, dating a college basketball team jock type. It's so unrealistic and jarring. The 1st couple needs the attention. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
It said "rape", but there was no penetration. That was sexual harrassment/coercion. Not that it's much better, it just irritates me when heavy words are used incorrectly... there is a time, a very sad time, to use the word rape.
On the warning it says that it includes or strongly hints at there being rape, this is shounen ai, like in a lot of shounen ai, it implies sex or in this case rape, but does not show it.
i heard this was censured meaning the translators took a fuck ton off the original webtoon
He gave him a handjob, you should read the dialogue again.
Honestly, it was better than i thought it'd be, but it was a little poorly executed. TOO much going on. Too many different characters to keep track of, too much random little inconsequential scenes. The story felt all over the place and the most interesting part, the two mcs, aren't seen enough with all the... extra... being shown. Not enough focus on the rpg elements and action, just a lot of talking.
Yes, age matters, no, it doesnt when there is only 5 years between you two and you're both adults. At most it'd be an issue of tastes.
It actually does, a 25 year old is not at the same place in life as a 30 somthing year old. at 30 year old people expect you to marry and start a family, and at 25 you would probably just start your career/finish your studies. Totally diffrent stages of life. I havn't actually read it yet so I might be wrong but generally speaking it does matter.
I dont think its isnt about age, when we are talking about 20+ years. it depens how u grow up (culture, parents, friends, society) and which value/perspective of life u are experieced in that time. That forms ur way of thinking how life should be.
“Not in the same place in life” lmao
My husband and I are barely five years apart and we’ve been together six years, so we both know what we want out of each other already. I’m 25 and he’s turning 30, and LOTS of people I went to school with already started their families long before we have, soooooo definitely not about two different stages in life. Hell, Daniel’s the one who’s further on than Rose in this story
I mean, i get what you're saying, but that's a problem that's only as big as you allow it to be and at 25 you are old enough to handle yourself. It's no one else's business what you do with your life. Putting that aside, i was more of talking about societal standards than day to day grind. Peoplelike to be nosy and act like a 5 year gap is some huge issue when the reality is that they're just bored gossips.
Well, I've recentlly had a "date" with someone 11 years older than me and he even lied about his age! He told me, he was 6 years older, which is not so bad, we're both adults, but when I saw him I just knew that he lied. Then he admitted the age difference was 11 years. Age matters, to me he's just old, he even started graying. I felt betrayed and so annoyed as I was lied to, but even without thinking about what he was hiding, I just couldn't feel at ease with him, he was like an uncle at that point.
Yes, being swindled feels bad. Who even knows what that guy's intentions were. Putting that aside, wouldn't the obvious assumption here be that I'm talking about consenting couples? Besides, you just said you would've been fine with an older guy, just not 11 years older. I guess the point is that adults can do what they want without needing to worry about what other people think.
Yeah, I'm not denying what you said, I agree to it actually, but I just wanted to point that age in some ways matters :). If it is a consenting, healthy and adult relationship who cares about their age differences, if it's not a problem to them or even they don't care about it, good for them.
Yeah my dad's 8 years older than my mom...
"You're quite the high rank-- no wonder you were such a bitch" LOL. I love her.
Bless Romantica.
Why do you guys think he changed his sex? It looked like he was just the superior enigma sex? He had stronger pheromones, did you see the scent signs on the pages? He says his mind gets fogged and he starts to become super aware of his touch. I think this is enigma x alpha, it's supposed to be dominance porn. Not enigma x alpha turned omega, but who knows?
Are you all paying attention? He's trying to fool her into thinking he's under her charm, if he'd pushed her away he would've outed himself. He chose not to. The sex scene actually makes sense considering her character, he called her a thot. She's the seductive, manipulative type and he's powerful. He commented that she's a virgin eater too. If you hate her, good, take pleasure in her soon downfall. Don't freak out and drop it when that was the point. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Totally agree. Even though it’s kinda uncomfortable to read... Felt too much like rape to me.
I mean, he didn't want it, but he chose to do it to keep his cover. That's not rape, it's reluctance. She didn't coerce him, since she had no effect on I think the scene was supposed to be comedic considering his reactions after. He kinda shakes it off. They just did a bad job with presentation, more specifically the wording. The dialogue about him possibly "losing something as a person" and the bit about his purity comes across like he was raped, but i think it was supposed to come across as a joke considering his behavior.
Yeah, I see your point about the comedy. And I know that he didn’t get coerced into it. Just left a bit of a bitter aftertaste. But I’m just gonna’ ignore it for now and look forward to the sweet taste of well deserved justice. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Yes, that creepy bitch is going down (づ￣ ³￣)づ
i feel like some ppl didnt pay enough attention reading bc most ppl lack some details about the plot =.= they’re just assuming hes dumb and stuff without considering how tht would’ve exposed him. like the others who protect anett im sure he would also do anything for them
he’s been hiding his true power. and until now, the nasty lady’s charm has not failed. if he chose not to sleep w her they would’ve known right away that he was lying about his true strength. they also have a ton of mages under their power and he also doesn’t have enough control over his magic (he said it several times) which makes it difficult to get rid of her and the others under control of the nasty lady since he doesnt want to kill anyone. this can b shown when he doesn’t use powerful healing magic on amos because he was afraid that he could kill someone if he uses powerful magic since it could backfire. dont u think that if he could he would stop the search for anett and the others? and like defeat the lady. he doesnt even kno what the nasty lady even is. like her race. hes still investigating. cut him some slack!! if he was stupid he never would’ve protected himself against the charm, not hide his true strength to flex w/o knowing the dangers of doing so, etc. but lets see how this turns out since i might be speaking too early
also! in the first place he left the others bc he wanted to stop them from getting to anett since he was more valuable. he also mentioned tht he wanted to stay w them. i dont get y the mc is unlikebale for some readers. these things mean something ppl!
The reason he didn't cast the high level heal on Amos was because he was worried about that specific mechanic, it's not that all of his magic backfires. He explains that when he was playing the game, if you were low hp and took significant heals, it'd inflict damage. As far as the charmer and mages, he could take her out, but he's in business with the town and didn't want to deal with all of that. The lord is her lover.
yes, that is what i meant but i didnt phrase it correctly. i dont mean that all his magic backfires :) u can see him doing magic that hasnt backfired t/o the plot so. he was afraid that he would hurt amos.
it is obvious so i of course could see that ty tho
Yw (▰˘◡˘▰)
i get the point. but like the others experienced, it left such a bitter aftertaste.
personally, whether or not the sex scene made sense, it was unnecessary to have it for the plot. there were already plenty of reasons to hate her, considering her suspicious behavior and actions, her chase after annette, and that she's the obvious suspect of the 'accidents'. there was really no need to rub it in to the readers when she's already shown plenty of her arsenal.
and as you said, the way they handled the aftermath was like it was just a joke, meaning it had no real depth whatsoever. it could've been written completely off and nothing would've changed. it just served to be quite the tasteless 'humor', or dare i say fanservice.
if it does indeed have real consequences later on, then i will strike off my complaint [though execution still sucks so much].
and actually, it didn't seem like marius fully 'chose to do it', even if he didn't want to. he was having a hard time focusing just resisting her charms, and he even said it was 'in confused lust'. so i don't think he was 100% in consent.
I read everything, I'll answer everything you said.
I get your argument about it not being necessary, but feel that it's such a moot point. Rape (or in this case, consensual, but reluctant, sex), even irl, never has a purpose for anyone but the perpetrator. Can you imagine looking at rape (calling it rape for you, hopefully the bottom of my response will show you it wasn't) and saying "well that's stupid" and feeling insulted based on nothing but the naive thought that it was unnecessary? It's like, yes, it was unnecessary. You're pointing at the sky and arguing to me that it's blue. If you're wondering why the sex was shown to the degree it was instead of just alluded to it's because you're basically reading a picture book, it had to show enough for you to understand that it wasn't JUST regular sex, though it wasn't rape. Otherwise we'd just be left to understand for ourselves that the sex was reluctant based on everything so far and the knowledge that they had sex. I had already made the point that the sex scene itself isn't just IN character, but that you should've expected one at some point literally simply based on the reality of the manga. Literally just her character and dialogue from the mc calling her a thot. Her ENTIRE thing is that she controls powerful men with sex and charm magic. What? Was she just going to leave the mc alone after noticing his worth? THAT would make no sense. Within the context of the story, what you're wanting makes no sense, the sex scene should've been obviously upcoming to EVERYONE, yourself included. As far as it "maybe not having been consensual", he's had no trouble handling her charm magic before or after, if you want to believe he couldn't have easily fought her charm magic off with even the slightest amount of effort, feel free. But i won't agree with that when he literally said he could've taken on her AND all the mages she had under control. What he was saying in that scene was that she was putting more power into her charms. He could've fought back by amping up his own, but he decided to have sex with her, so he kept up his usual amount of power which let him feel a little of her charm's effects. The evidence is him not being under her thrall after, clearly she didn't actually overpower him.
fair point. though i would appreciate leaving irl situations with fiction. it's a story, and most scenes would be in question if there's actually no point to it, especially if they seem to be consequential.
i wouldn't have a problem with the explicit or nonexplicit depiction of rape, if the aftermath was dealt with properly. if you're going to include it when it obviously would be distasteful for readers (though if it's directed towards the few who enjoy it, then kudos to them), at least don't brush it off as comedic effect.
that's why it felt unnecessary to me. it was just there like, "haha he got his v-card stolen, okay next". regardless if she had bedded the mc or not, she'd still be a thot nonetheless. there'd be no actual difference. it's not like she became an ascended thot or anything.
if it was indeed needed to show how thotful she is (pun intended) and to highlight her charm magic and wily ways to control men, it could've been better presented and not in just a few quick scenes. provide a reason why it was necessary or relevant. like sure, he caught her fancy hence she showed him her 'thots', but okay what's the goal in this? she was already confident in her charm magic being effective so it's not like she was making doubly sure he was really under her control. so, like.. just to show the train of thot?
the way it was handled in the story, it was like it was put there just for the sake of it.
The scene WAS a joke though, they're not brushing it off, it wasn't a serious thing to begin with. You have it exactly right when you say the point was to laugh that he had his virginity stolen in that specific way with that reaction to it. Idk what to respond with because you're literally just pointing out what happened and getting irritated because the joke wasn't integral to the story. Moving on to another of your points, you had said "its not like she ascended". I'd like you to remember that part of your response just because i don't want to quote the entire thing while responding to it. The reality is that the scene DID have an impact on how we perceive the story going forward, as made abundantly evident by even just looking at you, let alone the comments section at the time i made this thread. You're right, she as a character didn't change through having sex with him, but your impression of her did. That's literally just character exposition. You're seeing more of her established character, it's pretty basic, really. Your responses have made it sound like you wanted the scene to have an impact on the story itself, but it doesn't have to. The point of the scene was for the joke and, in addition to that, people saw more of her being... that... and now dislike her even more.
(sorry if my points are all over)
"The scene WAS a joke though, they're not brushing it off, it wasn't a serious thing to begin with."
-okay...? but anyways, that was my point, the plot could've gone without it and the results would still be the same. the mc just sacrificed his purity basically for nothing but 'humor'.
"...getting irritated because the joke wasn't integral to the story."
-that's cuz i thought that it wasn't just a joke for the mc when he feels like he's getting father away from annette and co. he felt that he became impure perhaps, but the story just shrugs it off as nothing serious.
"...but your impression of her did. You're seeing more of her established character, it's pretty basic, really."
-but at the expense of the mc, no less. if they were going for character exposition, then they should've handled it better, and not as you said, as just a joke. like i said previously, i wouldn't have cared all that much if she bedded him or not for the sake of emphasizing more of her thotfulness, so long as they take the aftermath seriously. it would still leave a bitter taste but it would be much more satisfactory. after all, she's not like those harem girls of isekai mc's where it's often passed off as japes (still tasteless tho)... she's a villain, and a putrid one at that (in terms of sliminess at least).
my impression of her didn't change. she's still a thot, presented and introduced as one, and will always be one. she was already hated (or disliked, definitely perceived as negative), but i guess it's to make us hate her more? for the satisfaction of bringing her down? though tbf, i feel hatred more on how the story handled it than the actual character in question. in any case, it doesn't look like there would be a satisfying payoff anytime soon, considering how she's giving off the vibes of one of the main antagonist's henchmen. feels like she could survive the skirmish/battle against the mc and get away with it. but hey i could be wrong [hopefully].
Okay, this^ made it much easier to understand. What i had been getting at with the 1st bit you responded to is that i couldn't understand you being irritated for the reason you were presenting because you had worded it in a way that sounded like you were irritated JUST because the joke had no role in the story, which in itself is nonsensical. I was trying to understand the whole reason, since i assumed that wasn't the whole of it. Now i see it's that you were irritated by the mc's possible hurt over the situation. I'd like to point out that he literally just shrugged it off and was fine talking to her after, so i don't think he was traumatized. As far as how she'll end up, i personally think, with the way we're being led to hate her, she'll be punished in a showy way to please us. I could also see her ending up on the mc's side too though, i guess we'll see. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
i was dreading over the possibility that she'd end up as an ally, but oml pls no (￣∇￣")
but i can't discount on it fully because it's certainly really possible.
though hopefully she'd end up like princess malty from shield hero, rather than part of the mc's harem. (╯°Д °)╯
It'd be very cliche if she ended up part of his crew for fanservice, but this IS isekai... hopefully not <fingers crossed> #－.－)
Kind of a guilty read, just because of the futanari, but it was really cute. Not my kink, but they were a treat to read about.