This is probably the only yaoi I've read where it actually feels... surreal, seeing the MCs have sex. In a good way. It started out like a really cute shounen ai but in a slice of life kinda way and now here we are with Motochika being a beast in bed, in contrast with his dilligent schoolboy personality. Gives me the same kinda awkward, but good feeling i got while watching Kimi ni todoke, when it started to explore Sawako and Kazehaya's sexuality. Awkward because they're established as a cute couple and then you've got the little moments like the almost-kiss when she closes her eyes, her admitting she has "hidden intentions" in her interactions with him, sexual jokes/inuendos like when Chi calls him a gentleman for accompanying Sawako during the test of courage, etc. It's just weird seeing them actually be a couple, but in a good way.
Did you guys know rape is bad? I feel pretty certain you all knew, but Yumi seems to think you're all simple minded children and rapist/pedophiles. It's amazing how sure of herself she is, no room for even discussion, she KNOWS you're disgusting if you disagree with her. The self righteousness is palpable.
Yumiswife:
-Spams every yaoi comments section in existence about the exact same parrotted drivel about rape being bad, therefore the people who liked the manga are condoning rape, while ignoring and arguing every actually logical thought sent her way-
-proceeds to tell me "WE (She and herself) are getting annoyed at you spamming the same responses at me"- LOL.
The absolute DENSITY. You're about to implode into a black hole sweetie. The reason you keep seeing the same messages from me is because you're insane and keep attacking EVERYONE in EVERY yaoi comments section that doesn't agree with you with the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS. You keep seeing the same responses from me because they are the most logical answers i can give you. They ARE my answer to what is your only talking point anywhere you can be found. Unfortunately you're the radical feminist type to the most extreme stereotype, the kind the general populace finds cringy, so logic doesn't work. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
She can't respond here so she's going to make a separate topic at me. :^D
But rape is bas, plots that try to gloss over this, or have rape seen as excusable "because the semes jealous and he loves him" are just shit. And not all yaoi has depictions of rape or the daft "rape equals love" trope, so those that do rightly receive negative feedback unless you are aomeone that thinks rape is a naughty kink or will forgive and forget if the seme is hot.
I feel like this is a very big cup of tea. Sounds like she a sjw （￣へ￣） ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I spoke to soon and didn't see the comment under this, this is a boatload of tea(⊙…⊙ )
Calling people "sjw" because they think rape being portrayed in such a tactless and illogical fiction in manga/manhwa is honestly so odd. Shotacon has been made illegal in many countries, rightly so, are those that are against this "fiction" also "sjw" fucking hell. Countries like Japan and Korea especially have major major issues with domestic violence and sexual crime victims not being respected, then the lack of lgb rights also, so normalising rape and homophobic tropes in a major fictional outlet isnt the best.
*fashion not fiction.
You're right, but calling her an sjw is less about her hating rape and more about the way she goes about things.
This is nothing, click her username and go to her topics. To her credit there're some normal ones, but you can very easily see that she's an sjw while scrolling through... There's a lot of bitching followed by "It's my opinion"... cliche af. And that's just HER topic, i promise you with firsthand knowledge that she has a MUCH bigger presence in others' topics... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Could you just stop with this "sjw" nonsense please ?Its a poor attempt to shut down conversation on what is a controversial trope.
I'm not discussing the trope though, I'm discussing Yumiswife. And she IS an sjw, very clearly.
Marmite, I'm going to ask you ahead of time to reread my OP and see what's being discussed. I'm not talking about the rape trope, the topic is Yumiswife. The replies aren't talking about the rape trope either. If you continue to harass me or the replies with anti rape dialogue I'll block you. Yes, it's harrassment if you repeatedly spam something at us that's besides the topic, it's you trying to get a rise and derail the discussion.
Dam, you're right, Σ( ￣□￣||)
I know, it's crazy. (▰˘◡˘▰)
I love how it's changed to "For OUR Love" now that they're dating! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Oh my godddd I hadn't noticed and now my heart is exploding
I didn't notice that either! That is so cute!(≧∀≦)
Yes! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Can someone else pleeeease do the summary, it's barely eligible. I literally don't know anything from that summary other than "old man", "different world", "reincarnation" and "vr". It makes me apprehensive to even read this because I'm worried the translation will be like that.
The uke seduced HIM before telling him he's a sex worker, raped HIM first when he passed out, they kept having sex with the seme growing feelings, they have that little jealousy argument where the uke basically tells him he's just like the customers when he makes the comparison saying he wears condoms with everyone and the seme, seme is hurt and decides to spite fuck the girl because he's been bitter for awhile now after having literally seen the marks left on the uke's body during sex with other men himself, then he sees the uke with another man right in front of him... the uke has been leading him on, he knew the seme was getting jealous too, because during the jealousy fight scene you see his face light up as he gets his hopes up before the seme lies and says he was just worried about STDs... anyways, this'll all clear up soon.
So you’re saying the seme lied and hurt the uke, after the uke told him he was a sex worker he still decided to meet him on many occasions then continued the sex affair. He’s a consenting a adult who had various options to leave, he just now decided that he’s going to retaliate against something he clearly knew about? It’s not like he didn’t know the uke’s profession.
I mean, yeah, he hurt the uke's feelings with his lie. After the uke raped him in his sleep before telling him the next morning that he works in the sex industry even though they'd just met and hadn't talked about how the uke only does safe sex. He could've been the type to do it raw for all he knew. Hell, what if the seme preferred not to have sex with a sex worker? Anyways, the uke's hurt feelings were followed by the uke hurting the seme's feelings by comparing him to customers. Your adult argument can be applied to the uke as well, he didn't have to keep working as a sex worker when he saw that it was an issue to the seme. The uke is leading him on. The seme's behavior is bad, but so is the uke's. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Why should he leave the sex working industry for a guy who doesn’t date him or even confessed his feelings to him? In reality the seme IS like a customer because have you realized that all they do is have sex? The difference between the sex part the seme had no objections but the uke did. The uke owes him nothing, he’s stayed consistent the whole time. You can’t just decide to control someone because you like them, the seme fucked someone as well but he’s acting as though the uke betrayed him. It’s HIS JOB, that the seme was aware of. Instead of crying about it he should tell the uke he doesn’t like his profession then act on how the uke responds.
Yeah, i was never arguing that his choice of actions was the best course he could've taken, just that his actions are a result of the uke's. I agree that he should've just confessed. The uke could have communicated as well. It's on both of them.
I'm holding off on hating him for now. It looked like he raped him on purpose, but if he was just overcome like he said then it was an accident. He apologized after. My whole issue is that i don't think he was telling the truth. He was out of control, but took him home instead of just raping him where they stood? He used condoms? The way he was talking too, it came across sketchy. He was asking him questions while raping him like it was nothing, didn't look torn up about what was happening during, just after. We'll see if it was all intentional soon. Him going to China can't really be helped, it's for his future. I won't hold that against him if he's not flippant about leaving the MC behind.
I mean if I were in any kind of relationship with someone they better tell me if they are leaving the country for several years so I can choose to continue this relationship or not. It was a completely shitty thing that he didn't tell him, it was kind of like just ignoring the omega dude's needs and his own future and potential relationships for his shitty alpha sexual needs, he was very very selfish in not telling him, especially since it looked like he knew he was going to China for a long time. Also, he really did not look like he was planning on telling him that he was leaving anyways. Also rape is rape my dude, just because you can't help it doesn't change that fact.
I mean, yeah, it was still rape, but if you're trying to make the argument that the scenario in which he purposely took him away while in heat with the intention of raping him is equally as bad as the scenario in which it was an accident then i can only think there is a problem there. As far as not telling him he's moving, maybe he was only starting to like him towards the end there? They met through rape... it's not like he'd immediately be in love. Maybe he thought they were just sex friends for a bit, and why would he tell someone he's just sleeping with something personal like that? They didn't seem to know each other long. Also, are we assuming he's only just now found out he's going to china? I imagine it was a decision made before the rape. If he had existing plans to go to china even before he met him then that changes things too.
I think you should consider other perspectives more. Just my thought. (▰˘◡˘▰)
I guess I should try to consider other people's perspective more but, here is the thing, to the person who was raped, it feels the same. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or unintentional to the victim. But, I suppose, this is just a story and the victim seems totally over it so I guess I should chill out on that aspect. It is just that, if I get raped and the dude is like "oh man, I literally couldn't control doing that to you, I am sorry," I would still press charges and we would go to court. And, if you read what I wrote, I mentioned that it seems like he had known about this decision to move to China for quite a while. And I also assumed that they were totally never in love, it was a purely sexual relationship, however it was an ongoing one right? I am just saying, if people are in any kind or stage of a relationship at all, they should tell the other person they are leaving, not only their loved ones right? This person is investing their time with you as well as a few emotions to a degree, telling them in advanced would help. This is just my perspective though,and it isn't always right.
Also, I just feel its kind of shitty not to tell the person you are in some sort of relationship with that you are leaving for an extended period of time.
I feel like you're basing your perspective on our reality though, you're saying that if a guy raped you and said he wasn't in control that you'd still press charges, but that isn't quite the reality of what happened if he's telling the truth. It's not just that he was out of control, it's also that the MC went into heat in the middle of a class of guys and their perspectives are probably different in that regard since alphas and omegas are an established societal norm. It's like, yes, if irl you were raped and the guy said sorry and that he was out of control you'd press charges, but would you react the same way if you were an omega, you knew how alphas literally can't control themselves around the pheromones you give off and you ended up in the situation that you'd been told could happen and had even been trained to avoid? Maybe, maybe not. I'm inclined to think people would be more understanding of this considering how humans view irl cases of heat/rape/knotting. Of course, that's not an entirely accurate comparison since there aren't any cases involving humans, it's just animals that still behave in this way instinctually. Notice how no one doea anything about it though? Cats, for example. A male cat will bite the back of a female's neck while she's in heat and rape her, but this is normal because we understand that it's just instinct. Maybe a good way to look at it is l, like, irl would you be mad if you and a guy were kidnapped and the kidnapper forced the guy to have sex with you? Because the situation is similar, in both cases the male is being controlled by an outside force.
Serial rapists also literally can not help themselves, they are under compulsion. They have mental health issues but alas, they are not lying either when they say they couldn't help but. But, you are right, it would probably be treated differently in this universe.
Serial rapists are mentally unstable, i wouldn't say that comparing mental disorders to instinct an accurate comparison. Instinct is born of biology and the need to procreate is what leads to instincts like what cats or, in this case, alphas show.
When female cats are in heat, their goal is to procreate and at that point they are willing to do it with the male cat. The male cat as well only approaches the female when she is in heat. A male cat would not approach a female that is not in heat. Females in heat go out to prowl for a mate as well. Unlike humans, felines don't actually have sex for pleasure, once again, their only goal is to reproduce. It was not an unwilling event. It was not rape for the cats. They think and feel differently from humans. Why it looks like the female cat is in distress is probably because of the spikes in the male's penis. Those can irritate the female cat and therefore she would swipe him after the deed is done. It is a reaction to the pain. The spikes are there to possibly increase ovulation. And the male cat only knots to get a higher chance for the egg to actually fertilize. So after the male cat ejaculates, it is the females decision on whether or not she wants that male's specific sperm because she can immediately leave. If she does immediately leave it is highly likely that his sperm would not fertilize the egg. She must stay awhile. It is actually very dangerous for male cats to rape female cats and it is extremely uncommon. This would be because the female will fight aggressively on her back with all four paws and the male cat would have only two as his hind legs would be on the floor, if he injures his paw he will be unlikely to be able to hunt for a while and actually starve. And yeah, male acts, they do the whole neck biting thing too to make the female stay, basically cat procreation is unpleasant but not unwanted and happens only when the female is in heat. Gah, I am tired of this argument, I guess let's agree to disagree. See ya!
https://www.petplace.com/article/cats/vet-qa-parent/vet-qa/can-an-intact-male-cat-sexually-assault-my-spayed-cat/
Did you just google cat mating habits for this? More importantly, all that^ "isn't rape"? What? :^D Okay, whatever makes your argument right. If you want to stop then we can.