youraedthiswrogn October 2, 2018 11:37 am

*he doesn't like me romantically*
*seems he's using me for sex*

-decides to play hard to get-

(⊙…⊙ )

Bish, you JUST acknowledged that the dude isn't really into you... Why would playing hard to get be a good strategy here? You're taking away the only thing you just acknowledged is keeping him near you... You don't play hard to get when YOU are the one who stands to lose more. Lol, now he's going to start pulling away. Why bother with you rather than find someone easier? This aught to be good.

    Fujiyoshi October 2, 2018 1:54 pm

    I seconded that.

    First of all, Doyoon is clearly looking for SEX partner when he took it the wrong way. Secondly he's blackmailing Doyoon into an unwanted relationship. After all that he wanted Doyoon to consider HIS feeling??? WTF XDDDDD

youraedthiswrogn October 2, 2018 3:33 am

Sign me up.

youraedthiswrogn October 1, 2018 10:12 am

Those are some vivid fantasies you're having there bud. Nice dream too. Hopefully he realizes here soon...

youraedthiswrogn October 1, 2018 4:22 am

Damn hot.

youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 9:04 pm

He considered sucking his dick, he's into cute things, he's all blushy, he's the passive one during sex, etc.

youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 9:34 pm

I think it means that Bum has finally become a 2nd special person to Sangwoo. A separate entity from his mother. I mean, he's been for awhile, but Sangwoo's just now fully accepting of it. I think that's what he meant by "you aren't her" and by the bj and telling Bum "i'm going through a rough time". Previously he couldn't blow Bum, but he resisted being an asshole to Bum for shoving his dick in Sangwoo's face so he said "i win". He "won" against his instinct to lash out, remember the gay dude at the bar that put his dick in Sangwoo's face and Sangwoo beat his ass then killed him later? Now he managed to actually do it. I think it's symbolism. At that time he'd been testing the waters to see if he's Bi, then he was faced with a similar situation where Bum was asking for it and he was trying to do it, but couldn't, however he managed not to lash out at Bum and now he's finally managed to do it.

P.S. Here's my comment showing the buildup of Sangwoo's feelings: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/3159128/

youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 11:45 am

It follows the story's buildup well. We've reached the point where Bum is really important to Sangwoo and now he's being more obvious about it. It's as he said, he thought Bum would like his "present" and didn't want Bum to hate him. He left originally because he was upset that Bum didn't like it and then came back because he was worried Bum would hate him more if he stayed away any longer. I think people got so used to reading into everything early on that now that Sangwoo is literally saying how he's feeling no one believes it's true or they try to read into it. People keep waiting for the big surprise even when crazy shit happens. Bum's uncle was just killed, we saw Bum go a little crazy and we just saw Sangwoo cut up and dispose of Bum's uncle's body while Bum was watching a movie, but people are still thinking that Sangwoo is up to something despite all that just happened and Sangwoo's behavior being supported by the buildup of the story. Their relationship has changed. A lot. He's willing to blow Bum now, judging by his struggle with that earlier, that's a pretty significant thing. I think it means he's finally 100% on board with his feelings for Bum, he's even talking about how he feels out loud, that's crazy.

    Ceejay September 28, 2018 11:51 am

    I FEEL AND 100% AGREE WITH YA GURL oh m yg OD that "pity me too" line LIKE damn son

    Ceejay September 28, 2018 11:51 am

    but still im so scared it might not be like that lol

    yeet September 28, 2018 12:05 pm

    That's what ya'll thought before the end of S2 and when he said "I win" in this season as well.

    youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 12:07 pm
    That's what ya'll thought before the end of S2 and when he said "I win" in this season as well. yeet

    Yeah, he's been progressively treating him better and better.

    yeet September 28, 2018 12:09 pm
    Yeah, he's been progressively treating him better and better. youraedthiswrogn

    I ain't trusting him until he tells Bum his whole past.

    youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 12:28 pm
    I ain't trusting him until he tells Bum his whole past. yeet

    That's understandable, it's not like i'm not iffy at times too, but the story has sold me on Sangwoo caring for Bum and i can see how that might not be the case for others.

    yeet September 28, 2018 12:41 pm
    That's understandable, it's not like i'm not iffy at times too, but the story has sold me on Sangwoo caring for Bum and i can see how that might not be the case for others. youraedthiswrogn

    It's not that I'm completely denying what you think, I'm just done believing or trusting something, I did it in S2 when he calls for Bum in the police car, but then ended up hurting him at the end, I did it before he said that he would've won and I did it when they went skiing which also didn't end up well.
    Koogi is throwing shades of his past there and there, but I guess I'm just too curious to finally know what exactly happend.

    Lily September 28, 2018 1:02 pm

    Thank god, sometimes it seems like some people are reading something else..

    Ceejay September 28, 2018 1:22 pm

    i just really hope that's the case. the build up is really good, like we saw him in a sort of denial state with how he was treating bum, then testing the waters, then now it seems like he's the one who's needy.

    youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 8:57 pm
    It's not that I'm completely denying what you think, I'm just done believing or trusting something, I did it in S2 when he calls for Bum in the police car, but then ended up hurting him at the end, I did it bef... yeet

    I think you're applying the normal scale of "hurt" to them when the examples you just gave were normal to them. I'm assuming that you mean the rough sex after the skiiing? You have to keep in mind that Sangwoo had never had sex with a guy, he doesn't know how to do all of that. If you look back, he's always been rough and while many viewed it as rape i saw it as that he thought he could just go in and Bum never said it hurt. It actually shows Bum trying to hide the pain because he's happy he got to do it at all. The calls were just another instance of rough sex, yes in this one he was a little pissed, but you have to keep in mind that he kept him around still. He's a serial killer, he almost got caught, but didn't just kill him and be done with it. He's still pleased that Bum chose him and lied for him. Now he's realized that Bum "just isn't her" (his mother) and now he's actually acknowledging Bum as Bum, not as the guy who reminds him of his mother. Bum has become a separate second special person to him.

    youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 9:15 pm
    i just really hope that's the case. the build up is really good, like we saw him in a sort of denial state with how he was treating bum, then testing the waters, then now it seems like he's the one who's needy. Ceejay

    Yes, i actually have a comment on the buildup of Sangwoo's feelings here: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/3159128/

    yeet September 28, 2018 9:56 pm
    I think you're applying the normal scale of "hurt" to them when the examples you just gave were normal to them. I'm assuming that you mean the rough sex after the skiiing? You have to keep in mind that Sangwoo ... youraedthiswrogn

    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-32/

    Uh no, sorry to break it to you but that was rape.
    Chap 20 as well. Chap 35 as well. "No", "Don't" and "Stop"≠Consensual.
    Rape is rape. I guess Bum's uncle also normal sex, since Bum didn't stop and it didn't even hurt? No. I see what you're meaning, but still.

    yeet September 28, 2018 9:58 pm

    *Bum'd uncle also had normal sex w/ him.

    yeet September 28, 2018 9:58 pm

    's


    lmao

    yeet September 28, 2018 9:59 pm

    *told him to stop

    grammar oof

    youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 10:32 pm
    http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-32/Uh no, sorry to break it to you but that was rape.Chap 20 as well. Chap 35 as well. "No", "Don't" and "Stop"≠Consensual.Rape is rape. I ... yeet

    Well yeah, by the definition it is, but Bum definitely wanted to have sex with Sangwoo all of those times, it just hurt. If we're talking emotions, there was consent. Bum didn't want sex with his uncle.

    yeet September 28, 2018 10:44 pm
    Well yeah, by the definition it is, but Bum definitely wanted to have sex with Sangwoo all of those times, it just hurt. If we're talking emotions, there was consent. Bum didn't want sex with his uncle. youraedthiswrogn

    No.
    Chap 20, he backed and told him to stop.
    Chap 35 Sangwoo slapped and punched him and didn't stop when Bum told him to.
    Chap 43(?), Bum screamed and told him to stop.
    Nowhere was it shown that Bum wanted it except maybe Chap 43, but that was after he bit his neck open. If someone doesn't want to, then it's rape.

    yeet September 28, 2018 10:45 pm

    *backed away

    yeet September 28, 2018 10:47 pm

    Talking about emotions, they aren't even legit if Bum already tried to escape several time, but was always brought back against his will. Bum simply doesn't think much of himself and still doesn't realize what the real deal is.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 1:37 am

    um... Yeet, i'm not here to argue whether or not it was rape, that isn't even what the topic was about. Please allow me to have my own opinion without having to continuously explain myself. I already explained why i think the way i do, if you disagree then it's just a matter of perspective, that's just your opinion, don't push it on me.

    yeet September 29, 2018 2:24 am

    And I said way before that I'm not denying what you thought.
    But we were just talking if it was rape or not so pls inform yourself what's consensual sex and not because such comments are triggering.

    yeet September 29, 2018 2:33 am

    And I said way before that I'm not denying what you thought.
    But we were just talking if it was rape or not so pls inform yourself what's consensual sex and not because such comments are triggering.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:30 am
    And I said way before that I'm not denying what you thought.But we were just talking if it was rape or not so pls inform yourself what's consensual sex and not because such comments are triggering. yeet

    Um... Go be triggered elsewhere? I'm not going to tiptoe around you. There is nothing to "inform" myself about, i know what consensual sex is, i just disagree with you that this wasn't. You seem to think that words are the end-all-tell-all, but i think emotions and intentions are what matter and i think that Bum wanted sex with Sangwoo even if it hurt. I also don't think Sangwoo really knows how to do anal. Lets make the comparison you made earlier, Sangwoo and Bum's uncle, there is a clear difference in how Bum feels about them and how he reacts to the thought of sex with either of them. If we know for a fact that Bum doesn't want sex with his uncle and he acts like that, but isn't the same around Sangwoo, what does that tell you? Yes, Bum says all those things, but it pretty clearly shows that he wants the sex.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:48 am
    And I said way before that I'm not denying what you thought.But we were just talking if it was rape or not so pls inform yourself what's consensual sex and not because such comments are triggering. yeet

    Also, we weren't "talking about if it was consensual sex"... What happened was that a small portion of my response to you mentioned how everyone views the sex scenes as just rape, it wasn't even the focus of that response, and you immediately jumped my ass about "it was rape" and now "inform yourself about what consensual sex is" and "this is triggering"... I think you should see the issue here, and it's not me... The focus of that response was "i think you're applying the normal scale of hurt to them when that is normal to them", i then went on to explain that Bum has gone out of his way to hide his pain, which'd explain why Sangwoo hasn't changed how he has sex. I VERY briefly mentioned that people say it's rape, it was a passing thought. You also haven't really given me any reason to side with your belief, i KNOW the story, i know what was said and done. It's not ME ignoring things, it's you ignoring how, despite all these happenings Bum still treats him like his bf, was still blushing/panting/yelling Sangwoo's name during all of the sex scenes, etc. You're ONLY looking at the words, not his behavior, i'm taking it ALL in.

    yeet September 29, 2018 12:56 pm

    Bullshit. YOU need to see the issue here.
    The reason is obvious. Bum loved Sangwoo because he saved him in the military, Bum is not fine when Sangwoo is hurting him nor does he like the real, abusive Sangwoo.
    He said no which means no.
    "But it pretty clearly shows that he wants the sex".

    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/81/
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/82/
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/87/
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/112/
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/113/
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/115/

    Where?? Are u blind?

    And you've just proven what I meant.
    People can experience orgasms during rape.
    That doesn't mean that they wanted it. It's how the body works.
    Consensual sex means that the involved gave content.
    Bum never gave content.Period.

    yeet September 29, 2018 12:57 pm

    *consent

    yeet September 29, 2018 1:01 pm

    I'm also not ignoring anything, you've fallen into Koogi's trap of believing that it's romantic or healthy which it isn't. It's abusive a physically, sexually and verbally way. The last time it happend in the story was like, a few days ago. Sangwoo now changing doean't mean he's Bum's bf. Nothing can change the fact what he did to Bum and he'll realize it after his flashback, with how he remember that his mom loved his father even though he abused her.

    yeet September 29, 2018 1:02 pm

    *in a

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 7:57 pm
    Bullshit. YOU need to see the issue here.The reason is obvious. Bum loved Sangwoo because he saved him in the military, Bum is not fine when Sangwoo is hurting him nor does he like the real, abusive Sangwoo.He ... yeet

    You're cherry picking, here, i'll point out the parts that make it obvious that Bum wanted the sex even though he was acting like he doesn't... Also, to be clear, i KNOW that an orgasm doesn't mean it was consensual, that is a strawman. My argument was that it WAS consensual.

    1. In ch 35, here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/147/

    2. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/148/

    3. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/153/

    This is what i was talking about when i said you're ignoring things, cherry picking scenes doesn't help your argument when i can go through the same scene and find evidence to DIRECTLY contradict what you're saying. Bum gave consent, just wordlessly. You know how you can allow people to do things without talking? The same applies to sex and before you say it... No, it's not because he didn't stop him that it's consensual, it's because he wanted it and because he wanted it he didn't stop him. Again, my argument is that it WAS consensual, nothing else.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 8:07 pm

    In addition to what i said above, if you go past page 115 (the farthest you seem to have read of a scene that literally goes on to page 160...), you'll notice that it seems like the reason he's saying "no!" and stuff is because 1. They're outside, that seems to be a huge problem to Bum as, as soon as they're inside he's panting and yelling Sangwoo's name. And 2. Because of what i had said earlier, Sangwoo just went in without preparing him. He doesn't know how to do anal.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 8:29 pm

    I'll also cover the scenes in ch 20 and 43.

    In ch 20:

    1. Sangwoo goes to pull out and Bum says "N-no!": http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c020/pg-4/

    2. Yelling Sangwoo's name: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c020/pg-5/

    It isn't until he finds out it's a dildo that he gets upset, this implies he was okay with the pain if it was Sangwoo inside.

    In ch 43:

    1. it's Bum that initiates the sex here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-22/

    2. He literally just starts sucking Sangwoo off: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-23/

    3. Calling Sangwoo's name: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-24/

    4. He starts jerking off to Sangwoo: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-27/

    This scene is again, just Sangwoo not doing it right, he just goes in and it hurts.

    yeet September 29, 2018 9:02 pm

    I can't take you seriously, I just can't. Fucking disgusting.

    "In Chap, here:" Are u deaf? I said before that ppl can experience orgasms during rape. Sangwoo told him to shut up because he knows that what he does to Bum is rape.

    "In addition to what i said above, if you go past page 115 (the farthest you seem to have read of a scene that literally goes on to page 160...), you'll notice that it seems like the reason he's saying "no!" and stuff is because 1. They're outside, that seems to be a huge problem to Bum as, as soon as they're inside he's panting and yelling Sangwoo's name. And 2. Because of what i had said earlier, Sangwoo just went in without preparing him. He doesn't know how to do anal."

    Uh, no? That asshole slapped and punched him and didn't stop when he tols him to stop, ofc he wouldn't want to have sex when that guy just abused him. Jesus Christ.

    "Sangwoo goes to pull out and Bum says "N-no!":"

    No, Bum said no because Sangwoo said "I guess you were acting like you wanted me".

    " Yelling Sangwoo's name:"

    Doesn't matter, Bum's emotions give no consent as he tried to escape several times before, but the BPD, Stockholm Syndrome and Abuse fucked him up.

    "It isn't until he finds out it's a dildo that he gets upset, this implies he was okay with the pain if it was Sangwoo inside."

    That also doesn't matter, he stopped giving consent when he backed away.

    "it's Bum that initiates the sex here"

    He wanted to pay back the money.

    "He literally just starts sucking Sangwoo off:"

    Same as above.

    "Calling Sangwoo's name"

    He tried to cheer him up.

    "He starts jerking off to Sangwoo"

    We don't know what he jerked off to, that's your own headcanon.

    Like, I said, it wasn't consensual and the way how Koogi drew Sangwoo's face and then him smiling while Bum screams shows it. He didn't give a fuck about giving Bum pleasure. The BJ in the new chapter was the first time where he had intentions of giving him pleasure(well to not make him leave). But that above? Yup.Rape. Not even starting to talk how he bit his neck, making him bleed.

    yeet September 29, 2018 9:04 pm

    I'm sorry for coming off so rude, I just hate Rape Apologists.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 9:07 pm
    I can't take you seriously, I just can't. Fucking disgusting."In Chap, here:" Are u deaf? I said before that ppl can experience orgasms during rape. Sangwoo told him to shut up because he knows that what he doe... yeet

    "fucking disgusting", okay if you're going to start being a bitch you can go. Catch this block and in the future try not to be such a pretentious sjw cunt.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 9:09 pm

    Sorry for being so rude, i just hate illogical sjws who disregard the details that don't fit their narrative.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 9:17 pm

    You literally just said nothing i brought forward matters, even though literally all of it clearly shows Bum wanted the sex. You then just speculated on how Bum feels. "of course he doesn't want to have sex with him". Lol. Okay, well the evidence i gave that comes AFTER the punch says otherwise. He said "N-no" when Sangwoo went to pull out, clearly. Literally it shows Sangwoo go to pull out and he says "N-no" and then starts moaning when Sangwoo thrusts back in... You're delusional. You're literally just saying things aren't how they are. I thought, despite noticing how much of an sjw you are early on, that i could talk and show you explicit evidence, but you're even denying that. My mistake, your kind can't be reasoned with.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 9:20 pm

    "of course he doesn't want to have sex with him", bitch, he's obsessed with Sangwoo and has a mental disorder that makes him extreme... He's obsessive. He doesn't CARE if it hurts or if he's punched.

    why September 29, 2018 9:32 pm

    bitch u thought lmao.
    Guess your sorryass can't handle someone proving you wrong.
    Block me after my answer again if you're that pathetic.

    "Sjw cunt" lmaooo whut, I just hate assholes like you excusing rape.
    "buh muh sangwoo can't be a rapist he so hot, but bum uncle ugly so he rapist buh" lmao.

    "You literally just said nothing i brought forward matters, even though literally all of it clearly shows Bum wanted the sex."

    Are you pretending, or are you retarded? He said no, don't and stop several times.

    "He said "N-no" when Sangwoo went to pull out, clearly. Literally it shows Sangwoo go to pull out and he says "N-no" and then starts moaning when Sangwoo thrusts back in... You're delusional"

    You seem to be the delusional one. He simply answered him.

    "You're literally just saying things aren't how they are. I thought, despite noticing how much of an sjw you are early on, that i could talk and show you explicit evidence, but you're even denying that. My mistake, your kind can't be reasoned with."

    What even?? He didn't give consent, that's canon, that's how Bum wrote it and yet you're bullshiting with you fujoshi bitchass and act like he wanted it. LIKE I SAID PEOPLE CAN EXPERIENCE ORGASMS DURING RAPE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WANTED IT.

    "bitch, he's obsessed with Sangwoo and has a mental disorder that makes him extreme... He's obsessive. He doesn't CARE if it hurts or if he's punched."

    Doesn't care?? If he doesn't care if its hurts, then he wouldn't scream "No!" and "Don't!".
    Doesn't care if he's punched??
    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c004/13/
    Yeah bitch, sure looks like it.

    Bum is no fucking machine or toy. He has a major inferiority complex and always thinks that he is at fault. He still clearly ain't okay with getting raped and abused.

    why September 29, 2018 9:35 pm

    And yet I said sorry to a bitch like you. Just block me. Don't even answer me. I don't want to get infected with your retardness.

    why September 29, 2018 9:36 pm

    *that's how Koogi wrote it

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:41 pm

    "retardness", looks like you've already been infected.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:48 pm

    I think the original carrier of "retardness" is you and you can bet i'm blocking the alternate account you made just so that you could message back another round of bullshit that doesn't "prove" anything. What you keep ignoring is that there is a pattern in the sex scenes here, it's always rough AT FIRST with Bum seemingly not wanting it and then within a few pages it reveals that he wants it. ALL OF THE EVIDENCE I GAVE IS LATER IN THE SCENES THAN THE EVIDENCE YOU GAVE, meaning his true feelings were displayed after some rape fantasy was displayed, but i guess you're too idiotic to comprehend that. In general what comes later is more relevant as the person has time to process everything.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:52 pm

    Go ahead, make ANOTHER account so you can message back you sorry bitch. Also, you didn't "say sorry", you passive-aggressively told me i'm a rape apologist.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:53 pm

    And you disliked my comment... Omg you're petty.

    youraedthiswrogn September 29, 2018 11:54 pm

    My comment isn't even about whether or not it's rape

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:09 am
    bitch u thought lmao.Guess your sorryass can't handle someone proving you wrong.Block me after my answer again if you're that pathetic."Sjw cunt" lmaooo whut, I just hate assholes like you excusing rape."buh mu... why

    Also, no shit he didn't LIKE being punched, but you're trying to make that flow naturally into "oh, well he must not want to have sex with him because he didn't like the punch", that isn't the case. He didn't like the punch, he did like the sex. He doesn't like being hit, but he's obsessed with Sangwoo and chooses to stay with him despite everything, and now it's paying off as they're getting more tender. Again, he's OBSESSED, he's okay with ANYTHING Sangwoo does to him if Sangwoo is the tradeoff.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:12 am

    "looks like you've already been infected"
    I think the original carrier of "retardness" is you"

    Ironic.I'm not the one who's excusing rape here ;)).

    "What you keep ignoring is that there is a pattern in the sex scenes here, it's always rough AT FIRST with Bum seemingly not wanting it and then within a few pages it reveals that he wants it. ALL OF THE EVIDENCE I GAVE IS LATER IN THE SCENES THAN THE EVIDENCE YOU GAVE, meaning his true feelings were displayed after some rape fantasy was displayed, but i guess you're too idiotic to comprehend that. In general what comes later is more relevant as the person has time to process everything."

    THATS EXACTLY NOT FUCKIN THE CASE.
    I told you X TIMES that raped victims can experience orgasms during the rape, you saying "it's always rough AT FIRST with Bum seemingly not wanting it and then within a few pages it reveals that he wants it. ALL OF THE EVIDENCE I GAVE IS LATER IN THE SCENES THAN THE EVIDENCE YOU GAVE" IS BULLSHIT. The longer the rape goes, the longer is the penetration and the easier is it for the body of the victim to react to it as "normal sex" which it it isn't. Seriously go inform yourself about whats rape and what no, don't and stop means.

    "Go ahead, make ANOTHER account so you can message back you sorry bitch. Also, you didn't "say sorry", you passive-aggressively told me i'm a rape apologist."

    I said before that I was sorry for being rude and yet you blocked my ass, hell, I've no reason to be sorry to begin with, I was stating facts.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:14 am
    Also, no shit he didn't LIKE being punched, but you're trying to make that flow naturally into "oh, well he must not want to have sex with him because he didn't like the punch", that isn't the case. He didn't l... youraedthiswrogn

    LIKE I SAID PEOPLE CAN EXPERIENCE ORGASMS DURING RAPE, BUM GOT ONE AND THOUGHT THE DAY LATER THAT IT WAS NORMAL SEX, SANGWOO TOLD HIM TO SHUT UP WHEN IT HAPPEND BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT WHAT HE DID IS WRONG. BUM IS NEVER OKAY WITH ANYTHING SANGWOO DOES TO HIM, HE CAN'T STOP IT AND DO ANYTHING AGAINST IT.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:16 am

    Also, someone who slaps and punches you and then goes in without your consent, is raping you, Period. We can keep this on forever bih.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:17 am

    Not to mention that its the guy who broke your legs, hang you, almost drown you, etc ;).
    But your kinks seem to be that rape is consensual lol.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:19 am
    "looks like you've already been infected"I think the original carrier of "retardness" is you"Ironic.I'm not the one who's excusing rape here ;))."What you keep ignoring is that there is a pattern in the sex sce... ;)))

    No, you said "i'm sorry for being rude. I just don't like rape apologists"... Also, It's really not bullshit... Bum was yelling his name and saying "i like you" AFTER your evidence, is that normal in rape victims too? I love how you keep repeating "rape victims can orgasm too" like i didn't already address that argument with exactly what i've just said in this response... Rape victims don't look like they're enjoying it like that, they don't yell the person's name as they cum and they don't yell "i like you"...

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:22 am
    No, you said "i'm sorry for being rude. I just don't like rape apologists"... Also, It's really not bullshit... Bum was yelling his name and saying "i like you" AFTER your evidence, is that normal in rape victi... youraedthiswrogn

    Dude. Bum is a confused case with BPD, etc. He loved the kind Sangwoo because he saved him and also tried to escape several times when he realized what Sangwoo is.
    He tries to stay alive and get affection and his mind is so fucked up from everyone abusing him, that he can't tell what's real affection and abuse.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:23 am

    Yes, they can cum during rape, but they usually have a look of fear/agony on their face the ENTIRE time, they don't call out the person's name while cumming (he wasn't even provoked to yell Sangwoo's name...) and they sure as hell don't yell out "i like you". Check mate bitch, there goes your last argument. I had ALREADY countered it A LONG WAYS BACK, but since you keep trying to use it let me put it in the spotlight for you while i smash it.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:25 am
    Yes, they can cum during rape, but they usually have a look of fear/agony on their face the ENTIRE time, they don't call out the person's name while cumming (he wasn't even provoked to yell Sangwoo's name...) a... youraedthiswrogn

    I JUST SAID THAT BUM IS A CONFUSED CASE WITH BPD AND STOCKHOLM SYNDROME JESUS CHRIST.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:26 am
    Dude. Bum is a confused case with BPD, etc. He loved the kind Sangwoo because he saved him and also tried to escape several times when he realized what Sangwoo is.He tries to stay alive and get affection and hi... ;)))

    He's not "confused" about loving Sangwoo, it has explicitly shown him say "i like you" throughout the entire manga and it has explicitly shown that his love is obsessive in the flashback where he fell in love with that chick who was being abused. You saying all that is just speculation.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:26 am
    I JUST SAID THAT BUM IS A CONFUSED CASE WITH BPD AND STOCKHOLM SYNDROME JESUS CHRIST. ;)))

    I was replying when you wrote that...

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:28 am
    He's not "confused" about loving Sangwoo, it has explicitly shown him say "i like you" throughout the entire manga and it has explicitly shown that his love is obsessive in the flashback where he fell in love w... youraedthiswrogn

    No. He tried to escape several times before.
    He's definitely confused. Bum doesn't love the real, abusive Sangwoo.
    Only the one who gives him affection, but Bum can't tell who the real one is and not.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:31 am

    Me saying "he's in love with Sangwoo and is so obsessed with him that he has stayed with him" isn't speculation, he literally lied to the police for him. He's had chances to get away, but chose not to. He was JUST left alone for seemingly DAYS with his uncle and he wanted Sangwoo to come back. He has actually refused to go outside when Sangwoo told him to leave. Midway he refuses to leave: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c020/pg-2/

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:33 am
    http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c015/108/ ;)))

    Yes, and SINCE THEN he's had MANY opportunities to leave now that Sangwoo is more trusting of him, but he hasn't. You have a habit of only looking to the early.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 12:40 am

    Do you mean to Seungbae or the police?
    In Seungbae's case, Bum thought about Jieun and thinks that he can't escape.
    As for the police, Sangwoo made him lie and confused him when he said that they're a couple.
    Sangwoo didn't try to make him leave, it was a test and Bum didn't leave because he's afraid of the police that's why he was scared under the blanket.

    "Yes, and SINCE THEN he's had MANY opportunities to leave now that Sangwoo is more trusting of him, but he hasn't. You have a habit of only looking to the early."

    Bum has been obviously more brainwashed since the happenings of S1, but he's also blind and still sees the Sangwoo from the military in him. Sangwoo knows that Bum will leave as soon as he abuses him.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:51 am

    Also, you had said Sangwoo tells him to "shut up" in that scene in ch 35 because he knows he's raping Bum, but that clearly isn't the case. He is "punishing" Bum because he's mad, but by this time Bum is a weakspot of his so he's losing the conviction to punish him. He was going to do it outside, but he gave in to Bum and let them go inside which is when he heard Bum say "i like you" and you can visibly see him struggle with it. Look: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/149/

    Also, Bum goes to hold onto Sangwoo and it looks tender here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/151/

    He's telling Bum to "shut up" because he's supposed to be punishing Bum, but he's losing control. The same thing happened earlier when Sangwoo tried to impress Bum at the concert and he tried to manipulate Bum into praising him (i'll give the link), but Bum suddenly says he wants to "fondle him". Bum always does the unexpected and makes him lose his grip, he had been fighting it until now, thats what the bj and this latest chapter were about. He's accepting Bum now.

    Here is Bum showing he's in love: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c016.5/27/

    Here is where he says "i wanted to fondle you", lol. You see Sangwoo's eyes go wide and he suddenly loses control and gets horny before frantically fucking Bum's mouth: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c016.5/28/

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 12:59 am
    Do you mean to Seungbae or the police?In Seungbae's case, Bum thought about Jieun and thinks that he can't escape.As for the police, Sangwoo made him lie and confused him when he said that they're a couple.Sang... ;)))

    What? But didn't you just point out multiple pages where Sangwoo DOES abuse him and he stays? You've got a little plot hole there. Sangwoo is being nice to him because he has progressively become romantically interested in Bum, he abused him and exposed him to his killings to see if he'd leave to test his love, he has no reason to be abusive now that he knows how Bum feels. You're trying to say that Sangwoo is acting nice to Bum right now to keep that "nice Sangwoo" impression Bum remembers, but that entirely clashes with the entirety of the story and even the bits you yourself brought up. He has already shattered his "nice" image.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:02 am

    Have you read my other topic about Sangwoo? Look here: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/3159128/

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:09 am

    Look here too, it's funny because you see Sangwoo trying to be sexy and control the situation, but Bum is refusing to blow him properly because he's jealous of Jieun, so he throws Sangwoo off again by saying "did you do it with her?", he actually gives in a little and assures Bum he didn't, then he fucks his mouth. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c016.5/35/

    Sangwoo is REALLY weak to signs of love/loyalty, Bum throws him off all the time and now he's got Sangwoo wrapped around his finger. Sangwoo came back in this latest chapter because he was actually WORRIED BUM WOULD BE MAD that he was gone so long, that's crazy! Hell, even as far back as ch 16 you see that Sangwoo wanted Bum to praise him.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 1:11 am

    That didn't look tender to me, it was a desperate attempt of seeking for affection. But he stopped. Like here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c026/51/.
    Which is also why I said that he has a Major Inferiority Complex.

    Nice point, I already knew about Sangwoo not wanting to lose control tho.
    It was also before he raped him, not like it wasn't already healthy there, but it was at least sexually still kinda consensual.
    Which pages do u mean?
    But here;
    1.Chapter 4, Sangwoo abuses him, Bum tries to kill him with rat poison to escape.
    2.Chapter 7, Bum still tries to escape even though "things got better", he knows that Sangwoo is dangerous.
    Chapter 15, Bum tries to escape even though he was at the moment in no danger.
    It was Jieun's Death that shattered everything, someone like Bum who always gives himself the fault ofc wouldn't say anything to the police nor try to escape since Sangwoo could go and lie to the police.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:17 am

    Here is a page as early as chapter 5, he already had his legs smashed and saw Sangwoo kill, but he still says this: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c005/92/

    He was put off for a bit when he saw the real Sangwoo, but eventually decided he's okay as long as he has Sangwoo. The "nice Sangwoo" has been a non-issue since forever now. Now "nice Sangwoo" is just the reason he started loving Sangwoo.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:18 am

    He gets scared he's going to die, he doesn't want to die, that's why he tried to get away those times that you pointed out. Now he knows Sangwoo won't kill him.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:21 am

    In the early chapters he was struggling between his survival instincts and his love for Sangwoo, it wasn't until Sangwoo approved of him that he felt secure enough to be okay with staying because at the time Sangwoo was letting whether or not he'd die float up in the air.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 1:24 am
    Here is a page as early as chapter 5, he already had his legs smashed and saw Sangwoo kill, but he still says this: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c005/92/He was put off for a bit when he ... youraedthiswrogn

    Well he didn't saw Sangwoo kill yet, but yea.
    Also, that was still early, early obsessed Bum and the worse had yet to come at that time.
    Also, Chap 5, yes Bum shows his love, etc, but exactly 2 chapters later, he tries to escape, hell, Chap 6's cliffhanger has already shown that. While Bum was "okay" with the real Samgwoo, it was as long as he got affection from him and yet he tried to escape.
    Sangwoo was killing someone off screen on Chap 5 and Bum heard it, Sangwoo then kisses him and Bum took the chance. However, it doesn't mean anything if he literally had the intentions to escape a chapter later.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 1:26 am

    *Sangwoo

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:37 am

    See? He's specifically scared Sangwoo will kill him, but still wants to stay:

    Struggling with possibly dying:

    1. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/45/

    2. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/47/

    3. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c008/8/

    Struggling with loving Sangwoo:

    1. This page is a flashback to the military: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/35/

    2. THIS page, however is from their recent interactions and he views it as some of his fond memories of Sangwoo alongside the military memories: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/36/

    3. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/37/

    4. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/38/

    He just decided that his life was worth more than staying and possibly dying. I'm going to correct myself on something i said earlier, i had said "he's okay with anything Sangwoo does to him as long as the tradeoff is Sangwoo", but there is one exception. Dying. He's terrified of dying.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:40 am

    Now that dying is off the table he's much more receptive to Sangwoo. To be clear, it's not like he's OKAY with Sangwoo's crazy, he's just willing to tolerate it because, aside from death, Sangwoo tops everything else.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:44 am

    He only tries to escape when he thinks Sangwoo is going to kill him and even in those moments he calls for Sangwoo to save him: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c008/56/

    He calls for Sangwoo to save him while he's dying, do you still not think Bum loves him?

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:55 am

    I've shown you Bum saying he likes Sangwoo in all segments of the manga, beginning (ch 5), middle (ch 16.5) and end (ch 35). There is a lot more too. Hopefully that proves it.

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 1:56 am

    Hey i've gtg to work, see you in like 10 hours.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 1:57 am

    http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c006/5/
    He's also not okay with getting abused. He was also done with Sangwoo after he hang him, the scene you mentioned.

    "He only tries to escape when he thinks Sangwoo is going to kill him"

    But outside of Chap 4, he had those intentions in Chap 6-8 and 15.
    In Chap 6, he didn't think that he's going to kill him, he just knew that Sangwoo is crazy and in Chap 15 he even told 2 people twice that he's kidnapped, also no thoughts of Sangwoo killing him.

    "and even in those moments he calls for Sangwoo to save him"

    Sangwoo was the only who was there and the one doing it, so who else would Bum call for to *save him" aka stop hanging him?

    ;))) September 30, 2018 1:57 am
    Hey i've gtg to work, see you in like 10 hours. youraedthiswrogn

    same oof, bye

    youraedthiswrogn September 30, 2018 10:52 am
    http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c006/5/He's also not okay with getting abused. He was also done with Sangwoo after he hang him, the scene you mentioned."He only tries to escape when he thin... ;)))

    I agree, he'd rather not be abused as evidenced by everything you've shown, but everything i've shown indicates that he still loves Sangwoo and is choosing to be with him in addition to him not liking being abused. He sees it as worth it. Did you see how happy he was when Sangwoo said they're dating during the arrest scene? And now that Sangwoo is taking him on dates and stuff? It's worth it to him.

    ;))) September 30, 2018 11:51 am

    True.

youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 11:24 am

I'm SO ready for next chapter! If Seungwon doesn't take this chance i swear to god!! He's on a silver platter, go for it! No "friend" or straight guy would react that way to you saying you like looking at their mouth! He just put his face in your chest and said you're "confusing" him! DO IT! -barely managed not to actually shriek while reading, only for me to shriek in the comments section-

youraedthiswrogn September 27, 2018 7:20 pm

Jimin just roundabout rejected him, right? He said neither boyfriend or girlfriend, he just wants to be near him. I mean, it was all a positive thing, it seems. I had thought Jimin was romantically in love with him though? I guess if there is more we'll see what that ending meant? It'd be ironic if, by accepting their reality, they let blondie go nuts as the entire last chapter was about ignorant bliss and the pain it leaves you with...

    Yaoiforever1 September 27, 2018 10:12 pm

    No he didn't rejected him. He means that it doesn't matter how he is called. If boyfriend or girlfriend is completely unimportant for him

    youraedthiswrogn September 27, 2018 10:24 pm
    No he didn't rejected him. He means that it doesn't matter how he is called. If boyfriend or girlfriend is completely unimportant for him Yaoiforever1

    Yeah, that makes sense. What's confusing me is that there were people saying that the raws showed Blondie X Jimin being a thing endgame, so i've just been waiting for it to happen, only for the story to basically solidify Jimin X Hyunwoo... Idk what's going on anymore ship-wise. It's really sad that Blondie is so upset, though maybe i shouldn't show him sympathy if he's crazy...

    LadyBelle September 28, 2018 2:33 am

    Also the fact they went through a wedding, and while not legal, it would still be husband at this point. However, I think he is willing to go slow and just be a friend and help him heal first.

    youraedthiswrogn September 28, 2018 8:29 am
    Also the fact they went through a wedding, and while not legal, it would still be husband at this point. However, I think he is willing to go slow and just be a friend and help him heal first. LadyBelle

    That's true, though divorce could be what makes Blondie X Jimin a thing? The only reason i'm even still entertaining Blondie X Jimin is because some guy said that the raws show Blondie X Jimin, i guess they could've been lying though?

youraedthiswrogn September 25, 2018 12:23 pm

From how things look, it seems like HE fell for the MC first... It also seems like, to the MC at least, their relationship was going well. He even says he never expected to hear those words, no matter how much they fought. 10 years... There HAS to be more to this. Like maybe it was a shitty joke or something was forcing him? If anyone can spoil me, feel free.

    Riaya September 30, 2018 11:33 pm

    A month is too long for a shitty joke.... and you shouldn't pull an "I'm leaving you" joke with your lover in my opinion. I really hope Suhyeok has a good reason for breaking MC's heart...

    Nickname November 25, 2018 9:02 pm

    Sometimes people don’t need a huge reason to break up. Granted if I were a gay man in Korea and I was in a relationship for 10+ years I wouldn’t have broken up with my partner because of work but still. They were both busy and didn’t have time for each other, sometimes people break up people they get bored with one another. It be like that sometimes.

    Nickname November 25, 2018 9:03 pm

    *because Oof I’m high

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