The seme seems to be mentally unstable, he's a yandere, but to what degree hasn't been shown yet. We know he wants to monopolize his uke and would even "lock him up" if he could, but we haven't seen whether or not he poses any threat to others. People seem to be judging him through the lense of a normal relationship, but i think that what he's doing IS his way of showing his love. Was it rape? Sure. But something that has been made clear in the manga is how little interest he has in other people, both personally and sexually. The fact that he showed up desperate to have sex, to me, should be an indicator. People are also mad that he left (Possibly. He could be going to get a towel or something), but no one is mentioning or discussing the expression on his face after the sex and before he left (?), there was clear emphasis put on his expression and i think it means something, maybe he feels guilty?
No he is not going to get a towel by going out the front door. I'm sure he would've tried to find one in the house.
It looked to me like he was chocked by what he did. Either because he felt guilty or because he wasn't the kind of person to be that desperate for someone.
yes, he left... Why? Clearly he is overcome with some emotion.. I guess we have to wait and see what it is. Of course, I hate doormat submissives myself, so I would wish for Yuito to continue on with his life and friends , but that won't happen.. He has been changed....
I've seen it done in yaoi manga before, seme leaves to go get an after-sex care package from the nearby convenience store which makes the uke all angsty for a bit until he gets back and then fluffy rainbows.
haha, true... I wish that were true here,... this seme is more dark I think tho... and maybe damaged and more of a S... so we'll see. but I have also seen seme's walk away and start being cold and aloof, so I hope that's not it either... but it's something. haha
Am i the only one interested to see if Donghyun get's himself a guy? It was just interesting to me because he comes off really straight, but it looks like he has a crush on Siwon. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of his perspective, though i'm definitely shipping Siwon with Kang Jinha. Basically, i'd like to see Donghyun's side of his love for Siwon and then i'd like to see him fall for someone else. Donghyun gets really jealous/defensive over Siwon, i think its cute.
"i can't let you go, be my real wife?", -shock for like .5 seconds- "gladly"... It was just too ez. I mean, i guess they'd already done a lot, but that was all under the guise of a fake relationship... "straight".
That, and can we acknowledge how down the seme was with everything? At lot the uke was all shocked and hesitant, the seme was all "oh, morning wood? Well, fuck it. We might as well get you a nice handjob since we might as well show off a scene or two like this anyway. Yeah! You came on my face! That's an extra +50 gay points on top of the scene~" -completely okay with kissing a guy, giving a guy a handjob and even with said guy coming on his face- "straight"
At least*
I thought that there MIGHT be a backstory of how he had a crush on the uke and it some plan to win him...but nope, just two horny idgits who are down to fuck.
Exactly :^)
A lot of people here seem to feel like the point of the rape was to say "if you love me you'll do whatever i want", but in context it seemed obvious to me that he was trying to show him what their relationship will look like if things stay the way they are. Satoi was saying that if Soutarou refuses to look at him as anything more than an object of worship that it wouldn't really be a relationship at all, it'd just be one sided with Soutarou doing anything he can to please Satoi. Personally i don't think he handled the situation well at all, Satoi could've just told Soutarou that rather than demonstrate it with his body. If we're looking into reasons as to why Satoi raped Soutarou aside from the obvious "yaoi" reason, i think it would just come down to Satoi just being irritated and feeling like Soutarou isn't really possible to talk to. Soutarou has all these good intentions, but he never discusses these choices he makes for Satoi with Satoi and now the choices are even starting to effect their relationship. I think he felt like talking to Soutarou is out of the question because in Soutarou's mind he is doing it for Satoi, so he decided to rape him as kind of a reality check, "look at our current relationship's ugly future in the face" or so to speak. Things aren't working for them and Satoi has been holding out for Soutarou to change, but now realizes that he won't change on his own, that's why he said "i should've done this sooner".
hmm... Well that too but looking at the author's other works... Nah, I think the abusive "have sex or I won't love you anymore" bull is there too.
Satoi is a teenager, I seriously don't expect him to be able to make Soutarou change when pointing out people's distorted thoughts process to help them grow out of it is an actual job ╮(￣▽￣)╭
But since both are so bad at dealing with the other, they're both giving the other the impression they have no options and end up taking really bad action.
When all this is going on, I'm really not sure if adding the whole bullying issue by the friend was necessary. Or the thing with Mifune. I feel like everything was made to happen all at the same time, all pretty complicated situations and it's not handled very well...
I would rather have only one happen but get slower development. Something like rape that is used as shock/quick plot change trope, could have been avoided.
Imo, many authors just use it as a way to advance their stories quickly. Feels like a really cheap dirty trick to avoid actually thinking up events to resolve the problems of their story's couple.
But the bullying was described as something he'd been through already, or at least that's what i understood since it was like "oh, you're being bullied again?", so the bullying might have been introduced to us recently, but had been a part of his background already. I can kind of agree with you that the rape MIGHT have been used to progress the story, or in other words because "yaoi", but i can also understand why Satoi would feel like it is the only way.
If you think that the "do what i want if you love me" bull is there then that's fine, i just don't agree at all. From my perspective it was clearly meant to mean what i said above. Honestly, i think what has a lot of people even thinking that is because of Satoi's dialogue during the rape, if you take what he said out of context, sure it sounds like that, but if you followed along with what they were discussing before the rape it should be clear that he's trying to show Soutarou that their relationship is going nowhere. I hope that doesn't sound rude, it just really was that obvious to me, i saw all those comments saying things like "he's a fucking abusive asshole! All he wants is for Soutarou to do what he wants!" and i was like "what? Lol, did we read the same manga?".
ah yes, I meant specially Soutarou's friend telling him to stay away, like him getting involved (sorry, I don't remember Satoi's other friend's name). That's what I was referring to. I didn't mean to say it was new for him to be bullied.
I agree about that being Satoi's intent actually.
But regardless of intent, since he said that and Soutarou can't read minds, I still consider it abusive. Soutarou did give in out of fear of losing Satoi's love. It was pretty obvious Soutarou would believe that. I mean, it was indeed like testing, like asking if Soutarou has so little trust in him that he'd think he'd stop loving him. But that sort mind game is not good.
So yep, Satoi was trying to make Soutarou get it but the way he went about it was all wrong.
While I agree that Satoi might have had that intention, it still was rape (or attempted rape). It was a fucked up way of proving a point.
And it was really sending mixed signals: He says Sotarou is not allowed to say no, but as soon as he does say no, Satoi gets mad. Surely, it wasn't mad that Sotarou said no, I can recognize that he got mad that Sotarou was just trying to not make him mad, but the point is: All Sotarou ever does is try not to make him mad, and all Satoi ever does is get mad. And then Sotarou tries harder, because the way I see it, Sotarou is isolated from everyone but Satoi. He's got anxieties and low self-esteem from what that girl did to him and from being bullied. Satoi is all he has, and he's someone he never thought he could have, so it makes absolute sense for him to behave this way.
And at this point, I'm angry at the author - Sotarou's got all these issues that I'm getting pissed off that he says he has, but no one ever does anything about it. Someone with Sotarou's issues don't get better by themselves, they need help. Either Satoi is the one to help him, or the author should do something about it, like having him have a friend or shit. But Satoi's behavior is only enabling Sotarou's.
And that doesn't even mean Satoi is a bad person, he's just self-absorbed. He tries to take care of Sotarou his own way, but that's not the way Sotarou needs.
TLDR: Sotarou's got issues and maybe he shouldn't be in a relationship with Satoi.
Oh definitely, i'm not arguing that it was not abusive, it clearly was. I was just saying that i think his intentions behind the rape were to say "the way you are now is going to make our future look like this" rather than "do what i want if you love me". Which i do see you said you agree with, i'm just trying to clear up any possible misunderstandings in what i was saying.
I'm actually not arguing that it wasn't rape, i've actually been calling it rape and even said that he handled the situation wrong. My topic seems to be derailing, i'm not arguing that it wasn't abusive or rape.
@everyone: The point of my topic was for me to get my opinion on Satoi's intentions behind the rape, the reason i made this topic is because it seemed like quite a few people were under the impression that Satoi was just being an asshole when he decided to rape Soutarou, but i didn't agree with that line of thought and wanted to put my own thoughts out there to see how people would respond to my perspective. I was not trying to justify the rape, just speculate on as to WHY he chose rape as his method of getting his message across to Soutarou. I've been calling it rape this entire time, so i'm definitely not trying to say it wasn't rape or that the rape wasn't fucked up, i've actually said the opposite. Just because i'm looking into Satoi's motivations behind the rape doesn't mean i'm trying to say the rape is okay. I believe this should clear up any misunderstandings.
For me what was missing was the uke's struggle to switch from his straight mindset to allowing a man into his heart and body. People keep mentioning that "something is missing", i think it is that struggle, their relationship was frankly too easy as all it took was for our seme to confess and then soon after the uke's thinking about how the seme was "downright sexy" when the seme was confirming just what kind of love he feels. All it took was a confession and then a hug for the uke, who has never even thought about being with a man and even said "the only thing i'll ride is a woman", to actually JERK OFF to the seme. What is missing to me is the transition. That and maybe a few new problems for them to conquer as, if you think about it, THE ONLY (not an exaggeration, seriously think about it.) problem they faced and were complaining about the entire manga was that they wanted to be together more (this was literally THE ONLY issue the ENTIRE manga. It was school first, then work.) and rather than do something about it the uke just kept refusing to make any effort to be together more often (kept saying no to letting the seme move in even though there wasn't a reason to say no, unnecessary drama. The seme even said it was in commuting distance to the school, which was the uke's "reason" for not letting him move in...). I'll give it 4 stars for these two obvious flaws, 4 because despite these flaws it was still a good read.
What more does Yubin need to realize Ginu's gay? He just gave him a blow job and swallowed his cum with a smile on his face. The unnecessary drama (Yubin angsting over Ginu) is just pissing me off at this point. Like, how many times does a guy you'd thought was straight have to fuck you in the ass before you start to question his sexuality? How many positions and places? By now there should be no doubt in his mind that Ginu's at least BI and in that case logic dictates that he'd have at least as much of a chance as a girl by default. His thought process should've definitely been:
He's offering to teach me sex? That's kinda weird... Maybe he's just VERY sure of his sexuality?---> He now full blown fucked me in the ass and is doing it on a daily basis? Okay, this is getting REALLY fishy, is he gay/bi?---> He's now not just fucking me, that he could've explained away as just him sticking his dick in a hole, he's now pleasuring ME. He's definitely at least BI.---> He's BI, so i should have a chance, my chance might even be better than average since we're already having sex and we're childhood friends.
I don't and can't possibly see ANY valid excuse at this point...
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But @aybe bevause I am in this manhwa's smut quality... one of the best
Oh the smut is definitely top notch, i'd just like to see the romance come to fruition and then it can continue on with all the smut it wants...