Someone remind me of what bad things Hyunjae did in this timeline that wasn’t due to being manipulated by ML’s brother so I don’t feel bad for him plz. As far as I understand their relationship started with mutual interest. Hyunjae is clearly in love/obsessed with MC and MC said something about ”don’t make me regret loving you” which implied there was a time he did love him. Then MC breaks everything off and Hyunjae is heartbroken and becomes even more manipulated by ML’s brother. I know he did horrible things in the original timeline but I can’t help but feel bad for him in this timeline because he doesn’t even know anything about all that.
biggest issue was the fact that he wanted to break mc to have mc. like yeah part of that was junils brother but he was messed up regardless. not to mention he was the epitome of "only wants something when it's gone" if nokyoung ever went back he would've gone back to being a pos
He was having sex with other people while leading the MC on with the promise of a future relationship. It really looks like he had no feelings for the MC until he couldn't have him anymore. He was constantly manipulating him, making all of his decisions. Not to mention that he encouraged MC to be on an extreme diet to match the body type he liked, seeing the MC refer to his teen self as chubby, that didn't come out of nowhere someone put that thought into his head. All of that was happening before anything with the ML's brother. And if he really cared about MC he wouldn't have sent him to sleep with another man. He could have sent other actors to hit on the ML and if he cared about MC that's what he would have done. He sent MC because MC would do whatever he asked without question or making demands. He's a shit person, don't feel bad for him.
When MC was born there was a connection between MC and ML that ML felt and saw. Like a universe thing that showed ML he would watch MC grow up and filled him with a strong sense of protection, similar to a guardian person/spirit. If you visions of the future of a person you will probably feel drawn to them, kinda lest destiny. They also grew to close so naturally they would have some kind of relationship. When MC’s sister died ML was filled with both guilt and fear that made him even more over protective of MC and even more scare to lose him. He decided he would watch over him and keep him safe while ML lived a normal life. Then MC grew up and started to get to know other people and ML could not fully let him go realized the connection would always be there and that being apart would be extremely painful.
When MC grew up ML was a natural part of his life, after his sister died they became even more like family. MC developed adoration and eventually affection from ML for taking care of him, possible like having a crush on someone older because they seem cool in their eyes.
ML had always seen and treated MC like a kid. Until MC confessed, which also strengthened the feeling within ML that they were connected to each other through fate/the universe/whatever gave him the visions in the first place. ML opens up to MC, but MC is exposed to danger and ML prioritizes MC being safe and alive over them being together. Nonetheless, MC is now part of the other world now even if he doesn’t interact with ML so the best thing right now would probably be for them to be close again.
Regarding the beginning where it was implied/hinted at that they went all the way we actually don’t know if they did. They haven’t talked about it in detail, MC doesn’t seem to remember everything, not have they done it ”again”. Although I do understand if it doesn’t matter to some people how far they went and that it is the fact that something happened that people are not comfortable with, which of course is okay. I’m also willing to be proven wrong on this point if we get some sort of evidence in the future.
I understand that the age gap can be seen as sketchy and uncomfortable, especially since MC is just around legal, but it’s important to understand that ML has NOT been lusting over MC since he was a child, nor did he have some kind of plan to wait until MC became legal to make a move on him. MC initiated something further in their relationship and whether ML should’ve rejected him or not is something people can debate (I already explained my thoughts about ML’s approach. Basically is not the PDF some if yall choose to assume he is because of lack of understanding. Thank you.
Very nicely said. I personally feel that Muheun didn’t really consider it in a romantic way until Seungjoo kissed him that day for new year’s. I’m still a bit confused about their one night stand myself. Considering the behaviour we’ve seen from them both in this story it feels a bit OOC that they got drunk and slept together just like that. I wish we would actually see a flashback of that night to make it clear what happened and how.
Seme rejected uke he never lust after him and wanna protect him cuz he saw his friends and uke's siblings died in front of him well said. I actually can't understand why people not understanding it and wanna call seme pedo or groomer does they even know what these words stand anymore
Is Rotation MC’s blood related half brother? Sorry I’m slow.
Rotation? Are you talking about maximo? If yes, then I believe they're cousins related by marriage
They match each others freak we well. I feel like they’re always someone in the relationship that’s has more of a people pleasing self-loathing complex who gives in on their boundaries for the other persons sake but with this they’re so well synced/on the same level in a way I can’t explain. I love that they found each other at a low and instead of focusing on fixing each other they just grew better together. Maybe their relationship didn’t start out a healthy way but I would say it was toxic in a healthy way if that makes sense?
I remember reading this when it was being updated and thinking it was such a shame it was ruined because of fan service. Now when I binge read this years later I still think about how good it could’ve been, how much potential it could’ve reached as a compete work. The main things I think were:
- Samuel getting off when James was speaking about his past on their allians mission which mainly felt like forced fan service
- Them making out before making it so safety and being caught by Rugal (just a commonly used irritating situation), also a type of service
- Brett being with a high schooler (minor), I feel like they could’ve aged up or aged down either if them to be more appropriate since everyone important had fake identities anyways
But mostly:
- Samuel feeling James up before freeing him from the chair Rugal tied him to and SA’d him, this is where is felt the line to the typical quality reducing fan service you can turn a blind eye to was crossed (this is when the overall impression of the work is noticeably damaged)
- The Rugal James SA scene in the EXTRAS…completely unnecessary to the story since it was already over and I honestly don’t even think this can be justified as ”sketchy” fan-service, it’s just bellow acceptable and disgusting. The way it was followed up by James dismissing it, Samuel moving on and getting intimate immediately after, and Rugal having absolutely zero consequences and it being framed like he was ”doing them a favor by letting go so they can live in peace” is so contrary quality wise to how the series started and even carried through almost to the end. The fact that it was also the last chapter/s makes it even worse as it leaves a negative impact on the overall impression after finishing the series.
The plot was good, promising, things were suspenseful but also making sense and adding up in a beautifully crafted way at the end so it’s really such a shame it turned out this way.
Thank you, I couldn't believe that fucking ending. The uke gets raped but than the seme comes home and uke is like "hey honey, how was your day? Nothing special happened with mine" like wtf? Besides that old bastard being behind everything but he just rapes and is in his way with no consequence. Like maybe he will get bored and make raping the uke a regular thing the uke seems like he wouldn't care, maybe he can rape the seme while he is at it since it's nobig deal. I had liked the story before but it ending like that ruined it for me
I knew I would regret reading this knowing it was dropped and probably won’t be completed but I’m still glad I did because it was so good. Love the characters and the art is stunning!
Dropped ar ch. 21. I’m either dumb or disgusted or both cuz did ML really send back that grapey sponsor to that poor boy and kept MC distracted after promised to stay the night and keep the boy safe? I know ML is traumatized and a bit wicked but I really did think he got some kind of respect for consent since he seems to have a been a SA victim when he was younger. I’m just disgusted and disappointed and dropping this cuz it’s unforgivable imo and not something I can see past personally, I really hope I’ve just misunderstood. I know he (the younger guy who MC sees like a little brother) ”exaggerated” to make him stay but I think it was very obvious that whatever was going to happen before MC stepped in was not consensual and just a dreadful experience of a toxic relationship built on SA. Really didn’t expect this based on the high rating and comments.
Are we sure Lister doesn’t have severe memory problems too? He abuses MC and treats him awful but is confused when MC doesn’t react like he’s treating him with anything but kindness and goodwill out of his heart. I also think he’s the one who caused MC’s memory loss and that the sister knows about it but feels to powerless to interfere (or it somehow was for their best interest), I don’t think she truly knows to which extent he’s abusing him to though. I feel like MC had a respected/powerful noble like character in the past and I know he himself is convinced of his punishment but I don’t fully understand why Gjord doesn’t just take him away to protect him. I know he knows he’s being abused and that MC hides it as much as possible but it also feels like Gjord doesn’t know who (Lister) is abusing him and I don’t get why it’s hard to figure out? Overall good story, very promising.
SPOILERS
I think he probably has inferiority complex? Because MC had a higher status than Lister, and now their ranking of status switched.. Plus, since he likes him (assuming eversince they were kids), he got mad that he didn’t get to have MC. And I also think he has some mental issues.. like no way you’re happy that the person you love is afraid of you,, So you take that to your advantage
But! All soon will be revealed in the future, these are just my thoughts ><
Okay I understand that ML planned everything from the beginning and I knew one of them would probably die (likely ML) due to the tragedy tag. I know and their mutual friend (who MC didn’t know was mutual) though it would be better for the revolution plan of ML let go of MC. I don’t understand why he had to die though, why couldn’t he had gotten in the carriage and be together with ML afterwards? From my understanding, which I’m not sure is even right, he choose to protect his uncle by sitting on the throne instead, but how could the mutual friend go along with that? I really do get the feeling that the friend would’ve been happy if ML got to live a long and happy life with MC.
ML had to die because if he escaped, the revolution wouldn’t have worked—people needed a symbol, and his death made sure the revolutionary kept fighting. ML wanted to protect his uncle and stop someone worse from taking over. Even if ML got into that carriage, they’d be hunted down, and everything they sacrificed would be for nothing. Basically, there was no happy ending for them no matter what.
Also, I remember at the end Lothaire said that ML doesn't want any bloodshed or war, ML actually cared about his people, maybe if ML escaped, people who supports the revolution, and people who is loyal to the royal empire(ML) will have war amongst them(?). like the only thing that will make the country at peace is HIS DEAD
this is my opinion (▰˘◡˘▰)
It's multiple reasons, not all stated in this manga. First, historically speaking Maximin is literally the most important person that has to die, because even if he is exiled or runs away, there would always be the chance that a foreign nation could invade under the guise of wanting to restore the legitimate monarch to its throne, which would inevitably make the revolution weaker, and the new established order more fragile. Second, in order to act against the second most important person that had to die, the uncle, they would need a legitimate reason, otherwise they would be seen as criminals and usurpers. That is why they had to wait until Robert physically killed his nephew to act against him, cause then in the eyes of the nobles and foreign monarchies they wouldn't look like revolutionaries but people avenging their rulers, which would make their action legit in the eyes of everyone. Maximin knew he had to die because his very existance was undermining the revolution, and that's why he didn't allow MC to save him.