for those of you questioning jisuhs decision to get revenge on heejae. its true, jisuh has nothing to gain from revenge and everything to lose but did yall forget, jisuhs probably a little crazy by now, as is heejae. jisuh is basically saying fuck it all, im going to ruin heejae, im going to ruin myself, who cares lets do this. i think deep down he knows that itd be better to leave but in truth, i think hes also a little nuts. he doesn't want o leave heejae, he loves heejae im betting, but he also can't forgive him like nothing. hes angry, hes hurt but hes also in love and theres really nothing heejae can do to make up for what he did to jisuh so jisuh is taking things into his own hands and fucking shit up for everyone lol
some much is said and yet so little is said in a chapter and not much happens in every chapter making every chapter feel unfinished. bj alex needs 2 chapters in order to feel like a standard 1 chapter. its like just when the action happens the chapter ends. i know manga tends to end chapters on cliff hangers but i never feel like we get enough particulary with bj alex
some dumb people seem to think that its easy to leave an abusive or unhealthy relationships just because they need to. its even harder when the person youre trying to leave is someone you are in love with. some of you will drone on and on about dg being a doormat and falling in love with his fuck buddy and say he should know better, he should leave if its so bad, and conveniently forget that ALEX acts even more like they are in an exclusive relationship. he is possessive and mean and tries to control who dg sleeps with and got mad and assaulted dg when he thought dg was sleeping with someone else. i know alex is NOT truly an abuser but he definitely shows signs of abusive partners. abusive partners are really mean and hit/shove their partners and then apologize for it and are a little nice which makes the victim think they changed but then they get mean again and the cycle repeats. sound familiar? you act like falling in love with your fuckbuddy is a crime, it happens all the time. yes, dg shouldnt expect more from alex when he stated he is no interested in love but honestly dg has done nothing to coerce alex into a relationship. they went on that one "date" as a half assed apology for assault and also dg should get to have the kind of sex he likes too, since its a sex friendship. why did alex get to decide everything in the sex friendship. anyways, dg was in the wrong when he barged into the broadcast but that does not excuse alex hitting/shoving him. anyway, its for the best if they distance themsleves from each other
its because most of them are 12, but PREACH IT
I was gonna say the same thing. Most of the readers on here have never experienced much and are probably too young to read most of the content here. You should see some of the comments for Killing Stalking. Cringeworthy.
I haven't read Killing Stalking because of the comments on it. LOL. But yeah you can tell pretty clearly from the way people talk that they don't know what it FEELS like so they can just go on and on about what people said and make up false equivalencies. "Oh DG tries to do small talk so why shouldn't Alex ignore him outright for weeks after double penetrating him with a dildo without consent, DG is the annoying one"
nana even got married, its os freaking annoying that the semes like this always claim to be in love with the uke and then get married anyways and cheat anyways. i dont care that the nana has learned but i hate him
He was completely abandoned without a word and the person changed all their personal info. In a different country.
It was like he died basically. I think that our seme, though perfect he certainly was not, was okay to try to love again. Hopefully he didn't just use the other person, but of all the things he did, I don't think that's the one that makes him a bad dude.
Well what was he supposed to do? Spend his whole life waiting for a person who abandoned him and purposely hid from him?
they have a lot of chemistry in the bedroom but what about outside of it? honestly cant imagine them clicking on a personality level. im curious to see how theyd get along when/if they start dating. even for jiwon and dg who are having major issues right now, i can sort of imagine how theyd act if they were dating
people are so hyperfocused on the possibility that DG only loves the idea of alex and not jiwon, and makes DG out to be the bad guy. truth is, neither of them can be truly in love when they know next to nothing about each other. also, just because DG is attracted to jiwons alex persona doesnt mean he cant like the real jiwon too? its pretty obvious DG can differentiate between the two, alex reveal nothing about himself to his viewers, so DG really only knows the jiwon personality. hes knows jiwon is a 'kind", intelligent sunbae who looks after his hoobaes. if anything, dg is not in love with alex, hes in love with who he thought jiwon presented himself as to his college mates
I don't mean to completely reject that, but that's really not true at all.. the reason DG was interested in Jiwon is because of Alex in the first place. He doesn't like the omnipotent Jiwon sunbae. I think he was just attracted to Alex and fell in love from there. DG is definitely not the bad guy, he's just a normal guy. So is Alex. They're both actually pretty realistic people in the fact that one just wants to fuck and one fell head over heels for a sexy boi
jiwon and DG are in a sex friendship which means they are consenting to having sex which means that when they have sex its not rape
HOWEVER,
in the chapter when jiwon got unjustifiably angry at DG because he was jealous and then prcoeeded to stick a dildo up DG ass and the fuck him with the dildo still inside, THAT was actually rape, that was assault. they never agreed to play like that and have also never had sex like that before. DG was actively against that and did not want to be fucked like that, in fact he was actually verbalizing that he was in pain. lets all try to understand properly what rape is. some scenese between them are consenting, some are rape, and some are in a gray area and thats a fact
Yes , I agree. But this is yaoi. It's just something normal here. The Unrealistic is realistic here. People anyhow read it, aware of it. Because ultimately it's Boy's love and in the end it's all justified cause ultimately it gives that satisfaction and fulfill the fantasy of seeing relationship between beautiful boys. I'm not against anything you said, I have stated the same things before. I'm also trying to validate your point. But I've come to accept that that's just how yaoi is and I should just have fun. I still look out for gem of stories and really appreciate such stories that have more solid plot, realistic actions by the characters and a good message.:) :) :)
Until this manwa ends I'm still giving it a chance. Not for how it has been until now but for how things are going to work out. The two most important things is one dg getting his character growth, learning to be assertive and gain self esteem. And the other is without excuse Alex has to redeem himself or apologize to dg..that is if this manhwa wants to have a satisfiable ending.....soryy lonh post :P
No I gotta agree the scene with the dildo was especially brutal and doesn't show up in yaoi that are toe-ing the line with a rape trope. People are taking it like it's normal for yaoi, but it's really not normal even for yaoi. I don't think you could show me a yaoi in which that happens and the uke isn't hurt / it doesn't really fuck up their relationship.
Agree that some is consensual and other is gray area (like drunk in the hallway with DG sayin no).
I'm just saying something because it annoys me that people defend Alex a lot saying that DG signed up for this stuff. He didn't sign up for intimate partner violence lol
Oh I will never defend Alex, no way. I understand what you are saying. It's shown that alex had a bad experience in the past; yes he was brutally cheated by someone he genuinely cared for. But somehow I never found it as an extremely traumatizing reason for him to be who he is now, at least normally that backstory wouldn't necessary drive a person in this direction. This is completely the author's choosing and imagination. Even then Alex's backstory hasn't triggered my empathy towards him. I'm okay that he decides to be a jerk or not wanting a relationship, but to be unsympathetic and mindless and inconsiderate. One can't put blame on his past n get away with it, cause that is alex's doing...either he is very stupid or has a very low emotional IQ. I was very disturbed at that dildo scene too, though dg screams n says no he just goes at it like a mindless machine , that's inhumane. Forget rape or assault or anything,...it was very cold and cruel. And the past isn't an excuse for that. I'm not okay with such things, but I wanna read and these things are just there. It's not my first exp with the rape type situations and Stockholm syndrome in yaoi...they're all over the place. I just let it slide n enjoy the rest cause really what can be done :(
Oh ok! I slightly misunderstood what you were saying and thank you for clearing it up! I totally agree with literally everything you've said. I wish that kind of nuanced understanding was mpre the norm than just shallow defense of alex and explaining away his actions. Thank you !!!
what i dont get about the book is that it basically tells the future and the fate of the characters but at the same time, i can't see any universe in which sangjin and the girl would actually fall in love and happily marry. all along before the girl even came into the picture, sangjin has been in love with songwoo. we've seen that to some extent the book has been right about what happens in the future but i can't see how it would ever be right about sangjin and the girl. sangjin is pretty devoted to songwoo, so how would he ever fall in love with someone else while songwoo is in his life. also, is the book implying that there was a chance that sangjin and the girl would actually be able to love each other if they got together? if so, that doesn't sit right with me, lol, im all about my main characters having only one true love and that has to be each other
Personally I think the book is a troll and is fucking with them and pushing them to get together quicker than they probably would have. The book was probs shipping them hard from the shelf for years, and when thingy moved houses it thought, 'fuck it I'm getting involved' (≧∀≦)
but if the book wanted them to get together, why was songwoo interrupted every single time he wanted to confess. was it just coincidence? the author has their work cut out for them in explaining how the book works lol
YES! Finally. Someone brings up a point that discusses what the actual potential flaws of this story could be. It so freaking annoys me when people skip over actual plot points to make their usual (IMHO clichéd) arguments.
why does it spoil the end pairing, when theres a love triangle in the story, the cover should be more ambiguous. btw, im just assuming but its pretty obvious black haired dude and mc are going to be end game
a lot of you are scared of what jisuhs becoming but i think his revenge will end up like heejaes original plan. heejae wanted play with jisuh and dump him but he fell in love and wasn't able to go through with it. jisuh too is planninf revenge but obviously he is madly in love with heejae and i feel like he'll crack under the pressure, breakdown and confess and they will both cry and scream and then get together lol
That's be typical weak uke behavior, I hope the author will do Jisuh's character justice and not have him do this.