Zero June 13, 2021 2:23 am

Idk I started getting rapey vibes from Juergen last chapter and uh this one really puts it over the edge. It makes sense that Juergen might get angry, but if Johan wants to break up for whatever reason, I believe he has the right to? Not saying that he’s entirely justified for lying, but Juergen kinda forced him back into a relationship that made him visibly uncomfortable. We’ve also established that Juergen’s job is kinda sus, so he might have an idea of why Johan wanted to break up which kinda makes this whole thing worse?

    Hiit June 13, 2021 2:33 am

    Honestly! At this point is there even bl without r*pe?!

    Beah June 13, 2021 2:59 am
    Honestly! At this point is there even bl without r*pe?! Hiit

    True, barely none ( ̄へ ̄)

    Lou June 13, 2021 3:15 am
    True, barely none ( ̄へ ̄) Beah

    Not even minimum it's so rare

    Chris June 13, 2021 3:38 am
    Honestly! At this point is there even bl without r*pe?! Hiit

    Hardly, it’s actually very disconcerting to see just how many BLs are been published with either outright rape or rapey undertones.

    Also I wish authors would stop equating manipulative, obsessive and toxic possessive behavior to “ohh he’s just in love so he gets jealous like that”

    fluffy_magnus June 13, 2021 5:58 am
    Not even minimum it's so rare Lou

    tf are y'all talking about???? there are HUNDREDS or even THOUSANDS bls without rape. maybe try looking for once. god so tired of people spreading these lies when it's literally so easy to find bls without rape.

    Lou June 13, 2021 7:08 am
    tf are y'all talking about???? there are HUNDREDS or even THOUSANDS bls without rape. maybe try looking for once. god so tired of people spreading these lies when it's literally so easy to find bls without rape... fluffy_magnus

    Can u give me recs

    Lou June 13, 2021 7:09 am

    Bc like I need some I'm currently reading some healthy shounen ai

    Hiit June 13, 2021 8:01 am
    tf are y'all talking about???? there are HUNDREDS or even THOUSANDS bls without rape. maybe try looking for once. god so tired of people spreading these lies when it's literally so easy to find bls without rape... fluffy_magnus

    Definitely but we’re just saying that rape is so normalized in bl.

    BACKOFF June 13, 2021 6:08 pm

    They're both spies that's why

    BACKOFF June 13, 2021 6:08 pm
    Honestly! At this point is there even bl without r*pe?! Hiit

    There's a lot. Please don't generalize BL.

    BACKOFF June 13, 2021 6:12 pm
    tf are y'all talking about???? there are HUNDREDS or even THOUSANDS bls without rape. maybe try looking for once. god so tired of people spreading these lies when it's literally so easy to find bls without rape... fluffy_magnus

    Yeah right I wonder how some do make that kind of conclusion just because some BL they read does that. There's hundreds of BL which has a healthy relationship, no toxicity. It depends on the genre; mostly action, suspense, thrill, ABO, has some rapey scenes to thicken the plot. Widen your horizon guys.

    Hiit June 13, 2021 6:25 pm
    There's a lot. Please don't generalize BL. BACKOFF

    Like I said before, rape is normalized in bl. When it happens of course we feel bad but the way they make the characters (esp the victims) react to it isn’t something that sits right with me. Of course I know I wouldn’t react that way but it’s teaching gullible ppl the wrong things.

    BACKOFF June 13, 2021 6:34 pm
    Like I said before, rape is normalized in bl. When it happens of course we feel bad but the way they make the characters (esp the victims) react to it isn’t something that sits right with me. Of course I know... Hiit

    Yes pretty everything in manhwa/manhua/manga/novel is normalized (not just in BL... BL is just a dot in terms in genres with normalized rape) authors always can find ways in justification to their works. I was referring to your original comment. I understand your point but saying things in general way will also teach those gullible ppl wrong things .

    Hiit June 13, 2021 6:44 pm

    I just wish that more yaoi in the future makes the characters react the right way bc ppl seriously see these scenes as okay and act them out irl. But at the end of the day, it’s just fiction (but still

    SukuIta June 13, 2021 8:36 pm
    Hardly, it’s actually very disconcerting to see just how many BLs are been published with either outright rape or rapey undertones.Also I wish authors would stop equating manipulative, obsessive and toxic pos... Chris

    YEES, I really love when the relationship is healthy, but it gets harder to see it by de day.

    Most of the tops are so possessive that the stories are almost predictable, it’s sad to say the least .

    fluffy_magnus June 14, 2021 1:37 am
    Like I said before, rape is normalized in bl. When it happens of course we feel bad but the way they make the characters (esp the victims) react to it isn’t something that sits right with me. Of course I know... Hiit

    It's porn. It's not supposed to teach you anything. If a bl book makes you think rape is okay then it's rather a you problem not the work itself. Especially since the nsfw works are 18+ so we are talking about adults and there shouldn't be any children here anyway.

    Rape is rly not normalized in bl, you keep repeating that but it's just a buzz word at this point. Sure, there are works that use rape as a plot point but actually quite rarely you see a series that makes rape into a normal thing. I'm so tired of this stereotype because ppl cannot differentiate between the two. Sorry but if anything it's you spreading false information to "gullible" people.

    Chris June 14, 2021 2:43 am
    It's porn. It's not supposed to teach you anything. If a bl book makes you think rape is okay then it's rather a you problem not the work itself. Especially since the nsfw works are 18+ so we are talking about ... fluffy_magnus

    The top half of your statement is really problematic. “It’s porn. It’s not supposed to teach you anything” nobody reads these stories for learning experiences we didn’t ask for us to “teach” us anything, the point that was trying to be made was the behavior being exhibited by the main characters and accepted or condoned by other characters are harmful. The characters aren’t real but these things happen in real life. I’m not talking about this story in particular but I’ve read some stories where a character would literally rape or beat their lover and it would be okay cause he was just possessive or loves him too much and that should never be condoned.

    Also “it’s just porn” isn’t a sufficient excuse either, even porn has a duty to be ethical, in no way shape or form should porn that perpetuates rape or let’s say pedophilia be okay because it’s “just” porn.

    I’m all for letting authors having creative freedom but I just wish they’d acknowledge that some behaviors exhibited is not healthy instead of feeding into the narrative that it’s okay once they supposedly love each other.

Zero February 12, 2021 3:34 pm

omg param redemption arc...?

Zero January 10, 2021 7:30 pm

why does rix keep being sexual assaulted??? makes me sad and sick

    Water January 10, 2021 7:33 pm

    It's disgusting I swear. But since nuah is fine.... No one seem to mind anything else again....

    awwi January 10, 2021 8:21 pm
    It's disgusting I swear. But since nuah is fine.... No one seem to mind anything else again.... Water

    Could you stop insulting/talking down on the readers? If you don't like it fine, move on and drop it. But why in the world do you keep on attacking the people based on their kinks? Is it not enough that you have a shitload of BL to read? Why attack a series just because it isn't written for you?

    perkystar January 10, 2021 8:46 pm
    It's disgusting I swear. But since nuah is fine.... No one seem to mind anything else again.... Water

    you're right!!!
    they accepted Nuahs' and shipped them. I guess everyone is fairgame

    perkystar January 10, 2021 8:47 pm
    Could you stop insulting/talking down on the readers? If you don't like it fine, move on and drop it. But why in the world do you keep on attacking the people based on their kinks? Is it not enough that you hav... awwi

    is it wrong to worry about how much the ML is being assaulted? are we supposed to clap and cheer when a character we've grown to care for is hurt or hurting?

    awwi January 10, 2021 8:54 pm
    is it wrong to worry about how much the ML is being assaulted? are we supposed to clap and cheer when a character we've grown to care for is hurt or hurting? perkystar

    This is fanservice. Those are kinky rape scenes written for people who are into it. Calling those who like this kind of stuff children and acting all high and mighty because we're not outraged by those scenes comes across as pretty arrogant to me.
    If you think those scenes are there to show us how much Rix is suffering, then I honestly have to wonder how you made it to chapter 59.

    luc January 10, 2021 9:00 pm
    This is fanservice. Those are kinky rape scenes written for people who are into it. Calling those who like this kind of stuff children and acting all high and mighty because we're not outraged by those scenes c... awwi

    yup agreed

    mela_pyong January 10, 2021 9:03 pm
    It's disgusting I swear. But since nuah is fine.... No one seem to mind anything else again.... Water

    I agree. It's getting tiring honestly :((

    Water January 10, 2021 9:25 pm
    This is fanservice. Those are kinky rape scenes written for people who are into it. Calling those who like this kind of stuff children and acting all high and mighty because we're not outraged by those scenes c... awwi

    This isn't about acting high and mighty. I know 95% of yaoi has rape but this is getting too much. The way just anybody can have their way with rix is just too sad. And his expressions hurts. I like rix, having to see him assaulted and molested like that annoys me....why can't they assault and molest nuah too. Since it is fan service.

    awwi January 10, 2021 9:36 pm
    This isn't about acting high and mighty. I know 95% of yaoi has rape but this is getting too much. The way just anybody can have their way with rix is just too sad. And his expressions hurts. I like rix, having... Water

    First of all, by no means do 95% of yaoi have rape. If that's what you're experiencing then you should seriously reconsider your reading choices. And second of all, as I have said numerous times by now, this is kinky fanservice. They have to stay in their roles otherwise it'll ruin the fantasy. You're obviously not into this kind of stuff and that's fine, but that doesn't make it okay to insult those who are.

    Water January 10, 2021 9:49 pm
    First of all, by no means do 95% of yaoi have rape. If that's what you're experiencing then you should seriously reconsider your reading choices. And second of all, as I have said numerous times by now, this is... awwi

    The only type of yaoi that doesn't have as much rape is manhua which is mostly shounen ai. But manhwa and mangas, almost all has some form of rape, attempted rape, blackmailing, coercion and manipulation. I am not talking about shounen ai. I am not insulting anyone. I just find it weird that only few people are talking about how rix was assaulted and molested. Majority just talk about how cute nuah is like that is all that matters to them.

    awwi January 10, 2021 10:01 pm
    The only type of yaoi that doesn't have as much rape is manhua which is mostly shounen ai. But manhwa and mangas, almost all has some form of rape, attempted rape, blackmailing, coercion and manipulation. I am ... Water

    Again, if this is what you experience then you're reading the wrong stories.
    Also, you did insult people. You wrote
    "I guess underage people are the ones reading the manhwa.....since they don't see anything wrong with the manhwa....."
    You basically said everybody who doesn't have the same reaction as you is immature. How is that not an insult?
    People aren't appalled because they are into it. Again, this is kinky fanservice. I'm not sure what else to tell you at this point. Why should I be outraged by those scenes when I enjoy seeing them? I know it happens pretty often that vanilla people don't understand kinky fanservice but at a certain point you have to accept that there are people who are into this stuff and that the rape in this story isn't that deep.

    perkystar January 11, 2021 7:42 am
    Again, if this is what you experience then you're reading the wrong stories. Also, you did insult people. You wrote "I guess underage people are the ones reading the manhwa.....since they don't see anything wro... awwi

    I think both of you are right... The world is not equal, it never will be. As much as I am appalled reading Rix's constant abuse, some people take pleasure from it. From this whole exchange, I don't think @water was trying to be condescending. It was just a genuine reaction from seeing Rix once again abused without any provocation. Its painful cause one cares for him and just want him to get together with Nuah eventually... while on the other hand, there are people who aren't as emotionally invested and are just here for the ride... anyway, that's my opinion ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

Zero December 12, 2020 4:15 pm

Dude don’t just go in and try and upload chapters yourself because, correct me if I’m wrong, but the translation group is still working on this, and you should’ve contacted them to make sure cause it’s also kinda rude. Sorry, but the chapter is hard to read, panels are missing, and if you’re changing that much dialogue bc you can’t understand, please just leave it to the translation group. ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍

    coco December 12, 2020 4:22 pm

    yess thats true, i do know chinese so i read the raws and its different in some ways plus lots of smexy and important panels are missing

    bl lover December 12, 2020 4:33 pm
    yess thats true, i do know chinese so i read the raws and its different in some ways plus lots of smexy and important panels are missing coco

    the raws are in Chinese? oh my god then I would gladly translate it,, except idk how to even post stuff here

    D A December 12, 2020 4:34 pm

    Agreed! The intention was good and all, so I thank the translator for the effort. But most of the beginning panels were missing, and the chapters were difficult to understand. No wonder this chapter was short.
    So I think it'd be better to wait for the group to update.

    Anchanx04 December 12, 2020 5:33 pm
    the raws are in Chinese? oh my god then I would gladly translate it,, except idk how to even post stuff here bl lover

    Someone told me that u press on the black flag on the left, go to report and place the photos there and name it like “kiss me liar - chapter 20”
    You would have to use the app “imgur” to do it

    bl lover December 13, 2020 7:57 am
    Someone told me that u press on the black flag on the left, go to report and place the photos there and name it like “kiss me liar - chapter 20”You would have to use the app “imgur” to do it Anchanx04

    oH ty for the info (⌒▽⌒)

    Anchanx04 December 14, 2020 4:48 am
    oH ty for the info (⌒▽⌒) bl lover

    No problem :D

Zero October 15, 2020 2:52 pm

Lmao y’all were so mad about the upcoming chapter last week cause there was gonna be rape, but it looks like a lot are fine now cause of his face even tho it was still sexual assault

    shōyō <3 October 15, 2020 3:11 pm

    right! ugh i really hate him a lot. his face is nice but that’s it

Zero July 21, 2020 3:19 pm

Brooo sure, tell Uka you like her, but don’t try to pursue a relationship w her when she’s already in one. Like, be aware of what you’re doing, and don’t try to break two people up bc of your own needs ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍

Zero July 13, 2020 4:01 pm

idk, I didn’t really see the love being reciprocated to the seme. it just felt like the seme was being used for food the whole time

Zero July 3, 2020 4:34 pm

Idk I don’t feel any sympathy for the omega. If you like someone, there’s a better way to communicate that to them instead of raping, manipulating, and guilting them

Zero June 30, 2020 5:39 pm

Wttttfffffff??? Rape is about control and power over a another person, and it absolutely strips survivors of their humanity. Sexual assault is more than just a physical thing, it’s also mental. It’s obvious that it’s a horrendous thing, so I hate how the author portrays the mc after getting assaulted. It feels like the story is saying that men getting raped doesn’t happen much, or that men don’t care about it that much so they can just bounce right back up afterwards. I understand that this is manga and that people can discern between fiction and real life, but it’s just tiring to see these unrealistic rape and blackmail plots everywhere. I feel like most of the time, authors just include rape because they don’t know how to develope the plot, and they use rape as an easy way to get the characters intimate.

    parkbogomi June 30, 2020 7:11 pm

    it is one of the worst stories here in mangago, it doesn't deserve time agh i'm hating my self for reding this shit the seme is so cruel and it will be trash webtoon if they ended up together, he is blackmailing him and fucking him everywhere whenver he feel like it, he is messing with his life in both study and sports, the boy did nothing wrong to deserve this ,defintetly one of the most trash semes out there, this author is in my blacklist now i hate stories that r about sex no good plot just to satisfy lust and fetishes tsk tsk

Zero June 30, 2020 3:49 pm

This dude really thought up an entire college thesis

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