The dude is so insecure wtf. He's like the epitome of an inferiority complex and how it affects your relationship with others. I find the overused setting of the guy running away from his issues and started crying to be annoying, there's a limit to how many times you can force feed audience with the same recipe until they throw up. I admit they're adorable, endearing almost, but I could not stand Minsoo's little self-deprecating inner monologue. It's hard to not feel frustrated when most of the conflict between them is born from his insecurity. It was especially prominent when his personality contrasted with Junwon's 'perfection'. In comparison to Junwoo's overwhelming kindness and understanding words, Minsoo's reaction is almost cruel and comes from a place of resentment and pure jealousy towards Junwoo. Yeah sure, he grew as a character by the end of the story but he's still quite diffident towards the acts of confrontation and caves at any sign of rejection as his insecurity resurfaces. I'm sorry but all I hear is a guy whiningggggg. Junwoo is weird too btw, there's no depth in his character that I bet 1 dollar that the author probably only wrote 'perfect^^' in his character sheet.
i mean his insecurity wasn't really unfounded... they show multiple times during the story that they (people in their class) compare the two CONSTANTLY, it seems that they got along okay prior to the constant critization between the two lol.
however i get your frustration but it's a silly little manhwa and it's better written than most esp since with this trope they regularly leave out why the person is insecure or just give a quick little answer w/o depth. also why i do think junwon def could use more depth in his character he far from being one of the worst mls in manhwa history and genuinely cared and showed he cared for the mc.
I don't think what they have is love based on what I see so far. I know some might say, right person wrong time but I genuinely think that they are not good for each other and that being together would only cause pain and heartbreak for both of them.
To me love is acceptance. It is to show your most ugly side to someone, to lay yourself bare before someone and know that this person will love you despite. It is the root of trust, of friendship, and your relationship with yourself. Love cannot grow if you don't create an environment for it to do so. Mistrust was rooted so deep in Skylar and Cirrus souls and darkness had become so much of a comfort that sometimes, people are just too numb to care. Their situation could be described by the quote "When you are not fed love on a silver spoon, you learn to lick it off knives." They show love the only way they know of. And their effort prove futile in the end.
The first strike of the reason I think they don't love each other is how aggressive and toxic they are when are faced with conflicts or miscommunication. They manipulate each other, lie through their teeth, fist collide and sometimes they would kiss. Love doesn't hurt, whoever told you that it has to is stupid. It doesn't need to be easy either. Communication and trust are a two-way bridge that needs both parties to address the problem that they're both facing. Instead, Skylar and Circus prefer to cut off the bridge. To not address the elephant in the room. Both are too afraid to put everything on the table, to be judged by someone, to be seen. They crave love but are too afraid to take a leap of faith for it. They also have their own issues and traumas relating to parental figures in their life and the way they view themselves. This further proves that they both are not ready for love. You cannot start a relationship from trauma bonding, you just can't. They cannot continue and stare at each other wound till the epilogue yk.
The second strike is their age. Ummm hello?? They both are high schoolers. They are growing, still, a bunch of teenager figuring out their shit, they have a whole life ahead of them, I feel like they are so stuck at the moment sometimes and forgot that world is so much bigger than you think. They have exams, don't they? What do they want to do after this? Which university to go to? What are they gonna study? To take the time to actually sit down and think about their next step as an individual would do them some good. They are both, especially Cirrus, almost emotionally dependent on each other. The recent break-up proves my points. I'm starting to get lazy Hmmm.
To sum up! They are better off without each other. And if I have to see another face-slapping chapter I'll jump. It's not that they are incapable of love, and what Skylar said "How can you love when you never experience it" is cold and stupid. Everyone can love. They just show it differently, some might be nonconventional but they both try, to love each other in the way they know. And I think that's super sweet but... I don't think it'll last. As cold as this might sound I think they are happier without each other.
C'mon bro. What are you doing here. Don't read this bro. Like c'mon it's kinda obvious. Go sleep.
Just look at the author Twitter full of shi
I hate it, I just hate it. I cannot stand it and it doesn't deserve me dragging out my working brain cell to do a proper sum up and review with a cute pink bow on it. Hate the harem, question the character, die and sigh at the supposed plot twist. Oh, the MC is insufferable btw. The comedy tag really shines through tho with how much of a joke this manhwa is. Sue me.
im with u on this one
I'm genuinely curious about the creative direction of this manhwa because I feel like I'm watching a train wreck in slow mode and there's no one inside the train.
The story introduces us to a mc surrounded by hot guys with lazy stereotypical character archetypes that suck your soul out the more the story progress.. (or digress). The MC doesn't hold favour towards any of the characters and is kind of an idiot and oblivious towards everything in the story, clearly not knowing what to make of these characters' advances towards him. To sum up, he's not into it bro. So I do not understand who am I supposed to root for here. It's not like there's a magical button where I can choose which one I favour the most. The author clearly doesn't know where to bring this story, with the plot's overreliance on setting change rather than actual character development as a mean to show story progression. They don't learn from anything. They rinse and repeat until the author gets lazy of dragging out the story and stopped projecting onto a bl mc.
I don't think this story deserves any traffic. With its overall basic transmigration plot paired with it gut-wrenching typical characters, it's so painfully average I almost got a nostalgia rush because I felt like I had read this exact plotline from any early 2000s romance manga, heck I could even cough out a few titles if you want.
Season 2 the author admitted they didn’t know what they were going to do and were burnt out. They got someone else on board to help redirect the storyboard at the end of s2 and continue for s3 so I’m hoping it takes a refreshing change in d direction or gets more focused hopefully
Call me when this story actually starts being about love and not pure angst cause I can only take angst in shots bro.
Lmao real but this chapter was lowkey hype
I'm shocked some people genuinely enjoy this story. I felt like the only likeable character in this manhwa is the baby. Which is insane based on how many chapters this is. In the beginning, I was put off by the fact the omega looked and acted like a minor. There's also the whole issue with the ml literally raping the mc. The story starts with such a rocky start that the bitter taste still lingers in my mouth till the end of the story. Hell, 'rocky' is a considerably nice way to describe the first arc of this story.
They had issues and sorted them out like couples do. I hate stories that start off with everyone together w no growth
same but then i began to realize that he was quite literally a minor, he was barely 20 and he didn’t even highschool, he also didnt grow up with a proper parental figure to lead him so he was just kinda out there in the world living paycheck to paycheck with no actual knowledge of how the world works
How... are you guys reading this...I drop this shit the moment he whipped his dick out on the unconscious doctor's face. Like bro back up.
Maybe because the story is actually amazing with well written characters despite the only bit of SA
Dude the way I cackled, like bro are you hearing yourself???
Yes I am. Are you really trying to convince me, someone who read the entire manhwa + the raws 17 times and the novel 3 times that this sucks just be abuse of the tiny bit of SA that takes up 2 panels at the beginning and beats no significance to the plot? Bbfr, do you really want to argue with me on why this manhwa is good despite the one bit of SA?
Listen I like this webtoon but ‘it’s just a little attempted r*pe’ is crazy
I’m not going to justify his actions, what I’m saying is that you shouldn’t judge the quality of the webtoon based on the 1 but if SA. It would be different if he did it repeatedly. But that’s literally the only time he does that in the entire plot. And this person is asking why we are reading it which is my point on this still being good despite having that piece of SA
Not trying to pick a fight, but I think it’s kind of irresponsible to phrase it like that. For some people even one attempted SA is, understandably, one too many. Thats their boundary, telling them ‘just ignore it/it was just the one time’ feels like trying to downplay the severity of an assault because YOU like the perpetrator and it’s convenient to pretend like it never happened.
That said, consent stuff is different for everyone, and while it was gross it IS important to me that the line wasnt completely crossed. If it was, I wouldn’t be able to let it go either. But since it wasn’t, I can chalk it up in my head as an oily narrative moment where we see that the ML is a bit of a seedy douche, rather than a full on crime.
I get what you’re saying. And okay I shouldve worded it differently but I wasn’t trying to down play it. I’m sorry if that’s what it sounded it. What I’m trying to say is that compared to the entirety of the rest of the plot, that SA bears no significance. (I’m not trying to say the SA itself is not significant I’m saying when looking at the plot it’s not significant, it’s unnecessary) and people shouldn’t be judging the entirely of the rest of the plot based on this.
If that SA means something to you or to others, that understandable but still it’s not going to change the plot despite how it may affect the readers viewpoint. What I was trying to say to OP is that I myself was reading it s cause despite that SA, the plot and characters are still very well written.
TLDR; nothing against the story, I don't wanna miss out bc u r a weirdo (not the fun kind), but as a SA survivor who still thinks ab all those 'lil bit of SA', i can say ur behavior is giving crazy kpop fan
Listen, I acc found this manhwa thru the discussion posts bc u kept posting ab it on there and I was like o look at tht passion, that's cool now I wanna read it. I was gonna ask for SA warnings bc as someone who went thru multiple traumatic SA experiences, I need them. I spiral if I don't have them. If I hv the warnings most of the time I'm fine or I'll just choose not to start in the first place. I was just gonna read the book but then I saw ur comment to OP, I acc felt like vomitting, NOTHING is just a 'lil bit of SA', that's the shit tht apologists say to u when u try to point out their fave's problematic behavior (looking at u kpop fans). I hv acc had ppl say tht shit to me when I would tell them tht their fave teacher tried to put his hand on my boob ('didn't he just graze tho??'). ' I don't care how many times you've read the story (bffr bro who cares, again its like do yk how long I've known X idol, tht experience only happened ONCE tht doesnt make them a bad person), it could genuinely be a good one I'm not saying it isn't, what I am saying is tht u, sir, r icky.
PS words can cause pain, just like u wouldn't say this 'one bit of SA' shit in person (I hope u don'), maybe avoid doing tht online. Also, I tried to keep my words as gentle as possible bc idk ur age but this type of weirdness about a story is um??? Not great???
(not sure if you blocked me or not But let me try and clear this anyways)
When I said "a bit of SA" I meant "a bit of SA" compared to the rest of the story, not that it's little. The entire story is long af and compared to that that "bit of SA" is about 0.1%. thats what I meant by "a bit". I'm not trying to undermine any sort of sexual assault. I'm sorry I should've worded it differently and I'm sorry all that happened to you. You can view it as harshly of an impact as you want on the story, but the fact still stands it bears to significance to the plot itself, that's what I meant to say.
I get that you're upset and I'm sorry for offending you with my words, but it is not my intention to undermine any sort of sexual assault. OP asked how we are reading this despite there being SA in there and my point still stands that that SA is not essential to the plot and thus does not make the story any worse. However, if you choose to view it more deeply, I get that and I'm sorry all that happened to you. But, compared to the rest of the story it is not an element that would be touched up upon nor will it happen again.
Again, babes i didn't say anything about the story. A story is a story, as an avid book reader since I learned to read, I can say tht no matter how much u love a story and as important as it feels to u (MDZS for me), it's not real life however the person tht u r saying these things online does exist in real life as a human person. They said smth to tht story online is not gonna harm the story (ya maybe it'll turn some ppl off but thts just how stories and media runs, even critics bring ppl in u never know who would read it out of spite either), however u posting this online for other REAL ppl would harm someone. I'm saying tht and I'm holding ur hand here, ur behavior ab it is weirdd. Bro i read Waterside Night bc of the character development and tht story has some of the worst rape I've seen in manhwa (most of which I was able to skip bc of warnings n truly ppl like this who would point out why they had to stop reading). I am not ab to argue ab why rape or SA is completely unnecessary and STUPID to add in most bls, what I am saying tho is talk to someone irl, drink some water, maybe think ab why this type of comment at another person doesn't get solved w a 'i made an oopsie w the way i said tht' bc that's not how it works. Ik we all think tht these r just rando strangers and being online makes rl seem so far away, but these r real ppl with real lives, and u don't know how u could inadvertently deeply harm someone u care ab some day bc you make brash and ruthless ways of speaking a daily thing online.
I'm giving u the benefit of the doubt and, again, u might be too young idk, but I'm saying this can hurt someone irl so think before u write online about sensitive matters tht might harm someone
Anyways u seem nice enough just learn to keep a handle on ur obsession before it leaks onto other sectors of ur life as well. Spend some time with ur friends and family, rest ur mind for a bit, idk if ur like the moderator or smth but good things exist out of this too.
Okay you're right I don't understand. I'm not trying to undermine any sort of SA here and I'm truly trying to understand this from your point of view. You want me to think about when I said " a bit of SA" right? Believe me when I say I've been thinking about this the entire day and what I'm saying may be wrong here. I get that when I said it it might offend or be harmful to people that are sensitive to this subject, what I don't understand is why this might be an issue if I'm comparing the amount of SA in this story to the full story itsself. If I was saying "oh it's just two panels of him putting his dick on his mouth and it's just that" I understand why people may be upset because I am then undermining the issue of sexual assault (which is why I believe people might be upset). But I am not trying to do that am I am simply saying that when it is in the rest of the story, it brings to significance, story wise, and not that the SA itself is not significant.
I understand what you're trying to say that my comment of it not being significant to the story might be significant to others that might be more sensitive to the subject and I get that. People can think of it as significant as they want, they might be more affected to this matter and it might stay in their heads for the entirety of the rest of the story. But I am simply stating that despite this happening, the story can still be good. Or maybe that's why you're upset. that I tell people that despite the SA the story can still be good. (like you said, I might still be too young to understand). In that case I'll be more mindful from now on. but I do enjoy the story very much so sometimes I just can't sit back and have people say the story is ass just by reading 3 chapters alone without knowing anything.
You may be right, after this discussion maybe I'm getting to deep into this and read way too much brain rot and really need to go touch grass. ╥﹏╥
Listen, stories can feel very real sometimes, I had a period in my life where I thought tht the only thing keeping me going was Mo Dao Zu Shi, so much so tht when ppl would point out how problematic the depiction of the rape kink and LWJ not stopping when WWX told him to was in the story and how the show was better, my blood pressure would go through the roof. I would be like well thats in the side stories, do you know how long the story is, its legit not EVEN A PART OF THE MAIN STORY. While the SA may be short compared to the rest of the story, its still important to acknowledge even tht much might make a person get the ick and that they are valid for reacting this way. I'm not exactly upset bc you said just a lil bit of SA in comparison to the full length can still make it a good STORY, your comment is upsetting becsuse you could have simply written, "for anyone new here, there is SA in the first few pages, while I love this story and don't believe tht the SA is tht significant and can be skipped, please keep this in mind if you decide to start the story as well." There is no need to get mad at or shame ppl who don't want to read a story for valid reasons. People who read like pedo tragedy stories after seeing the tags and then get mad tht the story includes a pedophile, I can understand why others would get mad at tht bc that's a huge part of the story but in this case there are no tags and as you said it doesnt rlly add anything tht to the story so maybe when it came they felt too disgusted to believe tht the story is good. I was 17 or 18 when I first read MDZS and as much as I still adore it I hv also learned a lot ab life, I don't rlly know what's going on in the life of someone who decides to hate the entire book bc of the sa, no matter how short SA scenes r compared to the book they can still impact ppl + may ruin the entire story for some and, finally, some ppl will love the book and some ppl will hate it, if it's for smth like SA it's better to just simply give a word of warning about ppl who are sensitive to these matters.
As real a story feels to u it is still fiction and does not exist beyond past tht
I think so, maybe you kind of formed a parasocial relation with it or maybe you're using it escape certain things in ur life (me during MDZS) but I think its important to take a look around ur life and acknowledge some good things in tht as well
Alright, I see what you're saying now. I get it, I'll give people a warning next time. I got ahead of myself because I've seen stuff like OP's post way too many times. But it's as you said, there are still people that might be affected so I'll be more careful from now on and get in touch with reality. ╥﹏╥
Also, to clarify pedo tragedy refers to stories where one of the characters r SAed by pedos and they show the story of their survival and trauma after (tht Maria story thing- can't rmr name rn), I do NOT mean CP or pedo fetishizing stories like Lolita
Yea man, and phrasing it like a warning to newcomers may encourage ppl more! Also, I think I'll try the manhwa, do u think u could answer the questions in the next comment for me? I just wanna be sure I can handle it before I read it, I don't this for most manhwa i start
Do any of the main leads get SAed in the manhwa (other than what's mentioned in the comment)?
Do they discuss past SA/rape of the main leads by outsiders? Especially pedos/older ppl?
Are there any love triangles? Any exes showing up again (even in good nature)? If so where and what is it about?
Do they get with anyone or are they attracted to any other ppl in the manhwa? Do they have fwbs in the beginning?
Do they hv sex with others for their job, money, etc. Etc?
Is there any attempted rape by other characters in the manhwa?
sure! Id be happy to answer them, so.
1.
No, none of them do. None of the main leads or even the important side characters will get SA'd other than that part in the beginning.
2.
No, none of the main leads have ever been SA'd or groomed by outsiders.
3.
So there will be a character that shows up (the main antagonist) who will become obsessed with the main character, who will turn out to be the main character's half brother (same mother). He will kidnap the mc quite a few times and try to get him to be his "family" BUT HE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING SEXUAL TO THE MC. (it is in the novel, and have shown up in the raws, but not the translated chapters yet)
4.
In one of the chapters, I'm pretty sure a solider mentioned the ML fucked around with others before but that is before he met the mc and before the story even starts. In the story there will NOT be any fwb, or fooling around with other people. The ML and mc will not be attached to saying but each other.
5.
No, there will not be any sort of sex for money, no characters will be SA'd (besides the one mentioned) and there will NOT be any rape attempt by any characters on ANY characters. Like mentioned before, yes there will be a character who becomes obsessed with the mc but he will never do anything sexual to him. The worst is bodily harm but nothing sexual will be involved.
Oh yea, in one chapter it'll mention that the mc also had exes BUT NO EXES ARE GOING TO SHOW UP. No love triangle, it's just these two.
Great explanation, thank you so much!
damn i wish people would say this to that one omegaverse SA flop