
Pissing on this gorgeous art by stamping that little-girl sig all over it, covering up this terrific artist's work, makes you a selfish, undeserving asshole. Wherever you are, I hope you're listening, you little creep.

Wtf is wrong with you? You know that stamp is a watermark which is always seen on the illegal korean websites like toonkor/newtoki. That person translating chapter 2 basically got the raws from there, the watermark was already there and they probably don't have the tools and skills to remove it. So no, they also didn't pay for it. The original raws wouldn't have had a watermark. I hated the sloppy cropping, the constant apologies under the panels and the bad Google translation too, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to insult someone and call them bad names. You have 4 choices in such cases,
1. You ask them KINDLY to stop translating this and let someone else pick this up,
2. You pay for it and translate it yourself,
3. You wait for the official translation,
or 4. you shut up and just take what you get.

Whoever stamped shlt all over this artist's work is an asshole. No matter how much you bltch at me, that doesn't change. That you're actually making a case for some spoiled brat to use their color crayons to mark on someone's art is for shlt. This artist's work is too good for that, and your griping has less than zero effect on me.

Lmao who hurt you I literally only explained the situation to you, I didn't defend anyone, I just prefer to solve things in a more peaceful way. If you worship that artist's work so much, then why are you even here? I hope you know this site is illegal and you're literally not supporting your dear artist in any way by not paying them a single penny.

Lmao who hurt you I literally only explained the situation to you, I didn't defend anyone, I just prefer to solve things in a more peaceful way. If you worship this artists' work so much, then why are you even here? This is an illegal site, you're not supporting the artist in any way by not paying them a single penny. Also what are you trying to prove to me? I don't care if my comment has any "effect" on you since I was trying to educate you, meanwhile you're trying to make it sound like I'm bullying you, which isn't the case. You're the one being rude. Maybe you're also just a troll, whatever.

sure thing. you weren't rude at all. You just want peace. It's not about you just wanting to bltch, you were just trying to educate me. That's what you're selling? Liar. Saying, "who hurt you?" is not your own original thought. It's just something lots of other people say, and it's condescending. When you dedicate your whole life to art, you also can read this stuff for free. What's your excuse? Calling people trolls is not nice. I'm supporting artists by defending them when they aren't here to defend themselves. No, I'm bullying you, dumb shlt. I don't call things illegal when I'm benefitting from their generosity. You should stop biting the hand that feeds you all those Tacos, Taku.

LMFAOOOO THIS IS HILARIOUS Look, I said I PREFER to solve things more peacefully but that doesn't mean I'll tolerate all the bullshit you're throwing at me. I don't owe you any kindness when you've been rude from the very start. You're a lil' delusional one. The artist will give a crap about your dedication to art when you're not paying for their hard work. What are you imagining? If the artist would see all this BS, they wouldn't think "Oh, someone defended my art! Someone complained and whined about the illegal watermarks put on my drawings! How thoughtful of them!" they'd more likely be like "...and? You're not any better than them, reading my pirated work for free and not supporting me". Sis you're a hypocrite, I hope you'll come to realise that one day. Just because you dedicate your whole life to art doesn't give you a free travel ticket, as we like to say in german. I also can't go to a book store and demand the cashier to give me the books for free because I have dedicated my whole life to reading and writing, so I deserve these books for free and other people don't. Dumbass logic. But if you think that's exactly your logic, why don't you try it out yourself IRL, bet the police will have a lot of fun dealing with your smart blabbering

you said, "The artist will give a crap about your dedication to art when you're not paying for their hard work." Can you prove that specious statement? No. You cannot. You call me "Sis" I'm not your sister. I usually don't give a shlt if someone says "she" and "her" to me, but I don't want to hear it from you. You've been quite rude to me from the start. From the start I wasn't even talking to you, so, no, I was not rude to you from the start. You started this. Now. You don't believe in any solidarity among artists. Is that what you're trying to run by me? You think, say, among doctors there's no professional courtesy, as in I'll treat you for free because you also are a doctor? You're saying these things don't exist? How old are you? come the hell on. You keep throwing insults at me, yet say you won't tolerate any shlt from my smart blabbering mouth?
I don't even care if you're rude to me. It's as cute to me as your pfp. I don't care. You say you've dedicated your whole life to writing? Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is. Reference some of your writing. Prove that.
I don't like it when people deface someone's art and disfigure the drawings of their characters. I do not like it. That was my entire point. You jumped my shit for it. You'll defend an artist who isn't here, but try to piss on one who is. That's hypocrisy.

"this reminded me of my reply to someone here ages ago. omg I laughed so hard when I read this" What the hell? You're ganging up? This is what you people like you and Taco always do. Pick sides. Jump into the fray. You are for shit for playing games like this. Go pick your own fight. Don't do it here as if you're Taco's sycophant. Go ahead, keep coming at me, lackey of the person who started the fight.

It's my topic, and I mean it, and I'll say it again to all of you who attack someone who is doing nothing more than defending the artist of this really terrific manhwa. Keep forming gangs like a nursery school clique. You pay lip service to supporting artists, but you're all too ready to fight about it when someone defends a specific artist of an admirable manhwa. I don't care if we're standing on the corner reading a manhwa someone stole out of the comic book store. In any venue, I still say it's shitty of you to speak against anyone supporting artists in any way while you're sitting on your fat asses reading their stuff, and it is especially reprehensible to support the act of marking all over an artist's art.

You are so dumb I can't even take you seriously, you were literally attacking people and all of a sudden you want to play the victim, can't handle an argument don't start it in the first place, acting like a creep saying shit like "I checked your profile" and then acting like justice league saying that you are defending authors work.
First of all...., get your facts right instead of bitching the watermarks comes from the rawr website so is not the uploader or translators fault.
Second if it pisses you off so much, why don't you get up your FAT LASY ASS and do better, isn't that what you said yourself? Go on, do better instead of complaining.
Third you act as if your insuts towards others are defending the author, have you read your own replies you deserve no respect, if you believe you can read this for free, what the hell are you doing here? Oh I guess you can't read it for free unless you read it from here.
Lastly, stop being a hypocrite, you started the fight and now you want to blame others, typical of people like you, playing the victim must be your specialty.... don't pick a fight with me, taco was way too nice to you I on the other hand won't be.
Have a great day author supporter who reads her works illegally and pays nothing for it and demands it to me watermark free lol clown.

Yeah I sincerely apologize for assuming and genders and calling u a bitch, that wasn’t very mature of me so sorry. I just think it was very funny and I’m not trying to get involved in y’all arguments but she’s right, I mean it’s good that you as an artist appreciate someone’s work but come one you’re in an illegal website, you as an artist should know better how much it takes to make something and for you to come here and read it HERE that’s not appreciating it at all.

I appreciate it your kindness. I don't think she's right, though, and her personal rudeness toward me was annoying. You telling me she's right, honestly, is annoying. This artist would let me read this manhwa for free if I asked. Also, illegal or not, being here is how I keep up with the industry.
I really don't see why you feel a need to be apologetic to me and extend such kindness regarding my gender. I'd rather you be kind to me about being an artist, and flip me off for making a fuss about assuming my gender.
I can understand, I guess, you thinking it's funny. I think lots of things are funny that other people don't, and I didn't say what I said to make enemies. Still, it's infuriating to me to see marks all over the actual bodies of the characters of such beautiful art, and I realize other people don't see it that way, but, to me, it's the same way I'd feel if someone graffitied Michaelangelo's Statue of David or the Winged Nike.
Thank you for your reply. much appreciated.

I believe something must be wrong with your brain.
1. Why don't you ask the author yourself? What will happen is that they'll threat to drop their work or sue you or the uploaders. Congratulations you delusional twat.
2. I know damn well you're not my sister and I'm beyond glad you're not. Why are you taking every little thing LITERALLY?
3. Oh, you weren't talking to me from the start? You made a public comment, and there is a "reply" button for a reason, I am always allowed to tell you my opinion and you have to expect getting criticism, especially when you're saying delusional dumb BS like this. Hilarious. If you don't want critical replies, just talk to a wall at this point.
4. You should carefully read our whole conversation again, then you should notice that your original comment was already rude from the start. My first reply to you wasn't exactly rude, I was basically expressing me being shocked and irritated from your unnecessary rude behavior, but overall I was still trying to be kind. I became rude because you wouldn't stop insulting me, therefore you don't deserve any kindness from me. You get treated like you treat others and I didn't start it, no matter how much you wanna twist it to your liking: YOU started it.
5. Can't you READ? I was making an EXAMPLE. Did no one ever teach you that? An example can be random picked. Which I did. I don't have to prove shit to you. I was using the example of reading/writing because if I used the topic "art", your pea brain would've understand my point even less. For examples, it's the whole point of using something different to prove your point because the other person wouldn't get it with the original topic.
6. Idfc what kind of "artist" you are when you are part of a whole website that indirectly disrespects a hell lot of manga/webtoon artists by reading their pirated work illegally for free, when they are working their asses of for it and even LIVE from the money they should get for it. At least I'm admitting it. I feel bad for it and I've sworn to myself that as soon as I get a stable income, that I will pay every single chapter that I have read back to the artists. You should do that too. At least that would ACTUALLY make an impact. You complaining and whining about the watermarks didn't and will never change anything. You did nothing for the artist. Not on a physical level, and also not a spiritual level, you did nothing for them. You're just selfish and trying to prove something to yourself. You sound like it's all about you. I've realised. You give a shit about the artist of this webtoon.

Lmao why are you always assuming things on your own "This is what you people like you and Taco always do" You don't even know me. And again, you're being delusional. I should make a counter for this. Who tf is ganging up here? No one. I don't even know these people, I didn't call for them. AGAIN, this is a PUBLIC comment section and if people read this and wanna speak their mind, then they should do that. If they agree with me or with you doesn't matter. Ganging up means I'm intentionally gathering people I know here to jump on you because I can't do it on my own, but I sure as hell can deal with your ass on my own, don't worry. No one is ganging up here.

Hey, Justice League is one of my longtime favorite comic books. I love it you said that. I used to collect it, and, yes, I paid for it.
If you don't think I can do better, that's fine. You didn't think Taco's pfp was cute?
Damn, woman, I didn't start it. You think what Taco said to me first: "Wtf is wrong with you?" and "shut up and just take what you get" were Taco being too nice to me? Cuz I didn't see it that way.
I think I'm pretty good at playing the victim. No? LOL
I don't think you meant that "have a nice day." LOL I consider being called a clown a compliment, so thanks for that. No one's called me that since grade school, and I've missed it. lmao. Posting this shlt is my way of avoiding work, so thanks again for the distraction. LOL

PREACH!! Agreed with you on every point.
Talking to this person kills off my poor braincells, sometimes it feels so unreal to me that people like them actually exist and mean what they say. Let's stop talking to them, we're honestly wasting our precious time on them and they don't deserve our time, nor our attention. Since this seems like what they want. They keep saying "I don't care I don't care mimimimi" but reply on every single comment here, sounding bitter af. I guess they do care. I'm tired of trying to lecture some weird stranger on the internet so let's just go.
Their argument will be: "Oh you're leaving? Guess you have no arguments anymore, I've won" To this I'd like to say: Quicksilver, you've won shit. All the arguments that were needed for you, are available to read for you in this comment section. You can read it over and over again, but I won't feed you something new anymore. I bet you know that frustrating feeling when you're trying to prove your point to someone and they leave you on read, secretly laughing at you? Yea, I'll give that to you. I'll invest my time more effectively on something else, bye. Have fun being bitter.

Maria's is a preacher? Get me outa here. LOL It figures with that name. I'd say now Maria and you are definitely ganging up. LOL Hey, I care. That's mean. I noticed how I'd killed off some of your brain cells. How will you live without them?
Thank you for saying I've won. You're too generous. much appreciated. I admit I sometimes read my own arguments again and sometimes even masturbate to them. No one's perfect.

Don't waste any more time on this person, honestly it's useless, just ignore them, people like that hates being ignored that's why they keep trying to trigger you to keep replying to them, they are attention seekers so let's just go buddy, someone else will probably reply to their bullshit next time but not us

You two can tell yurselves you "owned" the guy, but he argued circles around you. He did'nt start it. He wasn't even talking to you tacytaco. He scored more than two logical arguments for every one of you two's put together, and he obviously "owned" you. lmao. Plus, he's on the right side of the issue. I'm reading this whole entertaining match from the start where he's speaking out for the artist, and all you doing is being noisy with a load of pissy nonsense. LOL

yeah I think I now get what you're saying, and I'm not trying to side with anyone but everyone can express their opinions and now I think you're just expressing yours as an artist watching another artist's work being marked like if it were theirs is upsetting, so yeah I get what you mean now, and sorry again for calling u a bitch lolol.

Just cuz its a free illegal site n just cuz u say its ok doesnt mean its OK! U implying that the ones who r doing a great job n d the ones who arent r same? There's a reason y people standup 4 good work cuz they work REALLY hard 2 make one n then on taking down the bad ones too! N y would anyone wait for the official work when some1's already doing a pretty good job? There r people who like quality work, n there wasnt a single watermark in chap3?Y? Cuz they didnt upload just cuz they were bored!Y'all r the same people who r defending those crappy work,n y'@ll giving excuses that volunteering 4 free work excuse your sloppy work, at the same time askin them to reupload the first 2 chaps,cuz u want 2 see some decent work, shows how brainless u people r! Stop it, y'all hypocrites!

Your horrible way of spelling and typing gives me a headache. I have already stated everything there was to say about this topic, I'm not gonna explain myself for the third time. It's funny how all of a sudden 2 people are popping up out of nowhere to defend the OP, the same OP who was complaining about "ganging up" when no one actually was. I've visited Miki's profile and saw that they've already been interacting with Quicksilver before. OP's comment must already be buried somewhere deep in the comment section of this webtoon and most people won't bother to scroll and click that far to read every single comment. + interesting thing is, that all Quicksilver, Miki and Mai have a similar way of talking. So Quicksilver basically either brought their friends to gang up now (lmao, that's what I call hypocrisy) or they have multiple accounts, which would be even more sad. I almost pity you. You must be happy and filled with utter satisfaction that I've given you attention again, glad to be such an important person in your life. I'll leave it now tho. This is my final word.

Qdragon recommended this manhwa, so I've been reading it all along and following these comment thread from the start of your nastyass bitching for no reason. I already said that. His comment was on the first page! WTF? Nothing was buried. That's ludicrous. I didn't agree with you so I'm here dishonestly just because of that? I don't know who mai is or what she's saying I thought she was on your side so whose side is she on if not you? All that was her being in support of Q? lol That's delusional

I'll say the same thing I said to the topic owner.
If it bothers you so much to the point you don't appreciate their efforts, cause yes you all bitching about the watermark but none of you did better so far. When any of you actually do a better job we can talk. Not everyone is skillful enough to remove watermarks from illegal rawrs, why are you all pressed when none of you actually worked on the chapters, easy to point fingers but getting up and doing it is another matter.
Work on it, try doing better lol, what a damn joke you all are. so it's okay to be rude and wish bad on "whoever put the watermark" as long as it makes you feel better.
"Why wait for the official when someone is doing a good job" the hypocrisy kills me. First you complain then you applaud, make up your mind.
And please whoever confused me with Mai or "Maria" learn to read, how can you confuse two different people.

I wasnt even talking to u oh well, u didnt have to write the same thing that whole cs has already said a million times, i never complaint about people who do a good job , n nonbody confused u ok, y r u even mentioning this to me! Yeah right! if ive to do something for free , ill just neglect people n do it cuz its free, the other person should b grategul .lol thats hilarious, it'd better not do it rather than with this attitude! U implying that people cant point out a mistake now. Duh your damn joke!

it's just inconsiderate when reading your shit is like walking on a rocky trail. You have to go real slow and step over boulders. You know English, right? You can at least make it so other people can read it. Also, maybe you could also try to make sense. I'm just telling you the truth. I still don't know what you've been talking about all this time, lady.

This is not about me "doing better." There's a consensus among the translation teams I know that you don't put your stamps and sigs over the artist's characters, not their bodies, faces, dialogue, gorgeous scenery, or any part of the story that interferes with the artist's book. If you do, you're going to catch hell from one of us on the other side of the ocean, and one of us is might even remove those stamps that disfigure the artist's story and characters. I've removed such stamps and sigs, and you'd never know they were there to begin with. It's done, and they deserve that and more. You guys think they never see anything on this site. you're naive. Even if they don't it's worth it to protest their awful, stupid, insulting, in bad taste behavior against the very artists whose work they are presenting, and it benefits the readers here.

LOL this totally sounds like a free English class! at least u sound better than mean teacher Miara, who thinks that u have poor writing skills if u dont have time to recheck your spellings! lol. Sorry teach, my bad, i was in a bit hurry, i couldnt recheck and correct my spellings after posting like that spelling specialist Miara. Ty for keeping up with my poor scribbling skills! Lol

LOL. One of them was smart enough to reason her way through things. that was tako. LOL Tako went from if this then that and this happens and this and this and this and that's how it is, stupid. LOL. but then she lets inferior maria drag her into a pseudo temporary family situation. LOLOLOL I hate aggregator types. They're always dragging cuz they can't stand on their own even for a few minutes. Mommylonglegs was the one who turned out to be smart, able to think independently and even rethink, and be kind. That's rare. The ability to say it is rare.

I'm right here on you, Q. The more egalitarian a society, the less alike the opposites become. less. So these assholes r gonna clan-up on you every time. Oh I see that Mai is too good to spellcheck. LOL At least she's nice. to Q lmao I hear she's a doctor. can't be. LOL JK, Mai. but since I already pissed on Q, he's now mine. lmao. so if you ask me nice, I'll make him reopen his book. LOL She's gonna kill me. lmao

This is the best "first time" story I've ever seen. You have one guy, the seme, who is highly skilled at lovemaking, and you have the other guy who needs the gentle guidance that skilled guy can provide. Everyone should be so lucky as to have their first time be like this.
not to mention it makes for a really great read

I hate women. no sense of humor. constantly squawking about rape. can't take a joke. don't have the same taste as me in porn....

I do hate the way the women around here are all supportive of people who like to read S&M, and you'd better not mock that shlt cuz that's kink-shaming and kink shamers are bad people(LOL), but if you sort of like to read stuff about one guy getting a little pushy and dominant over some other guy, that's rape and you'd better not enjoy that because it's disgusting, and you're disgusting, you need psychiatric help, you're a rapist yourself, you should be dead in a ditch or knifed in the throat. All of these things have been said to me. I don't even care that much about rape (lol) I just want to read something hot, but I'll be damned if I'll join a bunch of hypocrites who support one kink and out of the other side of their mouths shame the shit out of someone else's kink.

Saying "seek help" is condescending and hints that the target of the remark is mentally ill. Now. I didn't have to inform you of this. You already knew exactly what you were saying, which also makes you a liar. When I add in the rudeness of "calm yourself," which implies that the target of the remark is not calm but in some sort of needless hysterical state of over something you said. You know that's not the case, so you saying it means you like to say rude shlt like that. You basically suck.

The biggest joke is that a rape apologist who enjoys making sexist jokes think that a little bit of condescending tone is bad and rude, and can’t bear it. You expect people to accept the shits you say (and think they are snowflakes if they can’t) but you react to a mere “seek help”? I see you are a “do as I say not as I do” kind of person

"seek help" is equivalent to racist or sexist phrases and carries the same underlying contempt and condescension. The phrase and those like it seek to cancel someone's validity as a rational human being in order to silence them. I'm sick of it. In this forum it's constant use means it's time to speak up against it. so fuck you.

You have your concerns. I have mine. I don't have to care about all forms of oppression, only a few
I find the constant bitching about rape in fictional stories oppressive. I'm a rape apologist for the rapists in yaoi stories and for the right of the artists to draw them. I'm not bound by any inner stricture requiring me to refrain from making jokes if I want. I don't feel guilty, and I don't care about the feelings of people who don't like it. I don't care if someone gets triggered or offended. I can't imagine why anyone would expect me to be responsible for their personal feelings.
I'll fight for anyone's right to say anything they want even if I find it offensive. To me, offensive language is being confronted about idiotic shlt I'm not guilty of, but I'll fight for your right to confront me if you want.
I care about me being targeted, and I'm not here defend widows and orphans..... unless I like them and they need my help and ask for it. Most of the widows and orphans I know, however, are capable of defending themselves.

You keep showing your contradictions, it’s so obvious that it makes no sense you don’t see them:
“I'll fight for anyone's right to say anything they want even if I find it offensive”
But then...”I care about me being targeted”
Btw, why bother having a moral (about comments who should or should not be said, like the sanist one) if you only care about yourself and don’t follow your own principles? Moral and ethic by definition concern everyone

no. my morals are mine alone, unlike other people's, and guided by my conscience. Trust me, I'm a highly moral person.
Even if in your opinion the things I say are contradictory, they can still coexist. Anyway, there's no contradiction. the first part is my outlook on civil rights. I'm a freedom of speech absolutist.
I care about me being targeted. that's not unreasonable. Many people think we have a moral obligation to agree with other people's feelings. I don't, and I find that view immature.
ethics is slightly different and kind of irrelevant. has to do with business and professional practices in general and also principles. That doesn't quite cover it, but morals is the better word for this discussion

Have you seen that? God Only Knows vid? You've got to see this. BBC's production. It's not new, but it's fukin great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqLTe8h0-jo&ab_channel=BBCMusic

hello??? are you saying r@pe is your kink??
''but I'll be damned if I'll join a bunch of hypocrites who support one kink and out of the other side of their mouths shame the shit out of someone else's kink'' your words what kind of brain damage did you get to think of rape as a kink
first of all are you okay? second mf S&M it's very different from r@pe, it has consent, safe words and aftercare its just a google search away, r@pe on the other hand is smth done by someone who doesn't care what happened to the person getting ... as long as the r@pist is enjoying them-self if that's what you're into then you need help

Who's going to say they rape RL people for a hobby cuz it's their kink? On a public forum? WTF how dare you ask me that. How many gay men do you know who skulk down dank alleys looking for women to rape? Where are your manners?
No, you're wrong about rape. Reading about rape is just as valid as reading about S&M. If a couple wants to do a play rape fantasy, it's none of your damned business anymore than you have a right to judge a couple who like S&M play. WTF? It should go without saying that what is said here relates to the topics involved in this genre. Develop some ethics when you deal with people in a cs inside a genre.

who said anything about ''gay man skulking down dank alleys to look for women to rape''? you just made that out yourself you do know that women are not the only people who get raped right? sad reality. I'm not saying that reading about rape is ''not valid'' if it's part of a story and if it's to develop a plot then sure yea but not romanticized to a point where you're making other people feel unsafe. I get what you're saying if 'rape rp/fantasy' is your thing go for it i'm not judging you, but you and your partner/partners need to both give consent before it starts and then you can act out your fantasies otherwise it's not a rape rp it's real f#cking rape

thanks for making an obvious point.
If you're too emotionally unstable to handle a soft plot element that helps avoid exposition in a yaoi story, you stay away from that which makes you uncomfortable. The victim themselves has that choice, not you as their guardian who can't mind their own business. I'm being rude to you because you don't know it but you're being rude to me first, for one thing, by preaching to me about my personal life.
Consent does not have to be ploddingly talked through in mood spoiling verbage between two people in a committed relationship who already planned to do the fantasy for chrissakes! Wtf with your "beforehand." Take care of your own relationship. Stay out of consenting adult's bedrooms. Who are you to intrude on mine and my partner's relationship with your didactic rules that are straight out of a book and not your own thought-through ideas?

dude idc what goes on your relationship as you say but you still need consent even if you are in a committed relationship. They are not straight out of a book as someone who has experience being in a not healthy relationship and being used for ones own pleasure i speak from my mind i don't really give any fucks if it ruins the mood you can make a list a day before or smth like that idk but consent needs to be given unless you've been with that partner for a long time and actually trust one each other. Didn't ask if you've ever acted out that fantasy and i didn't need to know and about the victim and guardian thing? i don't really understand that part anyways i will not continue and sit here to argue with someone i have never met before if you enjoy what you're doing AND not hurting yourself or others go for it i don't care

are you dense? I don't owe you any explanations!! Do you get that it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!! Do you know how nasty if feels to have some stranger talk down to you how to run your sex life? It's disgusting. It's gross. It's invasive. It's abusive the way you're handling this. . It feels like violation. You cannot be this unaware of other people's right to privacy, which comes above your pompous egotistical sex instructor attitude.
You're inappropriate and have no right. I do not care about your relationships. Do not speak to people with all your layers of condescension. you are so rude. stop this. I'm saying no. learn what no means

ironic to read you say ''learn what no means'' with your ''fantasies'' i didn't ask for explanations you brought a point which had nothing to do about the topic we were talking on and now you want to act like I'm violating you? Grow up I'm talking to you about rules that differs real rape from roleplay. Learn what is okay and whats not for fucks sake do us all a favor and keep your opinions to yourself as you said no one needs to know what goes on in your sex life. Of course i will talk down on your sex life if your it consists of non consent sex alright! I have been talking very nicely to you explaining something, you are the one who's being rude. goodbye

your half baked rules are sick and you don't even know it. I don't believe in your stupid consent rules. that you don't see them for the stupid illogical bullshit that doesn't make sense or fit with rl, you need to think very very hard about it. you have no right to talk down to me about anything. I'll run my life as I see fit by my own morals. you can't even see that you're trying to dictate to other people what they should do in private. you will not get far in life that way.

YOUR MORALS ARE TO RAPE YOU EVEN SAID IT YOURSELF YOU HAVE RAPE AS A KINK. Now imagine telling that to someone who has suffered that horrible thing that has ruined their childhood, their life THEIR OWN MORALS please think before you say something stupid on the internet, you're not the only person who sees it and you have no control over who sees it a

Lost Virgin is a perfect example of the hypocrisy of those who vehemently protest against everything they consider rape. This story is sweet and sexy. The art is fabulous. Yet it has all the elements the sjw's call rape, and not a single one of them has ever said it was rape. In fact they can't stop raving about how cute and wonderful it is. The seme gets violent with the uke. The seme talks him into the sex. The uke says, "No, Stop, and Wait," several times. In the second sex scene the uke doesn't consent and protests against having sex.
It's a sweet pleasurable read. Everyone loves it. No one disapproves, and it's highly rated. It proves that as long as they like it, not one of you will call it rape. Deal with your own hypocrisy.

I haven't read this one and i scanned through the first one but i did see a piece of it.
This is definitely rape. He was taking advantage of the fact that the uke was finding himself.
Tbh because manga is fiction i personally dont mind. I usually ignore it.
I think people should read the tags and warnings
although unfortunately some dont have them but yeah i agree

if you're referring to me, I read the first one, Renai, when it first came out. I loved it. It was this author's first book, she poured her heart into it. It's a long, complicated story that must have taken her ages to work out. She even tries to have a theme. I can't believe the low attitudes of some of people.

Any rapist in any manga/manwha on this site would be a better choice of partner than Shiwon. I just hope that when you grow up and live through an encounter with a monster like Shiwon, you'll think back to this story when you thought Shiwon's behavior was love.
I really can't believe that so many women can be so naive.

I think you guys mistook their names. Shiwon is the silver haired guy. Hyundo is the redhead kid. Shiwon is a gentle understanding guy. He was the one who didnt go all the way with mc cuz mc cried and he didnt dump mc even after hyundo fucked mc.The one tht threaten n raped mc is hyundo (when he just got together with his lover). I just find the ending of hyundo n mc abit lackluster. I just wish he beat up hyundo instead of forgiving him tht easily.

nope. Hyundo is the good one. That rape was not part of the original script. It was when Aiju did an about face and let the fans write the rest of the story - right in the middle of the scene that was OBVIOUSLY supposed to be Ian and Hondo making up and patching things up between them. Aeju changed it when she needed to villify the sweet young beautiful Hondo. Jeez. Read what I said about the real villain of the story: Shiwon. It seems like someone named Misanthrope would hate asshole, shitwon.

I sincerely do not understand to the point that I think we are reading a different story. I have no clue of the original script or how it was planned to go. But from what i read hyundo was very sweet until the point where he meet with his first love and they got together. But when he heard mc n shiwon got together. He became batshit jealous. From what i read i see no problem with shiwon other than he argue with mc a lot over little things. Its a love triangle. Ofc shiwon gonna fight with hyundo. It seems ur bias of hyundo and mc. To me it doesnt matter who gets together with who. But once u do a taboo its is an eye for an eye.
P.S if you reply please tell me the section where shiwon is being a manipulative jerk. Misanthrope is just the dislike people generally. Zero bias. I do have exceptions who I'm okay with. Dont give me hate due to the name. Like dude i didnt even call hyundo a monster even when u call shiwon a monster.

If you see no problem with Shiwon, I hope you never meet a Shiwon in real life.
Here you go, these are excerpts. let me point out the obvious: Shiwon was the worst behaved character in the story. stalking, intruding on Ian and hondo's dates, contacting hondo out of Ian's presence, demanding marriage or "I'll never speak to you again" when he knew Ian had not yet had a chance to settle his feelings for Hondo, Putting Ian through the awful experience of ruthless ultimatums.
Men like Shitwand never stop. That ultimatum marriage proposal was a dress rehearsal for the rest of the relationship. Ian will live from ultimatum to ultimatum with that shiwon freak. Anytime shitwon wants something, he will play that card "I'll never speak to you again if you....fill in the blank" if you go out with this or that friend from your college days, if you get that look on your face that says such and such, if you wear those tight pants, if you visit your mother who I don't like, if you won't pay 60% of the rent, if you won't cut ties with so and so, if you won't stop confiding in that bartender, if you won't quit your job, if you won't ...endless." That's the kind of ass you wanted Ian to be with.
He will be following Ian in his car, waiting to appear in Ian's face no matter where Ian is. Ian will be looking over his shoulder from now on.
There's your fluffy sh1t for a relationship
Hondo didn't do anything bad. Calling him immature is everyone's one complaint. They're not able to give any other examples of his bad deeds because there aren't any. As opposed to shitwon, who was a villain.
people raving about the change in the ending need to remember that Aeju didn't want the Ian/Shiwon ending. I don't understand why that's not important to you.

Does it matter who the mc ends up with. Of the author planed to make hyundo n mc, well ok. Mc ended up with shiwon because the author got pressured. To be honest tht comes with the industry. People tend to be overly opinionated. Stories are written for readers. If there is no readers a story will be dropped. It's not as if I got involved in the pressuring of the author. My opinion comes from reading the finished result. Even if I say anything now its not as if I can change what happen to the author or the storyline.
My opinion on why I think Shiwon's action reasonable:
Its a love triangle. Its a story, it got to have drama. Its fictional. For god sake dont fight over a fictional character. Everyone got their own opinion.
Intruding on the mc with hyundo. Hello?? It's a goddamn love triangle. Its not a love triangle if Shiwon just let hyundo be together with the mc no obstacle. If you want pure fluff no drama why are you looking at the author. Based on the authors previous story style i doubt the author will ever write pure fluff. Can you imagine a story when Shiwon doesnt even intrude at all.
"I will never speak to you" like dude. The mc is dense. If you want someone to really think, you have to give them the worst case scenario. It is not the first story on this site that have this type of line. Shiwon had an unrequited love for mc since he met mc. If mc wants to be with hyundo he will have to leave anyway. And even if mc is not going to date shiwon. They will not talk because Shiwon probably gotta get rid of his feelings first. If mc rejected Shiwon, Shiwon will probably decide to kill his feelings.
I think the only manipulative thing Shiwon ever did was the "I will never speak to you". He didnt even go beyond tht. The stalking. If you call that stalking what do you call real stalking. Real stalking is when u put gps and cameras all over the person. And never leave em alone. Have you read easy target by the same author. Like Shiwon is not as fucked up as tht. You wrote "any rapist in any manga/manhwa on this site" is better than Shiwon. Like dude have you read 'Killing Stalking'.
Manipulative is when you pressure a person over and over again and not just once. Manipulative is when u chain up a person until tht person have no other choice but be dependant on you.
Like you cant call a character evil for just saying "I will never speak to you". I say this multiple times to my younger brother.
Its not even as if i hate hyundo. Its just at least punch him in the guts before forgiving him instead of just a damn smile.
Its a story with fictional characters not real human beings or based on real life. You cannot say its naive to love this type of person. Like have you not seen worst??? I've seen worst type of manipulation before hence why I am called misanthrope. You called others naive but your arguement is the most naive one.
ITS A STORY. without any drama its not going to be a good story to read. A plot will always consist of conflict. You cannot review a story based on being bias for a character. But how the characters and the plot brings the story as a whole. If you dont like a character so be it but dont argue with other people because they dont share the same opinion as you. I only wrote a review based on the fact that i thought you mistook the character name, the second one was because you raged on my reply. This reply is because of your actions.

I disagree with this: "Mc ended up with shiwon because the author got pressured. To be honest tht comes with the industry" Produce proof of that being common practice.
I raged? You can't possibly know my mood, and I object to your assumption about me personally.
You said, "You cannot review a story based on being bias for a character." I can review a story based on anything I choose.
What I say is not disagreement. Shiwon certainly does everything I said he does, stalking, ultimatums etc. Your definition of stalking is incorrect. Stalking is repeatedly and covertly following someone.
An author does not write a story based solely on what readers want. Don't be stupid.
Doing that is producing a product.
My comment was not about you. It was an objection to fans demanding that a story be what they want. That's spoiled brats behavior.
MC was not with Shiwon first. He was with Hondo. He'd never previously been with Shiwon nor did he prefer Shiwon. He even preferred the new guy at the bar over Shiwon. Fans mistook the character of Shiwon. That's a pathetic comment on the intelligence of the readers. Shiwon was originally a plain, dowdy, character who turned into a villain and should have stayed that way.
No, I haven't read Killing Stalking. I'm not big on violence.
This is incorrect: "Manipulative is when u chain up a person until tht person have no other choice but be dependant on you." That is not manipulation. It's abduction. The result is sometimes Stockholm Syndrome. It's not part of this story.
Manipulation mainly means being nice to someone not because you like them but because you want to get something out of them, money, gifts, etc.
If you do this, "Like you cant call a character evil for just saying "I will never speak to you". I say this multiple times to my younger brother." That's not only manipulation, it's bullying, coercion, taking advantage of, and just plain mean. Don't lecture me on morals. Your conscience ought to tell you how wrong that is. I'm calling you evil.
What exactly did Hondo do to warrant, "Its just at least punch him in the guts before forgiving him instead of just a damn smile." This is violence. Ian would be guilty of a crime and subject to prosecution. Also, it's stupid and uncivilized.
I'm a lot of things, but naive isn't one of them.
Don't attempt to instruct me with this, "ITS A STORY. without any drama its not going to be a good story to read. A plot will always consist of conflict."
It's obvious to me, but it has nothing to do with my criticism.

I am not a rape apologist. That's stupid. Everyone knows that rape is wrong. That should go without everyone having to say it every time they comment. Unfortunately, Ian ended up with one of the worst characters I've ever seen in the yaoi world, maybe even the worst. His destructive personality holds an overwhelming amount of potential for evil. He's a nightmare mate You should know this because everyone knows that Aeju was designing him to be the bad guy. That you can't see it, is your misfortune. I hope this lack of judgement doesn't follow you into RL

It's pointless to hate rape in fiction. Wasted emotion. I call people like you haters because you make personal attacks for no reason. Stay on topic.
LOL Here's your masterpiece: Fan pressured, patched together, disjointed ending. Fans are lousy writers, and some of them don't know a villain when they see one.
You just want to fight.

I offer some suggestions and hope someone might find some use for them.
1. This is best way prevent the spoiler problem: Stop giving out the link to the novel, and top talking about the novel in the manhwa's cs. That's harsh, but even more harsh is all the people who are hurt and disappointed because of all the spoilers. Really, there's no reason to bring up the novel in this cs. Even if it's nice to tell people there's a novel, it's not nice when doing so causes so much upset and frustration for the commenters here.
2. If you do hand out the link, make CERTAIN you say: "Please do not take the link you got here, go read the novel, and then come back here to post spoilers. thanks." This actually works. I've been doing it in a cs I frequent, and we have almost no spoilers.
3. When someone posts a spoiler, everyone needs to let them know. One person speaking up doesn't do anything.
4. give instructions for how to post a spoiler.
I Hope this helps a little.

The suggestion was not about sharing. It was about stopping people from posting spoilers. If no one reads the novel, no one will be inappropriately discussing the yet unposted chapters of the novel in the CS of the manhwa. No one will be talking about what happens in the yet unseen chapters of the manhwa. I should not have to tell you this. You should be able to figure it out from reading the suggestion.
People who are reading the manhwa do not want to know what happens in the chapters subsequent to what is posted in the manhwa. I'm trying to explain this thoroughly in case you still don't understand.

This space is for discussing the manhwa, and it's hardly fair for people to get a link here, read the novel, and come back here to post their spoilers. There's a space provided for comments on the novel at the site of the novel. It's not the duty of the manhwa readers to provide external links to outside materials, nor is it in their best interest. The entire reason for all the spoilers is that the manhwa readers keep posting that link and discussing the novel inappropriately here. That it is done here to the point where the novel is being discussed and spoiled as much as the manhwa is a problem. A lot of people get their feelings hurt from having the story spoiled. They should be free to enjoy the comment section, and it's totally wrong for people to take this comment section away from them by constantly spoiling without warning to the point that it's impossible for them to participate..
last, I never said, nor would I ever say that people should not read the novel.

I understand where you're coming from but what you want is unrealistic. You cannot control other peoples actions. Only thing you can do is do your best to not read spoilers and reprimand someone when they don't properly tag their comments with SPOILER. I haven't read any spoilers for this series myself mostly cause I don't tend to go digging through the comments. The times I have been spoiled in other series is because I willingly read the spoilers.

Who said I wanted to control anything? As stated, I clearly offered only suggestions. There's no such thing as "willingly reading spoilers" A person has already read them before they can possibly know it's a spoiler. Also, the human eye takes in more than what we are consciously aware of. Thinking you can avoid spoilers when people are so inconsiderate as to not post warnings is unrealistic.

I meant "You" in a general sense. Not particularly aimed at you personally. If I or anyone asks people to stop giving spoilers it wont actually do anything because we don't have that sort of power to regulate people's actions. Getting people to be organized and do something is difficult. Even the law which enforces repercussions doesn't have a hold on everyone. People will just do as they want. In an ideal world everyone would be considerate of each other but that is not the reality we live in. If you read the comments you will run the risk of reading spoilers.

It's something I used to hear a lot as a kid. Racing horses wear this head piece called blinkers that prevent them from seeing sideways so they wont get distracted. Basically, they can only see what's in front of them. So when ya refer to someone as a racing horse or a horse wearing blinkers its an analogy for saying that they can only see/rush towards what's in front of them without being able to see their surroundings. It has a neutral connotation since it can refer to someone who's so goal driven they don't get distracted, or someone who can only see what's in front of them or their own opinion etc.

People are naturally hella unorganized. Back in HS it was such a bitch to get my classmates to show up to fun raisers that were for our own benefit (to pay our graduation party and trip). We was a small class too. Same reason I hated doing group projects in uni. People will just do as they want (⌒▽⌒) Just living life makes ya lose ya faith in others. You do you but honestly don't expect others to be on your same frequency cause they'll just disappoint you.

Fuck frequency. Threatening people's lives sometimes works for me, conning them into believing that where you are is the place to be. Bribes. Piss them off to where they're going to show up just so they can hate on you. Saying, "my friend here will blow you if you come." You can lose friends that way, but eff 'em. How much are you going to care in two years? In fact, not caring if they show up is a real good way to avoid angst. This works best when you're not planning on showing up either.
pedophiliaphobia. What good is it when you're Korean but not brave? I count on you to be brave along with all the other raging glory that is so potent in your art.
Why do you throw away all the rules of show don't tell when it comes to affection? Two characters with this much angst need at least one sign of physical love, a kiss and as important: a damned embrace! Otherwise I don't know when the tide is inching toward a happy crash onto the shore. WTF?
This dips a tiny toe into yaoi land. bravo. When shounen ai caters to nursery schoolers, as it definitely does when it's so sanitary that the lovers never get within two feet of each other, it's perverted. I said it, and I mean it.
Of course I loved this. I hated when the author threw away all the color of her setting when she pulled them out of high school, but I loved it. I recommend it, of course. I'm angry at it for not getting the sugar cube timing right, but otherwise...
what are you saying
this paragraph makes no sense
fair enough. I think there has to be some relief from all the angst a tiny bit sooner - before the extras; that the two characters should, at some point, show that the story and characters have shifted into a more loving position by showing it, meaning they need to at least have one moment where they embrace each other and kiss. I keep reading stories where the love doesn't happen till after the lovers leave the original setting, in this case high school, when years pass, and they have moved into different positions in society. The loss of local color is too big a loss. It's creates loss and sadness in an already moody story.
I don't think a love story that shows tragedy, angst, and sexual love should cater to little children. I think that's perverted. I don't think children should be reading it. It's too advanced. Parents are lazy, permissive, and this world demands too much of adults for them to be so delusional as to think they can raise more than two kids.
I think all the shonen ai is being done for kids because kids have more disposable income than any other demographic.
I think this would have been a beautiful yaoi stories without all the stupid strictures of shonen ai.
I think the art is extremely well done, beautifully composed, and well-timed. It evokes just the right emotions. Too bad it couldn't fulfill its full potential by attaining the maturity of a yaoi story. I love the story and recommend it even with those few flaws.
does that make more sense?
okay yeah that makes a lot more sense lol
good. lol ty for pointing that out
Giving me very much Noah Centineo “It matters not, what you've done, but what you do with what you've done... for others“
ty, nice.... but Imma counter with:
It matters not how strait the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul.
Henley is saying "you can beat me all you want. What matters is that I'm in charge of me"
I like both thoughts very much. ty ggron
lol this is nice, blue, and very Rah "law of one"