All of you blindly defending the main character just because they're the main character are forgetting that the ML does not know what you know. As far as the ML knows, this man is a drug addict who is a known liar. All of the evidence points to him being crazy and unreliable. His brother appears to be an upstanding respectable man.
The main character has done nothing to change the ML's perception of him. He has collected no evidence of any of this. He doesn't take screenshots or record his brother. He doesn't write anything down. He doesn't journal even. It's very hard to believe someone when they appear to be completely unreliable.
The ML even did due diligence. He looked into all of the examples he was given and there was a logical explanation for all of them.
We know the main character isn't lying because the story is told from his point of view and you're using that judge the ML completely unfairly.
I would have kicked him out of my house the second that article and the evidence in that article came out about him doing drugs. Most of you would have done the same.
thank you for this post
Omg you make so many good points T~T
but like all these 45 chapters they spent together and he can’t trust him? I was so sadddd my heart breaks for the MC. But I can’t blame the ML cuz I agree with ya. ╥﹏╥
Honestly you’re right.. the author at least makes the case clear.. it’s just the emotional storytelling is so compelling so the reader could feel that the MC’s actions and reasons are more important than the ML
And tbh an upstanding gallery staff member was probably the final naw in the coffin. I think it also makes sense why Yigon never took drastic action, he kinda believed his brother to be bluffing but as things escalated further I think he took the easiest solution which was co-depend on Taekang which obviously backfired stupendously
I mean I think that's the reason why this is so frustrating. If the ml were being unrealistic this story would be the type you drop due to the characters not acting like you'd expect. Instead we're sitting here wondering when he does get believed
Wanting someone who's suffering to not be suffering anymore and understanding why a character acts overly cautious aren't mutually exclusive. I just feel like it's telling that a story is good when characters can both act within reason and frustrate you at the same time. Makes them much more believable
I agree completely. I'm completely hooked. I cannot wait for the ML to realize that he was wrong the entire time.
I just don't like all the comments saying that the ML is a monster and whatnot. It just feels like those people aren't looking at the story critically and aren't appreciating how well this author is doing. This is so much better than much of the yaoi out there and I really appreciate it.
It's completely understandable why the MC hasn't been working to defend himself. He's been trying to make himself look bad for so long that it never occurred to him that he needed to defend himself. Now he's in love and he's hoping the person he loves will just believe him. Unfortunately, the world just doesn't work like that.
The world especially doesn't work like that for addicts. It is normal and natural for people to not believe someone they think is an addict. It sucks because addiction is a disease but one of the symptoms of that disease is lying.
I think that makes this story even more compelling. I think this is world's better than the typical yaoi where the characters act completely irrationally. When you look at both of these characters critically their actions make perfect sense. They feel like real characters that are making real decisions. This author is really talented.
I was about to make the exact same points as you did especially when it was shown that male lead did do his due diligence as you said. It's clear the brother is just as smart in covering his tracks and Yigon does not have a good reputation at all so it makes complete sense that Taekang does not believe him. Yet we have an audience hating the male lead like he's the worst but that's just cause you all feel bad for Yigon. ML is rational and gathered background checks on everything and everything does not support what Yigon is telling him or is coincidental at the most. In fact Yigon is also very rational despite his anxiety and paranoia about his brother killing him. IDK ppl call the ML the worst and Yigon as stupid when the author is very clearly showing that Yigon KNOWS EXACTLY what he's doing.
If we look at the past with his older brother, he was one of the few figures in his life (for such a long period at that) to care and nurture him beyond societal and familial expectations.. it’s kinda hard for you to see such a person as harming your life especially when your feelings for them are pure and unadulterated:(
Remember he also researched about Yigon’s visits with his psychiatrist so that probably added fuel to the fire of misunderstandings. With his history of omitting the most important information too it was just not looking good
Of course I remember, I actually brought it up in a past comment but all of this due diligence on Taekang's part solidifies why he believes what he believes. As a reader I picked up and remembered that his brother was the ONLY figure to show him any affection and he has latched onto him and will not easily give up regaining his love/trust. He knows logically his brother is lowkey crazy but naively is holding onto past affection and this hope that things will go back to the way they were if he did all this.
I love that this author chose to make the pedophile the bad guy. 90% of the time the pedophile is displayed as the protagonist in yaoi manhwa and this is a really refreshing change of pace.
I hope he kills this filthy pedophile way earlier and way more painfully in this life.
Amandaris is in for a truly brutal downfall and execution ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Okay so I know the empress is evil and a child abuser. I know it. She's still such a bad bitch that I can't help but like her.
These two men are too busy running around banging each other to get anything done. They haven't progressed at all in any of their plots. Meanwhile she's out here ruling the whole country, playing every man like a fiddle, and still out maneuvering them.
It's not even fair that she's going to lose because she's the only one actually putting in work.
Etienne needs it thou :( everytime his mom shows up he ends up hurt or more drugged.
and i know that isn’t always the case but it’s just intimacy and he’s leaning on someone for the very first time in his life
Oh I don't know if the manhwa is going to show her past as much as the novel
She is 1000x worse the fact that Etienne was fruit of her drug the emperor says a lot
...What?
I just noticed I gave a big spoiler for free I am very sorry is just she basically forced herself on the emperor I am not gonna give a lot more details cause is a complicated topic and like I said a big spoiler sorry I usually don't go giving spoiler without being asked
That's not a spoiler, that's already been covered in the manhwa. The manhwa made it seem like it was her pheromone but there's really no difference in omegaverse between drugs and pheromones. It was very clear that he did not consent and it only happened because he wasn't in his right mind. I don't remember what chapter but it was a while ago.
I never said she was a good person or that the things she was getting done were good things. She's just the only one getting things done. Some of the things she's getting done are pretty terrible, but they're getting done lol.
I just want to be clear that I'm not defending this woman, I'm just impressed with her work ethic and her ability to move the plot. She's currently the only one in this whole story who's moving the plot.
Oh thank goodness is not a spoiler I totally forget about that in the manhwa I was basically apologizing to the person that wrote '...what?'
Is true she is impressão in a way, is just that the grape in the novel happened do to a lot of reasons I don't remember everything that was already explained cause those chapters were so long ago
Girllll right??!? I’m over here like when are we going to make waves. Piss her off and get pregnant or marked. Move in with dad. Idk lol. I need some sort of events to take place
It had been like a week or two and these dudes are like "after all this time!" Lol
They didn't say exactly how long it had been but given the fact that he's pregnant we know it couldn't have been that long since his stomach is still completely flat.
You can't just kiss people without their consent. Yes, tops also need to give consent.
I almost spit my teeth out. You’re right but I was just thinking about how manipulative he has been this whole mf time. Like yeah he lost his memories but that was still him not taking no for an answer and live bombing the fuck outta bro the whole story.
Trueeee dat
Imagine if you woke up after being unconscious for a month and found out that during the month that you were unconscious your body had been hijacked. That someone had been using your body and used it to have sex with someone.
How would that make you feel? Would it feel traumatic to you? Would it make your emotions unstable? Would you probably not know how to treat the person your hijacker had been having sex with?
No one high jacked shit. You act like the was possessed by a demon. He just lost his memories.
If an alter ego is using your body and you don't remember it then your body has been hijacked. Why are you even arguing the word choice? If you are unconscious and someone else is running your body what would you call it? Everyone, including the guide, knew the consciousness puppeting the esper's body was not the esper, but they chose to engage in sexual activity with him anyways. If he was blacked out drunk, so drunk he had no memory of it, you would say he was raped... But only if he was a bottom lol.
You're arguing semantics because you want to hate the esper. You identify with the guide because he's the main character and you refuse to see things from any other perspective.
If it was an alter ego, if he was unconscious, and if he had been hijacked this wouldn’t be a conversation. He lost his memories. If you walked around with memory lost doing shit and got your memories back would you say that YOU hijacked YOU? Dafuq? That was still fucking him. He’s him. Whether is baby him, 20 year old him or we go into the future and fuck him as a grandpa, that’s his ass. Them is his actions. It’s not an alter ego it’s him. He did not develop an alter ego. He lost his memories. Apparently he was just a piece of shit back then. I don’t care whether it’s a top or a bottom. I don’t care who’s doing the fucking I don’t care who’s getting fucked honestly, I like the top more than the bottom any day of the week. I still don’t change the fact that his actions are his own actions
You need to reread this because he didn't lose his memories. He was an entirely different person. He essentially had DID and an alter ego was puppeting his body. Except everyone knew what was happening and took advantage of him anyways. They realized that this alter ego was younger, less experienced, and easier to manipulate. So the guide manipulated him into a relationship and sex.
Of course now that the esper is woken up he has to work through his feelings. He obviously already liked the guide and just had reasons why he didn't want to pursue a relationship. Now that he knows one is already happened he's got to work through it. He probably feels violated. I know I would.
Like let’s say your ass is 20 right now and you lose your memories and think you’re 15. You’re still responsible for everything. Everything that happened at 15 when you were actually 15 everything that happened at 20 now that you’re 20. And everything that happens while you think you’re 15. And everything that’s gonna happen until you think you’re 20 again..it’s just common sense. Nobody else is responsible for that. You didn’t gain an alter ego by losing memories. No one hijacked your body. Because nobody’s in your body to hijack it. You can’t blame your actions on anyone. Now if YOU wanted to blame someone in the story you could blame the doctors. Bro should’ve got a doctors note. He was still going to work and shit. They should’ve locked his ass up if it was really that serious. If y’all wanted to keep his dick safe.
No the fuck you didn’t say that the guy manipulated him into a relationship. Don’t even fucking talk to me no more. I thought you were fucking serious about this conversation. I didn’t know that you were stupid.
Let me find this block button. Let me find it. Let me fucking find it. I’mma figure out this site right the fuck now.
I don’t even like ol’ boy! You got some nerve. Saying that he tricked that MF into a relationship. He didn’t want nothing to do with that motherfucker. What have you been reading?
I really wish the translator didn't put QR codes all over this.
First of all, it's incredibly dangerous to scan a QR code from a random person online. No one should be using those QR codes. I'm sure this translator is a great person but it's just a habit you should have and should reinforce always.
Second of all, they're always in incredibly distracting spots, they're always huge, and they're always a bright distracting color.
WHY? WHY?? WHY?!?! WHY HAVE THEM MEET WHEN ONE IS A CHILD?!
THIS IS GROSS. This is nasty. This is disgusting. This is pedophile nonsense. You cannot meet someone as a child, raise them, and then fuck them. You cannot do that under any circumstances ever.
It doesn't matter if you're an ancient God, you still cannot fuck children you raise. Even if you wait until the child is technically an adult you still cannot fuck them. Even if the child thinks it wants to fuck you you still cannot fuck them.
This trope is ruining yaoi. It's so repulsive. It's not romantic, they're not fated. One of them is a disgusting grooming pedophile and the other one is their victim.
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Yeah kinda weird but that was in another timeline and i don't think they fucked in that timeline bc mc calls him God in ch 1
okay but what if the grooming makes it better
Honestly the same problem I had with "Taming the tiger" Like sure, you waited till his 18th birthday or whatever but the fact you even had to wait at all is so gross... Even if y'all both knew of your past lives it's weird asf. I'm so tired of historical or past life manga that has this trope sneaked in somewhere. The author doesn't need to include it at ALL so why did they???
grow up
So they invented a pink Viagra? Why would that be popular on the black market?
These are high school students. They're not even first years. They are nearly adults. Why are they wandering around yelling at each other in a situation where they are being chased by killers? Even children know instinctively to be quiet in survival situations.
Making your side characters unbelievably stupid does not make your main characters look more intelligent.
These authors have to stop making side characters completely brain dead. It's making manhwa less enjoyable to read. It's happening and almost every manhwa I read.
They’ve been cruising around because of Gajun’s directions so they haven’t really faced monsters that much yet which probably made them laidback… I think
Yeah this old loan shark needs to fuck right the fuck off.
He was a child. You have been obsessing over a child. He's a child who grew up around you when you were already old. This is grooming. You cannot meet someone as a child, develop feelings for them as a child, and then wait for them to grow up to bang them.
This gross old man is not a viable second ML.
He didn't develop feelings for the MC when the MC was a child. Wtf are you reading?
Yeah I dont think you know what grooming means. Just cause they have a large age gap and the uncle knew him as a kid does not mean the uncle liked him when he was a kid. He did not try to have any sort of romantic or sexual relationship with Yeongwoon as a child. HE DID NOT LIKE HIM AS A KID. Idk why everyone is saying this. If anything, what he feels is guilt for willingly putting his family in debt and having to then pretend to be buddies with kid Yeongwoon when he knew Yeongwoon was being abused. He's trying to make himself feel better by sticking out for him now even though it's honestly too late. If he does have feelings for Yeongwoon, it's clearly when Yeongwoon was an ADULT which is FINE despite the large age gap. Y'all wanna label this man a predator so bad.
Yeah, with your username, it's reasonable that you would say that.
i mean i agree hes not a groomer but he is so weird if he wants to bang yeongwoon now like you freak you knew him when he was like 12 basically raised, he lived with you. your like his dad/uncle, so just weirdoooo.
In the latest episode, literally the episode that was just posted, you can see the old man clearly having feelings for the child when he was still a child.
Why are you commenting on something that you haven't read?
Haha thanks. I love calling men a fatherfcker instead of motherfcker and watch their reactions. Why do we only have mom jokes? Equality means dad jokes too smh.
Raising someone and having sex with them makes you a groomer.
You're the type of person that would say that Woody Allen, who adopted a girl child and raised her, and then married her the second she became a legal adult definitely didn't groom her and isn't a groomer. I mean even though he raised her from the time that she was a child and he was her authority figure, so he was able to turn her into whatever he wanted her to be, he didn't actually marry her until she was 18. That means it's okay right?
Of course not. Of course that's not okay. That's not an age gap. That's grooming. A groomer waiting until you're 18 doesn't make them less of a groomer. A lot of groomers do that intentionally. They pick out children that are 15 16 and groom them until they're 18. This is common grooming behavior.
The only reason you were defending this is because you're into it, you're a groomer and want to normalize grooming. You think it's hot. You think it's really hot for you, an adult, to manipulate and twist a child with a brain that's not fully formed into your perfect willing partner who will do anything you say because they view you as an authority figure. There's literally no other reason why you would defend this when it's so obvious.
Girllll. Are you talking bout the last few panels from their past? You completelyyy misunderstood that scene if so. He went to collect payment from MC's dad. Instead, MC was there napping with a high fever, and that's when he saw the extent of the abuse that MC was facing with all those bruises on his body. He was feeling GUILT and sympathy for the MC, but he knows he couldn't and shouldn't be feeling like that because of the nature of their debtor-loaner relationship. "... because between us...not even a shred of sympathy was allowed to exist."
You were way off with all these groomer pdf accusations.
Forgot to add, if you reread this webtoon you'll see a few scenes from.the past where he had a feeling the MC wasn't being treated well at home. It was this specific scene from the latest chapter that really solidified and opened his eyes to the extent of the abuse MC was facing from his own dad. The large bruises, and the fact he was left alone when he has a high fever (when the panels change from the MC's face with the fever strip on his forehead, to the loaner unc staring at him with a swollen expression) all while his dad went to meet someone outside for fun.
For the life of me I don't understand how you could come to the conclusion that he was having ssxual or romantic thoughts in this scene.
The scene from the past which you managed to completely misunderstand is clearly meant to show readers why the loaner is getting involved now. He finally wants to do something right and make sure the MC doesn’t get hurt all over again.
You make assumptions and based on your own misunderstanding of the chapters. He never once stated that he wanted to bang Yeongwoon, you literally made that up. You're getting worked up over something you made up.
Fr fr. They should get their head checked for the extreme mental gymnastics they did to even think that it was a sexual/grooming scene... Like how tf did they jump so far to such a wrong conclusion.
Lol u dumb