'Cause at least there's some sort of build up or something?? Like, I can't describe exactly what I'm meaning other than this went from a goofy romcom about a yaoi café employee and his crush on the himbo that stumbled upon said café to just nonsense.
And it's sad 'cause when the owner finally showed up I low-key wanted to see a potential story about him and his yaoi-turned-to-real-life story, but now I'm scared that if that happened it'd be between him and the VA.
I was already giving this a mid rating 'cause it's just a casual read with no need to think too deep about it. I've since dropped the rating 'cause ch. 4 is just unnecessary and makes 0 fucking sense lol it's like the artist went "OH YEAH, I FORGOT THE MOST COMMON TROPE!!" and chucked noncon in as a last second afterthought.
I'm only continuing this out of curiosity to see how it's handled, but I'm glad I'm not emotionally invested in this series since it was pretty bland to begin with lol
This was my exactly mentality. This guy showed up halfway through a chapter and they rushed that r*pe scene like it was from a completely different book. I have a strong feeling it will be treated like it's nothing and I'll drop it anyway, but if there's a small chance it gets taken seriously ill wait and read it. I'm just so disappointed
It was outta left field even for me lol
Like, when he initially backed off after trying to force a kiss I was like "ohhhh so nothing is going to happen, but there might be a chance to see a jealous side of the everlasting-sunshine-firefighter" since the chapters so far have been pretty milquetoast so far.
The rape was a definite "well that escalated quickly" but in the most disinterested way for me lol
And people are still fucking obsessing over the fact Pil-Gyun calls Nanmu "dad" 50 chapters in.
Get tf over it already jfc lol
"But some people are genuinely uncomfortable with it" then why are you still reading?? If something actually disgusted me or made me uncomfy I'd simply never touch it again.
I ain't out here reading scat, diaper or vore porn going "ohemgee but why does it have to be literal shit that they are into!!!"
Ya'll wild.
Anyways, I can't wait for more Nanmu backshots.
Love me an older, beefy bottom
LMAOOOO ive never even read this story but this made me laugh
Fr its getting annoying like dawg u knew what u were getting into after first few chs only
Right! We at 53 chapters babe, why you still hereeeee
On God it's annoying lol
You'd never catch me doing this shit where I willingly read something I don't like and bitch about it every chapter release. I ain't got enough free time for that lol
53 whole ass chapters and we still on the "dad" bit lol
True definition of insanity.
DON'T YOU FUCKING DO IT.
DON'T YOU FUCKING TELL THAT FUCKER WHERE ALVIN IS.
I'M--
Do u want a spoiler?
I'm scared--
i want pls…
SPOILER
the princess takes louis to judith's grave (?) while she walks away a bit (forgot what she was doing but she was still there) isaac arrives and attempts to rxpe louis. the princess tries to stop him but gets pushed aside. kenny arrives before anything escalates and shops off isaac's hand (or arm i dont remember). isaac gets away
OK 'cause my anxiety was so fucking bad reading this update OTL
Man needs to lose more than just his arm JUST SAYIN'--
DO YOU MEAN CHOP? HE REALLY DID? IS IT INFRONT OF ALVIN OR NOT? damn why did he still got away take all of his limbs man
A second child has hit the womb--
I am literally bouncing around in my seat I LOVE THESE TWO SO MUCH PLEASE BWT KEEP FEEDING ME FOREVER
Shane doesn't have some sort of super power in his voice, Seoha reacts the way he does 'cause he was once his servant that literally devoted his life to him. Hearth didn't even try to refute the fact that he had merely scratched Shane and accepted his punishment.
The thing with the gloves is due to his trauma of harming Shane, the one person he swore to never touch with his bare hands to avoid harming him. The trauma has probably compounded with the accident that caused his sister's leg scar, but that's it. There's nothing else other than that with the gloves.
Lastly, Shane's obsession with touching Seoha's/Hearth's bare hands stems from a fixation he developed as a child. He's clearly adored Seoha/Hearth this entire time, and I can only speculate those feelings have grown into adulthood. I don't think he's realized that Seoha now has a trauma from his past life as Hearth, he just thinks that even now that they are both adults Hearth still refuses to touch him. He's basically throwing a fit 'cause the person he loves and clearly handled him with care and devotion ((Hearth)) still won't touch him.
It clearly affects him greatly that Hearth still has not returned nor will he actually touch him. Not making excuses btw just pointing out the obvious shit that people can't seem to actually read.
That's it. That's the story so far.
The fact of the matter is, Shane DOES control Seoha's behavior in a way that is unwanted and overwhelming. He has touched him in ways that violate his consent, sexual or otherwise. He has repeatedly expressed entitlement to Seoha that is more akin to a toy than anything else.
Understanding the nuances of the story is not mutually exclusive with thinking that Shane is behaving like a sheltered rapey asshole. Trying to boil these feelings down to shoddy reading comprehension on the part of readers who express rightful disgust of this behavior is...ehhh.
1. I was pointing out things that ya'll were stating that were untrue or that ya'll might've missed.
2. I was explaining Shane's obsession with wanting to touch Seoha's/Hearth's bare hands, "excusing" him for molestation.
3. You are once again proving my point that most of ya'll can't read if all you got out of my post was something I never said. It was a breakdown of key points that you guys missed. I never ONCE excused Shane's actions and only explained the meanings behind Seoha's trauma and Shane's fixations.
4. Shane still doesn't have a magic power in his voice and if anything ya'll should be blaming Hearth for the way Seoha reacts seeing as it's his fucking soul that makes him subject to Shane lol Siren doesn't have the same reaction when given commands. They just simply enthusiastically abide by them of their own will. Thus proving my point aaaaall over again.
Not excusing Shane's actions* my tablet is doin' me dirty tonight
Just totally agree. I couldn't keep going since ch 7, It just make me so angry that this mtf bird keeps putting his needs in this traumatized boy. I hate this type of narrative
Stop reading. There you go. Your problems are solved and you are now free to go read whatever tf you want to.
Another tip; stop using victims to falsely accuse someone of something heinous when it benefits you most. Especially when said person could be a potential victim themselves and just using their lived experience to create a fictional piece of work.
Art and other creative mediums have been used as emotional catharsis since the dawn of man. Either grow tf up and realize just how hateful, wrong and stupid you sound or just stop WILLFULLY SUBJECTING YOURSELF to things that supposedly "trigger" you. You're not convincing anyone when you're still reading this with every update notif you get for it.
I'm so sick of being used as a meat shield or scapegoat any time someone is like "well think of the victims!!"
Well here you go, I'm putting myself out there as a victim of nearly 20 years of sexual abuse and trauma telling you to stfu.
Now fucking STOP.
I get that you’re upset and it hurts to see you as so but I’m sure the Author knew what they were going to get themselves into especially with people now of days lacking compassion and empathy. You are just wearing yourself out trying to get people to understand. Curiosity kills the cat. People lack the comprehension and don’t have the experience like we have to see that it was obvious no a romanticized moment at all but a very detail scene of what SA looks and feels like for a child who doesn’t know what is going on at the time. It also shows what they may be into if they thought that that was romantic in anyway. It is a controversial topic that actually warrants discomfort many don’t want to have. So of course instead of discussing the real life situation behind the art that causes the discomfort, they will just blame the author without understanding or wanting to figure anything out since their main concern is how they feel. We as compassionate human being and victims of similar situations can only hope that the author is well and let the author know how much their work has affected us for the better and let others know that they are heard and we see each other even if no one else does.
I get it, I really do. I was a bit heated in the moment after seeing so many people accuse the artist and those who have chosen to continue reading without condemning said artist of heinous shit.
It's just tiring that every time I see a scene that depicts how deep and dark childhood trauma can affect someone I see droves of willfully ignorant shits being like "you have to be mentally fucked--" like, yes. YES I AM MENTALLY FUCKED DUE TO MY TRAUMA LOL it's why I find solace in dark fiction and horror and the occult and anything inbetween. It disturbs me and the gut wrenching is painful, but there's something beautifully cathartic knowing that I can still feel anything at all despite what I went through.
Sorry if I don't "cope" in ways that are sanitized for them or that I'm not the epitome of an UwU victim they can conveniently use to potentially harm someone else.
I'm just tired. And I was doing so good recently with NOT engaging in pointless discourse.
It's the graphic depiction of a child and an adult is what is ticking people off. I think that is a valid reaction.
So, if I were to recount all the horrid things I went through or use them as a reference point to create something-- something I actually experienced and have had to live with for 25 years-- I should be labeled a pedophile or a freak or a disgusting human being?? I should be told to kill myself or be checked into a mental institution 'cause I wanted to take the things that hurt me and have plagued me every waking moment of my life and create something that depicts the raw, graphic nature of child abuse instead of just glossing over it like "yeah, child rape bad" and moving on with the plot??
The chapter wasn't meant to be pleasant. It was meant to show how this man was literally sexually abused and groomed by his blood father since he was a child probably younger than my 5 yo self that went through that shit and how it broke him. He didn't get to be UwU-ified like ya'll want ALL victims to be. He got fucked up. His actions are unforgivable, but the cold hard truth is that the chances of children of abuse committing crimes or resorting to debauchery or becoming garbage human beings happens more often than we are led to believe. Often times they kill their abusers or end up harming someone else in retaliation 'cause they want to blame someone, anyone, for the pain they feel.
What we saw him go through with his father is what sexual grooming actually is. His father was a pedophile and ruined his only child for life by sexually abusing him then abandoning him when he grew too old.
Ya'll always cry when rape or other abuse is brushed over or used as a convenient plot device to get the MLs together. Now that ya'll get a more realistic depiction of two individuals struggling with trauma and crimes against humanity ya'll wanna cry that it's "too much" and whoever reads this is a freak or mentally fucked. This chapter was SUPPOSED to make you feel disgusted. It was supposed to evoke discomfort. I felt very uncomfortable reading it 'cause it was all too close to what happened to me, and that only makes me believe that the chances this artist went through something similar are high. But I'm supposed to just sit back and read all these hateful comments and be like "welp, they were uncomfy reading this chapter so I guess I should forgive them for the indirect false allegations and insults targeted at people who are wanting to read this story, the potential CSA survivors who find catharsis in works like this and the artist who wrote it."
You are fucking putrid. Rancid. Disgusting.
I literally didn't say all of that. You seem to be wanting to insert words into my mouth. I get that these are very real things that come with their own set of implications but that depiction was extremely graphic and unnecessary. That is the topic at hand. I think you need to calm down. I understand the various implications that all forms of child abuse has on individuals, that is why I enjoyed the story up until the depictions. You said that the panels were supposed to be uncomfortable and disgusting to provoke discomfort. That to me is a piss poor attempt to justify it. I shouldn't have to break down and explain why illustrating a child and an adult in an intimate manner is wrong, regardless of intents and purposes. You seem to have directed some of your preconceived anger towards me, I assume this because you randomly started insulting me. I find that completely unreasonable, do better.
Illustrated pornographic imagery of a child is unacceptable no matter what, end off.
you are making up scenarios in your brain to justify a questionable take. this is not the hill to die on. ur certainly lacking in eq for this discussion as well. the argument of it's just fiction goes out the window when you just made up a whole backstory for the author and their reasons in writing something so controversial. maybe stick to what you preach idk. a piece of fiction has really invoked a lot of reaction to defend it and even reveal a backstory for yourself...
the tags aside, many just didn't expect to read CP.
People are ignorant and lack compassion. They don’t really care to understand things as such until it happens to someone close or involves them and even then depending on how they were raised and lived will depend on if they could care or not. People judge that’s all we know how to do, it human nature. I’m glad you have a coping mechanism that helps you. Don’t let people take it away from you and don’t let the rage consume you. You are felt and you are heard and even if no one else does I see you. Please get the rest you deserve.
exactly a (bad) coping mechanism and you are being an enabler. this story obviously triggered them going by their frequent rants. Yet it's still cathartic art. u and others trying to turn this comment section into a them v. us, safe space where only those with experiences identify and see the authors true intentions is gross. and if u wanted to support more works like this, this site surely wouldn't do much.
Idk who the them is you are saying the STORY is triggering but if you are talking about my friend with whom I was speaking with then you are indeed incorrect. The Comments about the Author is triggering them cause they say the author is romanticizing SA which there was no romanticization of the SA at all. But I guess the same people I see commenting how romantic and cute a couples from other stories that have SA in it wouldn’t get it. I’m actually more than open to making a group for SA victims who have a more comfortable but darker coping mechanism. You see in black and white, I see in gray and that’s fine. I can totally understand why you would be uncomfortable with such a graphically accurate scene the only problem I have is the criticism of the Author when we know nothing of them.
I was referring to the op, who you directly messaged. It's being seen as a profitization off a sensitive subject. Many are calling it depictions of CP. The point of the act being deemed bad is not the point. What is there to defend when even you don't know the authors intention. And I see in black and white? ok. Agree to disagree...
A. I stated what I did 'cause I was tired of seeing people accuse the artist and those of us reading of heinous shit without knowing us. I used a common reason for why someone writes dark fiction and that's it.
B. Yeah, I'm ranting a whole fuck ton 'cause I'm sick and tired of people bitching, moaning, groaning, belittling, humiliating and abusing victims for their narratives. Dark fiction and other "less savory" coping mechanisms are valid. I've been through therapy for my trauma since I was in middle school. I am 30 years old now and think I know wtf I am talking about.
C. Quit calling cartoon porn "CP". As a matter of fact, stop using the term CP in general seeing as the word "porn" implies consent. The official term you are looking for is CSEM/CSAM and doesn't include cartoon characters.
Hope this helps.
They won't understand. I stepped away and even muted this thread 'cause I'm just tired.
I see this shit enough as is on twitter and I'm exhausted from trying to explain something that has been medically proven for decades now by professionals and their studies.
Thanks for sticking up for me, tho. I appreciate people who are willing to understand and show compassion to those of us who are just a lil messed up.
I'm not saying people need to suck it up and continue reading something that is clearly upsetting them. In fact I want the opposite. I want them to leave this alone and go find something that they'll actually enjoy-- and without leaving heinous comments behind.
If I could mute your entire existence so I never had to see one of your braindead takes again on this godforsaken site I would do it in a heartbeat ♡♡♡
So sorry
I did cry.
I said I was probably going to cry during their first time and I did. I choked up and melted the moment Kinard stopped to explain why Louis needed to communicate things with him.
Guess it hit a lil too close to home, and I'm not gonna divulge my childhood trauma on a pirated manga site, but having never received this kind of treatment from past partners even with them knowing what I went through really fucking stings.
Shit sucks, man, but I feel like I'm kinda living vicariously through scenes like this and I feel a small sense of relief.
And I know people are like "ewwwww he shoulda waited", but I honestly think with the setting and lack of resources these characters are handed this was probably for the best. It's better for him to learn from positive examples and reinforcement than be told that the part of him that was forced on him is bad and is being rejected.
Kinard telling him it isn't wrong to feel good or that the most important thing is for Louis to feel good/comfortable/happy/safe because THAT makes Kinard the happiest is much better given what he is able to do.
Not to mention people were locked up in dungeons 'n shit during these times for having mental disorders. And even before psychology became a common medical practice/field of study they would just cut parts of your brain out and hope you woke up after the operation. If you had anything mentally wrong with you you were basically treated like garbage or accused of being an evil entity.
I feel like Kinard's route is a much more pleasant one than Louis being locked up and abused further.
Feels like it shoulda been marked 3.5 instead of a standalone chapter.
There wasn't any plot either-- kinda like a bonus chapter for random shenanigans lol
"The point of Hyo-Un looking like a child plot-wise is to express the gravity of how heinous these people were to a homeless orphan child. If he looked like a massive beefed-up dude like he is now we wouldn't have felt nearly as bad, and I doubt the villagers would fuck with him as bad.
It's much easier to abuse a small child that can barely speak than it is to beat a man that is like 6'12" and all muscle."
To add onto this since it was a copy/pasta from my previous post in october;
Begging ya'll to look up actual examples of grooming-- even ones outside of the sexual context.
Tae didn't groom Hyo-Un in any capacity. He just picked up a random "kid" in the woods and instead of abandoning him he decided to take care of him. This isn't a case of sexual, childhood grooming if there is nothing being done that would be considered grooming.
Ya'll got me callin' ya'll stupid till I'm blue in the face over this shit. Some NA education bs.