Puppyboy Agend-er's Topics (924)

The point of Hyo-Un looking like a child plot-wise is to express the gravity of how heinous these people were to a homeless orphan child. If he looked like a massive beefed-up dude like he is now we wouldn't have felt nearly as bad, and I doubt the villagers would fuck with him as bad.

It's much easier to abuse a small child that can barely speak than it is to beat a man that is like 6'12" and all muscle.

EXACTLY omg finally someone with reading comprehension skill

It wasn't even that hard lol

I think people were just looking for a reason to be "ick'd" out 'cause there's really not much you can complain about with this series.

"We just want Kim Dan to be happy."

Well guess what-- that's not gonna happen with anyone but Jaekyung. There's no "maybe another character will come and save him" when the story is literally about Jaekyung and Kim Dan.

Unless this ends in tragedy and they die, don't get your hopes up that some nobody is gonna come and "rescue" Kim Dan.

God you whiny bitches annoy the piss out of me I wish every day the comments had stayed busted on here.

That was the only time I truly knew peace.

Sheesh you know people just share their thoughts like you did, everyone knows the rules of yaoi and as I can quit reading it if it gets too hard for me, you may not read comments you don’t like. Why being toxic without any reason

"Without any reason" and the reason is I'm tired of seeing people insult Mingwa over the works they write and draw lol

If you can't read something without stating that the creator needs to seek psychiatric help then maybe you should stick to your coffee shop AUs.

Idgaf about you or your annoyance towards people lmao, if you want them to shut up, you do it first. Looks like you're the whiny little bitch over here

you could just ignore it. I don't blame people for reacting the way they did because people have different perspectives and triggers, lots of people here were hurt by the contents of this chapter with no warning. People are different, calm down

Also, it can go without being said that the author isn't above criticism, because she does need to be criticized period. Tuff that people want to take it too far, but I'm 100% she knows what an insult is and what is not critique.

"If you want them to shut up, then you do it first" how about ya'll stop subjecting yourselves to things you don't like/agree with and find something more productive or relaxing that isn't insulting someone over what they chose to create and what you knew you weren't going to like since the first chapter lol

Jaekyung has literally been doing shit like this since their first meeting. We are over 30 chapters in and been knowing that this wasn't going to be an easy transition for their relationship.

BJ Alex was softer, but even that series dealt with very sensitive topics and had a very toxic relationship between the two male leads.

Atp these people are subjecting themselves to what they would consider mental torture and getting mad that the story is still not super fluffy and romantic lol

My brother in christ, you are forcing yourself to read a series you don't even like. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Do you see me insulting someone?? Lol keep it cool miss girl, I read multiple comments and until now I haven't seen any negative comment which they are not right to be making, I saw no hateful comments towards nobody but JK, the only one is yours. You might be seeing things......

Well for one, you are clearly bent out of shape over the prospect that people have different opinions and perspectives on media, and acting like it's some Makavalian concept to critique things, you seem aggro. And two, I did like this until chapter 30 when they started to write things poorly. People who came to this chapter did like Jinx but are complaining it is going too far or getting worse or even curiosity is ruling their judgment, you can't police that.

Ufff. A long text over people not liking the manhwa. Have a good night

very bold of you to assume that I didn't like this, I can handle stuff like this and much worse, I think you are trying to make assumptions of me so you can run with your narrative. Alright, just don't make me a scapegoat for your anger.

The thing is that readers are using their disgust as a means to critique someone for what they choose to write. I haven't seen a single scrap if legitimate criticism out of these folks.

Instead I get "the author deserves to criticized" as a reply as I'm actively reading insults disguised as such.

If you hate eating a certain food you wouldn't force yourself to eat it, would you? You wouldn't force yourself to listen to a song or musician you didn't like, right?

Same concept. If you don't like what is happening in a story you can simply stop reading it. There's no shame in doing so. I've done it plenty of times for stories that were too boring or too long. I've even dipped out if I didn't like the art style.

I don't understand why these people choose to keep reading only to bitch about how much they hate it every update lol

that's like saying if someone made shitty food dont criticise them.
It is a work of ART. Whatever the author is creating all of this is art. There is gonna be criticism and there is literally rape here obviously people will talk bad about it. You gotta learn to accept criticism man, every work has it whether good or bad. It's called having an "opinion"

Girl, wtf do you mean I haven't seen any name-calling or whatever. simmer dowwwwwnnn

what do you mean by this /Gen. Not picking a fight, just dying to know.

No, this is like someone forcing themselves to eat something they don't like over and over again only to bitch that they don't like it.

Ya'll wouldn't know what actual criticism is even if it bit you in the ass.

We are over 30 chapters in and people are saying how much they hate it and that Mingwa needs to "seek help" or that they are a bad writer.

And this is WITH us knowing this wasn't gonna be pleasant since their first encounter. This isn't some fluffy coffee shop au where their biggest point of conflict is miscommunication on whether they are actually dating or not.

It's established very early on that Jaekyung has massive red flags and that Kim Dan is a pushover and willing to do anything for his grandma. This isn't meant to be happy right off the bat.

Ok. Cool point, and I like to be fair because I am curious about your perspective. What would actual criticism of this story look like?

Also, criticism =/= opinion.

An opinion is subjective based on someone's likes and dislikes or personal views loosely or not at all rooted in facts.

You have to actually know what you are talking about and speak from a mostly unbiased place to give valid criticisms.

"I don't like X-thing so therefore it is bad" is NOT criticism, that is a baseless opinion rooted in your personal biases.

Ok then, what is your critique of the story then? Any potential problems you see? Are the characters flat? Is there anything meaningful going on in service to the main plot? just some baseboard questions.

I guess I didnt frame it properly my bad on that one. Thanks for that though still however, what is being portrayed in Jinx is still wrong, it's not even under the psychological tag and still there is rape. That's why there is hate towards the manhwa.

justification of rape to be more frank

cool, sorry if I sent this a million times, my side is buggy. I want to know what you think of criticizing this story. Are the characters flat? are they doing things to service the flow of the plot?
I''ll add my two cents.... From my perspective as a character writer, the characters are one-note dimensional so far. Jae is an ass and an abuser and we have only been shown his other side once, that is bad writing. Dan hasn't really been a character since chapter 25 and is taking a back seat. The disturbing content in the chapters are just there to exist and does not show anything meaningful to the plot yet, creating a marketable shock factor. that is bad writing.
For example, I enjoyed sadistic beauty ( not the ending that was dogshit) but it showed meaningful characteristics of the characters in an abusive setting where cause and effect move the story along, that was some decent writing. The latest bits of Jinx from a story writer's principal's have not been strong and the same problems rung true with bj Alex. Mingwah is not a strong writer, or at least she isn't writing strongly right now with this material.

The impression I got from it was that he considered it, but in the end did not actually follow through. Maybe I need to reread it.

He didn't poison him according to my understanding

Didn't he put wolfsbane in the medicine tho lol

Oh, so he technically didn't do it he just had a strong desire for the master to die so that Shion wouldn't leave him.

Which is still pretty fucked and doesn't really disprove my initial point lol

I guess. I get crazy intrusive thoughts sometimes but would never act on them. I don’t think that makes me a terrible person just because the thought entered my mind.

Ultimately he cared for his former master and couldn’t do it despite his desires. Just your average daily grapple with thoughts of murder and love

He didn't kill Shion's master, but I agree that the story fell flat. All that build-up and tension for nothing.

I don't think this was standard intrusive thoughts tho lol he had a plan and was willing to act it out.

He was willing to do whatever for Shion but ultimately chose not to 'cause the guilt ate away at him. He's a medicine peddler so ofc murdering someone, even if the person was evil, would weigh heavier on him than most. Not to mention he was already a big softy from the go.

Intrusive thoughts are moreso suddenly brought on and are usually something someone would never do ((ex. making a smoothie when your brain suddenly goes "hey! We should stick our finger in the blades!!")). It's kinda the whole reason why the word "intrusive" is part of the term lol

Yeah, I replied to someone after rereading the final chapter again to make sure.

I was skimming through it mostly 'cause I was hoping for a darker, more sinister story, but I honestly lost interest after ch 3 so I wasn't really paying that much attention lol

It had potential which sucks the most for me.

The author she passed in Dec12 2022

I feel bad for the author, I hope they’re okay :(

Last I read I believe they had just went through surgery for their arm/hand.

Recovery is on the up-and-up but I honestly hope they don't push themselves too much.

I can't suffer another loss after Miura-sen.

I feel you.

Was trying to thumbs down and reply, not follow. People are allowed to critique works. Don’t like don’t read is the dumbest childish thing you can say and shows no media literacy whatsoever. If you are a kid and think this is good for your underdeveloped brain it’s not and it’s damaging yiu. If you’re an adult, grow up. People can critique a work. At what point does yaoi go too far if this doesn’t end up being a real thriller and it just because another sadistic for no reason but to be different and quirky bl? Can we not acknowledge that if the story has NOTHING to say and is just torture porn that it is not a good work and the author should re-evaluate why they want to tell stories and what stories they want to tell? What the impact of their work is on the world? If the rape and murder, which so far has shown some explicit shots of, ends up being nothing more than a plot device to make a twisted sadistic male lead to torture the other male lead WHAT is the point? And if YOU get off to that, maybe take a moment to step back and have an inner monologue with yourself and who and what you want to be

I totally agree lostikins. More than half of these people aren't even critiquing but more so getting angry at the author for writing dark fiction as if it hasn't been around for centuries and people for enjoying fictional horror. If people can't differentiate fiction from reality then that's their problem. People here will read the genre and summary and still continue to make the choice of reading this dark twisted fictional story and then cry about it for being what it is. I accept real critiques but jabbing at authors for creating obvious twisted stories has been a thing for years sadly, even for stories such as beserk but it still overcame the holier than thou moral compass yellers

Lemme ask you this then; why do I see people slandering and bitching about this shit mostly for bl/yaoi??

It's hardly ever anything for het works, but for some reason most of the psychological horror het works I've read have been far more gruesome and gut wrenching than this.

Also, this manga has 2 volumes which means we still got a long way to go. If you're bitching this early when the first twist was just revealed to us then maybe I'm not the one that should be asking myself questions.

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People will applaud Edgar Allen Poe or Shakespeare for their transformative works while failing to notice that writers like them have written some of the most fucked up shit in literature and helped to pioneer dark fiction.

On the topic of criticism; I don't believe in them. Maybe if it was someone trying to give genuine constructive criticism that'd be one thing-- but most people can't tell the difference between criticism and just being an ass 'cause you don't like the subject matter. It all comes down to "me, me, me" at the end of the day.

People are just fucking stupid. Should probably stick to their coffee shop au bs.

Stupid take. Idk and idc what the hets mangas are doing because that’s not what I’m talking about right now. I have seen a trend in bl like killing stalking and the sadistic beauty bl side story where the authors did get “lost in the sauce”. The sadist beauty author actually was very open about how she didn’t give a fuck and that her story was just torture porn with no narrative point but to fulfill her kink. I think that’s a problem. I’m talking about the line between stories, actually narratives, and torture porn. Bl especially blurs this line in that the genre contains a lot of smut. But if an author isn’t careful about that line and ends up just making torture porn that IS a problem. Especially if a bunch of kids are reading it on some illegal site. The content we make matters and art should not cause harm. We already know violent porn alters brain chemistry. If you want to look to Japan and it’s smut/porn UNCRITICALLY then know the manga industry is the last place in japan where child porn is STILL LEGAL and bl often crosses this line too. I’m saying to think critically moving forward, but rather than actually think about anything you want to reduce it to “bitching”. No artistic work exists within a vacuum.

Edgar Allen Poe and Shakespeare didn’t make explicit horror smut/porn lol you are not genuinely comparing the works of two literally masters to some persons dark gay smut. This isn’t some revolutionary story and it’s definitely not published in a magazine for all ages. This is smut, porn, not a novel or screen play. We should be critical of violent porn that is violent for the sake of fetish. If you really think that in Japan this isn’t being published as porn for 18+ audience you’re out of your mind. Japan is one of the only countries that legally produces child porn via manga so if you really think what they allow to be published should not be considered critically I mean….

Thank you for spitting facts

There's incest, allusions to necropphilia and pedophilia in popular and well known literary media dating back to before, after and during these two artists' works.

There's cannibalism in Candid and Brave New World had a scene within the first couple of chapters that had people labeling a child as "defective" 'cause he didn't like another child tochung him sexually. I know this 'cause I had to read them for high school reports.

This manga isn't even painting what this man did in a positive light. There's 2 volumes and we've barely scratched the surface of the first plot reveal.

This isn't mindless smut, either. It's a psychological thriller that just so happens to have a sex scene tossed in here or there 'cause the younger priest is fucked in the head and has a sick obsession with the ex-priest.

And once again, how come bl gets criticized so badly when there are worse het psychological thrillers with sex in them that I've read lol at least in this one the ex-priest isn't sticking around 'cause he liked the sex. He hated it. It literally tore him apart both spiritually and physically.

Come tf off it lol

Spittin' garbage more like it but go off I guess lol

"Can we not acknowledge that if the story has NOTHING to say and is just torture porn that it is not a good work and the author should re-evaluate why they want to tell stories and what stories they want to tell?" yeah, no lmao people can write whatever stories they want without morality police like you trying to insert themselves everywhere. BL is a niche market, in no way does this impact the world so hop off you puritan dick. People are allowed to create any content they want without reevaluating themselves so just the "pure and good stories with meaning" remain on the market lol op was right. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but If it's not ur cup of tea then move the fuck on instead of policing whether xyz work should exist.

I know you think what you’re saying is a good point but you’re comparing apples to oranges. Yes. Famous horror and thriller works contain taboo things like incest rape and murder. Those things aren’t porn or fetish content though. You are comparing dark topics in actual literary works or films (which have stricter laws about what can be shown in film or tv for ex) used as important parts of storytelling and the over all narrative to a gay japanese porn book made for straight Japanese women as fetish content. Apples and oranges. Maybe YOU are interpreting this work as something like Silence of the Lambs or The Tell Tale Heart but I have done enough deep dives and have studied Japanese and have friends that help me translate difficult bits and unfortunately, no, these authors do not separate the horror from the porn. I have read many artists describe the torture, rape, or child explicit content as made the way it is and featured as it is…to be “sexy” for the viewer. That’s the dark reality about how Japan views sexual content. Child porn of real kids wasn’t even illegal to own until like 2014 or 2017 and they didn’t have laws about rape against boys/men, their laws literally only considered women capable of being victims until like 2017. But regardless I said I’d WAIT to see how the author handles the topic and if there’s any delicacy or point to be made. You just need to accept that the Japanese people making this content are doing it for fetish. It’s to be titillating. That includes the snuff, gore, and rape. Just because YOU might not read it that way doesn’t mean that’s not how it is over there and why it’s being made and it’s helpful for us, as outsiders, to know that. I don’t care to discuss this further and have muted the thread.

Tbh I shoulda seen the plot flag when they really emphasized on the specifics of what happens to the moon rabbit once found, and the vast difference between Neungso's views and the other wererabbits on the matter.