So tj tells Ian to take responsibility for his scar and boxing career and guilt trip Ian for it, when it's obviously not Ian fault. tj skip his boxing match purposely because of the deal he made to kill Jang, so it was an important day for tj but Ian thinks the important day was the boxing match. tj did not know Ian was there, so all in the long run, tj made Ian believe he skip his match and went to save Ian. so now tj holds this against Ian for years, making Ian believe he's the bad influence and tells him to be responsible for it. He's so trash and ppl complain Jo's the one manipulating Ian smh.
pretty much it yeah.
Tj: cause Ian lose his dream, made Ian believe he's the bad influence, had the power to get Ian into therapy but instead sent him to jail and put him in debt so be can tie Ian down with money.
Half of Yall: I can never like Ian, tj deserves better, Ian the problem.
Ian hid himself for years and push his feelings down. Ian wanted a label on his and tj relationship and tj refused. When he could've had a secret official relationship with Ian and/or after he got power in the gang but no. He let Ian take the insults instead. I keep seeing others say tj and Ian have an understanding relationship but THEY DO NOT. Both of them never saw eye to eye and TJ has not once understood Ian because if he did then they wouldn't be in a relationship like this for 19 years
And the way many act as if Ian deserves to be feeling guilty, no, he does not! TJ chose to do that himself, it wasn’t as if Ian wanted him to, hell he doesn’t even want that.
Exactly. Even saying they want see Ian get karma and/or suffer how tj did for him.. like excuse me?? Last I check all this did not happen because of Ian. They expect Ian to obligate to tj. Ridiculous.
Oh yeah and the way many TJ stans claim they don’t romanticize this is funny cause what I’ve been seeing, they’re all about romanticizing what TJ does to Ian, “oh couple goals”, “ they’re lovers”, “this is love,”, etc I’ve seen worse than what I said.
Also the house TJ built is literally a cage. He decided all of that by himself, Ian has no involvement in it. Iirc, TJ said something about Ian living in the house he built and coming back to the house to see Ian every day.
Unless it was mutually agreed upon, this was all decided by TJ. Its not romantic, it is weird.
Me looking at the comments saying how strong and deep their relationship is, but also me reading the new korean chapter. *inserts Ryan Gosling holding back his laughter gif* wait in due time.
hold on now I'm curious......
The chapter is Ian centered with his thoughts (FINALLY). Basically going over how much things changed between them. How he had to hide himself while tj didn't. How whisper of passion is now faded. Even shows Ian getting sponsored for his dream and tj questioning him why instead of be supporting. Ian saying how their dreams and desires became a gap between them. Literally just a doomed relationship. Bit I hot so hard once it's translated
oh finally. like thank god we can have ian thoughts finally because the way people love to completely undermine or straight up erase Ian and his feelings is baffling.
him saying that whisper of passion is now faded is very interesting as well
Ian centered chapters are so important. I absolutely hate how this fandom dismisses Ian and say he's the problem or how tj deserves better when it was tj who made their relationship like that. Ian was ready for a label but tj prefer money and power. I better stop seeing ppl say tj did this money and power for Ian when it was never for Ian but only for himself. What's baffling is that Jason their boss was able see Ian wanted out and to move on but tj, someone close to Ian didn't.
I just know people will still do mental gymnastics to make it seems like everything tj is doing/has done is for ian when it really isn't? and it's not like it's hard to see either
it's like we're not reading the same thing it's so strange to me
and what you just said about Jason is very true
Thank you! I saw the raws and I dislike things at the moment…
And the way TJ keeps claiming Ian as his, saying stuff like how Ian is his, how TJ wants him to think of him only, etc. but NEVER once labels their relationship, and he damn well knows Ian likes him and wants to be exclusive and label.
But he keeps on holding it back and being vague. A label in relationship may not be important for all but it clearly is to Ian.
Let’s also not forget that when Ian was going to do his dream career or something, TJ held him back and wanted to tie him down by his side.
People keep going on about how TJ feels and thinks and his intentions, but barely about Ian.
you basically said everything I've had on my mind for a while now
Their relationship is very complex.
it is, it's complex with a bunch of different virables but I can't stand how disingenuous people can be, overlooking some obviously messed up tj did and not treating ian has a person who has needs and wishes of his own especially
Right! But those stans will never care, they will…pretend to and make their fave out to be a savior.
that's exactly what they will do which is why I'm trying my hardest to not look at comments because it annoys me to a ridiculous degreehssj, you can like a flawed character duh obviously but let's not lie that's all I'm saying or just say you don't care
This is why we should’ve kept the comment section down. :( Idk why but reading comment section ruins my reading story time, the vibes are killed if that makes sense.
oh no I feel you on this 100%. the comment section here soured my reading experience which is silly but yeah it happened lmao, I really should stop reading comments at this point. but I'm glad we seem to be on the same page.
(This is based on the spoiler you put in the thread) this honestly makes sense considering in season 1 Ian said he USED to love Tj before he changed. And also a scene where Tj was sleeping and Ian used to his fingers to cover Tj’s scar. Showing a face he knew before they got into crime.
This is based on my opinion but I really hope the future raws will soon cause the TJ kingdom to kinda topple a bit. I hate how people see Ian and Tj’s relationship as the perfect fit. When Jo and Ian’s are a sign of new beginnings and actual growth to become a better person
So tj literally reveals Ian isn't the bad influence but let's Ian think he is because he likes the trouble look Ian gives him?? So basically tj puts himself and Ian into this mess (not as purposely) but gulits Ian (even years) after it, saying it's for him (Ian). This isn't real deep love, just obsession and infatuation.
Edit: and despite everything he says, feeling guilty of it, it just doesn't stand because he continues to do the things in present day.
Edit 2: Just noticed the flashback here in 56 is also in chapter 8. After Ian mother passes away. Idk kind werid to imply you finally have Ian to yourself "fully in my arms" after his mother pass, even after tj says it's the two of them now, Ian look at him weirdly (ch8) and in the audio drama tj actually say that part happily (his voice actor also confirms it). Tj maybe say he feels slight guilt but the present time and how he used certains things to his advantage with Ian says otherwise
I have a question. On tiktok I see a lot of people say the FL ex cheated on her, I read 4 chapters on webtoon and so far it just look like it's was over gratitude and didn't want disappoint her. 15 chapters isn't alot so I'm afraid start it and want more. If anyone read up to 15, did the ex boyfriend cheat and a jerk?
Look I'm mad at Eunhyuk for ghosting our princess but DAMN the way I giggled and look away as if he was staring at me hehehehehe
I remember telling someone that Ian most likely realized his sexually orientation due to trauma (which is sad and unkind to him) and many got upset with me but looking at this and the raws it 100% possible that's the case that his assault someway influenced his sexuality and it makes me so upset he couldn't realize in a much kinder way.
I feel like many just overlook Ian whole character and thought process on why he does certain things and they just on him with no understanding. I can't wait for the day when we will finally see Ian true thoughts and see his emotional outburst.
Uhm I dont see enough of that to say that his sexuality came from his trauma. Ian definitely has lots of trauma being an ex addict and a murder but I don't think that is the reason he sleeps with men. Ian is definitely promiscuous but I wouldn't say he's hyper sexual or that he uses sex with men to cope. I perceive Ian to just be a gay man who happens to have trauma and I haven't seen anything that would make me believe that if he didn't have that trauma that he would most likely be with a woman. Or maybe I missed a flashback or something???
I definitely feel like that started it though. Time may have changed the intensity of the trauma but I feel that he wouldn’t have had sex if it wasn’t for his trauma from being raped/sa’ed.
I mean unless he is said to be gay before the SA, sure. But I definitely feel like his trauma led him to having sex with TJ and other men. I don’t think his sexuality came from his trauma because I do think he genuinely fell for TJ, but the sleeping around, maybe. It’s not too uncommon for SA victims to react this way.
Ian use to date women, which is why tj never proceed to to deepen their relationship in the beginning and Ian knew of tj feels but never lead with it until after his truma and killing of david. Ian could've been curious about his sexuality before his assault but you can't deny that it didn't somehow contribute to it. I never said he was hyper sexual but yes he does sleep with men to cope, at least with his insomnia which he has confirm to Jo.
Most I got is from the raws but the 2 currently translated flashbacks kinda put some sense to what I read in the raws.
Idk if im missing something but didn't he sleep with men before the rape? He was egging TJ on by asking if he wanted to try it like the others guys did when he was on drugs and TJ was holding him down. Wasnt that before the SA?? And yeah Ian is a little thotty but no more thotty then the average adult man lol straight or gay. I do think he was having a lot of sex during his drug use days but the drugs definitely influenced that.
And I've read the raws but obviously I can't
Understand the raws.
Haha lol no worries. I honestly don’t remember so I can’t say much. If he did sleep before trauma, then this def got nothing to do with his trauma.
Currently from what I remember no he hasn't slept with men before the rape. Him egging tj on was after it which is why he's egging him on because Ian notices the way tj looks at him the way other men look at him. Currently there's no indication he slept with men before the rape at the moment.
Incase yall been wonder it's been 9 since sooae hasn't seen the boys (8yrs since graduation). There was mistake in the manuscript. It's still long as fuck, which is annoying tbh. It feels off for being that long. Be foreal no contact feel ooc for Eunhyuk like he really ghost our girl like that? Fuck off I'm mad.
I think the story will progress quickly and end soon bcs the timeline is been 11 years omg =))) so many things happened or maybe the author will going to explain to each person what going on in their life in the last 11 years and then we'll see the love arc
People acting like Jo is only infatuated with Ian makes me laugh, because no is more infatuated with Ian than tj, even when they first met. Both these leads got that same sensation when they first met Ian. Difference is the time of knowing each other and despite the time of knowing, Jo is able to read Ian more clearly in that short amount of time.
if only i could give this comment a thousand likes
that makes no sense girl tj also knows how to read ian, he's known him since they were teens what does this comment even mean no hate fr
“Difference is the time of knowing each other and despite the time of knowing, Jo is able to read Ian more clearly in that short amount of time.”
Ouch!
An yet he still lack to see want Ian really wants and keeps Ian from achieving it. They knew each other since teens but despite it, their relationship hasn't progressed in years.
lol did you read the story?? tj knows exactly what ian wants, and yeah he did stop him bc he's obsessed but now tj let ian go so idk why you're complaining. again, their relationship hasn't progressed not bc "tj can't see what ian wants" it's bc they literally cannot be together for the reasons mentioned in the story please read my god
tj never let Ian go and he doesn’t plan to anytime soon, now are you sure you're reading the story? If you're talking about him walking away, yeah no, he know Ian will come back to him and he uses that to his advantage. Also he doesn't know exactly what Ian wants and if he did, he seems to not care at all about it. It's a partial reason. The main reason is tj himself being selfish and acting like it's a selfless act and quilting tripping Ian which he confirms himself he's doing.
What are you even talking about. This chapter is about Tj and Ian's relationship before they were messed up by mr Jang and David Kim. I don't know what the hell Jo has to do with any of this.
What makes you think I'm even talking about a certain chapter? This is a comment section and that doesn't equal all comments are even about the newest update. Fyi I read the flashbacks their relationship was mess up due to tj himself as well.
You can tell Ian is very relaxed with Jo but still uneasy regarding how he feels because everything at the moment is so new to him that he doesn't know if he deserves this treatment and if it's bad he enjoys it. Ian deserves so much peace after all his hardship and I hope later on he comes to understand himself and his own feelings more firmly.
Also anyone notice Jo got a boner after one kiss from Ian so he tried to hide it lol, they're so cute.