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Spoil for me please (づ￣ ³￣)づ

If you scroll some few pages down, you'll fine my comment. I've already explained there some spoilers and why I feel the way I felt and still feel.

You'll find my SPOILERS on page 4! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I found it, thank you!! ╮(￣▽￣)╭ After reading the spoilers, I also hope the story takes a different route because wtf

And what you commented. I wholly agreed with you on that as well! Sighs*

thank you. Because people were talking about how 'mature' Kael was and I was like????? This bitch literally k*lled people What do you MEAN too harsh? It was just a demotion too not even harsh punishment, like you can still be with the prince, you just don't get a title or benefits

But also idk if Hestia told Kael about the past or not at that point, but I would be PISSED. Like clearly, Hestia had beef with them prior, outside of the revenge plan for Kael. But Diana also targeted Hestia multiple times and tried to ridicule her and use other nobles to destroy her? Like are we just going to ignore how she treated your wife this entire time?? Even Helios seems to show more concern towards Hestia and how Diana tries to harm her, than Kael does

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!!! AND ALMOST ALL THE IMPORTANT SCENE ARE ALWAYS CUT!!!!

Can you send me the link plssss??

But I'm infuriated a lil bit... Is Caesar gonna take him with that dubious consent again! *sighs*

https://zinchanmanga.net/manga/roses-and-champagne/chapter-75/

Tyy

HE DID FUCKING WHAT!?

Kael loves Hestia that's given and it was partly some miscommunication/misunderstanding but I'm slightly disappointed.

To me... I wanted Kael to choose Hestia over any other person or situation. But he chose to be neutral and save Diana in a way because Helio requested it. And I know he feels nothing for Diana or heli now... But to choose them?? And agree to them and protect the crown over Hestia. My Bruh you should've atleast explained and talked it out with Hestia. That's how I felt. Idk... I'm a little upset. Shouldn't have read the novel chapters or the spoilers. I'm even on my perioddd which makes me more infuriated.

I think it's a good novel.
Because it's realistic.
The writer want to plot the direction of the novel to be as realistic as possible.
It's refreshing to read a satisfying revenge ending in a story.
But that couldn't be applied in reality.
Realistically, there would be consequences that could not be resolved easily for those refreshing revenge ending.

Nah no wayyy kael is a b1tch then! Imagine choosing ur ex over the girl who tried to work for ur ass and made u better lmfao crazy ass b1tch ML i dont like him anymore

Well, you know there were redemptions arcs in the novel.
I like that part a lot.
I'm still looking forward how it would be projected into the manhwa.

Wait what? I read somewhere Helio divorces the pink b

Yes yes... At first Helio was trying to protect the crown but he also tells Diana after the whole incident that he was gonna announce to everyone that she doesn't have her saint powers anymore and she is no longer a saint. Denounce her saintly status of something. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

(To me Helio was sorta still trying to work out their marriage, giving second chances to both himself and Diana in a way). He even tells Diana that he doesn't want a saint only in name because of her powers but he wants her to change for the better and be a better person, the kind of saint even when she doesn't have her powers, people would still look up to her. The one that people would recognize because she's a good human being first. (he says it in his words but I'm just summarizing it in my words) at the end of that all he says that they might find each other back again and that he still finds her the most beautiful and even calls her out because she was LITERALLY CHASING AFTER KAEL even tho she a saint and a married woman. (Gimme a break I just HATE DIANA)

But our unbending, hypocritical, wannabe home wretcher, stupid, pick me, fucking fake ass saint, she just mocks Helio in her thoughts and see where that landed her. SHE ONLY HAS HERSELF TO BLAME.

Good people do bad things sometimes but that doesn't meant they don't change and learn adn strive to be better. In Diana's case she is just a hypocrite. I like evil characters and villainess but I like evil when they really are truly, purely evil and also when their circumstances made them that way. But in DIANA'S case she's a lost cause, stupid, full of herself, blaming everyone but herself and the way she does things. It's hilarious.

"THIS LADY HAS BEEN TO HELL FOR YOU, SHE WOULD BURN THE WORLD FOR YOU, SHE WOULD CHOOSE YOU OVER THE WORLD FOR YOU, SHE WOULD STILL GO BACK IN TIME JUST TO CHOOSE YOU ALL OVER AGAIN & THAT'S HOW YOU DO THINGS?" I know he truly loves Hestia but that's how I felt. (Gosh I feel so immature )

Yes, I understand...its realistic. Like I wholly truly understand why KAEL did the things he did. He didn't want to associate anymore with Heli and Hestia & he's sorta indifferent. But the only thing I wanted was for him to atleast communicate better. It made me feel bad for Hestia, also she is the wife whether it's a contract or nah.
(╯°Д °)╯╧╧ They still developed some sort of feelings. But, him being a little timid and not realising how Hestia would've felt. I felt infuriated somehow cause I wanted that bitch ass Diana to die. Also, I would've been happier, like more satisfied if Helio requested/begged to save Diana both to Hestia and KAEL together. Not him going and requesting Kael and Kael doing it.


And I also understand Hestia sorta needed to get out of being obsessed for revenge. I get that when KAEL himself doesn't want the revenge cause he was the victim in the end. Hestia has sorta no right to pursue kael's revenge for him. She circled her whole life around KAEL and to protect kale, to see him smile, to make him happy just for KAEL to sorta keep her in the dark with the miscommunication annd misunderstanding. & maybe that's why when Kael chose to save Diana without explaining it properly to Hestia. I went bonkers!!


Also, him just sorta doing it (sm3x) with her without even prepping her. I was like.... "okay." "Hestia just gonna take it cause he's her fave character"

I definitely felt like the ending was only like 60% satisfactory. Most of the time the major demographic for this type of story wants an ending that completely crushes the "enemy" but Diana's fate is pretty lackluster. For her to be such a huge part of the story and then she just fades into the background? Maybe if she was the type of person that absolutely reveled and thirsted for all attention to solely be on her would it be a more satisfactory ending. It just feels like she never actually learns her lesson

but what happened btw hestia and kael after this incident? did hestia forgive him? did they have a happy ending? pls spoil me

nah cause i feel u completely. the novel had so many lackluster parts and there was a part where i truly thought kael was a red flag.. like bruh? where did his character development go? i also did not like how even until the end, hestia did not find a reason to keep living and it was always for kaelus.. until the end… hestia basically had like very little to no development. diana fucked off to the temple and no other news from her. we don’t even know if she comes to regret any of her actions. it was good, but the ending was ass. there was so much potential and i felt like it just could’ve been a lot better.

Ikr... I totally agree with you on this. The character development wa 0-none.The story for most part left me so frustrated, unhappy with a lot of mixed feelings. And Kael in a way added to it for me.

It would've been better if Hestia had found to live for herself and happiness instead of always going Kael kael... Cause to me it seemed like hestia would cross the ocean for Kael while kael would only cross the lake. Idk weird analogy... Plus, Heli and Diana... Especially Diana, I don't think she learned anything what so ever or even regretted her actions. That bitch so stuck up she wouldn't ever. （/TДT)/

Sighs* Nevertheless, I'll just say it wasn't a bad read but it got me feeling some type of way so continuing the Manhwa is not for me, until and unless it's completed fully.

nono that ocean and lake analogy is very good! i GET U!! as for the manhwa, it’s already being shown that kaelus is getting affectionate with hestia lot earlier than when he started in the novel. so as for now im kinda just hoping the manhwa will be a lot better. but yeah, to save myself from all da stress, maybe reading it when it’s completed will be a better move…

Yess... And that intimacy part where Kael just shoves his bare DICK it in without prepping her. And Hestia felt PAIN but she eventually just accepted it cause it was her fave character. Idk...
Shesshhh the more I think about it, the more flaws I seem to find! Σ(っ°Д °;)っ

But I'm kinda RELIEVED that I was not the only one who felt this way. It was nice talking to you about it. ヾ(☆▽☆)

my goodness, i absolutely HATED that part. it was so unlike kaelus’ character, like who is this guy?? it just felt so different from what he was like and so unnecessary. ugh.

but yeah!! ik a lot of other ppl also heavily disliked many parts of the novel as well, in regards to kaelus’ actions and the development of certain characters. u r not alone in thinking so lol. it was fun to rant about it!!

Omfg I’m speechless

BROOOOO YOU JUST MADE ME REMEMBER SOMETHING

Soap was invented before lube, so basically people was using their saliva you know to get it ‘wet’ and people did not know what choocie eating was, so people just thought that shoving their Dick in women was just the only thing they could do, so people did not know what a kink was, or what the basic of sexual activity's was, and plus if a women was wet enough they could easily slip in with no lube, and plus lubricants was invented for ‘ women’s who can’t seem to get wet enough ‘ so that way it would would be less painful for those women who couldn’t get wet enough even with a good hook up ( to explain more, what I was tryna say is that woman who have problem with get ‘wet’ even with how horny they are, they can’t seem to get wet enough, so it would be painful for them to have someone to shove their dick or finger in them, even it the person was slowly putting their peepee/finger in ) so uhhhh yeah | IM SO SORRY FOR SUDDEN SEX INFO, I WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS FROM MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER, WHO WAS ALSO TOLD FROM HER MOTHER ABOUT THIS INFORMATION | ( and please excuse the misspelling, or typo

Holy sh1t bro the way am spechless rn this spoilers are insane!!! Especially kael!!! He made me hate him rn !! Never gonna like him again!

Bro ngl kael should have done it better...

And please don’t bash me for wrong information, because I’m only following was my great grandmother told me

Caelus’s choice was not not a matter of him “picking his ex lover” over Hestia. I feel like you don’t really understand his character if you assume that, and I’m not saying that to be rude. I already said this somewhere else, but I will just say it again here:

I have seen so many people with this perspective and I find it hard to understand, but at the same time I can see where you’re coming from. I was genuinely surprised with the amount of people who had an issue with Kaelus and his decision. I am sorry, but it would be inconsistent with his character, who thinks of the Empire as his position as Grand Duke, to do something for a revenge that he wasn’t exactly pursuing himself. It was all Hestia, and Caelus was going along with it. Just because he does not want Diana to be deposed, it means he does not love Hestia? That is such an outrageous claim. Caelus already knew Helios’ and Diana’s relationship was on the rocks, I am sure he knew that they were eventually going to get a divorce, which is why he didn’t do anything. Even then, for him, his happiness is pretending that the two of them don’t exist and living a normal life with Hestia. Why does that make him a bad person? He is nonchalant about their affairs, and so what? He is the one who was hurt by them, not Hestia. It’s his decision about how they end up, and they made it. If anything, Hestia’s crisis over Caelus not wanting some dramatic form of revenge was even more ridiculous to me than him not wanting Diana deposed. He already saw the cracks within the house, it was going to collapse eventually,

Ngl, I agree with you too he could’ve did better

I don’t really understand people who are mad at Caelus when he didn’t particularly desire this revenge in the first place. It was Hestia who was doing everything of accord when the one who was hurt was in fact, Caelus. I think that many people are not really trying to look through the perspective of Caelus and sympathize with Hestia too much. He was the one who was hurt. He is the one who decides how he deals with them. The choice of not having Diana deposed was not to choose his ex unrequited love… No, it was because he was thinking of the Empire and doing his duty as Grand Duke. Caelus says something like this in the novel, that he just wants to be indifferent to them and not care about how Diana and Helios live their life. He knew that they would eventually ruin themselves on their own… To him, the best way to live was not caring about them and living a normal life with Hestia, throwing them away. He does not feel anything for them. Not love, not hatred… But indifference. To me, isn’t that a better kind of revenge, showing the people who did you wrong that you do not care for them and living a happy life on your own by the side of the one you love? That is what Caelus was doing. He didn’t need any grand gesture of revenge in order to feel satisfied. I do not think we should only think of Hestia, and Hestia’s revenge. Because she was not the one who almost killed herself because of them. Caelus is the victim here. We need to take Caelus into account and try to see through his perspective instead of blaming him for doing something we didn’t like.

Omg I thought that my first comment didn’t send so I wrote another. Oops.

Oh wait I completely get you and what you’re thinking now. I agree with you. I wanted Diana to suffer a bit more, but, oh well.

also need this confirmation lol i want the gratification of Kael realizing his mistakes and how much he hurt Hes and for Hes to not just immediately forgive and simp for him.

I read a spoiler but idk if i recall it correctly or if it was this particular arc that it happened where Hes stood over the balcony and contemplated going back to her world, and Kael panicked thinking she meant to jump because of what he did.

can anyone confirm what happens after Hes finds out pleaseeee

I totally understand where you are coming from! But you know that disappointment when you are expecting something and something else happens! It's exactly that. Majority were expecting to kael to stand in Hestia's side or at least talk with Hestia as to why he supported Diana. Boi didn't do any of these. And people feel more bad at this instance because as reader we know Hestia saw Kael's death in her last life (which kael doesn't know) and when she is doing everything she could for Kael, he comes out supporting the reason for his death(again, kael doesn't know). So as a reader, we feel disappointed because of what we are shown and not because we think from this or that's POV. but when you think from kael's POV, he doesn't want revenge because simply doesn't want to get associated emotionally any more than he already had. Hestia wants revenge because of what she has seen and gone through..

Ok so here's my issue y'all. I agree that Hestia is too obsessed with Kael and getting revenge for him and that Kael should be the one who decides whether or not he wants revenge. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE KINGDOM????? Are you seriously telling me that allowing Diana to hold the empress seat is good for the empire and the people in it??? She breeds resentment towards the lower class and increases class division. Instead of trying to boost the local economy or trade with other nations, she kneecaps it (in fact that comment about giving the soap away for free is literally how you destroy jobs and an economic sector). If others don't follow her strange code of morals and principles, she ostracizes them and uses her power against them. She's pretty much Mother Theresa (also a well-documented horrible person- who was hella hypocritical and only helped those she deemed 'worthy'). Also, in chapter 9 it talks about how after Diana became the crown princess she stopped helping people with her saintess powers. So despite having the power to save people, she purposely didn't (unless they had some sort of direct connection or benefit to her ie. the king). Honestly, this is probably one of the reasons why Hestia is so fixated on revenge because Diana indirectly caused her death by refusing to provide her with life-saving treatment (because she was 'too busy' having her bland-ass tea parties). Finally, when her powers started to waver/disappear, she hid them and put the king's life in harm's way (if she was a doctor, I would go for her license because wtf). This b*tch is DANGEROUS. Sure Kael can ignore her and 'take the mature route' of not dethroning her but that's only because IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT HIM. What about all the commoners and empire citizens who suffer under her?? Idc if you no longer have beef, she's an absolute menace to the kingdom, how can Kael claim to care about the kingdom and then allow her to stay on the throne?!

PREACHHHH!! SIGHS* in the end it's just infuriating. That's the story.

gotta love how the comment section turned from spoilers to s3x education 101 this is why I love reading comments

Same. I don't feel any hate for him whatsoever. The way I see it, he was just doing his job, which he's clearly good at. He wouldn't make it far otherwise. He has made lots of enemies too so that's no easy feat surviving. I also can't really say for the MC as his family was murdered in front of him so I don't take how he feels from him. I am detached from both of them and would gladly eat up however this story goes. This is why it's exciting for me.