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Ch.11 Seungho hit Nakyum and wanted to punish him.

You are right. The events undolfed between 11 and 13.

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yes, yes and yes.

Also, as much as I enjoy seeing mostly Seungho's POV, I'd really like to have more insight into Nakyum and his thoughts now. But probably will have to wait for that a bit longer

I don't think we will have to wait for that. Nakyum is traumatised. Everytime he will try to draw will remind him of Seungho and he will be scared to make even a dot. Even his own reflection is making him scared because of Seungho.

For now Nakyum's mind will be full of Seungho and not in the best way.

Um...

It’s because of persons like you that people started to complain about the author skills. We can’t blame the author fot drawing prettily the characters but bc of your r4pe fetishism it feels weird to see NK during those scenes.

Dis donc, je ne te savais pas comme ça
C'est clair que le visage et les expressions involontaires dans ces moments même horribles sont très lascives et érotiques. Pauvre garçon, cela rend le Lord encore plus dingue de lui.

It seems people like to read what they want.

First, I don't have a rape fetish. As an artist, I like to analyse every bit of drawing of the author and it appeared to me that the author switched Seungho's sadism button to the Max by drawing Nakyum like that.

Deuxièmement, je pense que MangaSanctuary a bien compris ce que je voulais dire par là. C'est un peu le paradoxe depuis le chapitre précédent et c'est pour cela que Seungho a bandé dans le chapitre precedent et était très excité ce chapitre.

I think I'm a pretty sane person. It's okay dear.

Are you serious!? Are you really trying to understand what I'm talking about or are you so enveloped in your tiny bubble you just want to read so much between the lines?

Advocating rape fetishization? Blaming the author? Perpetuating rape culture!? So, it's forbidden in this world to say how I feel about what I've seen.

I don't know if I need to laugh at what you said like a mad woman or simply knock my head so hard I could have fountain of blood gushing out of my head.

I don't like this kind of debate as I don't want to dive into the self-righteous standpoint thinking they know other people better. That's why I won't answer your question. Think whatever you want and enjoy the ride.*hugs and kisses*

I will just translate what I said in French:
There is a paradoxal situation. That's why Seungho has a boner in the previous chapter (clingy Nakyum and the face) and is excited this chapter.

Now sorry if you thought my "dear" was a way to mock you because it wasn't. I wanted to point it out because it seems you didn't take it well, writing it twice and the first being in capital letters.

How can we know that you read french very well since there's no way to guess you're also a French speaking person?
Though if you did, you'd guess that this discussion went too far.

Did you ever read the previous posts/Spoilers Sakata Ginko shared about POTN? If you did and is not new to that manwha, then you must know that she's not a rape apologist or accuses Byeonduck of anything, in the contrary her analysis of this work is always well thoughts and appreciated by this POTN community.
In this post precisely, she'd fangirled too much and got all this backlash.
I think those extrem reactions/backlash of some readers is what hinder me to express sometimes my thoughts about a work.

Like me she's an artist, I don't know if she draws as well, but to me this artstyle is beyond beautiful and the intend of the author to show a luscious and erotic Nakyum in this chapter is obvious.
In few repetitive images, NK is shown like this and anyone can tell it (even if they knows nothing about art etc...), telling this is not true is just denying facts.
Byeonduck perfectly knows how to convey emotions through her characters, this is Author-Nim's strongest point and she doesn't hesitate to convey each emotions/traits that appears in each character even during such terrible situation (rape).
So even if it may sound horrible to people, I'm not even surprised that a Fujoshi would scream such thing here.

Despite being raped and forced to deepthroat and swallow Seungho's (the rapist) semen, NK is still shown like this - like he's still feeling so much for Seungho. His expressions, eyes, mouth, blushes, lascive pose... He's completely owned by the Lord (image of Seungho's fingers on his tongue at the end of the BJ was the climax of that...).
He's shown in a very sexual wayant like he's also in debauchery himself.
I felt uncomfortable honestly, seeing this, knowing he's forced tougroughly to do the act.
This is a pure intention of the Author to show their interaction like this.
I'd say that despite such violence between them, their sexual chemistry is still intact like it was always be -demonstrated when they had sex the first time as NK mistook Seungho as In Hun.

People are writing tons of theories and react to that work because there is still more to say and see than simple pretty images, and of course because of the story and characters.

Sorry to know that your family members and friends went through all this, but I wonder (genuinely) why you read a genre like Yaoi where rape occurs so much, and where most most of the time no one will give a care (to begin with the Uke himself).
Not the case of POTN though.
When people are fangirling, and even when they do about a rape scene, I doubt they know about the life of someone like you, think of it or want to think about it. It's harsh to hear, but this is just facts. I doubt they do support rape too.
Rape is a horrible thing, though talking about people's real life isn't the purpose of these sites.
Again, because even if it's discutable let's not forget that these are works of fiction where readers come here to escape from reality or read some forbidden love stories about men.

Yes, I couldn't care less because my mindset for this manhwa is different from what I use in real life or any other comics/books I've read in my entire life. I wouldn't go out of my house and scream 'Someone rape that girl' or turn a blind eye when someone comes to me and says 'I was raped'. And you seem focused on overanalysing what I said. I won't neither excuse nor correct myself for that.

I said in the title I want to slap myself for that and funny fact after posting it I really slapped myself hard and left a tiny bruise.

And I also have my fair share of bad things I and some people close by me live with (so much that I had killing thoughts at some point). You know what? The world sucks like it is beautiful and we live with it day by day. We want to achieve something by living and that's the beauty of it. I'm happy with what I have right now and my past scars makes me a stronger person. I don't feel the need to say what may or may not be insensitive here. I've done it before and I don't want to do it anymore, period.

I'm just here to enjoy the manhwa and speak my mind about it even if I come as insensitive. I will never try to justify or surgarcoat it and I'm pretty okay with that. And I won't deal with my real life issues here.

Well, guess again you just read what you wanted to and fit me into a description that suits your tastes.
We will continue talking about PotN and you can stay with whatever you think about me as we don't know each other. That seems fair. And I will take the last sentence as a 'good luck charm'

It seems you're quick to judge people based on your own experiences and presumptions.
I can't help but roll my eyes on the things you presume without thinking too much about what I wrote; you're entitled to your own opinion.
If you had read me well, I said that the way Author-Nim drew Nakyum so erotic in these panels (after the forced bj) made me feel UNCOMFORTABLE. Where can you see in these words I wrote rape apologism or someone "who can't help but love Seungho because he's so hot" etc... Don't make me say what I never say!

Sakata Ginko had made some interesting remarks about NK's teary looks and why Seungho feels attracted to him even more for that, and I find necessary to explain that point to you guys. Cause you're -sorry but yes- so blinded by your SJW "sense of justice" that you can't even see the obvious.

Not only NK is drawn purposely sexy and lascive even after such forced sex, but he looks even younger; this reinforce his submissive and naive side. Compared to Seungho he looks like an abused child, almost like a willing sex slave and this is even more dis turning. If you can't even see all these sensual expressions he made after the BJ, then there's nothing to get from you.
That Author perfectly knows what they are doing.

Reading and judginge a work solely based on your limited criterias isn't really appreciating a work for what it is.

Merci de m'avoir défendu MS. Mais c'est une cause perdue. Je déteste discuter avec des personnes qui pensent connaitre les autres, tout savoir de la vie et les jugent derrière leur clavier. Ça ne mène à rien et ça donne l'impression de parler à un mur. Je préfère qu'on passe à autre chose.

Bien entendu, mais je voulais principalement discuter de ce point que tu soulèves concernant NK ; je sais bien que tu sais parfaitement te défendre et j'ai vu ta lassitude.
Ensuite, j'ai parlé pour me défendre car elle a commencé à dire n'importe quoi.

Dès que je le pourrais et avant le prochain raw, j'aimerais faire un topic parlant de Nakyum et de ses expressions (chap28), je voulais mais j'ai finalement parlé d'autre chose. Est-il encore permis de parler de l'histoire et de ce que l'on ressent sans rameuter une bande de sjw qui pensent devoir être là pour défendre une cause et détenir le monopole de la morale ?
Quelle arrogance ! En plus on parle d'un noble, Seungho !

Bref... bonne journée

I’ve got the same feeling~ that smth might be wrong with his health. They even joked about it once~ and sometimes I think that he might be secretly in love with our main guy, for quite a long time~

Reading your comments is always a pleasure :) I laughed a lot, and nodded agreeing with what you've said. Thank you!

You are welcome. I like to spice up things with my own imagination. I can write tons about this webtoon because the characters are delightful.

If you had posted this shit on reddit, i would have sent you gold coins

I meant to upvote
Couldn't agree more

Me too

Omg SAME!!!!

SAMEEE

same

Same!!!

Well said! I always thought Seungho is way too sadistic for him to actually fall in love. It wouldn’t suit him or the story, i agree that he is just obsessed with Nakyum in some sort of way.