yeonmin can't even refute this coz he doesn't know that the ML is the boss, so he is genuinely concerned about jeopardizing his job, like a good person. And ML, up yours.
how are you THIS dumb? This man had a sad thing happen to him, for which he abused you and molested you as a child, for YEARS. He KILLED the wolf, sparked war that has claimed COUNTLESS lives. Your husband could be dead at this very moment due to this man, and the people of the kingdom that has been good to you all things considered HAVE NOT killed him as a part of the treaty, they are only sending him back to his home country, where he will get the death penalty his deserves this time for causing war.
and louie's reply is 'but that man cried a few times, and was sad a few times, so he shouldn't die for his crimes. I KNOW, let me sacrifice my most loyal hand, and use the feelings of another man who loves me to save his worthless hide, and bring more war to my kingdom for not keeping the peace treaty'. The first prince may have sparked the war, but louie is now consciously choosing not to end this war. In reality its already so much that this kingdom didn't immediately kill louie, they wouldn't need any justification, but they treated him so well, all things considered.
This is so BULLSHIT! Why do mangas do this!? You don't have to be a good guy and a good main character by being the paragon of virtue who forgives those who commit evil against them. Show me louie being guilty and conflicted, but going through with it anyway because it is just punishment. THAT would be interesting. DON'T show me how louie is simply an angel, can do no wrong, see no wrong being done.
so he was treating her badly, but now she's full blown cheating on him. With his brother. Who he hates and doesn't want near him, but she forced ML to hire.
As a FL, she is meek and naive, but not a pushover, and doesn't cause misunderstandings. I love her character so much. Also coz the ML is already perfect, nothing else needs to be said about it
I'm shipping you with Coco coz you two know each other well and get along great, so please don't fall for, or become the 2nd ML for the FL. Its fine to keep admiring her platonically.
Imagine a story where a FL is dating a guy, and supporting him, loving him etc in every way she can. She knows of an old grudge the bf has against another guy (ML), who is very popular and has a bunch of girls swooning over him, but she doesn't care. She loves her bf the most. But then the bf belittles her for her rank. The FL decides she's had enough of being sniped at and decides to end things with her bf due to this and gets with the ML instead. In this situation, the FL is cheered and lauded by the readers, coz why should she stay in a situation where she is treated so shit? She will instead get with the handsome ML, and be the envy of all the girls around, and girlboss everywhere. The ex-bf then gets angry and vows revenge for her "betrayal", completely forgetting his own mistreatment of her.
This is the exact situation in the latest chapter, just with the genders swapped. The FL is the cruel and ignorant ex-bf character here, and yet everyone hates the Grand duke guy. Just some food for thought.
It's one thing to leave her, he dated (and eventually married) the person he knows is actively antagonizes her. She, thankfully, doesn't know that he's doing that to gain status among the ranks for her. Which we, the reader, know.
The Duke is still shit because he's being cruel behind the scenes and even verbally abuses the ex-FL for what's really his own gain (this last chapter shows what flipped that switch and why he claims he'll get our current FL back once he gets the position he wants).
The Duke is not innocent and she's traumatized from being played. Everyone is against her and 2-3 guys left her for the same person that was supposed to be her best friend.
Following up with an addition to what I said earlier: re-read chapters 22-23. Like the ex-FL, he's a little shit who wants what others have and used to antagonize the current emperor
i'm looking at the scene in isolation. he didn't do any of these things before she belittled him did he?
He did. Go to chapter 22
i can see she flirted with him. What did he do?
I think you're mistaken when you say it's the same situation. Yes, MC was cruel in mentioning her boyfriend's rank, but she did it because it was reality. Neither of them had the power to stop the gossip. She didn't act superior either, and even said that they were the same.
I also think that comparing his betrayal to the same thing as dumping an arrogant partner is weird. He didn't dump her because she was arrogant. She didn't treat him like shit either. She showed him twice how bad her mental state was after being betrayal so many times, so he decided to betrayal her again. What human being with even an ounce of empathy does this?
Of course I understand that it was a "necessary" part of his plan and that he was "doing it all for her" (at least one can conclude that that's what he told himself), but I really think it was just an excuse. I think he's a bad person who just needed an excuse for himself to reach out for the crown. Besides, why didn't he say anything to MC? Because he knew she wouldn't want it or did what she wanted no longer matter? He is the villain here not because he is a guy, and in a story with reversed genders he would be idolized, but because he never even tried to explain himself to MC or apologize for emotional blow he dealt her. If any FL in any novel decided that she would betray her "beloved" by hurting him over and over again for years, people would eat her alive.The only explanation could be that 1) she had no choice and could not explain herself (he had years to do it and no one stopped him), 2) they were not yet lovers when she started her plan but she intends to confess everything at the next favorable opportunity (MC was his girlfriend to whom he confessed his love and he still had plenty of time to at least give some sign of his plan.), 3) she would feel like shit all the time (which is not reflected in the Duke's behavior).
Also in the situation you described, FL leaves her partner and finds a better one, while the duke intends to return to our MC when he achieves his goal and he doesn't even realistically think about the fact that MC might not want to come back to him because he hurt her too much. I don't know if you've read "Remarried Empress", but there the antagonist had very similar assumptions about the Empress. I think Duke is closer to that antagonist in his behavior than in the situation you described.
I agree with you, all i'm saying is with a little more perspective the duke can be conceived to be a seriously hurt person whose actions are designed to either hurt fl back or win her back, she doesn't know. And neither do we, conclusively. I'm not saying his actions were right, but I can see the driving force behind his actions were fl's words. Not saying that we need to root for this guy, and all his actions after were justifiable, but he isn't a 2-d character anymore. We can be sympathetic towards his actions.
You be sympathetic yourself
but that was very cruel of the FL. She sent the black hair dude down this path herself, and then thinks he betrayed her.
God forbid she have emotions, was it cruel? Ofc but everyday for her is constant negativity because of fake bestie, she's paranoid she's tired she's just had enough so a moment of being cruel got him thinking "wow I'll make her happy by betraying her exactly as she feared and being king and we'll be happy again when i shut everyone up!" Real thinker he is
Tldr: one bad moment shouldn't define her after years of hurt
we have no perspective from him. And one bad moment is sufficient to ruin a lot of what you work for in a relationship. I get that she was having a bad moment and feeling negative, she could've screamed, yelled, cried, said "you don't understand the things you're talking about", but it is a very below the belt thing to do to attack him personally for his status. Cruelly cutting him down is not the way. And if you do it, apologize IMMEDIATELY. She didn't. She just sees him betraying her by going for the ogFL.
That is not acceptable behaviour due to a bad moment. It was also low of him to go for the bestie who torments the FL, but i see that as him being just as cruel to her as she was to him. It doesn't justify years of him being with, and then eventually marrying the ogFL. But like I said, he is aiming to oust the crown prince, just as she suggested in her anger. All i'm saying is she is just as much at fault for their relationship falling apart.
also, he isn't the one hurting her, he was supporting her in every way possible only to get his rank thrown in his face. Can't blame him for hating her after that. But all we see is him trying to be the emperor just like she asked him to.
She's cruel??? For just stating that they're both powerless against the rumors?
All she said was that they both can't change anything because they're extras.
You're acting like she broke up with him, abandoned him, and married their best friend/enemy with no explanation-- oh wait, that was him who did that, wasn't it? Who's the cruel one here?
I don't care if the ex-bf has an explanation, or that he did all this so they could be together. Leaving her like that with no communication and getting together with the girl who was making her life miserable is much crueler than what FL just told him.
Like, in real life, if your bf/gf just said that "we can't do anything about the rumors because we're just average middle class citizens, if you were president maybe you could do something" you'd find that crueler than them breaking up with you and marrying the person you hate the most!???
At the end of the day he did betray her. Whatever his intentions may be he still abandoned her to marry the fl.
lol, this is just a different perspective i guess. Every one has a different standard of what would hurt them, and I think hearing FL's words from someone i do my best to support would do a number on me, so much so that I would feel a bit vindictive. To clarify, don't judge this moment by his later actions, coz i'm not saying he was right marry her nemesis. Take this moment in isolation. And from his perspective.
This girl that he's dating , who he encourages, was quite cruelly highlighting the lowliness of his position. She didn't say
"they won't listen to people like us, they'll only listen to someone as powerful as the emperor"
what she said was
"you're just a little viscount, who doesn't even have enough clout as I, a duke's daughter have. When you're lower than me, don't expect yourself to be heard. Maybe if you one day rise to be an emperor."
There's a massive difference in the meaning and implication here. She was cutting and taunting ("maybe someday if you're emperor they'll listen?" is clearly sarcastic).
If a teenage boy listens to that, and is massively hurt by that, what is he supposed to do? I know that i would wish to hurt back the person who hurt me in such an unprovoked and terrible way.
Now I don't know his motivation, like I said, we don't have his perspective. Is he doing this to actually rise to the position she asked him to? Or is it to hurt her by marrying the girl she hates? Or is it actually to torment the ogFL, making her do his dirty work for her, because he knows she's using some underhanded methods? Who knows? And maybe you still disagree with my take here. I think that the first person POV here is making us not evaluate the FL objectively, which is what it's supposed to do.
bro I ain't reading allat. rather, I'm skimming and it kinda just looks like you've got a lot of negative overthinking about FL's intentions and a low-key aura of some self-projection onto the ex-bf rather than an objective take on what actually happened tbh.
Ye
i'm not the one lacking an objective take, if you bothered to contemplate the story or read my comment you'd know. You are the one who can't look at it objectively coz all you choose to see are the fl's woes
both of the leads suck.
First, she deliberately ignores and insults her childhood friend ML, based of some hearsay rumours. And btw, she's the only one to do among all his other friends, that's because she worries more about her reputation than she does about her friend's possible suffering due to the rumours.
They both had consensual sex (iirc), and its while she was the one harassing the ML sexually. And then the FL proceeds to be just as oblivious about her treatment of him as a friend, and continues by ghosting him. If a ML ghosted a FL after sex there would be pitchforks in the chat, and the ML would be the red flag.
And then there's the actual ML. He is a great friend, but a terrible partner. He was a shitty virgin, not letting up when she said it hurt. And now instead of apologizing for being rough, he is thoroughly blissful thinking he did nothing wrong. Though at this moment his behaviour is more excusable, it being both their first times. But her behaviour in general is worse
btw, if i have some of my facts wrong here, its because reading this story is headache inducing, and i couldn't be bothered to go back and re-read.
ur pretty much right except he does acknowledge the fact he might’ve been too rough on her and wants to apologize.
that makes her even worse than what i wrote. He's quick to acknowledge his faults, and his mistakes are due to lack of experience. She is only now catching on to the fact that for the last couple of years her behaviour towards him has been deplorable.
I love the MC. He isn't a copy paste uke like so many others, with no actual personality, characteristics, or motivations, and are used as self-inserts by most authors. He is bright, cheerful, brave and very mature. It is nice to see that when MC has suffered a lot due to his circumstances, he has learned to handle himself in a crisis, instead of needing to be rescued like almost all other MCs (either physically or financially).
When the ML clarifies he doesn't want to date the MC, and doesn't have feelings for him, the MC understands, like an ADULT, and chooses to continue the relationship, happy with their current status quo.
Usually miscommunication is incredibly frustrating to read, coz it feels like manufactured drama. But here it isn't, coz it is very much in character, and so far they've communicated the important facts that the other person ought to know, in the light of their workplace issues. The only miscommunication here is about their thoughts on what the other person wants out of the relationship, and that is easily solved
The problem is that Seonwoo is built different from other normal humans lmao. Who goes to restaurants and gives close mouthed kisses to their boyfriends instead of going at it like rabbits 24/7?!? What a bunch of virgin losers ಠ︵ಠ
agreed, lol. Btw, nice username
Genshin fan or Furry enthusiast? Only those two people comment on my id, lmao.
genshin player lol. who's your main?
Not a player. Furrina was a roman goddess of springs and story-telling. I have had this id since 2005 lmao.
Before Genshin, people would think I am a "proud furry" fml
ooh, i see. i apologize for my misconception, lol. All my knowledge of greek and roman gods comes from percy jackson, and furrina isn't mentioned there. Good name indeed, filters out the uneducated like me
Not uneducated at all. She was pretty niche even during the Roman era, and I only know of her because I came across her while researching for my Lupin/Snape fanfiction.
She was the goddess of being chill af, so she is my goddess as well lmao.
Kinda glad she is finally getting her due recognition thanks to Genshin.
good to know, and now i'm really curious about the fanfic. And yeah, genshin does do its research of cultures for each region. Btw, great pick of god, mine would be hypnos. I picked poseidon for username coz he seemed stronger, but as a lazy person, i love sleep too much
That's a part of my dark abandoned pass but u xan check Furrina on ao3. It was abandoned, btw.
we all got our demons. I'll probably check it out once i finish my exams