BeepBopp December 8, 2020 7:28 pm

Ugh this story would be so much better if Ane didn't love Akitora. And if Rogi didn't rape Akitora's son years later.

I mean, the story is still interesting as i want to know what happened, but the romance part is just disgusting. Also, i will never undererstand this kind of "i love 2 people" stories. And then his son gets raped ... Wasn't the romance part bad enough with the parent story, author brings rape to the child story.

Btw unrelated to this manga. Does anyone remember if Tatsuyuki(Akitora's kid) lost his anal virginity to the guy doing massages? Lmao i cant remember how far it went with them.

    Morphine December 9, 2020 2:53 am

    Massage guy just used fingers.

BeepBopp December 7, 2020 5:27 am

I just finished the 1st season of the anime. And now im wondering, will Shirayaki actually feels something for Obi at one point?
Or will he try to make a move (anything that goes beyond friendship) on her ? For example at the end of the 1st season he was about to hold her hand.

I need to mentally prepare because these kind of stuff triggers me. When the MC has 2 love interest or when they like 1 person but let someone else do stuff that goes beyond friendship.

    Riven January 2, 2021 4:49 am

    I don’t think so. Both of them love Zen too much.

    Riven January 2, 2021 4:50 am

    Oh just reread your thing, yeah nothing much happens in the anime other than hints of Obi thinking about her but I haven’t even seen that in a long time.

    Riven January 2, 2021 4:50 am
    Oh just reread your thing, yeah nothing much happens in the anime other than hints of Obi thinking about her but I haven’t even seen that in a long time. Riven

    I meant manga, sorry for all the comments!

    BeepBopp January 2, 2021 5:32 am
    I meant manga, sorry for all the comments! Riven

    I see thats good. And dont worry about making multiple comments!

    So based on what you said, it's never said explicitly that Obi likes her??? It's just small hints but the story never goes on that topic?

    stupidthinker January 2, 2021 10:28 am
    I see thats good. And dont worry about making multiple comments!So based on what you said, it's never said explicitly that Obi likes her??? It's just small hints but the story never goes on that topic? BeepBopp

    Actually in the manga he had admitted it to Zen, but he never intended to do anything with his feelings since he also loved Zen and was too loyal to him.

    BeepBopp January 2, 2021 8:36 pm
    Actually in the manga he had admitted it to Zen, but he never intended to do anything with his feelings since he also loved Zen and was too loyal to him. stupidthinker

    Do you mean he loves Zen the same way he loves Shirayuki lmao? If not you should say he likes Zen to avoid confusion xD

    Well as i said inmy previous comment. He did try to hold her hand at the end of season 1 in the anime. I know its not a big deal but it sure does show he did try to act on his feelings wether or not he did it intentionally

    stupidthinker January 3, 2021 10:47 am
    Do you mean he loves Zen the same way he loves Shirayuki lmao? If not you should say he likes Zen to avoid confusion xDWell as i said inmy previous comment. He did try to hold her hand at the end of season 1 in... BeepBopp

    I say that because I feel like if Zen were a woman he might love him even more than Shirayuki, since the moments where his heart skips a beat because of Zen is a little bit more than it is with Shirayuki lol I know you've mentioned it, but what I meant is he confirmed that himself with Zen (although I forgot the words he used, but he's implying it).

    BeepBopp January 4, 2021 7:32 am
    I say that because I feel like if Zen were a woman he might love him even more than Shirayuki, since the moments where his heart skips a beat because of Zen is a little bit more than it is with Shirayuki lol I... stupidthinker

    I just mentionned holding hands because you said he dont act on his feelings. Which i find strange since he did it before. So i think it's strange that he never did it again without even confessing.

    O-shāna February 6, 2021 5:25 pm

    Yup, he loves zen for loyalty not romantically. They respect each other for loving shirayuki the same way.

    O-shāna February 6, 2021 5:45 pm
    Yup, he loves zen for loyalty not romantically. They respect each other for loving shirayuki the same way. O-shāna

    If you want to check out the talk with zen and obi (its vol. 12 ch.58-59).

BeepBopp December 5, 2020 7:05 pm

The way Masato flirts(idk if flirts fits here but whatever) with iku and the way Naru flirts with Masato is just so weird.

I know they arent serious and they are all friends but...thats just not how you should behave when you or your friend are dating someone already.

And it doesn't feel like a joke when they are acting like it's normal. (If it was done only to have a good laugh it wouldn't be the same)

It's not a big deal but it still feels weird and a bit annoying.

    kyouran December 6, 2020 6:58 am

    I see it differently. For me, it's one of the aspects of the story I adore, because it shows that their friendship is rooted in trust, that it is a very deep and special friendship. Neither Asahi nor Yusuke feel threatened with the flirting because they know it's joking around to get a rise out of them. They get annoyed but not threatened. That's what trust looks like, trust in their partner and trust in their friend, as it should be. That's what true friendship is. I have that in my personal life and have witnessed it with others. I understand it may not be the case for everyone, especially because it can also be a cultural thing, because that type of comfort requires a certain level of trust, maturity and sophistication.

    BeepBopp December 6, 2020 8:30 am
    I see it differently. For me, it's one of the aspects of the story I adore, because it shows that their friendship is rooted in trust, that it is a very deep and special friendship. Neither Asahi nor Yusuke fee... kyouran

    Ok but you do realize Naru kissed Masato at one point...

    And i get it it's not serious stuff but it still feels weird. Naru is just totally flirting with Masato(and i cant take it lightly since the kiss scene). And Masato had a thing for Iku so it's weird as well.

    It's like if you have a boyfriend and he flirts with a friend of his(girl). Oh and btw he bad a crush on her some months ago. BUT DONT WORRY, its only to annoy her current boyfriend that he flirts with her. I know what Masato is very little and it's not a big deal at all (Naru's kiss was really more triggering) but it still feels wrong to me.

    As you said, it's a difference in culture, completely. But i believe most people would agree with me and that's why i feel like this is unatural.

    Peach December 6, 2020 10:18 am
    I see it differently. For me, it's one of the aspects of the story I adore, because it shows that their friendship is rooted in trust, that it is a very deep and special friendship. Neither Asahi nor Yusuke fee... kyouran

    Nah it's just straight up weird. Also its not that deep lmao

    Peach December 6, 2020 10:19 am
    I see it differently. For me, it's one of the aspects of the story I adore, because it shows that their friendship is rooted in trust, that it is a very deep and special friendship. Neither Asahi nor Yusuke fee... kyouran

    Kissing your friend while in a relationship with someone else is wrong, not 'cute' or 'sophisticated' or 'mature' lmao

    Demia December 6, 2020 11:24 am
    I see it differently. For me, it's one of the aspects of the story I adore, because it shows that their friendship is rooted in trust, that it is a very deep and special friendship. Neither Asahi nor Yusuke fee... kyouran

    I'm with you(▰˘◡˘▰)

    pennyinheaven December 6, 2020 12:03 pm
    Kissing your friend while in a relationship with someone else is wrong, not 'cute' or 'sophisticated' or 'mature' lmao Peach

    That was before when the couples were being immature and kept dodging the truth and their feelings. Now they have matured and have now built trust.

    Peach December 6, 2020 1:39 pm
    That was before when the couples were being immature and kept dodging the truth and their feelings. Now they have matured and have now built trust. pennyinheaven

    And still flirt with eachother? Ok

    kyouran December 6, 2020 3:18 pm
    Nah it's just straight up weird. Also its not that deep lmao Peach

    There's actually thematic depth in this story. I wouldn't say this transcends the genre, but it's not the typical yaoi fluff either. Themes of childhood trauma, emotional trauma, betrayal, coming out, difficulty with emotional commitment, friendship, strong support systems and all the nuances they entail are all explored here which makes this story rich and complex. You are wrong in thinking there's no profundity to find here. Your inability to recognize this is definitely your loss.

    kyouran December 6, 2020 3:24 pm
    And still flirt with eachother? Ok Peach

    Your lack of understanding about something does not define that something. If humanity understood that fundamental truth, we wouldn't have to deal with so much destructive prejudices.

    kyouran December 6, 2020 3:38 pm
    Ok but you do realize Naru kissed Masato at one point...And i get it it's not serious stuff but it still feels weird. Naru is just totally flirting with Masato(and i cant take it lightly since the kiss scene). ... BeepBopp

    It is ok if you don't feel comfortable with something for you not to do it, but that doesn't mean others are wrong if they, unlike you, feel comfortable doing something. The lesson to take from here is that being judgemental is never ok. Just because we don't agree with something, or something is not culturally familiar to us does not make that something wrong; it just makes it different. Also, saying your position has merit because most people would agree with you is a flawed argument. For example, someone can say that homosexuality is wrong and that their opinion is valid because most people would agree with them, which is correct in that most human beings are homophobic, but anyone with an ethical conscience understands that that is fundamentally wrong. Eventhough the majority of humans agree that homosexuality is wrong, in this case, the majority is wrong.

    min_nad December 6, 2020 4:13 pm
    I see it differently. For me, it's one of the aspects of the story I adore, because it shows that their friendship is rooted in trust, that it is a very deep and special friendship. Neither Asahi nor Yusuke fee... kyouran

    Same here

    min_nad December 6, 2020 4:15 pm

    I kind of do the same with my friends? I "flirt" shamelessly with them, but it's a purely platonic thing, I'd never broke their relationship or do it in an uncomfortable way

    pennyinheaven December 6, 2020 5:25 pm
    And still flirt with eachother? Ok Peach

    What's exactly wrong with flirting?! All the parties are well aware they are just teasing each other, for fun. They are now all secured with their respective partners. They have all moved on with their issues with each other because they are now more open with their feelings. I don't know if your perspective is coming from being conservative, naive or insecure (if you see yourself in the characters' shoes) but the dynamic of the characters' friendship is that they like to tease each other. They have grown from taking such banters seriously and be seriously jealous and threatened.
    Plus, Ikuo (?) and Asahi, the ones teased the most, have great relationships with Masato and Naru. They are reliable friends/confidant that the former trust them a lot.

    Peach December 6, 2020 5:35 pm
    What's exactly wrong with flirting?! All the parties are well aware they are just teasing each other, for fun. They are now all secured with their respective partners. They have all moved on with their issues w... pennyinheaven

    Aşağı doesn't like it, and they know that, and they still do it

    Peach December 6, 2020 5:35 pm
    Aşağı doesn't like it, and they know that, and they still do it Peach

    Aşağı

    Peach December 6, 2020 5:35 pm
    Aşağı Peach

    Asahi*

    pennyinheaven December 6, 2020 6:08 pm
    Aşağı doesn't like it, and they know that, and they still do it Peach

    Proof? If he truly doesn't like it and cannot tolerate it, he would've already hit Naru or Masato, broken or fucked all his relations with Naru (including their business related stuff) or broken off with Masato. And even if he was painstakingly enduring all of it, Asahi and Masato's relationship will never be as lovey dovey as they are right now. And they would never have been with Masato's mother. Asahi's issues are relating to his family and self-worth, not with Masato and Naru.

    BeepBopp December 6, 2020 6:20 pm
    It is ok if you don't feel comfortable with something for you not to do it, but that doesn't mean others are wrong if they, unlike you, feel comfortable doing something. The lesson to take from here is that bei... kyouran

    I wasn't saying that because (i believe) other agrees with me, means im right. I said that i believe most people would believe that the way Masato/Naru act is not something they'd do. And because i feel the general opinion agree, it looks like an unnatural acts.

    For example, if its a fact that 99.9% of Japan's population is homophobic, then it feels weird if in a manga, the whole highschool where the story takes place, are people accepting of it. IT IS POSSIBLE, IT IS NOT WRONG, but it's weird

    I might have made a type or maybe you misunderstood me, but i meant to say that it feels wrong FOR ME to way Masato and Naru acts. As in, if i did that i would feel like i did something wrong. But i dont classify it as something wrong for others. BUT i think it is weird that they dont think the same. Because i believe my way thinking about this is pretty much the same for most cultures.

    Peach December 6, 2020 9:43 pm
    Proof? If he truly doesn't like it and cannot tolerate it, he would've already hit Naru or Masato, broken or fucked all his relations with Naru (including their business related stuff) or broken off with Masato... pennyinheaven

    He truly doesn't like it, but not enough to break off his years of friendship with Mary, obviously

    Peach December 6, 2020 9:43 pm
    He truly doesn't like it, but not enough to break off his years of friendship with Mary, obviously Peach

    Naru*

    min_nad December 7, 2020 5:33 am
    He truly doesn't like it, but not enough to break off his years of friendship with Mary, obviously Peach

    I don't think so? I've never seen him saying that

    Peach December 7, 2020 7:54 am
    I don't think so? I've never seen him saying that min_nad

    There's something called expressions that show more feelings than words

    pennyinheaven December 7, 2020 3:10 pm
    He truly doesn't like it, but not enough to break off his years of friendship with Mary, obviously Peach

    Sure they don't like it, both Asahi and Ikuo, but its exactly the point why they are being teased, they are cute whenever they react. But even if they don't like it, it doesn't mean they are offended and threatened. That's what friendship is, they know which buttons to press and not to press. Naru can flirt with Masato because he knows that's not what will hurt Asahi. Rather the word defective strikes Asahi where it actually hurts and immediately called Asahi out because he knew Asahi got triggered with the word.

    BeepBopp December 7, 2020 11:48 pm
    Sure they don't like it, both Asahi and Ikuo, but its exactly the point why they are being teased, they are cute whenever they react. But even if they don't like it, it doesn't mean they are offended and threat... pennyinheaven

    I know you arent talking to me but ill just make something clear about my comments.

    I think it's alright to do what they are doing. As long as everyone is happy and comfortable with it, everything is fine really.

    It's just that i find it weird that they are actually ok and comfortable with it. Like in another manga, the uke actually lets his bestfriend french kiss him. (He was surprised about the tongue but he was just like "omg why you put the tongue??" And continued his day as if everything was normal and they even did other stuff that was intimate but both of them only saw each other as friends).

    Sometimes author brings "weird" behavior like that and it 's bothering me. Naru actually kissed Masato and it was really no big deal for any of them. Once again, it's not bad as in if they are all okay about it, good for them, but i find it weird and irritatimg as a reader.

BeepBopp November 29, 2020 3:53 am

Wow this chapter made me realize we dont know how yu yang met his best friend. I hope we get to see that too!

BeepBopp November 25, 2020 7:40 am

I'm confused as fuck. So Alpha needs to have sex often because otherwise their pheromones becomes toxic or did i misunderstand??

This story is so weird because of the seme's hardcore mood swings and the real explanation would probably be a personality disorder but obviously he gonna pull a "i loved the uke but didnt realised it" or something like that. Like, he most likely like the uke right since the begining (why else would he actually consider giving 5% of his company to make him come back) AND YET he treated the uke like trash after the sexual assault. And he keeps being nice then BOOM "get away from me".

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    Eve November 25, 2020 8:13 am

    To how I see it is because keith's irregular rut is making his pheromones toxic to his body because he has yet to officially settle down is what causing him some memory loss. Yeonwoo was a beta but became an omega after being saved by Keith (which makes me conclude that yeonwoo is keith's fated pair). When yeonwoo entered the room to thanked Keith for saving him Keith thinking yeonwoo was a woman and smelling him is what made him become the way he is (well partially, he was into woman not guys and their pheromones cause them that awful encounter. Plus in later chapters when Keith talks about his male omega mother to yeonwoo, even though it wasn't say or implied, i think the reason is also due to his mother's life?) That's what I think anyways.

BeepBopp November 24, 2020 8:22 pm

Im confused. How did the driver get the camera footage if it was already taken by someone else??

    Lee Minjae November 24, 2020 8:25 pm

    The camera footage of the building where the car was parked was taken by that man but the nearby convenience store camera caught it which the driver/uke got it...

    lishalisha November 24, 2020 8:26 pm

    it's from a convenience store security camera, not from the car park

    Boogiepop November 24, 2020 8:26 pm

    they imply that he went to a convenience store across the road to see if their camera caught anything in the parking lot of the fancy place where it happened. this is because how theyre designed means that security cameras will capture an entire street even if its owned by one residence/store etc. that meant if he couldn't get footage from the party place he could try somewhere nearby.

    BeepBopp November 25, 2020 7:25 pm

    Thank you all!! I didnt realise he got the footage from somewhere else. This is why comment sections are important xD

BeepBopp November 23, 2020 1:28 am

At least we didn't get the "he is bad because sad childhood" overused cliché but i was hoping Chowon would be a selfish character that grows better instead of a unstable person. Still much better than many other manga for dodging the cliché.

BeepBopp November 22, 2020 4:55 pm

The story of the book about the wife that does. Is it supposed to represent the MC and his mom's story?

Also just to make sure but Chagang didnt love the seme, right? Seme loved Chagang but it was one sided, right?

Oh and wild guess but could it be that Jungmoo(MC bestfriend)'s uncle killed Chagang because Chagang was cheating on him? (Idk why else the video of Chagang x Moonyuk would be a key element to Chagang death)

And i'm still confused about the MC. I understand he lost himself and is trying to become Chagang as his new self. But how did he even come to fall for the seme to begin with ??? Also why the hell did he choose to become Chagang ?? (Barely knows him)

Also MC said he wants his feelings for the seme and/or the seme's feelings towards him to be of real love the same as his father. But i didnt understand that part, anyone care to explain?

    Hina-chii November 22, 2020 6:07 pm

    The uke(yeonjin) love the seme(moonhyuk) and is saying he wants to be chagang's(since he looks like him) substitute and the seme (moonhyuk) should give him love like he give to chagang(another uke) that's why he said even if it's fake love or its fake something like that and he's hoping that his father's affair was genuine and that it could be like that for the both of them(moonhyuk and yeonjin) , to sum it up the uke loves the seme. I think you should re-read the manhwa so you could understand it better. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

    Hina-chii November 22, 2020 6:09 pm

    Chagang and moonhyuk was in a relationship but as we all know he died.

    BeepBopp November 22, 2020 10:16 pm
    The uke(yeonjin) love the seme(moonhyuk) and is saying he wants to be chagang's(since he looks like him) substitute and the seme (moonhyuk) should give him love like he give to chagang(another uke) that's why h... Hina-chii

    Ok but why is he saying it's okay if its fake love AND THEN he hopes its genuine like his father's affair. That's a big ass contradiction.

    Also the MC and seme didn't even knew each other before, did they? So it's kind of weird the MC buys the seme and then poof he is inlove, or maybe i miss a chapter and they have met before??

    BeepBopp November 22, 2020 10:18 pm
    Chagang and moonhyuk was in a relationship but as we all know he died. Hina-chii

    But Chagang was also sleeping with Jungmoo (MC's bestfriend's uncle). So it seems Chagang and Moonhuk were only fuck buddy.

    Hina-chii December 4, 2020 3:15 pm
    But Chagang was also sleeping with Jungmoo (MC's bestfriend's uncle). So it seems Chagang and Moonhuk were only fuck buddy. BeepBopp

    Well i guess it's a one sided relationship ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Hina-chii December 4, 2020 3:24 pm
    Ok but why is he saying it's okay if its fake love AND THEN he hopes its genuine like his father's affair. That's a big ass contradiction.Also the MC and seme didn't even knew each other before, did they? So it... BeepBopp

    For me, i see it as yeonjin saying it as an assurance to his self that even if it's just a fake relationship he is welling to be with moonhyuk and he's hoping that even if a little moonhyuk would have a bit of a feelings for him and his father's affair, he's kinda thinking if it's genuine and if it is he hope that him and moonhyuk would be like that too, i think yeonjin knows about moonhyuk? Since he said that even if chagang was dead he was still competing for moonhyuk(since we all know that he can't let go of the past) i think there's a panel mentioning yeonjin liking moonhyuk?(I'm not quite sure though) ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

BeepBopp November 21, 2020 8:12 am

I'm still confused why we never got a proper backstory for the uke and his ex. Did the uke really gave up on acting and ran away because his ex said "he ain't that good in bed"(or something like that) ???? Im so confused....

    xtroiax November 23, 2020 8:54 pm

    It was not just his ex. He felt bad because same partners where talking about how good he was in bed so everyone knows and talk about it. His boyfriend just say it was a boring conversation. He should stopped them, get mad or whatever.

    BeepBopp November 24, 2020 2:14 am
    It was not just his ex. He felt bad because same partners where talking about how good he was in bed so everyone knows and talk about it. His boyfriend just say it was a boring conversation. He should stopped t... xtroiax

    It still feels weird he ran away because of that. Unless he didn't consider them as friends. Also his BF didnt really something bad, there was no reason for the boyfriend to throw a fit either.

    But lets say the MC didnt care much about any of them, then why did he even accept to eat with them when he saw them at the cinema? Like.....it's not hard to say.

    sonnyphar November 24, 2020 10:42 pm

    Actually the author explained the different reasons why Seunghyun stopped acting in the special chapter

BeepBopp November 20, 2020 7:40 am

The uke personality was cliché to a point it was a annoying. And ofc it's quite sad for the second seme.

The story wasn't bad but it wasnt that good either. Pretty basic. Good art, good sex, sexy characters.

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